Newbie 2004: Trash Panada Hour. Redux! GAME OVER

[Formerfish]

from which I don't think you've made any reads on anyone

Then read again.

And i already explained my vote on Ironcat, and explicitly mentioned the omgus thing before, so youve proven your reading comprehension skills are subpar. Try again.

[Formerfish]

ooo spicy pagetop, me likes.

[gibus]

Regardless of experience, I find ironcat's interest in finding scum in contrast to your disinterest (#223). You've provided nothing useful to town in your ISO other than a three player scumread (#212) with no stance on it immediately after criticising my three player scumread.

VOTE: Formerfish

Bro, im saying he is scum because hes concerned with appearances.

You said it was omgus?

Unless feather is super manipulative, it doesn't seem like he would be coordinated enough to pretend to be new, ask all these pertinent questions, and play the scum role so well. For that I think he is VT.
Gibus is sus to me because of all the vote switching and random accusations. I stand by my opinion about it being sloppy and thats all I can come up with atm. My thought is whether or not you're scum in a newbie game, you don't want to draw attention, by trying to be casual that person becomes more suspicious by their fake nonchalance. of course, in opposition to this is people who don't interact are also sus so like ironcat said, its a catch 22. So if the scum is nervous about appearing one way or the other, it might be easiest to be quiet for the time being.
speaking of ironcat, im on the fence. Post #193 he says he’s okay with votato’s disagreement. I am less suspicious of people who aren’t afraid of standing in opposition to someone like votato who has strong, and well thought out opinions because it reads to me that he isn’t trying to cover up something – his opinion is what it is. His exchange with fish made him look even less suspicious, perhaps only in contrast to whatever was going on with fish and his frustrations. Then again, #243 was a childish rebuttal, but that doesn’t scream scum to me necessarily.
I don’t know how to read brass, votato or Lilith. Brass and votato seem genuinely interested in seeing the game progress in a dynamic manner, while helping people learn along the way. if one of them happen to be scum, they haven’t seemed to let on that they are going to take advantage of people’s feelings of ‘trust worthiness’….yet, but I guess that’s the point, right? Lol.
Lilith hasn’t posted much lately, has she? I wonder why. Ive been suspicious of her without being able to collect my thoughts or any evidence (if in fact there is any) against her yet.
Copycat hasn’t struck me as one way or the other. We also don’t have any point of reference from the previous slot holder…lililil (right?) I wonder if, if that was a scum role cat stepped into, lililil wasn’t active at all before, so im assuming the scum buddy wouldn’t have had help from him either…makes me wonder what it was like as a lone scum and who was looking for a replacement.

I'm vain. Where's your read on me? Am I the only one you omitted? Curious.

I would have been too if you had content.

Yeah I had this thought too. the argument seems overblown, like they are both really angry at each other in a way that comes across as exaggerated.

I'm not mad, angry, triggered, miffed, rustled, annoyed or any other adjective you want to use. Full stop.

I don't like when people act like they know me and can read my mental state in a few posts in an online forum game. That's insulting in so many ways. People should keep those types of terms out of their mouths because more often then not they end up sounding more like Mike Tyson than Niel Tyson, ya feel?

And I told people to ask about me for a few reasons. The first is that I want to see if the person does it and who they ask and how they do it. As I've said Brass is the only person I really know in this game, so it would make sense to ask him. Second objective is to see what Brass says about me and his read on me so far in relation to people's reads.

So me telling you to ask about me serves the purpose, to me at least, in getting a read on you and how stubborn and potentially biased against me. It has the added benefit of possibly getting a read on Brass, but I don't think you really have any interest in reading me correctly. Picking me as a target is a bad choice though. It's going to end worse for you than it ever will for me.

Brass doesn't have anything to say about you. And then an empty threat? OK.

I'm unsure of these folks so maybe they're town after all. Reverse list of possible town in order ~
1. Freddie
2. Potato the unidoggo
3. bass
4. feathers
5. kat
6. gibus
7. Lilith

Ofc I could be VERY wrong in this list but derp, just trying to eliminate my suspicion here

Suspicious of lilith because fishyman behave really weird after I suspected her.

His progression on me is really weird, like at first he throws a bunch of shade on my slot and then turns around and defends me to you and gibus. I think he may be trying to WK me now.

Where is fish on this list?

When did throw a bunch of shade on your slot?

I thought he did but I just went to go find it and apparently he did not, so I must have been mixing up posts with someone else

Am I the "he" being talked about here? I don't wanna pull a Carly but I hate the pronoun game.

Yes you are. No read.

1) mafia is a mental and perception game. If you're going to be an asshole and get on everyone's cases when people discuss what your actions imply about your motivations, then you may want to reconsider playing this game. this is now the.. second? time you've been an asshole to someone because they were looking at how your posts represent your motivations, which is literally the point of the game.
2) I haven't even tried to ascribe emotions to you in the first place. here I'm saying that you are acting angry, not that you're angry.
3) if you're not actually upset when you've made these posts, then you're just being way more of an asshole than you need to be.
4) where did you tell me to "ask about you"?
5) I haven't "targeted" you at all, I think it's interesting that you seem to think I've picked you out of the crowd when I'm literally voting someone else and have interacted with multiple other slots.
6) I'm not particularly interested in engaging with people who are being assholes as a principle, but I'll happily be an asshole right back since you seem pretty determined.

1. There is a difference between "A did x therefore i find them to be y" and "A is triggered, must be scum" and if you dont see that then whatever, but dont fucking rag out on me and cunt the thread up with this shit.

2. I think its funny that anyone would try to ascertain my emote during those posts. None of you know me well enough to read me based on me personally, and if you did then you would realize that this is all shtick from me right now.

3. I feel like everyone has missed the few posts where I have tried to pivot on to other things, or where I have tried to indicate that I was joking.

You are all taking me way too seriously and i dont know how to tell you that because youve painted me into a corner by calling my emotions into play here. If i defend myself and deny then im a thing, if i ignore and try to move past because this is the stupidest shit ive heard for a sr in while i get called out for being silent and it gets taken as admission of guilt.

Its literally a catch 22.

4. I get lost in posts sometimes and that was more directed at Ironcat, which is who most of that post was directed at. You just saw your name and went off half cunt and here we are. Most of this could have been avoided if you had simply asked a question about my post and not just flooding the thread with your vitriol.

5. Not to you, this is when i was ranting about Iron. You were just an innocent bystandard in this.

6. Before you assume someone is being an asshole, maybe engage with them in good faith. Why the fuck do i want to talk to you if this is how you react to a miscommunication.

And seriously fuck you for the pretentious pronoun correction, it was a valid question and i could have answered it easily if i knew for sure you were talking about me.

You are probably thinking about when i called you out for shading me a few times for no reason before i even really started playing, but if this is how you play then i can understand your persecution complex. Who did you mistake me for by the way? Someone must have been gettig after you if it wasnt me.

Am I wrong to ignore this?

I can't decide if I think formerfish is just being an asshole or if he's trying to cover up his reactions by being an asshole

Could be youve just misread the whole situation and are reading me through shaded lenses.

We can move on if youd like, now that ive explained that the post you think i was being an asshole to you about wasnt even to you, it was just started by something you said. Well, parroted, because you werent the first to say it, just the most recent.

I'm pretty baked

I tend to let me head get ahead of my fingers and then i forget who i was talking to and it becomes more of a stream of conscious.

I get how it could have been confusing, but your default being attack needs to be readjusted.

Ok.

Your posts come off as abrasive and I don’t really get whatever “shtick” you’re going for

I get that, but i can't exactly explain what im doing or it loses all value. Asking people to ask about me put the onus on them to inquire about me and would probably figure out what my shtick was as soon as Brass decides to comment on it.

Or meta dive me and read some of my theories on newbies and how I play them and why.

I could tell you all about myself, but what do you do with hand fed meta?

I don't see any reads. Other than #212, which I would genuinely like an explanation for.

from which I don't think you've made any reads on anyone

Then read again.

And i already explained my vote on Ironcat, and explicitly mentioned the omgus thing before, so youve proven your reading comprehension skills are subpar. Try again.

One read on ironcat. For being concerned about how he looks like (thank you for solving this game, EZ town victory boiz!), or was it OMGUS? I am genuine about wanting a read list from you. English is my second language so please don't mind my reading skills.

My d1 method is a spin off of that tactic. Basically you act scummy af on d1 to draw the ire of the scummers because im giving them something relatively easy to latch on to as a scum read.

This isn't directed to me, but are you trying to act scummy? You are giving town something relatively easy to latch on to as a scum read too. It does shortlist the potential scummers but explicitly stating your strategy defeats the whole purpose. Is this some kind of an attempt to hide scummy behaviour by calling it a strat?

[Formerfish]

I need more Brass in my life. Vota is giving off good vibes. Lil hasn't pinged me yet. Replacement is a good suspect due to the whole issue of newbies replacing out of scum rolls in their first games. Feathers seems like newb town.

So freddie, gib and ironcat are who we should hang for the win currently.

How do you miss this entire post?

[gibus]

Last line was intended for #397 and #473

[Formerfish]

You said it was omgus?

That was sarcasm, i dont omgus.

[gibus]

I need more Brass in my life. Vota is giving off good vibes. Lil hasn't pinged me yet. Replacement is a good suspect due to the whole issue of newbies replacing out of scum rolls in their first games. Feathers seems like newb town.

So freddie, gib and ironcat are who we should hang for the win currently.

How do you miss this entire post?

I didn't. And it was before #227

[Formerfish]

I would have been too if you had content.

I dont understand what this means.

[gibus]

EBWOP

I would have been curious too IF you had content.

[Formerfish]

This isn't directed to me, but are you trying to act scummy? You are giving town something relatively easy to latch on to as a scum read too. It does shortlist the potential scummers but explicitly stating your strategy defeats the whole purpose. Is this some kind of an attempt to hide scummy behaviour by calling it a strat?

Im saying that i play the way that i do on day 1 for a reason. Im not here to spoon feed you that reason, and I get if i get some heat for how I play. I can deal with heat because all it is is people being salty over my attitude and thats NAI.

When people try to build cases on me they tend to crumble because they are built on lies and misconceptions and those are things i can dismantle. Or they keep saying the same thing over and over again while my positions change and evolve over time with more information out there.

Low hanging fruit is the idea that the easiest things to grab are the ones that are closest to the ground. In this game is taken to mean that the people who act scummy or do scummy things are the low hanging fruit. So to go after that is going after something that is going to give the least resistence and gain the most possible traction because "Hey! That was really scummy! Look at how scummy that was." Its the same reason newbies get a lot of heat when they do newbie things, but you decide if it was a newb scum or newb town thing to do.

If i were scum, why would I act this way knowing its going to bring heat down on me?

I do it as town because I want it.

This is a gambit. Not whatever Ironcat called one.

This is where I act as a lightening rod. I take the attention and i make people take stands for or against me, if i die today you have info to work with. If i live, then woo hoo wait for day 2.

My job today is to figure out who among the people pushing me are town and who is scum? Did scum sit this one out because they knew newbs would jump on it, or is one of them driving it?

And i agree that stating what im doing does take a little of the bite out of it, but notice i didnt care right away and let everyone in on the plan. I had thought that Brass would have been able to back me up, but again I mistook him for someone else. If he had been who i thought he was then he would have been able to let you guys know you were barking up the wrong tree and could kinda leave me alone to do my thing.

He wasnt the person i was thought he was, so he couldnt do that.

No, i didnt make this up as a "strat" to explain scummy behavior.

[Formerfish]

EBWOP

I would have been curious too IF you had content.

So youre saying that prior to 345 I have no content worth judging?

[Formerfish]

I need more Brass in my life. Vota is giving off good vibes. Lil hasn't pinged me yet. Replacement is a good suspect due to the whole issue of newbies replacing out of scum rolls in their first games. Feathers seems like newb town.

So freddie, gib and ironcat are who we should hang for the win currently.

How do you miss this entire post?

I didn't. And it was before #227

If i have no read on brass, town leans on vota and lil, newb read on feathers, and i know im town thats 4 trs, 1 null, and then i suspect that replacement based off a known statistic about newbies replacing out of games where they roll scum process of elimination leave freddie, iron cat and you

Ironcat definitely latched onto me very early on and hasnt let anything waver his reads, same with you, and freddi hasnt done much but leave me out of a full reads list.

[Formerfish]

:sips coffee:
:twiddles thumbs:

I guess I'll go first.

Hi. I'm formerfish and I'm a Mafiaholic.

I've been playing off and on for years. It was never really a problem until I found myself staying up for 3 days straight while posting my way to 1500 posts in a newbie.

I had one last hurrah before detoxing and entering the program.

I'm only in this game and I am looking to reset. I think I can handle a newbie. I mean it's just one game right. One game. Thats all.

Vote Brass

He knows why, and if he doesn't ask the Lady.

I'll be here tonight.

Alright, the kiddo is in bed, i have a fresh bowl packed, an ice cold mountain dew and a video on youtube talking about scary unsolved murders.

You know what that all adds up too, right?

Well if you said crippling depression you wouldn't be entirely wrong, but in this case it means its motherfucking mafia time.

I was thinking about leaving the BDE behind and try something new, but after that first rvs vote i started a spiral down a slipper slope and now a bunch of euphemisms are after me.

I had one last hurrah before detoxing and entering the program.

So what did you learn in the program?

Uhh they are a little secretive about things. Like the 1st rule is that we can't talk about things. And the second rule? Don't talk about it. So, it's kinda something you need to be a part of to understand.

Yo, what up?

VOTE: Former Fish

I was town PR before!

You're the only person I know here and this is my rvs thing.

VOTE: formerfish mafia addicts should be quicklynched so they become less addicted

Decently obfuscated vote on me. Probably scum.

where can we find this lady to ask? or is that what you've named me?

Yee... I wanted to come off mysterious, how'd I do?

Fine, VOTE: votato

This is also probably scum. Lynch this today please. kthxby.

So, town = nice, scum = mean?

Come on, this is the newbie thread, anyone who holds their hands and shows them the ropes has to be town right? I mean it's not like the scumbags aren't trying to blend in so they can lure our kids off the internet and into suspect situations like being in a warehouse with an uzi attached to a pole playing dodge the bullets. Nah, nice always equals good, just like pretty is clean and nice.

haha theyre already starting to trust me. this should be easy.

Oh hey the old "meant to post this in my scum pt" shtick.

We are killing this at some point, but not today.

Yeah, I know, just making sure there wasn't something more.

This post pings me as you trying to soft defend your partner during RVS because you see a few votes going that way and you aren't sure if there is something you are missing that you should be seeing and if there is something legit that has caught your partner. You'd only do that if he was the PR and you weren't, so Imma vote him based off your town stamp. Thank you.

VOTE: Votato

Im going on the My Cousin Vinny theory here that the roles didnt get rerolled and we were just told they were.

VOTE: Brassherald

This is a useless trash vote.

Hmm formerfish has apparently confirmed his new role PM but not posted?

Nope. Thanks for the attempt at throwing shade at me though...

VOTE: feathers

I feel like you have more votes than words posted. Fix that.

VOTE: gibus when will RVS end?

RVS has a mind of its own. You can't force it, you just have to strap on and enjoy the ride. Why are you so intent on moving out of RVS while doing so little to actually progress the game in any way shape or form? Naked votes flung at random is not a way out of RVS, its a way to look busy and then for you to be vocal about wanting to be out of RVS is LAMIST af.

Then I think Day 1 just ends when everyone’s made a vote?

So unless someone gets lynched Day 1, we’d have to wait 10 whole irl days for Day 1 to end? That sounds.. bad for town honestly. Stirs up unnecessary arguments and wagons, probably mislynch someone in the end instead of waiting the time out.

This seems like a very newbtown thought process. I like this.

No I’m vanilla townie. I guess I’m not allowed to send pics of mod pms as confirmation or anything like that?

Aren't we all vanilla townies

It’s also making you an easy target

Do you often key in on low hanging fruit and threaten the thread to play at surface level only? Asking for a friend.

Can someone tell me how D1 lynch is not a purely probabilistic kill?

Flips give us information that we need to complete the puzzle that this game is.

Right now all town members know only their own role and alignment, while scum knows each others and all of ours. By pushing wagons we are able to see who votes where and who doesn't. Once we have a few flips we'll have a better understanding of the game and we can use our powers of deduction and observation to figure out who scum is to a smaller and more manageable group to murder systematically during the day.

Or is that the point? Making people want to lynch to squeeze even more discussion out, just accepting we're killing a town for no reason?

All town doesn't need to be alive at the end of the game for them to win. Dead town wins with the town the same as alive people do. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but we aren't all making it out of this alive buddy.

I’m suspicious that Lilith is a little more experienced then she’s letting on.

Lil is an SE and thats marked clearly in the OP, what exactly is she doing to subvert your expectations of her play so far?

And @lilith you are posting only a little more then @iamironcat. It might not be AI but it seems interesting to me you jumped to protect ironcat so quickly.

This attack falls flat and has no conviction behind it. You should take a creative writing class if you wanna bone up on your scum chops.

Not trying to sort out the rules

Rule talk is something that scum engages in often, Lil not engaging on that bullshit is not scum indicative. I haven't read a rule set in fucking years and generally won't answer those kind of questions in thread unless its directed at me specifically. I look to see who answers peoples out of game questions like they are johnny on the fucking spot and i size them up for rope and then go to work.

Quicksolve: brass, lilith, formerfish

How many newbie games have you played? I suggest more.

If I'm right that lilith's mafia, they could nk me or the others who suspect them and put the blame on Freddie since I suspected them.

This makes an odd amount of sense, but the thought that you would die over 3 SEs is puzzling. Are you famous or something? I know I was in rehab for a month, but I doubt you blew up on this site that fast that I should know you, and if I dont know you dying tonight probably isnt in your cards.

Paranoia, poor logic, a scum list that's too long, no reasoning. You can scumread me for that if you want

I like you. You could still be scum and ill cry a single tear when you die, but i like you.

You should vote me for I am trash.

ftfy

Only two scum in this game bud

I know, 2 out of the 3 I meant.

What is your “solve” based on?

Elimination. I townread feathers, freddie and ironcat. Not sure about votato, but his vote on the mod for taking away his opportunity to be scum looks slightly convincing.

You eliminated the active people and suspect the people who havent voted much. Holy shit, you've cracked this game wide open.

Pushing to lynch any of the SEs is not a good look on you. It kinda makes it seem like you are just wanting to make us look bad in front of all the impressionable newbies. Are you the pied piper coming to take them all out of town to murder them? I think you have an ulterior motive to your list.

I can see how this can come more from scum than from town.

How does someone questioning your naked solve where youve eliminated active people and have left the three SEs as your POE come more from scum than town. If youre right you need to convince us to follow you and vote one of your three, doing that means that people are going to ask how you came to your conclusions. Not what you are saying. Thats bullshit.

If I'm wrong, then tell me what's the better way to root out the 2-ish scum?

VOTE: Unvote

VOTE: Vote Gib

mod said that scum were revealed in a PT. that suggests to me that there were masons in the prior iteration. if they are still the same mason pair, then theyd figure out pretty quick that the scumpair were the same and that they knew who it was already.

Shhh... take this tin foil hat and join the group, Zultan will be with us shortly.

hence my town reads on gibus and feathers lol

At most, one of those guesses is right. The other is horribly horribly misplaced.

I need more Brass in my life. Vota is giving off good vibes. Lil hasn't pinged me yet. Replacement is a good suspect due to the whole issue of newbies replacing out of scum rolls in their first games. Feathers seems like newb town.

So freddie, gib and ironcat are who we should hang for the win currently.

It's funny how freddie is saying that filiiping is a mafia move - like that's the last thing they would do.
That being said,

if I get killed tonight

, investigate Lilith. I have a FOS on them.
It might be possible they would put the blame on Freddie.

Here you talk about yourself being killed tonight based off a random read from RVS within the first 10 pages.

Thats a lot of whatfuckingifs to check off to hit on the head. Hence why I mentioned that the idea that you would be the night kill as a puzzler.

Youre the person who thinks everyone is scum at first and we have to prove to you somehow that we arent, right?

Ironcat, please dont attempt to psychoanalyze me, my shrink does a fine job.

And the line about me being triggered, woo, thats a bit of gaslighting that i havent seen in awhile.

I suggest you ask around about me and see if anyone thinks that ive been triggered so far.

Not asking anyone to prove me personally that I'm not scum. Just talking about my process of elimination.

its so easy to use my words "process of elimination" against me. So I'll clarify in advance

Eliminating my suspicion. It's a form of deduction.

You seem worried, you worried?

VOTE: Ironcat

Just to clarify, thats a vote on you for being overly concerned with how you appear to people.

But i guess im just triggered and this is nothing but an omgus vote. I suppose we shall see what it will be, because after you flip there'll be no more of your lip.

I'll steal this page top and

challange Ironcat

to a duel. You can pick weaopons and we shall fight at noon on the 6th day of the first phase.

Do you accept, you must bold yes or no.

Regardless of experience, I find ironcat's interest in finding scum in contrast to your disinterest (#223). You've provided nothing useful to town in your ISO other than a three player scumread (#212) with no stance on it immediately after criticising my three player scumread.

VOTE: Formerfish

Bro, im saying he is scum because hes concerned with appearances. And i seriously disagree that my iso is empty, id argue that I have the most content right now, and in that ive taken stances on quite a few people based on their early posting. You could dig into the things ive said, like the post where you complain about my lack of evidence where i talk about trs, and you could probably glean my srs based off my posting and my votes.

But why do any of that? Just vote me and call it a day. Enjoy your surface level reads, muppet.

[Formerfish]

Post 228 was my 22nd post.

Gibus had 39.
Vota 33.
Lil 15.
Ironcat 21.
Brass 10.
feathers 30.
Copycat 2.
Freddie 32.

So my post count is right in the middle, and you can clearly see that there is content there people could dig into if they wanted to, so for me to be the only one left off his list of reads is curious.

[gibus]

hopefully fish starts contributing more soon. Would like to try and sort them out

Have you not been able to get a grasp on me yet? You could, hell I don't know, talk to me? Ask a question of me? Break down my reads and why I've sorted people the way I did.

You say that you need more from me but I don't feel like you've engaged the content Ive posted so far.

Can you summarize your reads?

#477 was to stress on #474. I just wanted you to summarize your new reads because like you said, a lot happened after #227.

[gibus]

Lil, i forgot about you.

I need to figure out who i keep mistaking for brass, because i was sure wed played recently. I play a hyperaggressive day 1 because I tend to die a lot of n1. My goal on day 1 is to cause as much shit as i can to see where the dust falls and who starts to go in on my and for what reason.

Has anyone ever heard of a Slayer's Gambit?

My d1 method is a spin off of that tactic. Basically you act scummy af on d1 to draw the ire of the scummers because im giving them something relatively easy to latch on to as a scum read. The problem for scum comes on d2 when theyve kept me alive overnight with the intention of pushing me as the mislynch on d2 as a result of my play from d1. When I flip the script and drop knowledge bombs scum realize that they done fucked up by thinking they could get me lynched and then we usually win the game.

There is a bit more that I havent said, but I cant just give away all my milk, youll never come back to milk my udders.

I asked in the last line of #447 because there was no wagon against you but you still disclosed your strat.
I won't push this.

[Formerfish]

Im still working on that. Vota's surity of his cc (i think its his cc read anyways, id have to go back and look) has pinged me, and something seems off there, so they are people id need to talk to.

Lil was quick to go off on me, but then equally quick to retract her posts when she realized that i had made like 3 posts in one and directed it at her by accident. So there is something there as well.

Freddie hasnt posted in over a day and i dont think he ever responded to me asking why i was omitted, so im waiting on that.

Brass has been pretty mia and i need to run down why i have a mental hurdle there.

Ironcat and yourself have been all over my nads like the stink from a single guy a month into covid quarentine for some elementary shit.

And featehrs is still anewb.

So, there, im in the process, but doing more talking about my process and what i need to do to read people is only going to serve to inform scum how to get away with me tring them.

[gibus]

ebwop

I asked in the last line of #477 because there was no wagon against you but you still disclosed your strat.
I won't push this.

[Formerfish]

ebwop

I asked in the last line of #477 because there was no wagon against you but you still disclosed your strat.
I won't push this.

Yeah, i realized the guy i was using as a life line wasnt going to be able to vouch for me, so i couldnt really rely on him to tell you guys to back off

[iamironcat]

I am really confused how you can be scumreading me primarily due to what you think is fish chainsaw defending me. Do you think that scum blatantly defend each other in this game?

That's not my only reason
159

I bolded it on my end.
That being said, it's quite clear that Freddie is scum since they're trying to buddy me with Lilith. Also saying I'm lurking which is false, my time zone is on the other side of the world. By the time I get online, there's not much for me to contribute to. If you want to say that's scummy, it's fine but there's more town than scum here.

Despite I think fred's town, I still think you're being buddied with other town members.
I also suspect bass but more onto you thanks to fish.

So, in your opinion bussing isnt an option here. Why not? How much experience do you have with vetting potential bussing votes? Are you an expert?

I didn't say "it isn't an option".

How exactly does your idea help draw out scum? All I see if you randomly saying you have a FOS on Lil and if you get nked to look at her. That's a bit obvious of a move dont you think? I mean scum could easily not kill you, because lets be honest if youre town youre more of a boon to us then you are to scum, and then your gambit was meaningless.

I could had mentioned another player here but the result would be the same. I've recalled seeing this work on previous games so I thought I give it a shot. If it doesn't, then whatever.

But i guess im just triggered and this is nothing but an omgus vote. I suppose we shall see what it will be, because after you flip there'll be no more of your lip.

I'm not a boon to town, only you. And you're going to go out of your way to lynch me regardless of my alignment which is not only a scum move but overall bad for this game.

There is a difference between saying someones mental state has been triggered by someone else, and me saying I don't know you therefore don't put much stock in anything you say.

The only person talking about mental states, therapy, etc is you

Youre setting up a false dichotomy between the two when they aren't even remotely the same type of comment.

Oh, so saying:
"Are you famous or something? I know I was in rehab for a month, but I doubt you blew up on this site that fast that I should know you, and if I dont know you dying tonight probably isnt in your cards."
isn't "act like they know me and can read my mental state in a few posts in an online forum game."
You say it's false because you fallacies only work when you use it.

Does it change anything to know that this statement is very wrong? Knowing that scum have day talk should make you reevaluate your reads, but I doubt youll do that, confbias is a real bitch to overcome when you arent actually looking for truth.

Definitely NOT acting like you know me and can read my mental state in this sentence.
But of course, only you can tell others to "reevaluate your reads, but I doubt youll do that, confbias is a real bitch to overcome when you arent actually looking for truth."

Anyhow, I missed out this day chat thing from the mod. So that makes me scum and I'm making an insane far fetched lie? Like you know, if I DID had access to a chat like this and start saying that I don't it would be really insane imo. But of course you are free to claim that I'm insane - the privilege of reading one's mental state only works for you.

484
Sounds like something a celebrity would say.

[gibus]

I need more Brass in my life. Vota is giving off good vibes. Lil hasn't pinged me yet. Replacement is a good suspect due to the whole issue of newbies replacing out of scum rolls in their first games. Feathers seems like newb town.

So freddie, gib and ironcat are who we should hang for the win currently.

How do you miss this entire post?

I didn't. And it was before #227

If i have no read on brass, town leans on vota and lil, newb read on feathers, and i know im town thats 4 trs, 1 null, and then i suspect that replacement based off a known statistic about newbies replacing out of games where they roll scum process of elimination leave freddie, iron cat and you

Ironcat definitely latched onto me very early on and hasnt let anything waver his reads, same with you, and freddi hasnt done much but leave me out of a full reads list.

This is not what I meant by wanting an explanation. The PoE is a stretch, so I wondered if you genuinely meant it or if you were baiting a reaction out of the SRs.

[gibus]

UNVOTE: fish

[lilith2013]

@ironcat:

If “I’m being buddied with others,” how does that make

me

scum? I’m not the one doing the buddying... like you’re saying that since other people, who you are now townreading, have tried to “buddy me with you” (does this just mean that it’s because they’re scumreading me?) that I must be scum?

Your statement is predicated on freddie being scum, so if they are town and buddying me, how can I be the scummy one for it?

I think you have decided that you’re scumreading me and are making up reasons to do it because you haven’t pointed to anything I’ve actually done as scummy or scum-motivated. And your best argument is that multiple other people are scumreading me so I must be scum. This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

[lilith2013]

Also I don’t think buddying means what you think it means. You keep saying freddie is trying to “buddy me and you together” but buddying would mean that freddie is trying to be friendly to us in order to get us to townread them. I believe you are trying to say that other people have pegged me as part of the scumteam with another person - but again, I don’t see how you can point to this and call me scummy for it. Like there’s literally nothing that I’ve actually done that you are pointing to.

[CopyKat]

You say that you need more from me but I don't feel like you've engaged the content Ive posted so far.

The majority of your posts up to this point where you puffing out your chest but to a degree you are right, I will try and engage you more directly

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