Open 794 Pick Your Power X/Y (finished)

[word321]

I was actually in the fence with bot Datisi and her, nad also gutread Ico as scum in general
But I didnt like neither Datisis Traingle nor his posts in general, nor the recent change to Gypyx
Also,

Numbers

VOTE: Datisi

[Datisi]

But I didnt like neither Datisis Traingle nor his posts in general, nor the recent change to Gypyx

what did you not like about them? as opposed to my previous posts? also the change to gypyx is bad because...?

Also,

Numbers

?

[word321]

numbers, as there is further support from u picking in particular 1 for the draft, wich I wont talk about further

[word321]

for the focus on lhf; both gypyx and username fill the role to some degree. The only scumlean I actually ackowledge to some point is umlaut, in the sense that it is not as easy to push in ur triangle.
On the other hand, gypyx has shown to be generally unresponsive, or at least pushed against the wall, as with time and content. I dnt think that is particularly scum indicative by itself, without resting actual merit to the possibility of scum; but what I find worse in that, is the focus on said slot

[Datisi]

for the focus on lhf; both gypyx and username fill the role to some degree. The only scumlean I actually ackowledge to some point is umlaut, in the sense that it is not as easy to push in ur triangle.
On the other hand, gypyx has shown to be generally unresponsive, or at least pushed against the wall, as with time and content. I dnt think that is particularly scum indicative by itself, without resting actual merit to the possibility of scum; but what I find worse in that, is the focus on said slot

hooookay oh boy

"focus" on lhf? oh look the people that are acting scummy are in your scumpool?? as if i'm not sorting other players???
username and gypyx. okay first of all i didn't even push username. how am i focusing on him?? and why do you acknowledge the scumread on umlaut? what makes him oh so much harder to push than the others?

gypyx is unresponsive yes. his reply to my earlier prodding was bad. (then he dissapeared but let's call that NAI.) then he returns with a promise of catchup but only talks about mech/numbers and a random scumping on tw from like 10 pages ago that was never explained. that is not scum indicative? you *don't* see a problem there?

also again, how am i "focusing" on him? i made a naked vote there lmao, how tf is that FoCuS

[word321]

username i kinda get the feeling that he's trying to avoid looking fake-busy (if that makes sense) but in turn i have almost no idea what his thoughts on the game are and his "pushes" so far just feel weirdly nitpicky and bad vibes all around.

gypyx started Not Good and now he's dissapeared and idk.

This seems to server ur main explanation to 2 of ur 3 most scumreads among ur triangle; u virtually have only switched ur vote from Gypyx for umlaut when he was absent enough and switched back as soon as he was "back" with no activity (wich still is virtually the same situation as not contributive to the game state in general), most of ur early questions have been dispersed and informative (as in specifying information, not much as with alignment intetnion begind from my perceptionn). That would kind of resume what I think makes me have the gut feeling that u r more scum than town.

[word321]

and focus as in votes and active scumlist more than focus in gamestyle

[Datisi]

describing my gypyx votes as solely for his inactivity/non contributing is not accurate

also again i never pushed username *and* his position on my list has nothing to do with his activity?

did you know that... sometimes... lhf... is scum... wild huh...

also you didn't answer why you're ~acknowledging the umlaut scumread~

[the worst]

i'm behind on this & playing marathons
interested in people's datisi reads because i sure won't be updating mine for a minute

[Green Crayons]

I have an issue that I have a too many scum reads this game, which usually doesn't happen to me

I’m feeling pretty numb on alignment so looking forward to these Hot Takes.

[Umlaut]

There is something I dislike about this but I'm not sure how much of it is just that the post ends with a vote on me.

hmm lets test it out;

...


at the best of times, it takes me a while to really sink my teeth into a game (even one's without distracting mechanics). some of that stems from pessimism about D1 inaccuracy. like, i know you have to "fake it til you make it", so to speak, with early reads but ugh. townhunting i find somewhat easier d1, but like you, i tend to end up with a lot of null reads.

i've come to accept that that's okay on D1.

my de facto coping mechanism is aggressive bandwagoning on non-town reads. after a while, real information (wagons/claims etc) seep into the game and i find it easier.

VOTE: iconeum

Much better!

(My slowpoke.jpg aimed at Clover keeps getting more and more ironic)

[Umlaut]

Actually I unironically like the Iconeum wagon, 530 kind of sold me on it and I feel pretty good about both Grumpy and Hoopla for town (GC I'm more eh about but not explicitly scumreading)

VOTE: Iconeum

[DrDolittle]

all right boys I'm here

[DrDolittle]

really dislike this post. "I don't think you should be townread" in particular is a phrase that feels distinctly scummy to me, there's like an undertone of bitterness to it, like DrDolittle is annoyed that people have correctly identified Hoopla as town for reasons that DrD finds erroneous.
it's like a funhouse mirror version of 'you caught me for the wrong reasons'.

No I'm calling it out as it is. I fixed the quote for you "DrDolittle is annoyed that people have

correctly

identified Hoopla as town for reasons that DrD finds erroneous." And it is true. I don't think hoopla is townie at all for a variety of reasons.

I think mech effort is more scum indicative than town indicative.

Frankly, I'm offended :X

No this is not a jab at you S_S. I was just thinking about what I would do as scum this game. At the planning phase, I would go into past games, get the list of scummy-numbers and frequency and figure out what are optimal numbers to pick with my team. Instead I just took a percursory glance to understand how the game is played and what drafting means. Thus, I think conditional on having the data ready, I'm more inclined to think that hoopla is scum.

This statement is in fact context driven by virtue of the setup.

ugh i feel like i have too many "null but kinda scummy" slots right now

hoopla, do you have any non-mech reads/hot takes to offer

this game needs more content

My views rn aligns with Dats a lot?

Oh cool, more pages.

Page 9:

• Feel like GrumpyCat is towning up. 211 is good analysis.
  
• 218 is good mech work but I hope reads are generally going to be strong enough to outweigh things like that (but then Hoopla says that too in 219[/post).
  
• S_S reaction to Hoopla's vote pings me but I can't say why, maybe it's just confbias speaking.

Page 10:

• Okay, I didn't realize how serious Hoopla was about the plan to kill from the top of the draft list. More reasonable for S_S to take it seriously as something to discuss in that case.
  
• Actually I'm more agreeing with S_S' side of the PR importance debate.
  
• TW completely missing in [post]230 that GC answered his question makes me wonder if TW actually cares about the answer as much as he's acting.
  
• 243 - did you ever go further into what's wrong with calling S_S' post "fake"? Because I kind of vibed with that description.

Page 11:

• I don't think anyone actually wants to play this game as a pure logic puzzle and I don't think there's any need to repeatedly say "let's not do that" as if there were any risk of it happening.
  
• Re. 258, I'm reluctant to take Clover's question seriously as a towntell. Town got burned badly in a recent game I was in by a less experienced player doing just that (asking a lot of "questions like these" about mechanics and whether scum could talk during the day etc., purely for the sake of looking town).
  
• DrDoolittle wifoming the setup analysis bothers me. Like in 265, do you actually think that's something scum would do purely to throw us off, vs. the chance to claim an additional PR (and potentially deprive town of one as well)? I just don't see how you can actually think this is a thing scum decides to do.
  Considers
  sure,
  actually does
  no.

Okay I caught up with my last catch-up so now it's time for lunch! At this rate I'm sure I'll be fully caught-up any week now.

I was actually originally planning to snip the analysis, but I can't shake at how bad I feel about this. There is the entire combination of Umlaut is just stating the game and recycling opinions that have been reiterated, and especially that set of reads on page 10. I read it, and reread it, and maybe I'm just not stating it correctly but there's no substance or conviction behind the posts -- in fact the strongest stance is "bothering me"? Well, this post is definitely doing that.

feel like one of DDL, S_S, and Datisi gotta be scum enjoying the free conversation generator that is Hoopla's number theory

this makes no sense. generating conversation is a good thing. The most antitown game is a stagnant one. Unless you think we are coasting off pure mechtalk, which I don't think is true.

[DrDolittle]

feel like one of DDL, S_S, and Datisi gotta be scum enjoying the free conversation generator that is Hoopla's number theory

why do I not fit in the list?

why do I feel this underlying warmth/sincerity in words' posts..
is this what a tonal townread is????
it's been so long, I missed youuu

why do I feel this underlying warmth/sincerity in tw's posts..

seriously though I think word and tw are likely both town.

[DrDolittle]

"hey that's what i was thinking"

hi

btw @Umlaut where do you read that Hoopla has ever been not serious this game?

[Umlaut]

I mean like I could make up some fresh hot takes to impress everyone with my original and unique perspective but overall I think it's probably better to just say what I actually think instead.

[Umlaut]

btw @Umlaut where do you read that Hoopla has ever been not serious this game?

I thought (1) that Hoopla's initial post 14 was just goofing around, and (2) that that was what S_S was responding to. I'm not sure about the first but the second was definitely not the case.

[DrDolittle]

why is the iamausername wagon taking off?

in my eyes, his posting seems in keeping with his usual d1 town meta; low-activity, but offers piecemeal observations, and interesting soundbites.

i suspect his posting style may not jive with this crowd.

i think that's in keeping with his style. he tends to focus on unique/specific things instead of dropping recycled platitudes.

for example, his commentary (summarised in post 160) about something_smart's strange timing about criticising my "plan" was a good observation.

I think... these posts are townie?! don't think scum really makes this post to defend town or a scum partner.

imusername's takes are too selective. Like, he's taking special care to criticise very specific things which he thinks look good to poke at or are reasonable to. The lack of ~feels~ or big picture takes is generally scum-indicative.

^ GC that's largely my issue on the username as well. But I want to take it a bit further -- I don't think these specific takes are damning at all, and if anything a bit overreaching by the way of how smoking-gun-ish username pushes them. I remember Gamma Emerald doing this various times as scum in the large theme and I incorrectly townread him for it.

not really actually

gypyx is scum

iamasuername is a good wagon for the moment, and hoopla's response to it was... off

i've a couple small townreads, which are based more on gut then anything else

and i've been open about everything so you should have no problem reading me at all

This reminds me more of town ico rather scum ico. Scum ico pushes hard one read, whereas town ico is more aware of the general gamestate.


Pedit: Umlaut, I would appreciate if you can

make

come up some fresh hot takes to impress everyone with my original and unique perspective, but even not some lukewarm originality would help me sort your slot better

[DrDolittle]

this is a correct observation. i have said nothing about townreads.

i have found myself feeling a lot of agreement with Umlaut's posts and i Do Not Get the wagon on him.

i like Hoopla. it doesn't feel like she's twisting the data to push any particular agenda to me.

i don't know if i'm entirely on board with the consensus that Clover's opening post was a town tell, but for some reason 386 makes me think he's town. like "i want to scumread X but i'm going to wait and see if anyone else does first" super reads like a scum thought process to me, but because he's straight up posting it in the thread, i don't think it can be? it's not like he's accidentally letting a mask slip and revealing his nefarious ways, he's openly admitting to them like it's no big deal.

Datisi and the worst both feel like they are genuinely trying to discern alignments here also.

those are the people i feel like i have more than a null read on.

what interesting things do you think i'm ignoring? i will happily provide commentary on up to three (3) interesting things of your choice.

This seems soooooo contrived after ico and cat called you out booooooo. Like the "I like Umlaut" is just false -- as he even himself says he has nothing new to add. The hoopla has no agenda and thus is town read seems also very forced. Does the three interesting things apply to me? I'm more interested in your read on the state of the game rather than going from these minutiae details to sweeping generalizations. Which posts of Umlaut do you agree with? Which posts suggest that hoopla has no agenda? why does my previous reasons to hoopla not apply as a possible "agenda"?

do you see me townreading gypyx anywhere????

like i know it's bad. but i also know the utility of me voting there or screaming at them right now is zero (0)

Why?

Was my vote on Green missed? Ah well, I don't mind joining this
VOTE: Dr Dolittle

After catching up on the thread, your "joining" makes even less sense. What are your reads?

Actually I unironically like the Iconeum wagon, 530 kind of sold me on it and I feel pretty good about both Grumpy and Hoopla for town (GC I'm more eh about but not explicitly scumreading)

VOTE: Iconeum

hmm I actually don't like either of the Ico/Dats wagons.

[DrDolittle]

here to dance if anyone wants to chat

[DrDolittle]

VOTE: username

[DrDolittle]

even if you are town, how do you know scum players haven't thought about your line, and have players like you in the lobby to provide them with free defense?

independently, I don't buy this line of thinking, and I don't think you should be townread for suggesting it.

really dislike this post. "I don't think you should be townread" in particular is a phrase that feels distinctly scummy to me, there's like an undertone of bitterness to it, like DrDolittle is annoyed that people have correctly identified Hoopla as town for reasons that DrD finds erroneous.
it's like a funhouse mirror version of 'you caught me for the wrong reasons'.

& i feel like S_S has acquitted himself adequately. the post that originally bothered me makes more sense knowing he was describing 67 as a 'plan' and not talking about Hoopla's initial entry. his eagerness to jump into theory discussions where, as scum, he doesn't have to lie about his true feelings is still a little concerning, but he's hardly alone on that front in this game.

VOTE: DrDolittle

I think mech effort is more scum indicative than town indicative.

Frankly, I'm offended :X

whats a lhf

[DrDolittle]

f these ghost quotes are everywhere

[DrDolittle]

Actually I unironically like the Iconeum wagon, 530 kind of sold me on it and I feel pretty good about both Grumpy and Hoopla for town (GC I'm more eh about but not explicitly scumreading)

VOTE: Iconeum

umlaut what do you think about ico's response 4 or 5 posts after to 530?