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[Anya]

@Anya why are you suspicious enough of monkey's desire to read dunnstral that you're voting him, but didn't bother to comment when i was so desperate for info from T3?

i don't remember that but probably the tone

[VFP]

I feel like T3 is trying to avoid me.

VOTE: T3
Talk to me about who's scum!
Are you scum reading Ivy or Anya?

[Dunnstral]

For now, I want everyone to declare what they're doing and what their motive is. I'll go first.

Nothing and I don't have a motive

I'm leaning town on Ivyeo for the reaction to what geraintm posted (regardless of geraintm alignment)

As for geraintm, it would have been towny if this was the first instance of them doing this, but it's not, so it isn't. They can easily be copying what they did as town, as scum here.

So when can I expect you to start doing... you know, something?

VOTE: Dunnstral

cheap vote the sort i'd find in a discount store having a summer sale

VOTE: Egix

I would appreciate more from you, Dunn. I have no idea where you are on each players and the events that came about. Please man. I need to sort you.

VOTE: monkeyhuman

this banana's desperation to read Dunnstral is more motivation than most people have towards life goals i don't believe it

[Egix96]

I've been having a look through Ivyeo.
Although her early posts this game don't leave a good first impression, and it did take some pressure for her to start laying out her reads (227), I quite like the attitude she shows in 311 and 420.
Not just in a vacuum, but I also had a look through her D1 posts in Creatures. Although she does show an "attitude" in posts such as here and here, it feels like quite a different kind. For that, I'm thinking she's maybe town here.

can you be a bit more specific about what you see in ivy's scum play in creatures vs her play in this game? what do you mean by "attitude"? i agree with the points you make about her this game, but to me the two posts you linked from the other game don't feel markedly less hostile or aggressive, or very divergent in general from her playstyle here.

It's like, when I got to the "we want to execute our most likely scum do we not?" part, I felt like, "oh, that feels different". Similarly for the first line of the latter post, the tone of that part just felt different.

"different" isn't a super helpful qualifier here. more aggressive? less? more to the point? stating the obvious? i want to know

what

is different in your eyes

The posts from the Newbie game just felt more... insidious, I guess I would say?
In all honesty though, this doesn't seem like a very productive line of questioning and I get the feeling you're trying to look curious for the sake of it.

[geraintm]

I am actively trying to be different, you can see it in my last game too.

So I should consider you as scum then?

consider me sure, why not.

you'll be wrong but there is no reason you shouldnt consider the possibility i am scum

gerain's return does not do much to convince me here. VFP, do you have past experience to suggest that gerain wouldn't claim VT unnecessarily? he even said he's deliberately attempting to vary his playstyle game to game, which is usually not a town play. though i do concede there's a certain boldness in admitting it outright

no, not game to game. think of it more as a break

gerain

still looks like scum to me. i think giving him a pass for being self aware/claiming VT(?) is a bit of a cop out. i didn't notice it at first but 606 contains a dismissive "10 nulls and 2 i don't knows" which equals 12 players, meaning gerain probably isn't actually bothering to even

try

and read people or engage with the game. if he were being serious about this, odds are he would at least have bothered to subtract a null read to account for himself as a player whose alignment he knows. i don't like this slot.

i really need to be more obvious with what i am saying if they went whoosh over your head...

i have repeatedly said i don't like day 1s, i think people making great claims about their reads is full of fluff, and my normal method of progressing my reads depends upn known votes, the outcomes of votes, following known townies.
why would i fake reads on people today - that is just not me...

heres a scalding hot take

gerain is actually probably going to flip town pr

You may think that, but I couldn't possibly comment....

Wait, I did! I have no role beyond vanilla townie!

okay this is extremely strange. as either alignment, don't you want to stick with that? even if you're vt? if you're scum, that's good for you because as soon as a tpr claim goes out d1 you're out of everyone's lynch pool. if you're town, that's good for you because you're more likely to draw a nk, which is a good thing if you're a vt

the point of this post completely eludes me. i think i'll have to come back to this in a bit

sorry, im really confused by your understanding of my post.
i basically aid in the first part that i didn't want to either confirm or deny the theory that i might be a power role.

and then in the second part i reverd that and confirmed my previous claim that i am a vanilla townie.

[Cook]

got vaccined today my arm horts troo much for reading thius crap

pfizer gang??? my arm hurt like a bitch for like two days after

you have been recruited into the pfizer neighborhood

[Cook]

Votecount #6, Day One

Osuka (1): bugspray
humaneatingmonkey (2): geraintm, Anya

geraintm (3): Umlaut, InsidiousLemons, Ivyeo

VFP (1): osuka
InsidiousLemons (1): Egix96
T3 (1): VFP

With 12 alive it takes 7 to flip.
(expired on 2021-05-23 09:33:00) until deadline.

Umlaut V/LA until Saturday

[geraintm]

Votecount #6, Day One

Osuka (1): bugspray
humaneatingmonkey (2): geraintm, Anya

geraintm (3): Umlaut, InsidiousLemons, Ivyeo

VFP (1): osuka
InsidiousLemons (1): Egix96
T3 (1): VFP

With 12 alive it takes 7 to flip.
(expired on 2021-05-23 09:33:00) until deadline.

Umlaut V/LA until Saturday

my god, today is going to end in a terrible eviction.

[humaneatingmonkey]

maybe not, gerain. I'm gonna try and push Egix or bugspray today if you want in on it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'll attempt to be productive tonight, but que sera sera

[humaneatingmonkey]

ok maybe i need to re-read the thread first

[humaneatingmonkey]

Seems like the type of game where at least one scum is lurking

[humaneatingmonkey]

That means nothing because a lot of the players are doing active lurking as well.

This is why lurking is anti-town guys.

[Anya]

VOTE: bugspray

fiiine reading over the cannister they're 10% hit and 90% miss

[Egix96]

I'm fine with voting bugspray, but I'd rather yeet Lemons or Dunn.

[T3]

Not sure about Ivy. I scumread Anya. First there was Anya's vote on bugspray and there was also the "I don't remember probably the tone" which seemed like scum trying to justify a weak read.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay let's go. It's less than 3 days before deadline and we haven't really locked into 2 wagons yet. Let's put this game into gear 2. VOTE: bugspray

This doesn't mean I'm done tonight. I'm still trying to put together some thoughts.

[T3]

I don't scumread bugspray but I also didn't like Anya's vote. I think a town/scumflip would give us more info. VOTE: bug

[Egix96]

I don't scumread bugspray but I also didn't like Anya's vote.

Yet you vote bugspray anyway??

[Ivyeo]

Bugspray Osuka and Geraintin are who'd I'd be willing to vote into today.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i was productive. wait up.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm trying to tryhard but I think I can sum up my opinions very concisely in bullet points. i'm never gonna finish if i link every impression, so you can ask that later. but it's good that it's up here so that it can be useful. consider this a collective thing that we can prove/disprove. whatever.

Andante/VFP
• engaged in the game
• transparent and consistent process
• hasn't slipped in perspective
• hasn't demonstrated that they're PR hunting
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense
take: probably town. not gonna consider lynching d1.

Anya
• skirting in the sidelines
• transparent and consistent process
• hasn't slipped in perspective
• i can't characterize their early setup spec as PR hunting
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense.
take: unsure with a slight town bias. not gonna consider lynching d1.

bugspray
• skirting in the sidelines
• surprisingly consistent but opaque process
• hasn't slipped in perspective
• i don't know if i can characterize their early setup spec as PR hunting
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense.
take: unsure. very unsure. dare i say with a slight town bias. i almost want to lynch this for being tough to read, but that's not how you play this game.

Dunnstral
• biggest lurker in this game
• not only is it inconsistent it's also opaque
• hasn't slipped in perspective (probably because they haven't talked)
• the way he interacted with Anya's early setup spec standed out as very specific — like it's PR hunting
• hasn't overexpained anything in their defense (because they haven't talked)
take: unsure with heavy scum bias. this is my "lurker lynch" in d1.

Egix96
• looks engaged, but not really. ("I'm willing to admit, it does feel a bit like he's in commentary mode.")
• transparent but inconsistent process. (very notable thing is that he doesn't move his vote/convictions until it's been seconded by someone else and it doesn't feel like he has his own process.)
• i don't empathize with his perspective
• hasn't demonstrated that they're PR hunting
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense.
take: probably scum. this is one of two of my "probably scum" lynch in d1.

geraintm
• second biggest lurker in the game
• transparent and consistent process (his ground is fucking solid)
• hasn't slipped in perspective (his ground is fucking solid)
• hasn't demonstrated that they're PR hunting.
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense. (again, his ground is fucking solid)
take: disgustingly unsure with a slight town bias. not gonna consider lynching d1.

InsidiousLemons
• engaged in the game
• transparent but inconsistent process
• hasn't slipped in perspective
• hasn't demonstrated that they're PR hunting
• has a habit of overexplaining in their defense, but im not sure if it's incoherent.
take: unsure with a wildcard bias. guy's a good ally if he's town. guy's a dangerous scum if he's scum. almost want to lynch just to flip this slot, but that's not how you play this game.

Ivyeo
• engaged in the game
• transparent and consistent process
• hasn't slipped in perspective
• hasn't demonstrated that they're PR hunting
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense.
take: probably town. not gonna consider lynching d1.

osuka
• looks engaged, but not really (bugs is spot on #220)
• inconsistent and opaque process (hostile, but not really trying to scumhunt. called me scum — DIDNT VOTE ME)
• has slipped in perspective when he chainsaw defended Lemons
• has demonstrated that they're PR hunting (called out gerain as PR, for no good reason)
• has incoherently overexplained in their defenses
take: probably scum. this is one of two of my "probably scum" lynch in d1.

T3
• skirting in the sidelines
• opaque but consistent process
• hasn't slipped in perspective
• hasn't demonstrated that they're PR hutning
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense.
take: unsure with a heavy town bias. not gonna consider lynching d1.

Umlaut
• engaged in the game (when he was here)
• opaque process (keeps his cards close)
• hasn't slipped in perspective
• hasn't demonstrated that they're PR hunting
• isn't incoherently overexplaining in their defense
take: unsure with a heavy town bias. not gonna consider lynching d1

[humaneatingmonkey]

If I can recall correctly, this is the most viable wagon outside the lurkers. People have declared intent to vote here. Prove it. VOTE: osuka

Let's start the toxic road to E-1.

[Ivyeo]

take: unsure with a wildcard bias. guy's a good ally if he's town. guy's a dangerous scum if he's scum. almost want to lynch just to flip this slot, but that's not how you play this game.

How would you evaluate the benefit in teh info gained by flipping the slot compared to hitting a scum today?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Info gained by flipping the slot of a person I think is scum is better than flipping the slot of someone I'm just unsure about.