Open 804: Popcorn Mafia Redux [Game Over!]

[Imperium]

You never did actually call him town directly yes that's my point
The impression of anyone reading that wall without context would be that you townread the slot
Because why would you go so out of your way to defend someone who is null?

The purpose of the wall was to attack the reads on him. We're going out of our way to attack the reads on him because we believe that we will be able to get better reads on the people pushing him (and maybe we will see something in Norfolk as a result).

The side effect of that attack is that Norfolk gets some protection from us but that doesn't mean we think he's town and it doesn't mean that defense was the main purpose of our posting.

[Imperium]

That wall is a giant fencesit basically if you're not committing to call Norfolk town

That wall isn't a read on Norfolk. It is outlining issues with the people pushing him. If you think it's a read on Norfolk then you'll be sorely disappointed on the lack of conclusions in that wall. If you read the wall you would have realized this.

[Imperium]

That's like saying "I don't understand townreads on Joe Schmo"
And then later going "Actually by the way I'm not declaring a read on Joe Schmo at all."

It doesn't connect logically.

Not understanding a townread on someone means you aren't townreading them.

It doesn't mean you are scumreading them. It means that you aren't townreading them.

[unwnd]

I don't think that everyone believes you're defending Norfolk Imperium

At least, I didn't get that observation. The way I see this argument right now is kinda Cakez insinuating behavior through the lense of 'oh, you're just excusing yourself and in turn this is scummy', meanwhile, you think Cakez is badfaithing you on the notion of not being able to see that you're not trying to make an excuse.

It's a very roundabout argument between the two of you where nobody wins

[Imperium]

Then that logically implies you believe the opposite thing.

Like that's not a crazy connection to make????

It wouldn't be a crazy connection to make of three possibilities didn't exist. But null reads do exist.

[Imperium]

I don't think that everyone believes you're defending Norfolk Imperium

At least, I didn't get that observation. The way I see this argument right now is kinda Cakez insinuating behavior through the lense of 'oh, you're just excusing yourself and in turn this is scummy', meanwhile, you think Cakez is badfaithing you on the notion of not being able to see that you're not trying to make an excuse.

It's a very roundabout argument between the two of you where nobody wins

I wrote my clarification post because last night dunn claimed rabid defense, and then today tell's guy claimed it was defense and something when I clarified to dunn that I didn't know his alignment. Which cakez responded was a badpedal and a lie due to me previously town reading him which led us here.

[Imperium]

Why do you/Tammy think people are "so confident" on Norfolk?
Not anywhere in this thread have i seen people expressing overtly confident scumreads on Norfolk

This isn't a significant part of our issue with people pushing Norfolk, but a read that is strong enough where you ask someone to vote with you on it is a read that is strong enough to be scrutinized.

[Imperium]

This is why Imperium's defense is so bizarre to me.

What about our defense did you dislike?
What part of it was unreasonable?

It feels very unearned
Why are you going in to save someone so hard who (at the time) had made four posts?

You didn't answer either of our questions here.

I feel like I have answered this.
Nothing content wise in the defense was bad.
I'm looking at it in the context of the game.

You still have not addressed it. Waiting for specifics and "in the context of the game" is not specifics.

What part of the defense did you dislike in the context of the game? What part of the defense was unreasonable in the context of the game?

[Imperium]

I thought posture meant setting up positions artificially in a way that is looking to help yourself in the game state.

I;e someone refusing to declare a read on a popular wagon that is imminently going to flip

If posture is setting up positions, then how in the sweet shiny Jesus is not taking a position posturing?

[RLotus]

Town: Mush, Imperium, Whemestar, STT
Shoot Immediately: Duchess

[Imperium]

Uhhhh I never declared him my top SR or for him to be shot.
It's because it seems to be the only things people want to talk about. Just now I tried to step away from it and again got dragged back into it by Mush and you. I don't want to press this point anymore.

You haven't declared him your top scumread but you've implied that he's your top scumread. If you're arguing otherwise you just really want me to fall to the dark side.

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You asked how you centered your game about Norfolk.

I pointed out how you had Norfolk as top SR for a while and talked a lot about him.

You then seemed to argue that you didn't have Norfolk as a top SR because you didn't explicitly say it which is a bananas argument to make.

[SirCakez]

I am not making another post about Norfolk until he posts again or something materially changes otherwise
This is a waste of time and other people need to talk

[RLotus]

I really want to see Rock talk more.

[Imperium]

I'd like to see more from him too.

[Imperium]

I am not making another post about Norfolk until he posts again or something materially changes otherwise
This is a waste of time and other people need to talk

I don't need you to respond to every post that I make, but I do need you to read them. I would like a response to #507.

[Imperium]

And an ACTUAL response to #507 where you make an effort to explain where you're coming from, not the throwaway "replying for the sake of replying" stuff that I've been getting so far.

[Duchess]

unwnd. Whemestar has hardly been posting since our last interaction. There are at least two posts I addressed to him on my list of pursuits tonight that he ignored, so I will be following up on those later. Last night I was mainly distracted by my interactions with Mushshagana and Imperium, and this morning I only had a short window of time to finish catching up.

[Duchess]

RLotus. You say I am scummy for saying Whemestar's early play was an act. You yourself said he was being LAMIST. These are the same thing. Please explain yourself.

I have absolutely given original thoughts. If someone has a similar thought to me, I would not simply state my own opinion without trying to collaborate or brainstorm with that person. But to say that I have not given any original thoughts when you are the one who seems to have the biggest problem with them is a scummy push.

[Duchess]

RLotus. How often do you see players of either alignment committing to any reads in their first post?

Not usually. I never said or thought that you were committed to your reads, if that is what you are implying.

I haven't seen anyone but you and Wheme talk about Duchess posting fluff. I'm seeing the opposite there. You'll need to explain how it's fluffy.

I'm mainly referring to their first post about how everyone should vote. It looks meant to appear as if they are invested in the game without actually committing to any reads.

You do not believe this push. What you are saying does not make sense.

[RLotus]

RLotus. You say I am scummy for saying Whemestar's early play was an act. You yourself said he was being LAMIST. These are the same thing. Please explain yourself.

I just explained this to you

[RLotus]

I have absolutely given original thoughts. If someone has a similar thought to me, I would not simply state my own opinion without trying to collaborate or brainstorm with that person. But to say that I have not given any original thoughts when you are the one who seems to have the biggest problem with them is a scummy push.

Virtually everything you have contributed have been questioning without stating any opinions, or piggybacking on other people's push

[RLotus]

You do not believe this push. What you are saying does not make sense.

another empty read

[Duchess]

I don't like this one bit. Cakez seems way too concerned about how his reads are perceived, like he doesn't want to risk knocking over something he has carefully constructed.

Another read on the back of mush.

I don't understand what the next step is in this line of thinking. This response was very quick, but I fail to see how it connects to your conclusion.

Another vague/half hearted read in an attempt to OMGUS. It really just looks like you are pushing where is convenient as opposed to having your own convictions.

Where did Mush talk about that post or present any of the same specific thoughts regarding it? I'd like you to show me please.

That is not a read at all, I am obviously prompting you to explain yourself. I would still like an explanation as to why unwnd's entry gave you the idea that I am the Godfather?

[Duchess]

RLotus. You say I am scummy for saying Whemestar's early play was an act. You yourself said he was being LAMIST. These are the same thing. Please explain yourself.

I just explained this to you

You are missing what I am saying. I saw your explanation. I am not near satisfied. Read my words. You called him LAMIST. I called it an act. These are the same thing. This makes me scummy, and it makes you...?

[RLotus]

Where did Mush talk about that post or present any of the same specific thoughts regarding it? I'd like you to show me please.

He did not mention that post in particular but he said that he scum reads cakez. And then you come in to give a generic uninspired read about cakez, like how you did with every scum read you have given, well except the one on me.

That is not a read at all, I am obviously prompting you to explain yourself. I would still like an explanation as to why unwnd's entry gave you the idea that I am the Godfather?

I explained it to netflix when they questioned me about it. It is like you aren't actually trying to evaluate the things I've said but trying to push back on me to defend yourself.