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[UnaBombaH]

Oh, my bad.
WHAT AN IDIOTIC THING FROM THE SHORT-CIRCUIT ON.

Checking Persivul is absolutely fine.

SORRY

[UnaBombaH]

..AND OF COURSE THIS^^ HAS TO BE ON A DIFFERENT PAGE JUST TO MAKE SURE MY APOLOGY ISN'T RIGHT THERE BELOW MY DERPAGE.

[UnaBombaH]

Also my phone apparently mixes up "from me to" with "from the".
Interesting autocorrect.

I think the hedgehog actually said the absolutely brilliant thing, that Persivul should be the first target for out Cop if we do have one.
We get a clear on Persivul -> we get a clear on mavs -> we are actually potentially 4 locktowns ahead!
GJ Prana! (I'm not at all feeling guilty for calling you out on a mistake you didn't do... )

[UnaBombaH]

All the mechanical clears aside, and only considering reads or the lack of them....Luca Blight/Tanner/Panda/George?

Tanner is a gutread I cannot shake.
There's something off with the slot, despite all their valiant, good efforts.

[Persivul]

With her gone, there’s now less resistance to lynch me and if I’m lynched, when I flip miller, that will give Persivul’s claim more credit.

There's absolutely no way you get lynched before me. Your flip might validate me a little. My flip and the normal guidelines would make you a second IC. I'd prefer to lynch scum today, but if people suspect the two of us, I'm the lynch today, not you.

[Persivul]

Okay. 2 Millers in a game with no way to confirm either is broken. It gives scum two free mislynches. In order to make this game Playable, Town has to have something to confirm the other Miller. Persi's role fits that. 2 Millers without something like a Rolecop is straight up broken.

Correct, and consider my play yesterday. I knew I could check the claim who didn't get lynched,so:
- I was very against the notion of the second claim getting vigged
- I knew all the speculation about what we do tomorrow was unnecessary, so I just wanted to end the day

[Persivul]

@Wake88: I’ve never played with an IC before and looked up the role. The first paragraph does mention how a mod-confirmed IC from the start has fallen out of favor cause it can be boring for the player in this situation. That seems like case I take it?

Wake is always useless like this.

[Persivul]

...Why do you people insist on making this game more complicated than it really is?

farside was shot. She suspected Panda/Luca/Persi. Both Panda's and Luca's slots are horrible (I'd argue Panda's more so than Luca, but ya know). We swing there. Persi and mavs are of the same alignment, they're de facto cleared Town, and if (and that's a really really big if) they're scum,

it will be obvious later once actual Town PRs start coming to light.

Yep.

[Persivul]

Still here.

Still alive.

Still IC.

Still useless.

[Luca Blight]

Feeling burnt out and demotivated atm, apologies.

[Not Known 15]

Luca Blight is being replaced.

[Persivul]

Scum reads: red panda, luca, knight/persivul.

I just read farside's ISO. I see no PR crumbs, so she was presumably killed for her reads. She scum read saladman. He was replaced by panda. She scum read panda and said she was most confident in that read. Panda looks really bad on page 23.

VOTE: Red Panda

[UnaBombaH]

Scum reads: red panda, luca, knight/persivul.

I just read farside's ISO. I see no PR crumbs, so she was presumably killed for her reads. She scum read saladman. He was replaced by panda. She scum read panda and said she was most confident in that read. Panda looks really bad on page 23.

VOTE: Red Panda

I'm fine with this one as well tbh, but Luca replacing out doesn't help my read on him at all.
Yeayea, NAI and all that jazz, but I'd hope town!Luca would've been motivated to solve in a setup like this.

[Tanner]

VOTE: Red Panda

[Persivul]

I'm fine with this one as well tbh, but Luca replacing out doesn't help my read on him at all.

Agreed. A Luca lynch wouldn't disappoint me, I just like salad slot a little better.

[Not Known 15]

popopopopopopo replaces Luca Blight

[GeorgeBailey]

...Why do you people insist on making this game more complicated than it really is?

farside was shot. She suspected Panda/Luca/Persi. Both Panda's and Luca's slots are horrible (I'd argue Panda's more so than Luca, but ya know). We swing there. Persi and mavs are of the same alignment, they're de facto cleared Town, and if (and that's a really really big if) they're scum,

it will be obvious later once actual Town PRs start coming to light.

I'm hesitant on Luca/Panda and I don't think she was killed for her scum reads. She seemed like a really obvTown player that would have easily been taken to LyLo. I think Scum thought she was an easy target to take out. But NKA is tricky because you have to know the mind behind the kills too. Some people take out Strong Townies they don't want to compete with late game, some take out people shit tunneling them.

Persivul could be a scum going for the towncred when mavs flips.
Them "clearing" mavs isn't as heavy a commitment for scum as some might imply.

Yeah, but that's something to explore much later down the line. Like, we should be sorting sus people right now. So far I don't think Persivul has acted very scummy. Also, when more PRs are outed, then it'll be abundantly clear if there's too many. (i'm guessing the PR ratio is mostly the same in normals?)

The way Salad has singled out Una/George, Panda keeps pushing Una, and the way Luca's been acting around those two slots too. Make me think s/s is unlikely there.

Honestly, I think Salad and Luca were just low-activity posting. Salad was just responding to me cause I was the one of the main focus at the time, and Luca looked like he was struggling to stay in the game. I don't think either of these slots are readable, and I think their replacements should be given new slates.

I think you’ve got the right idea about Knightmare voting opportunistically, but how do you feel about Panda? The textbook opportunistic vote would be me day 2 after Drew-Sta flipped miller.

It does feel really off, ngl. I'd say it feels more LAMIST than opportunistic though. Everyone knew double miller would be questioned, it was the focal point of D1. It seems like there was no intent to start a wagon, but rather to show off.

Methinks their “gut” feeling was that UnaBombaH attracted attention with no real reason.

The UnaBombaH vote does seem like a weird one though, but Una hasn't been especially pushed this game. So I don't really see it as scum trying to grab LHF. I think I see this more as a vanity wagon?

Thank you for scum claiming with this OMGUS vote. I'm the only vote on you, how does that count as a "wagon gaining traction?"

Because the limelight was on me at the time, and you provided minimal comments on my slot, while voting me. It honestly seems like i'm your vanity wagon right now.

All the mechanical clears aside, and only considering reads or the lack of them....Luca Blight/Tanner/Panda/George?

Tanner is a gutread I cannot shake.
There's something off with the slot, despite all their valiant, good efforts.

Honestly, we shouldn't be basing our reads off gut feelings right now lmao. That feels like D1 trying-to-get-out-of-rvs talk.

Can you go more into detail what's off about him?

[popopopopopopo]

checking in, hows it going

[popopopopopopo]

page 1 down i already have a scumread (kngithmare)

[Knightmare491]

Because the limelight was on me at the time, and you provided minimal comments on my slot, while voting me. It honestly seems like i'm your vanity wagon right now.

BS, I'm the only one talking about you.

[Knightmare491]

How rare is double miller?

I still struggle to see how this is town reaction to two millers. Someone who's been on the site since September last year and has played many games.

[GeorgeBailey]

BS, I'm the only one talking about you.

Currently, yeah. The point is that I think your push is safe and insincere.

[GeorgeBailey]

I still struggle to see how this is town reaction to two millers. Someone who's been on the site since September last year and has played many games.

I've played mostly micro and newbie game. And 90% were open, I can't setup spec for shit.

[Knightmare491]

BS, I'm the only one talking about you.

Currently, yeah. The point is that I think your push is safe and insincere.

First you say popular wagon, then you say it's safe. Can you decide on one thing?

[Knightmare491]

Doesn't look like GB is a viable lynch for today,

so, VOTE: Riabi

This slot just looks like it's happy to sit back and let town destroy itself while claiming to have not caught.

I don't really have a problem with the RP wagon, just her entry post day 2 is not something I would expect scum to make.