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[Karnage]

Vote Count 3.1

Datisi (1) ~

skitter30,

skitter30 (1) ~

Datisi

Not voting (3) ~

clidd, Maduisha, word321,

With 5 alive it's 3 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-04-14 08:00:00)

V/LA:

• skitter30 - Fridays and Saturdays; Thur Apr 9th - Sat Apr 11th.

[word321]

Im quite surprised nobody got suspicious of him.

I did after he forced Malakittens to claim. But right now I feel that I was being frustrated because I personally think that's a bad play if he's town.

While I believe it is rly wise to not let frustration influence ones actions, its existence cannot be in objectivities way; the questions one should be doing is "does he fits as scum?". Of course, if u arrived despite all that at the conclusion he is more town than scum, then that is completely fine.

[Maduisha]

To expand on my read on mara and datisi:
Every interaction they had was a simple interation. They did interact during D1, but the objectives were clear and the development was few. Now, mara being mara that is no surprise with everyone and all; but the interactions wouldnt rule out a partnership.

Then, you have posts like 450, 618, 886 (with the added bonus of 872) and 1216, on day 1, all of wich deal with dat but in an indirect way, unanimously defending him in some way or another (mostly from skitter, but from trq too) or inquiring about him in the last post on clidd.

Then we have the introduction of Day 2, where he began giving this 180 turn; his vision in day 1, represented by 1061 and 1068, shifted radically on 1264, and even though datisi was nominally present on the list, he didnt make sense with everyone at the time. This is also the last time we hear about him on Day 2, except for a brief but important interaction on 1411.

On top of that, it seems to me mara liked to play with wifoms, specially on day 2; his change of attitude regarding skitter, clidd and me, even mad at some point are akin to trying to someone shining light in some direction, trying to hide the other. This is specially notorious with clidd and me at his last post.

This is all from an ISO, so I may have lost something there.
I havent rly analysed datisi on detail yet. The only notorious thing I have now is, mara was his first vote (hey, that's statistically relevant at least)


Now, on the case of clidd with mara, it is kind of self explanatory by itself. clidd had a weird attitude with mara the whole day 2, and it didnt exactly began with the mason thing, but with his reanalysis of him, wich would have potentially steered the whole town in another unfortunate direction. On top of that, we have the mason thin, wich as Ive explained before, had means, motivation and background to do as scum. He also pointed towards the SE slots on Day 1 and 2. In his defence is his first analysis on Mara, wich later manifested on an intention to lynch; it wouldnt make a lot of sense on day 1, but in this context it is more plausible of a bus, cause it came when the wagon was already formed.

What I get from this is that Marashu tried to play with expectations before his lynch and basically tried to associate himself with everyone, correct? And also, I remember he pushed Skitter all D1 for weak reasons, until the end of it when we switched to GWu and he suddenly said Skitter isn't that suspicious. We pointed out at the time that it felt fake, but I don't know if it felt like that because he can't act, or because he was deliberately trying for us to associate him with Skitter once he flipped later on...

The part about Clidd is partially what made me paranoid in my last posts before N2, because not only did he make an anti-town play, he found Marashu scummy and was content with his lynch D1, then switched to defense D2 after making an analysis on him, then voted him only when Malakittens cleared herself as mason. It fueled my paranoia quite a bit, but like... the rest of his posts felt town to me. It certainly is a possibility, but I think it's unlikely. I have to ask myself why would scum!Clidd make a huge effort to townread his partner if he isn't going to be able to convince others not to vote him. I mean, unless he actually believed he could, but I don't think so.

[Maduisha]

As for Marashu's mentions of Datisi... I think he used him as a tangent to keep talking about how Skitter is scum because she tunneled Datisi. I don't feel like he was trying to defend Datisi or something.

[skitter30]

nearly all of the datisi/mara interactions are on the datisi side imo

[Maduisha]

I mean, from the ones mentioned:

450:

Spoiler:

i think i'm going to ignore pressure as best as i can

Dat's explosion aside, I find skitt's interaction around this post interesting. Skitt asks whether or not to apply pressure, then asks if Dat needs a chance to towntell, then puts on pressure while Dat is exploding, then unvotes to remove pressure.

@clidd: last I saw you had a townlean on Wu. Why are you suddenly cautious about him specifically?

@trq: why is your entire case on dat is based on joke votes and other games? Especially after you pushed to move away from joke votes. Has anything else from this game stood out?

He's using Datisi to talk bad about Skitter.

618:

Spoiler:

Dat's explosion aside, I find skitt's interaction around this post interesting. Skitt asks whether or not to apply pressure, then asks if Dat needs a chance to towntell, then puts on pressure while Dat is exploding, then unvotes to remove pressure.

ok, and what do you take away from this?
does it affect ur read on me?

At the time I posted that, my take-away from that was that you wanted to put some pressure but not so much that, if Dat is town and you are scum, you would be able to say that you weren't pushing that hard. But now that I've re-read it, I can kinda see that you might have just been easing off so you aren't tunneling. I don't want to TL you yet (there is something I noticed that I want to see if it continues), but I'm not reading you as scummy as I was when I posted that.

I keep asking questions of clidd because I'm worried that there's not enough suspicion or discussion about him. He obviously is putting together his thoughts pretty carefully (which isn't necessarily a scumtell, but makes it hard to spot a scumtell). I'm worried that he might be using previous game experience to pocket Mad (595 specifically). I don't see Wu's line of reasoning as being a "weird degree of paranoia" - Wu was even defending you in 204 and I don't think you would miss that.

Right now I am town reading Mad and Wu. I feel like Wu is making plays that are in line with someone who doesn't know the answers but is trying to reason them out. If clidd is mafia then I'm pretty sure that Wu is not (if you two are and that's why Wu was defending clidd and why clidd it townleaning while maintaining a bit of distance, well played). As for Mad, I like the way she is following up with things going on to make sure they don't slip by.

I was town reading TRQ at first, but I'm starting to have doubts. I feel like TRQ might be tunneling Dat.

I don't know if TRQ is telling the truth, but I do think that TRQ is serious. I don't know why any other townie would claim that, and it's stupid (but welcome) for mafia to claim that. Only the other mason (and probably the mafia) would know for sure if TRQ is telling the truth,

and roughly as many people would know if TRQ is lying.

generalwu's post made me notice this again. notably absent from this list of people who would know the truth of my claim if i was serious is any other pr that is in the game.

Do you think I was trying to fish out PRs? One or two players, and probably the mafia, would know for sure if you are lying. I now see that it was a meme post, but I meant what I said at the time. Not having read the full game you posted and only having read the first post, I thought it was some sort of weird new meta, hence why I said I didn't like it. Anyway, I made a mistake, it made me look scummy, but if my mistake got the game moving, I'm ok with getting my hands dirty (though I'd prefer if we could use that to lynch mafia tonight)

Here I'd say he's doing a bit of both. Both trying to push the idea that Datisi is town and Skitter is scum. Also saying TRQ is tunneling Datisi, so this might be seen as defending him, maybe...?

886 breaks for some reason when I try to quote it whole in spoiler tags, so I'll quote it in pieces:

Spoiler:

First, skitt seems to be posting a lot of unneccessary "I don't knows" (or other variants). Some of them make sense (like when she is saying she doesn't know what someone else is trying to say and is asking for clarification), but even ignoring some of the posts as we were coming out of RVS, there are still quite a few of these already (examples in spoiler tag):

A lot of these were about Dat, which to me is indicative of wanting to have enough reason to vote for Dat but display enough uncertainty if Dat flips town (which from what I'm seeing is probably what would happen).

Second,

In post 722, skitter30 wrote:
like i feel like you're being rather elliptical and non-commital

I think this is exactly what skitt is doing, so it's interesting that she's calling TRQ out on it. I think her claim to be sitting back in this one could be a sign that she's willing to jump in where people make cases but be ready to back out so it doesn't look bad or gain town cred by appearing moderate and wanting to force out more discussion. As for her case on Dat, that brings us to my third point.

Third,
Skitt's the one who started the train on Dat. The initial reason was pretty vague,

In post 179, skitter30 wrote:
because you feel weird and feel like you're just kinda like ~around~ and trying to seem active without actually doing anything, if that makes sense

As she stayed on the train she was pretty non-commital. To me it looked like Mena was applying the pressure while she was staying at arm's distance.

Fourth, like I addressed before (and kinda related to the above) was the way that skitt was interacting with Dat when the Dat push was happening. At the time I thought it was suspicious, but then I started to doubt myself. Now I'm feeling like I should trust my instincts - I think it's less likely that she was trying to keep from tunneling and more likely that she was trying to gain some early towncred.

Here he's mentioning Datisi, but to push Skitter, at least that's all I see there. I think the bit saying "if Datisi flips town" is a way to position himself in the case that Datisi were to be lynched, he'd be in the grounds to push Skitter as a chain lynch of sorts, which would make less sense now that we know Marashu is scum, but this strat doesn't work unless they're both town.

872, from Datisi:

Spoiler:

I'm also looking forward to marashu's skitter case.

I think this interaction is NAI, because does scum!Datisi think town is going to sheep the main scumread slot when he cases Skitter...?

1216:

Spoiler:

I suggest taking a look at the interaction between Skitter and Menalque throughout the game and describing your impression on the transition between them voting together until the current division into two separate wagons. Of course, nothing too circumspect, stay objective.

Seconded.

clidd, about your stance change on Dat, is it because you went back to check for meta consistency, is it PoE, or is it because scum!Wu -> town!Datisi?

In this one, he's trying to link Gwu's alignment to Datisi's, but Gwu was on his way to getting lynched and Marashu knew he was town. Doesn't it look like he's trying to incriminate Datisi more than anything? It's probable that he's playing with wifom in all these, I don't know.

1061 is just some dialogue between them, I see nothing.

1068, I'm only quoting the relevant fragment, not the whole thing:

Spoiler:

I don't think Mena is scum because of how he pivoted the wagon away from me. I also don't think Dat/Wu scumpair makes sense -

I think Wu flipping mafia would mostly clear Dat

. I wouldn't be surprised to see skitt as mafia as I said before. I guess I have a null read on clidd? Like, I still want to suspect him because his posts are very erudite and I think if we don't scrutinize what he says he might just lead the town with his analyses. I think Mad and TRQ are town, and I've been liking word's posts so word is probably town. Scum is probably somewhere in skitt, Wu, Dat (but not Dat/Wu), clidd.

I know before I said scum!clidd -> town!Wu

, but I'm also thinking that scum!Wu->town!clidd (after an early TL on Wu, I think clidd would have tried to come up with an analysis on why Wu is still town rather than bussing Wu this early).

In this one, I think he's trying to imply town GeneralWu means scum Datisi and scum Clidd are open, which again feels like he's trying to make us jump for associations. Since he knew GWu was going to flip green, doesn't it look like he's pushing Datisi into a hole? Or maybe the point he wanted to drive home is "Datisi-GWu are not scum". I really don't know what to think of this bit, honestly.

1264:

Spoiler:

Wow, ok, the day's just starting and I'm already L-2.

I have a reason for thinking that I was wrong about skitt and that she is town. Also, Mena pivoting from town to town as scum doesn't make sense to me either so Mala is probably town as well. So that means the scum has to be in {clidd, Dat, Mad, word}.

I don't like how Mad jumped onto my wagon right away today. On D1 she jumped from Wu to me back to Wu, but then Mena was talking about how she was super town because of that. I know we can't ask him, but can anyone else explain how that action is town?

clidd/Mad and clidd/word make sense to me. so does Dat/Mad but less so. clidd/Dat doesn't make too much sense to me (clidd clearing Dat was based on Wu being scum, and with that pairing both know that Wu would be town). The dynamic between Dat/Mad on D1 and again today doesn't feel like they would be a team. Dat/word and Mad/word are possible - I don't remember much interaction there of note so I think I'd need to review that.

This is when he does the weird shift about Skitter, which seems to me that he was aware that he was making her look bad, since he was already scumread and likely to be flipped D2. He also pushes Clidd for the second time, and argues Datisi cannot be scum because he doesn't fit as my partner or Clidd's partner.

And finally, 1411:

Spoiler:

@Dat, you voted Mala to get that conversation going, but you haven't put on any pressure besides that. Where are you going with it?

This one is just random pressure at Datisi right before he was going to get lynched, this time for good.

My conclusion is: He's either very bad at hiding the fact that he's trying to protect Datisi, very bad at trying to hide that he's bussing with Skitter, or

actually trying to frame them both at once

.

[Maduisha]

I don't know what you guys will think. I'm sorry it took so long, I had to wrestle with formatting because sometimes quoted comments that contain spoilers break the whole thing if you put them into another spoiler.

[Maduisha]

The quotes are all the ones Word came with, I haven't re-checked Marashu's ISO myself yet.

[Maduisha]

Just checked his ISO searching "Dat" and what Word brought seems to be the only actual content, since the rest of messages are small references to him near RVS. So, yeah, what Word brought is all there is to be scrutinized between them.

[word321]

I mostly agree with ur read on the commentaries, but with a few notes:

a) Most of the commentaries he made on day 1 were early, previous to a real wagon; it's still a real possibility he began wifoming from way back, but it would be weird to completely change ur wifomin strategy on day 2, when he stopped the previous one.

b)By 1068, Gws wagon was a big deal already, but was still one of 2 choices (it began forming on 997, clidds shift began on 1067, my shift began on 1055), so he may be trying at that point to add info value on the lynch of GW instead of his, trying to associate her alignment to other players, and may be more of a self preserving intent. Either way, he only mentions one way of the implication (but it would implicate one way or another the other, yes).

c) I tried searching the context of 1216, and the datisi change of view goes back to 928, clidds first analysis on datisi. he has I blv 2 posts in between, and had plenty of opportunities to comment on that, but decided to do that at the end of the day, and once gw was the designated lynch at the time.

d) And on 1411, it may be a try to give more room to a mala lynch that day, wich as I see it, was on the mind of datisi, at least when he talked to me that day.

[clidd]

Hello, I'm at home now.

Reading soon.

[clidd]

First of all, I would like to ask Miss Malakittens for forgiveness and praise her for her bravery and wisdom in not sentencing me to death, even though she had reasons for that. I believe that because of the collaboration and information she gave us, it was possible to determine that Marashu was, in fact, one of the criminals responsible for the murder of TeamRocketQueen. However, we have not yet finalized the case. There is the second and last criminal who, unlike his partner, was the likely architect of targeting and guidance behind Marashu's actions. And, obviously, the killer of Malakittens.

VOTE: datisi

I guess.

VOTE: skitter30

Though I ask nobody else votes and we also take our time today. Groovy? Groovy.

At the moment, I am inclined to think that scum is between Skitter and Datisi, especially because of the way in which these two crossed votes occurred. Part of this was also due to the theory I stressed earlier, that there is, as a rule, at least one SE from the scum alignment, precisely because this individual was able to correctly deduce that TRQ was not bluffing, something that Scum!Maduisha and Scum!Word would perhaps be able to theorize, but they would very likely retreat when deciding on NK. As Menalque (SE) was a mason, the logic I am using at the moment necessarily points to one of the two remaining SEs as the last scum.

Datisi~Skitter, Preflip:

Spoiler:

datisi has actively entered my scumpool i think

datisi do you think scum!you can mislynch me?

datisi do you think scum!you can mislynch me?

in this game, i think if we entered a 1v1 it would be up in the air on who would die. but also i'm not scum.

{mala}
{madu}
{clidd, word}
{} - null
{datisi}
{mara}

this is my solve ^

oh, i'll also add an intent to hammer. we have 3 now.

datisi do you think scum!you can mislynch me?

in this game, i think if we entered a 1v1 it would be up in the air on who would die. but also i'm not scum.

ok

i think you in an ideal universe want to push me/mara but don't think you can actually make that lynch happen so you're dancing around committing instead

or, oooor, i don't have a single fucking clue what is going on in this game anymore and therefore it would be p stupid to commit to something.

i don't think we'll have any useful conversation today anyway. if ya wanna chat about something, i'm down. if not, you can hammer whenever.

it's basically the exact same kind of language i was using in tm when i was trying to keep rc lynchable but chickened out of actually pushing him

i can hammer now or wait for the (sleeping) people in Europe to say last thoughts and hammer in (my) morning; I'll def be around before deadline

i don't think we'll have any useful conversation today anyway. if ya wanna chat about something, i'm down. if not, you can hammer whenever.

i guess like, idk
i don't know where i'd be going wrong if i'm wrong

mala is town

madui is just town af
word's whole thing around the mason was townie
so was clidd's even if i disagree with it

so i'm just left with you/mara

i'll take that as a compliment saying you think i can play scum as well as you. also i love the "sleeping" in brackets.

you said it yourself, madu/clidd/word are town. do you not have doubts on them? is this just a PoE thing where we're both gonna fall into tearing each other apart?

pedit: actual fucking lol.

i'll take that as a compliment saying you think i can play scum as well as you. also i love the "sleeping" in brackets.

you said it yourself, madu/clidd/word are town. do you not have doubts on them? is this just a PoE thing where we're both gonna fall into tearing each other apart?

pedit: actual fucking lol.

well sleeping since i know you're in Europe too but you said you're down for hammer

and you're behaving the same sort of way around me that i was around rc there

i don't really have doubts on the three of them, no. maybe on word but on balance i think the way he handled knowing who the mason was was townie

so i'm just kinda left with you
and in that context there's a few things that are kinda pinging me when i look at your iso

tbh the more this game is advancing the more i feel like we're being pushed into just closing our eyes and lynching mara/skit/dats in whatever order.

you wanna talk about ~the pings~?

VOTE: marashu

I feel that Skitter had a stronger, more decisive and proactive stance in relation to the events that had occurred. While Datisi showed an excessively insecure stance and with the absence of expressive reads. I feel that there was a little victimism in the Datisi 's pov too, mainly due to the hesitancy to speculate on a possible resolution for the game. This seems to have intensified even more today, because Skitter voted in advance, already with a clear line of reasoning in mind, making Datisi only react to the vote.

Reactions after my analysis in post 1414 about the possibility of Marashu being town:

Spoiler:

ok that is a case and a half and i'm not sure if i have the needed amount of wakefulness to fully soak it in right now

my question right now being: who do you think

is

scum then?

When I typed in my post 1370, I was beginning to wonder if there would be additional circumstances that could influence Marashu's quality of play, so that I could understand whether it fit the profile of lurking-scum or busy-struggling. My pre-analysis in post 928 about him did not take into account that he would have an alibi or motivation to play in such way, so unconsciously the image of '' laziness '' and '' apathy '' came to my mind before getting access to the personal information he released in post 1372, which cleared my mind regarding this icy stance.

1372 can be true as either alignment
the fact that he's busy irl doesn't condemn him, nor does it absolve him

the problem is that when he *is* here his posting quality is quite bad

The fact that he searches for this information in his memory reflects a transparency that hardly an expert Newbie!Scum would have the talent to emulate. If he chose to lie, there would be a brief description of recent activities that are affecting his time, but he would not go into detail about it. So it would be a half-truth. What happened here, however, demonstrated a convincing and extremely atypical degree of sincerity, something that a profile of an active Scum!Lurker doesn't have.

this is like the easiest thing for scum to lie about
heck, they don't even need to lie about it, it can quite easily be truth

again, i believe it's the truth. it doesn't change, once again, that his posts are bad when he *is* here

Obviously, the natural way would be to lose interest immediately due to the additional stress of having to play as a scum, as this implies having to deceive others and act in a biased way, something that many people, especially newbies and former players who have had experience with the theme but are only returning now, feel uncomfortable being forced to perform. I'm sure we wouldn't see Scum!Marashu dragging on so far, keeping in mind that he would be the main lynch of the day.

it's literally nai. this is no reason to absolve him.
again, *all of this can be true* and he can be too busy to play as town and explaining why, and having a posting history that matches
or, *all of this can be true* and he can be too busy to play as scum, and explaining why, and having a posting history that matches
or he can be scum and using his personal life as an excuse to avoid posting

like any of these are possibilities, and none of this is ai ^^^

and this is why the main points i raised against him way back when were largely *not* activity based

do you have reasons to townread him that are not irl based that could just as well apply if he's scum?

do you have reasons to townread him that are not irl based that could just as well apply if he's scum?

sorry ignore this i hadn't fully gotten to the rest of the post yet ^

clidd is very firmly town

i very much agree

where are you with the rest of the game skit?

Datisi asked who I thought was scum, but at no time did he directly interact with the information I had posted. Skitter, on the other hand, made a few comments and then came to the conclusion that I would be town, getting Datisi to agree with him too. Looking from this angle, I believe that the questioning instance of Skitter is less sporadic compared to Datisi.

In particular, I believe that Scum!Datisi played wrong here. There would be a chance for him to convince me that Skitter was scum, because that was what I theorized as a moderately stronger possibility in post 1635. Going back there, there is the dialogue:

Spoiler:

The biggest problem I had with my analysis of Marashu was Menalque, because of his movement of wagons in D1. With this recent revelation, I am inclined to think that the following slots are lock-town:

Maduisha, Word.

Three suspects remaining:

Marashu, Skitter and Datisi

--> Two are scums and I believe that

Marashu + Skitter/Datisi

makes more sense than

Skitter + Datisi

. That's my resolution for this game.

If you consider yourself town,

Datisi

, the scumteam might be

Skitter + Marashu

for you.

i do consider myself town, but i kindaaa don't think skit/mara makes too much sense?

We will win without difficulty if we follow this. I'm just pissed that I spent 3 hours debating why Marashu is town for nothing, but now all the pieces fit together.

VOTE: Marashu

i do consider myself town, but i kindaaa don't think skit/mara makes too much sense?

Marashu + Datisi makes sense to you ?

i do consider myself town, but i kindaaa don't think skit/mara makes too much sense?

Marashu + Datisi makes sense to you ?

funney joke, obviously not. one of your premises would have to be wrong then.

I was expecting more support from you, Datisi.

you're asking me to right here right now commit to the exact scumteam. i agree on lynching Mara today. if he flips red we can sort this out tomorrow. if he's green the team's obviously not it.

Why was your response careful ?

the fucked up thing is i was basically deadass considering word/clidd as town, madu as 99% town. now that mala is confirmed town either the team actually is exavtly mara/skit (which doesn't make complete sense) or one of my earlier townreads are wrong, and i got no clue which.

pedit: this, basically. my gamestate view got hit.

I don't see the pseudo-confusion in your head. Things seem pretty clear to me.

me/mala - conftown to myself

clidd/word/madu - strong townreads

skitter/marashu - PoE, but them being partnered doesn't completely make sense to me

do you see that it's not adding up?

He basically should have automatically reason after my post that by PoE Skitter was a potential scum. But he denies that, saying that there is an incompatibility between Skitter + Marashu. And in fact, there is: the D1 hardbuss. Skitter would have to be able to hardbuss his partner D1 in a newbie game to qualify her slot as scum. And even though he didn't necessarily think there was a cohesion between Skitter and Marashu, Datisi reacted to the vote today instantly.



Well, this is not an analysis, but a simplistic note of the impressions I had between these two slots. I don't see such a need to go into detail, because the

Marashu + Datisi

solution seems more plausible than

Marashu + Skitter

. I intend to reread more carefully to determine if, perhaps, there was an error in my reasoning before making my final vote.

[clidd]

By the way, good reviews, Word and Maduisha.

[clidd]

Oh, plus:

If we extend until Saturday and Sunday, I will have time to make a complete analysis of all the players and clarify the smallest details I used to infer the Marashu + Datisi partnership and also explain why other possibilities are not possible in the scenario we are in now. If you guys are patient with me, of course.

[Datisi]

ok. i see how this day ends. i'll try to give you advice for final 3 but don't expect much because i'm aware how shit my play has been this game and i don't want te be deadsheeped if i'm wrong. more when it's not 2 am and when i gather the energy for this game. cheers.

[skitter30]

Skitter would have to be able to hardbuss his partner D1 in a newbie game to qualify her slot as scum.

No offense but i think that even considering my slot as scum with mara after day1 is quite ridiculous

(Not to you in particular but like in general. I'm kinda baffled how people can even read me as a potential partner)

[skitter30]

ok. i see how this day ends. i'll try to give you advice for final 3 but don't expect much because i'm aware how shit my play has been this game and i don't want te be deadsheeped if i'm wrong. more when it's not 2 am and when i gather the energy for this game. cheers.

Also sorry <3

[Datisi]

no worries. i'm a bit cranky becuase i don't sleep well. no hard feelings on anyone here. <3

[Maduisha]

In particular, I believe that Scum!Datisi played wrong here. There would be a chance for him to convince me that Skitter was scum, because that was what I theorized as a moderately stronger possibility in post 1635.

Is it me, or does it sound like scum!Datisi would have, in fact, taken advantage of your position in that post to direct you to Skitter instead of being vocal against it? Honestly, the more I look at it, the more I feel they're both town...

That or Datisi is scum but did not plan to frame Skitter, but I also don't see an attempt of his to push anyone but Malakittens. And if according to your theory, Clidd, the SE directed the NK of TRQ because they realized the masonry super early, doesn't it feel dumb that Datisi would push Malakittens if he knew lynching them was impossible? If Datisi is scum and is trying to mislead us, what's his plan?

[Maduisha]

And of course, I'm okay with waiting (both addressed to Clidd and Datisi).

[skitter30]

Is it me, or does it sound like scum!Datisi would have, in fact, taken advantage of your position in that post to direct you to Skitter instead of being vocal against it? Honestly, the more I look at it, the more I feel they're both town...

I think he didnt want to commit to pushing me because he thinks he's probably going to lose the 1v1

[skitter30]

That or Datisi is scum but did not plan to frame Skitter, but I also don't see an attempt of his to push anyone but Malakittens. And if according to your theory, Clidd, the SE directed the NK of TRQ because they realized the masonry super early, doesn't it feel dumb that Datisi would push Malakittens if he knew lynching them was impossible? If Datisi is scum and is trying to mislead us, what's his plan?

Thats actually a good point. Its possible he didnt think mala was the other mason

[Maduisha]

Is it me, or does it sound like scum!Datisi would have, in fact, taken advantage of your position in that post to direct you to Skitter instead of being vocal against it? Honestly, the more I look at it, the more I feel they're both town...

I think he didnt want to commit to pushing me because he thinks he's probably going to lose the 1v1

That's also certainly a possibility...

I think I'm letting wifom and paranoia consume me lately.

[skitter30]

I even called him out on it while it was happening

[Datisi]

I mean i truly didn't think Mala was the other Mason, yeah, but i feel that part is obvious regardless of my alignment.