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I townlean him and yes, I got scared.In post 1975, Tanner wrote:do you actually townread vp and you got scared i was gonna hammer him because of it or....?- Tanner
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maybe vp really is such an airhead he missed his partner trying to theatre with him after they agreed in the pt that they will theatre lol
i asked you how were your reads looking like from memory then, you never answered... kinda wish i pressed further at the timeIn post 748, VP Baltar wrote:I don't think I said I town read imaginality, did I? My memory feels like he was a bit middle of the pack to me
mmm. so from town!imag perspective, he would see scum!baltar proposing imag/baltar/darby. wouldn't it then follow that darby is town? like, this comes right after he calls my pre-flip flip read associate darby town case a waste of time because he didn't want darby with him and baltar. not because my logic of "scum would want a 2 town 1 scum" is incorrect.In post 777, imaginality wrote:And as I mentioned in my wall, remember also VP was aiming for me, him, DArby at the Wall so if DArby is town I think DArby was the intended mislim for that mini game.
also, my post on why darby slot is town was fucking brilliant and the fact that like 2/3rds of the game jumped on it to tell me it's nonsense should've been a sign it was good
at imag's wallpost 971, i forgot to eat dinner again, be back in a bit.your eyes on the city.- RH9
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Still like 40 pages behind but I am at this exact moment going through Luke's ISO and picking out interesting posts to comment on. So this is not a vague "I'll probably get to it later" like my last post lol. I'm half-working at the moment though so the final result of that may come later considering Luke has like 260 posts.Hey!- Tanner
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And in particular your previous two posts are also "I'm about to catch up" and "I'm about to catch up".- implosion
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I guess specifically I want to hear your opinions on my posting and RH9's posting since you've last commented, since the Wall is where you are.- numberQ
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Results of hyperskimming his first 200 posts:
First off, kudos to Luke I guess because he has a very town looking ISO for most of the game.
Anyway I am going to focus on my minigame, because I've been very unplugged from the Gate this whole time so I feel my current efforts are better placed here. Then I can look at Gate stuff later if need be.
Luke was pretty good at giving reads to all three of us at the Wall. Here's where he talks about implo:
Spoiler: implo talking
Almost entirely townreading implo. No boat rocking here.
Spoiler: Toog talking
Again, almost entirely townreading Toog.
He townreads me as well except for one post where he analyzes the location makeups, but I closed that tab already so I don't have the quote handy. That location analysis isn't really even a SR on me though? Regardless, I'm not going to linger here because I know I'm town.
The interesting bits happen once RH9 reps in. I won't quote everything because I'm really short on time right now and have to run, but go to the second page of Luke's ISO and ctrl+F "RH9". He starts scumreading him hard, a total reversal from his Toog read. Which is normally fine, it's a new player so a new read makes sense. But what does scum!Luke gain from going after scum!RH9 so hard? Luke was in the hardest game for scum to win, and RH9 is in the easiest game for scum to win. Not sure it really makes for scum!Luke to work on trading those odds.
If I was scum in the Keep I'd probably just consider it a lost cause and do my best to muddy associations. And my final thought for now is, wait, is that literally what Luke did and I'm falling for it?
I'm like 15 minutes past when I should have stopped so this is to be continued. Things to do: investigate RH9 and implo more closely.Hey!- RH9
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it's past 1 am, and the past... 3 hours i have been doing literally anything i can to procrastinate this game. but, i've just noticed something... weird.
this was imag discussing my "both imag and vp wanted imag/vp/darby, we know there's 1 scum in imag/darby, therefore darby is probably town because scum wouldn't be buddying 2 of themselves together". imag dismissed my idea, but not because talk is cheap, because he did not want darby with the two of them.In post 777, imaginality wrote:And another quick thing. I wasn't in favour of DArby joining me and VP so that speculation about both me and VP wanting that was a big waste of time.
I proposed Toogeloo as the third in post 275 and then argued against DArby and for Tanner being the third in post 314. On the other hand VP initially proposed DArby as the third and only said 'maybe swap DArby for Tanner' so it's not like Tanner was his first pick for the third slot.
And as I mentioned in my wall, remember also VP was aiming for me, him, DArby at the Wall so if DArby is town I think DArby was the intended mislim for that mini game.
now, town!imag would know that vp is scum, so even if he found my idea bad because imag didn't want darby there... shouldn't he still find darby town from it? because from his pov, he has scum!vp arranging a trip of vp/imag/darby. yet that's not really the conclusion.
due to these parts of the wall in 971, you can't argue that imaginality didn't believe in "scum!vp could be purposefully putting buddies together", since he used the arguments of "vp wanted these players at different locations than himself" as +scum points.In post 971, imaginality wrote:This seems very plausibly like buddies not wanting any connections between them. Note also that VP's proposed setup always had numberQ in a different game to him.
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numberQ and Toogeloo both look very plausible as buddies. VP had both numberQ and Toogeloo at a separate location to himself so I don't think we can distinguish between them that way
in this post, imag once again talks about the fact that vp wanted a vp/imag/darby location. he even proposes to flip the keep first to see. but like, shouldn't the logical conclusion from town!imag's pov here be that vp was trying to put two townies with himself??In post 1027, imaginality wrote:I'd also note here that VP first proposed me+him+DArby/Pav, Tanner was just listed as an alternative. And from a scum!VP perspective DArby/Pav is very much mislim bait if town. So if DArby/Pav is town, VP's first option was what he himself says is a 'way easier scenario' and his backup option was a player who he knows will town read him for being at the same location. Flipping Keep first will confirm if DArby/Pav is town or not.
because, imag sure did not advocate for voting pav in the keep.In post 1040, imaginality wrote:I feel surest about Ari being town and Luke has said he thinks Ari's town so if it's entirely my call I'd get Luke to vote Ari.
If we do the 'get the scummiest player to choose who to vote' thing I'd get Pav to choose between the other two.
like, i know i might be confbiasing here, but this kind of feels like scum who was, at the same time, using the arguments "vp didn't want to go to the same location as these players" to be +scum points, while somehow never making the connection that "vp wanted to go to the same location as this player" to be a +town point. there were like, at least 2 opportunities for that connection to be made. yet it wasn't made. because town!pav was supposed to be the "toss this yeetbaity slot at the keep, nobody is ever going to be voting him lmao" townie?your eyes on the city.- VP Baltar
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Oh I'm here all day on my phone while I work. I literally don't care about wall analysis etc. because thus game will be over if you'd just hammer imaginality.In post 1988, Tanner wrote:oh would you look at that. i post a new reason why imag might be scum, and it takes baltar... 5 minutes to show up. when i'm going through the thread by myself? when other players are doing analysis? nowhere to be seen.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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You have the power in your hands to end this torture (and you probably should today given deadlines and how much time is going to be needed on the wall if you pick wrong).In post 1991, Tanner wrote:this is like... 3rd? 4th? day in a row i am up well into the early morning hours, staring at open 840 - guardians of the fortress [day 2] on mafiascum dot netYOUR AD HERE- Tanner
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my first thought was "what if this is scum trying to use tstbs on their buddy to get me to hammer wrong at gate" before i realized the problem with that argument, my brain is completely friedIn post 1227, Aristeia wrote:I know
he's reached a level of play so horribly inconsistent that I'm thinking it only comes from town talking out of their ass.your eyes on the city.- VP Baltar
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That's what I have been saying!In post 1998, Tanner wrote:it's gotten to the point where this is some vile shit if you're scum here lmfaoYOUR AD HERE - VP Baltar
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