Mini Normal 2146: Cute Pets Game Over, Town wins

[Emperor flippyNips]

I'm assuming:

Emperor Flippynips
Unabombah
Gobbledygook
Hoopla
Klick

are all town.

easy game so far.

This is bad posting.

All three of my scum reads are on this list.

Who are your other sr’s besides me?

I'm still happy with Flippy, Hoopla or the Turkey at this stage.

Not the hardest reads to find considering I've deliberately not been pumping my post count through the roof by posting utter garbage posts like some people have been, nor splitting my responses to a handful of posts up into multiple responses when it could go into one post for easier ISO'ing later.

no need to be a hater, this is just how i post, a lot of time i hit submit then a new thought comes to me right after. I could of just iso'd you but i wanted some interactions with you to try & catch a vibe

[Emperor flippyNips]

don't be shy una.

maybe this is the watershed moment that can help unite us and make us realise we're both town?? a moment of divine compromise.

and then i die and you realize im town & i find out you're scum?

if she scum, she know you town tho?

..oh, right yeah. duh

[Emperor flippyNips]

Nippyflips why aren’t you voting presently? Bob hasn’t caught up yet so his is understandable

i was at a loss for who i want to go after but i think i'm ready for another omgus vote

[Emperor flippyNips]

VOTE: hoopla

[Emperor flippyNips]

the only person i've felt bad about the whole game, i just have been trying to figure out why. still haven't figured it out but y'all are pressuring me to vote so there you go hope your happy

Spoiler:

[AGar]

VOTE: hoopla

bad vote is bad. If you're gonna put a vote on a new wagon this late in, you need to accompany it with something to push it forward.

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at 11

tonight after work!

[Battle Mage]

this late in? aint we got like a week till deadline? cool your jets bro....

[Battle Mage]

keep calm, and lynch scum

[Klick]

Spoiler: thoughts up to page 12

I've been working on this for like 6 hours on and off while looking after a screaming child lol. Eating dinner now, gonna post what I have and come back to it after.

I think PranaDevil reminds me of how Bellaphant plays. I wonder if it's just an English thing.

I kinda like these posts from Agar here, even if the reasoning is quite weak, it looks like he's geniuenly beliving in what he's saying

and here, i'm kind of suspicious of the fact that gooble kind of sets himself up to be able to lurk later on, or at least not produce meaningful content

Gonna look into whatever completed games Gypyx has at some point, but these feel like standard newbtown observations. I vibe with the first one - that's the sort of stuff I tend to look for when finding townreada early on.

I'm not saying both of you are scum, but I feel like your early posting fits the bill of circling the most intense focus while still appearing to take part in it.
So far it's just a hunch, but I think Espeonage isn't far off from that same spot.

Today in 'doing what I'm accusing others of doing'...

Also- in your experience with hoopla how did the buddying start? Because I saw her reach out to me and was immediately suspicious for much of what I said in thread- it’s weird for someone to reach out to me like that when it’s my preferred play style. But her answer of similar styles being easy to read made a lot of sense as well as- if hoopla is scum- why worry about buddying me? Surely it sounds like more of you have more experience with her, it’d be much more beneficial to her to work on one of you than cater her play to me (if she would even know how to do it bc we haven’t played in forever)

I really didn't think Hoopla's interest in working with you early was that suspicious. I find it much more odd that you're being so weird about it, almost like Hoopla has you in an uncomfortable spot.

Seems like a hell of a way to prod-dodge the entire game and write it off as "I said I was doing this at the start of the game".

Do you think that what I have contributed so far is prod dodge worthy?

and here, i'm kind of suspicious of the fact that gooble kind of sets himself up to be able to lurk later on, or at least not produce meaningful content

Same question to you. Do you think my contributions so far are lurking contributions?

Yes.
To gobble's credit, I've played with him twice and he was scum both times, and I don't remember him being quite like this.

[quote="In post 149, I like gyphx's posts as of late. Clearly trying to scum hunt.[/quote]
CooLDoG again in the same place as me.

^what are your scum reads?

Espe and Gobble. Slight discomfort with Hoops?

This took a weird amount of time to respond to.

also question, are mafia traitors common in mini normals?

are y'all just the scum team.? ..you can tell me if you are

well then, this post looks really weird to me, might be another one of Flippy's joke posts, but it really stands out in his ISO

Lol. Yeah Gypyx is just town. I don't think there's much explanation for this other than him genuinely going through flippy's ISO and having this as a theory.

Hoopla, do you still townread notscience? He's pinging me as being overexplainey and kinda apologetic in tone. He's also mentioned your reason for townreading him is NAI.

My predecessor was smart

also question, are mafia traitors common in mini normals?

Mind sharing WHY you'd consider this a valid question?

A simple solution suggests that you KNOW there is a Traitor, and this was a signal.
Why else would one ever come to think of this?

It seemed like a sensible conclusion for Gypyx to come to to me.
This is a weird one though. If you're town, you'd have to be incapable of putting yourself in a newbie mindset. There's also little motivation for a scum member to signal

to

a Traitor. Unless you're trying to suggest Gypyx himself is a Traitor?

He already answered that question umbreonage and I’m in the same train of thought as you. I either thought signaling team or looking for one.

Mmmmmm. notscience coming in with the save.

Traitor discussion out of nowhere is a biiiig red flag. Without trying to delve too far into theorycrafting optimal traitor play, there is no town reason to bring this up in an accusation, but there’s plenty of reason to do so if you’re a traitor or if you know one is out there.

Town motivation = you think you're onto something.
Traitor motivation = you're letting your team know you're the Traitor.
Scumteam motivation = ???

Hoopla and gobble go on to have the correct opinion on the matter

I find PranaDevil's 214 hilarious. Not a huge fan of the lack of any real conclusion from most of what he says there, but he at least takes a stance on CooLDoG and I could see him just taking his time digesting the rest of what's happened into something that looks like reads. I'm looking for PD to have more solid opinions on the gamestate by the end of this catchup, and if not I'll be cross.

one thing i noticed in my rereads was this comment from prana:

Seems like a hell of a way to prod-dodge the entire game and write it off as "I said I was doing this at the start of the game".

UNVOTE:
VOTE: gobbledygook

i don't like this vote. one, because the turkey was contributing in his own way, consistently and eagerly. and two, this was only prana's third vote of the game. seems strange to be leery of someone

potentially

committing a lurking tell, even though he hadn't yet -- while he had only produced three posts himself.

This is the first thing Hoopla's posted that I'm not really getting. There's a pretty clear distinction from PD's perspective between gobble constructing a way to potentially contribute little all game and PD not having posted much yet.

A lot of AGar's analysis seems based on what would be objectively sensible town play, instead of what individual town would be likely to do (see: his scumread on Gypyx based on traitor speculation being something town wouldn't do). In my experience, this is a rather safe way for scum to contribute without stepping too much out of line. But it could also be a personality thing. Just makes it hard to get anywhere with an AGar read or sync up with any of his posts.

town blocs are still stupid and the only person you should trust is yourself

This is a bad opinion

Leaning town on Hoopla for her explanation of Gypyx-town in 229 matching my thoughts rather well.

AGar's 230 says a lot of words to say that Gypyx is a new-ish player who brought up the concept of a Traitor. There's a lot of presumptive reasoning in it in a way that I see from scum a lot more than town.
I'm not seeing town vibes from it at all, which makes me very confused by notscience insisting it's super town right after.

So many of notscience's reads are suuuuper flip-floppy. There's room for most of them to change on a dime. Just look at this post:

Agar town for the similarities in train of thought like I’ve mentioned before

Hoopla still leads town but that weird post hiraki mentioned still irks me a bit

I liked Renaissance’s entrance into the game but still want those reads explained

I’m tempted to townread hiraki but can’t really place what it is that makes me think that way?

I liked my interactions with una so far so leantown there

I still want an explanation from Espeonage about the damn night prep because he’s been ignoring that question multiple times which is sketchy as shit

LicketyQuickety is still in this game and I don’t think he’s even posted

Turkey I’ve resolved to give him a few more days and see what he does with the space he asked for earlier

I want to iso warmcat because I frankly struggle to remember what he’s done

I didn’t feel either way re prana

Nippy flips I don’t think has done anything either but I’m pretty sure someone said that’s par for the course for him

Gyp I still don’t have good feelings about the traitor thing for the reasons in my iso

The only read here that I feel couldn't change on a whim is AGar-town.

I just don’t get how a newbie pulls traitor spec out of their ass like that tbh

Exactly.
My questions might seem like a silly repeat on the surface level, but there was more to it than that.
The real questions is still "WHY".
I get it, their answer was sufficient enough for why they became suspicious and all, but WHY did they just drop that questions in the thread as it was?

At this point this feels like a rabbit trail that's easy to pursue in place of real scumhunting.

Ok, question, I see that no one has actually made any coments on the content of my read, apart from Flippy saying "yo that would be a sick traitor strat" so could anyone think about the read on it's own?

He wants people to engage in scumhunting with him and is annoyed that they aren't. This is town.
(Fwiw Gypyx: I don't think your flippy-Traitor theory holds much weight. It's certainly

possible

, but I have no problems with the statement coming from town!flippy either. If it's true, it requires a lot of assumptions and is worth thinking about much later instead of right now.)

It means you missed half the thread where CooLDoG got so hung up on the N1 Vig meme claim that he was pushing for it to be lynched day 2... I advise reading it.

The fact in later posts you've been town reading CooLDoG despite him literally trying to set up a day 2 lynch already is suspicious to me.

There are so many more things you could have opinions on at this point, and yet you're still hung up on this to the detriment of having other opinions.

You weren't in my scum list friendo

Currently I have cooldog and notsci as potential scum for going in to night prep immediately.

Yeah... this isn't a good look at all.

I'll happily shift to an Espeonage wagon, though I'm still super suspicious of CooLDoG for the earlier stuff so my vote stays there for the time being. Both are good wagons.

Alright, there's another opinion, but this seems to be the only context for it. There's no real evidence that PD scumreads Espe outside of this. It's either scum or rather lazy play.

Ok, so now that Lickety is posting these are my thoughts.

PranaDevil is town
Gypyx is town
Hiraki is town
CoolDog is town
Hoopla is town

Espeonage is scum
Agar is scum
Notscience is scum

CoolDog read is conditioned on something I don’t want t reveal right now.

Renaissance town too. I forgot

This is decently close to where I I am at this point in time. I'm not really seeing PD-town or Hiraki-town yet and I have a mild townread on Espe, but everything else adds up.

[notscience]

I don’t really think it’s a secret I can’t get a footing in this game

[Gypyx]

Klick, could you try to organize your reads in a read list or something similar? It's quite hard to get your general thoughts about the game when everything is in a hugh wallpost

[notscience]

Literally at the end she says she agrees with gobbles reads

[Klick]

I'll be summarising at the end when I've read the whole thread
What NS said irt my current unfinished thoughts though

[notscience]

Also just saying it’s incredibly obvious the rotating door slot is town.

[Gypyx]

Wdym by rotating door slot?

[bob3141]

@notscience

Why'd you unvote? Do you suddenly think Turkey McScumfuck is town now? Is it based off of Gypyx's hesitance than vote? Why do you think that makes that S/T and not possibly S/S? What is your read on Una? Because if you think Turkey is town, and gypyx is scum, I want to know your read on the 3rd critical party to this whole mess.

So far from reading back from my last posts, up to the last post. Still to read the thread before then, wil do this weekend when i have time. Until then it just current affairs

But what is your read of him based on this. My gut feeling is that this post is more pressure to keep the gooble lynch going rather than you trying to sort notscience.


So do you town read or scum read science.


If you town read him then why attack him for unvotign rather than instead trying to push your case on gooble.

If scum then why do you appear to be more asking his opinion then pushign him to as why he unvoted.

[notscience]

Gyp- rennaklick22

[bob3141]

I'm assuming:

Emperor Flippynips
Unabombah
Gobbledygook
Hoopla
Klick

are all town.

easy game so far.

This is bad posting.

All three of my scum reads are on this list.

Who are your other sr’s besides me?

I'm still happy with Flippy, Hoopla or the Turkey at this stage.

Not the hardest reads to find considering I've deliberately not been pumping my post count through the roof by posting utter garbage posts like some people have been, nor splitting my responses to a handful of posts up into multiple responses when it could go into one post for easier ISO'ing later.

how about we all attempt a flippy speedlynch instead of dancing around the topic? seems like it's on everyone's mind.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: flippy nips

This is interesting too...

Hoopla says she wants a lynch decided by halfway through the day.... and now shifts where there is an actual wagon away to someone who is no longer being wagoned... that does not add up either.

I think I'm confident on my Hoopla Scum feeling and the fact she's trying to pull attention away from the turkey makes me happier there. I'm less certain about Flippy though considering that's where she's pushing now, but that could be a double bluff, and that gets into WIFOM territory right now, so I won't think much beyond it. I'm even happier about the roast dinner now than I was before though.

The premise of this posts makes no sense. Feels to much liek its been run through the wrangler to get desired position rather than an organic conclusion.


First bit looks like a indirect attempt to shade a persons posts and posts in the thread in general that differ from his projected view point. Feels like an attempt to marginalise players of different view points without even emphasizing rather than directly challenging them.




The second is just plain illogical. Making the fact a player might want another lynch to the one going a scummy thing feels liek a reach. Quite often a player will want another lynched simply because they feel better about the lynch. Its seems the player is trying to form a connection based on two unkowns.

Now if gooble had already flipped scum. Then maybe a push way would be suspect. But at the moment it just looks liek scum trying to push a scum case by trying to throw possible scum teams out there. Somethign ive seen done sveral times when town was on teh verge of mislynching. Or even about to lynch scum and they use the partner case. to guess what move teh lynch to the accused partner.


I will have to look at the gooble case but im not liking this ropping in of other players during such an early phase when we have no flips.

Why are you so sure this is s/s with no potential to be s/t. Ive pleanty of times town push against the the scum lynch.

[Battle Mage]

Also just saying it’s incredibly obvious the rotating door slot is town.

i'll reserve judgement on that for now

[Battle Mage]

V/LA until Sunday.

[brassherald]

There's only one vote since my previous VC, and I have a headache so, I'll just wait until tomorrow for next VC.

[Battle Mage]

but it was a BIG one....

[AGar]

Tryna cut down on quote walls, going to link more. Hope I don't fuck it up.

@bob

, re: 732 - case on Gobble is largely in 490, second quote and onwards. Followed up in 626. Addendum is now that GG has done absolutely fuckall to move anything forward since getting wagonned.

Re: 775 - don't like this post at all.

@notscience

, re: 778 - I don't see a case that I buy into on Una as scum, but you unvoted the leading wagon to make the gypyx wagon viable when there was another wagon rolling (Una). You never said that Scumfuck McTurkey is town, you just pinged on Gypyx in that moment, which is meh. It's late in the day, relatively speaking, because I do agree with Hoopla that we can't be finally wagonning to a claim with 24 hours until deadline, so to when there are viable wagons on A and B, and you go to C, I want to know where you're at on B.

@bob

, re: 840 The attack was to get a read on why he was leaving the wagon with no apparent change of anything by Gobble, to try and weakly push an unestablished wagon. I didn't try and push the case further because he had already been on the wagon and the only new addition to the case is GG has shut down and been non-productive in any facet since the wagon hit L-2/L-1 and he refused to claim. I null-read Notty right now. Had a town read earlier, severely dislike the gypyx flip on weak reasoning - a FoS was fine there by gypyx, imo, the intent was clearly stated, GG refused to claim, gypyx voted on. I've already gone over why I doubled back off the gypyx read and I'm not seeing anything that's changed my mind. Still don't love traitor spec but I can agree that I probably read too much into it and it was NAI.

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I fucking found the horizontal rule code! Fucking FINALLY!

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I reeeally don't like the Nips wagon's quick escalation.

^what are your scum reads?

Espe and Gobble. Slight discomfort with Hoops?

This took a weird amount of time to respond to.

14 minutes during the middle of my work day is a weird amount of time? Am I really gonna have to set a schedule so shit like this doesn't get brought up weakly?

[Klick]

Middle of your work day is a valid excuse! Based on the surrounding posts I assumed you were just... around, and therefore the pause looked odd.

I'm up to page 21, I'll be finished in the next hour or two.

[AGar]

Middle of your work day is a valid excuse! Based on the surrounding posts I assumed you were just... around, and therefore the pause looked odd.

I'm up to page 21, I'll be finished in the next hour or two.

Basically from 8:30 AM until 6:30 PM Eastern (depends on what time I wake up and if I take a lunch), I'll post sporadically on my iPad while working. Means I can't format shit, and multi-screening isn't available, and I might be in the depths of Speakeasy for all I know.