Datisi's Café [game over!]

[Klick]

You know what does feel right though?

This pagetop

[furtiveglance]

Tangentially, I'd be -very- surprised if the setup were 16:5

What do you think it is?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Ircher

[Klick]

Tangentially, I'd be -very- surprised if the setup were 16:5

What do you think it is?

17:4 makes sense to me with a known powerful anti-town mechanic
But I'm not amazing at design or anything

[fireisredsir]

VOTE: uncrowned

[Klick]

I think you can probably assess this setup's balance as though there is little town power at all
16:5 mountainous or close to it would be ridiculously scumsided
17:4 mountainous would... probably still be rather scumsided but that's why there's some power right?

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: uncrowned

[furtiveglance]

I think you can probably assess this setup's balance as though there is little town power at all
16:5 mountainous or close to it would be ridiculously scumsided
17:4 mountainous would... probably still be rather scumsided but that's why there's some power right?

The productivity mechanic implies town has a lot of power.

[Something_Smart]

Surely town has a lot of power, right? Otherwise it would be trivial to get 75% or more productivity.

[Ydrasse]

a lot of petty power probably

[PenguinPower]

Surely town has a lot of power, right? Otherwise it would be trivial to get 75% or more productivity.

i mean - we have very little understanding of how much productivity it takes to utilize a pr so that's just broad assumption

[Something_Smart]

Sure, but bad PR's can just not use any. So there has to be some stuff that would at least be tempting to people.

[PenguinPower]

"some stuff that's tempting" does not necessarily equal "a lot of power"

but at this point i'm just arguing to argue

[Ausuka]

I assumed it would be 16:5 and would definitely like to hear why Ircher made the assumption it's 4 without justifying it - I don't think input from others will be all that helpful.

[PenguinPower]

why did you assume it was 16:5?

i didn't assume anything.

[Vivax]

I don't like Luke's and Fire's harping on mechanics on Page 2, it's dressing up something simple as an overly complex reason to vote Ircher. Ultimately it's not a productive discussion save for scum trying to rolefish, a town wouldn't want to comment on productivity. All we know is that scum night kills will probably be more on even nights.
Though I see why Yume/Ircher using the numbers so accurately and instantly guessing Mastinas intention could be construed as scummy, especially if it's scum seeing that and finding an easy reason.

Granted, it's tough to guess which side of the binary we are on. But if Ircher flips town here, the most vocal pushers go up a lot in scum equity, conversely.

[Ausuka]

why did you assume it was 16:5?

i didn't assume anything.

my mind jumped to 16:5 because

that's the standard ratio? lol

what answer were you expecting

[PenguinPower]

why did you assume it was 16:5?

i didn't assume anything.

my mind jumped to 16:5 because

that's the standard ratio? lol

what answer were you expecting

uh...no? lol. 17:4 would be a more reasonable expectation tbh, especially with the multikill.

oh sorry - i forgot that closed setups where we have little information except that scum have the ability to multi-kill means that we should assume the setup is a superhigh power setup.

[Ausuka]

how is expecting 5 scum in 21 players unreasonable

[Ausuka]

the standard ratios are
7:2, 10:3, 13:4, 16:5

for every 3 town you add 1 scum

i don't think i'm hallicunating this? it's a normal thing?

even if you think that the setup could justify a different assumption i'm not sure what you are getting at here with pushing me on 16:5. it does not feel genuine.

[Klick]

What we know:
- town is limited in how much of its power it can use
- this limitation grants scum extra kills

At our most controlled, we have the ability to limit the negative effects of the setup on us by just, uh, not using the power roles

Any power roles we do use also come with an unknown magnitude of negative effect on the town.

Ergo, we can evaluate the setup as though we aren't using the power roles as a ballpark reference for the overall power level of the setup.

Any power roles we risk using are a bonus that is particularly tricky and pointless to evaluate at this stage.

[PenguinPower]

uh...you don't just add 1 scum for every 3 town wtf?

the relationship does not scale linearly...

[PenguinPower]

but whatever, apparently that's what you think.

[PenguinPower]

lol

[Ausuka]

do you think me saying 16:5 is normal is alignment indicative? lol