TM2012 - Closed Normal(Over!)

[GreyICE]

ehh, not sold. I'm not too much a fan of wishy washy, "ehh he might be scum because it was sorta scummy here". Still think UN is better though.

COOLDOG
ARE YOU BUSY
BEING OBVIOUS SCUM
IN MY GAMETHREAD

ARE YOU COOLDOG

BECAUSE THIS IS YOUR CASE ON UBERNINJA:

This post is bad. He had a reason, now he is all ready back tracking. Let's wagon this guy.

BUT IT'S NOT A CASE AT ALL, IS IT STEVE?

[DeltaWave]

DeltaWave has three shitty posts.

PEdit: four shitty posts

You don't think self-meta is shifty?

Not anymore.
Used to be, but now it depends much more on the context. People are expecting meta to be handed out much more freely, and scum are much more wary of trying to clear themselves through self-meta.

I'd be pretty pissed if it was the only defense, but given Glork has zero votes on him, I don't even see it as a defense. More a data point.

That's why it's a FOS and not a VOTE

[GreyICE]

Well your vote is on Haylen
So you're good peeps today~

[iamausername]

On the other hand, chamber is one of the worst scum players I've ever encountered. Read this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=21399

In a not-strong player list (it included PizzaDudes and Lowell) he got lynched day 1. Without getting to out a power role with a claim even. That's... err... amazing.

charter =/= chamber. I'm not sure how much this affects your point as far as Glork is concerned, but you should probably be aware of this.

CooLDoG is usually obvtown when he's town, and I'm not getting strong town vibes off him. The wall posts are a tad, well... terrible. 170 and 253 in particular take up many inches and provide little substance.

I'm thinking CoolDog is town just because of this:

this:

TA also thinks haylen is scummy, but hasn't given any specifics yet.

in post 171 strikes me as a strong town tell. Teammates of scum players would be a lot less likely to post 'reads' without explanation, and I don't see CooLDoG inventing this out of whole cloth.

your thoughts?

[Glork]

Vote: Haylen

[GreyICE]

On the other hand, chamber is one of the worst scum players I've ever encountered. Read this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=21399

In a not-strong player list (it included PizzaDudes and Lowell) he got lynched day 1. Without getting to out a power role with a claim even. That's... err... amazing.

charter =/= chamber. I'm not sure how much this affects your point as far as Glork is concerned, but you should probably be aware of this.

Hmmm

To be perfectly honest it effects my read on Glork's alignment not at all.

[GreyICE]

Vote: Haylen

Thanks.

You can be town today.

[Captain Murasa]

@Glork: Why the Haylen vote? Haylen hasn't posted since you last moved your vote off her.

[UberNinja]

Glork is all over the place, but he's finally in the right place. Stop defending Haylen. She needs to die.

[Captain Murasa]

How am I defending Haylen by asking Glork why he voted her?

[Captain Murasa]

Also Haylen is my townread and I can defend her all I want. The wagon on her is stupid and needs to die.

[GreyICE]

Glork is all over the place, but he's finally in the right place. Stop defending Haylen. She needs to die.

Well he's checking who the town is willing to mislynch, why wouldn't he be?

[GreyICE]

Also Haylen is my townread and I can defend her all I want. The wagon on her is

stupid

awesome and needs

to die

more votes.

[Captain Murasa]

Also Haylen is my townread and I can defend her all I want. The wagon on her is stupid

awesome

and needs to die

more votes

.

[jasonT1981]

bloody hell, got a bit of catching up to do since I last was on...

back soon

[Glork]

I acquiesce. I'm not especially happy about a Haylen lynch, but she's almost certainly going to be dead before D3, and it's better to get it done with D1 than wait for a Vig or waste time, effort, and power roles on nailing down the Haylen situation D2.

At least if she flips town here and now, it'll help Grey and the other derps get their heads screwed on straight.

[jasonT1981]

Slaxx is my biggest up-in-the-air. What I read and my sixth sense are warring when it comes to him.

Do me a special favor and give me something a little more concrete than this.

Thanks.

Or you can skip the part where he spews a bunch of nonsensical bullshit, and just lynch him.

kthx

Which part did you not understand?

I think they want you to expand on what you said, and tell us why you are having your sixth sense warring when you read him.

Slaxx is my biggest up-in-the-air. What I read and my sixth sense are warring when it comes to him.

Do me a special favor and give me something a little more concrete than this.

Thanks.

I got nothing more concrete. I can start making shit up, but that won't help.

I spend lots of time overcoming my built-in bias I have towards players. This requires more reading than it does posting. I'll comment on stuff if I have anything, and will ask questions, but I ain't going for post count.

And if you want topical-
Haylen/GreyIce- The whole interaction means absolutely nothing. If I'm expected to believe that Grey can read post 72 and say Haylen is scum, it ain't going to happen. So, take out those 5 pages, and you got what I think right now.

1) what built in Bias, and with who
2) 10 pages in, you have nothing concrete to go on? pfft

Jason: This is all Reg's read and I'm trusting it. Reg says he likes the logic Jason went through to explain his captain scum read and likes the way he went about the vote. However:

Jason, reg wants you to explain why you called me town but then voted me a bit later. Also, I want to know why you completely ignored my response to you. Like I said, practically every post I made was about Grey's credibility toward the read.

It was the vote jumpin, from Haylen popular wagon, to another wagon that was building (cant remember who it was now) and back to Haylen II when it was picking up again.

I will look back at your response, after this catch up.

@Porochaz: Post the questions again and I'll answer them and do the specifics after I come home from school.

Nope. Need evidence you are reading the game.

town posting pawning Lazy Scum posting, I liked and LOL'd

Town - Scum

GreyICE - town Ice. Not the same feel as buffy, Team-mates agree town, and meta backs it up
Glork - Town Glork - seems to have thought out posts and cases
Haylen - town Haylen, had thought so from early stage and now backed up by Zach in team QT.
Porochaz - didnt like Poro start to the game, but has come into it a lot better since

iamausername - Null seems to be flying under the radar
Mastermind of Sin - Null need more content
DeltaWave - Null - seems to be flying under radar needs more
Uberninja - Capt is a scum read, so her buddying up to UN seemed wrong to me

PeregrineV - slight scum, but will list orange/null for now seems reluctant to comment/post.

Slaxx - weak wagon jumping to popular wagons.. seems to just coast along with votes without little care.
CooLDoG - seems to be skimming and not filly reading.. Shows this when attacking me claiming im pushing GrayIce as scum and lynch of meta.

Captain Murasa - started as gut, but progressed rapidly as it went along

.

Right now I really want to see more from PerV, MoS, Deltawave, they seem to be trying to skim under the radar. However are in the middle section of my reads as I feel the bottom 3 are worth looking at more.

vote:Captain Murasa

How did iamausername not make your list at the bottom? You marked him as "flying under the radar" and then didn't say you wanted to see more from him... What makes him so much different from PerV/MoS/Deltawave?

eh, it was just how I typed it really. However, end of page 10 Iamausername is moving up into town terotory. I liked his post 249, seemed well thought out and rational.

Just because other pepole might have made the argument before doesn't invalidate the argument.

I found this townie because it really sounds like something a townie would say in that context.

LOL I said this EXACT same thing as scum I believe a while ago. I cant remember the game, but I rememeber saying this.

JasonT:

UNVOTE:

I think GreyICE is going to end up nowhere with his case. Meta tells like that are stupid, you don't know whether it's true or not.

PEDIT: Haylen just took the words out of my mouth

I am seeing Haylen as town right now, GrayICE posts are interesting... However Haylen is trying to answer anything asked off her, instead off ducking like scum would do.

However, GrayICE is right about 72. There is a lot of WIFOM introduced in it.

The huge waffle in this post is something I really don't like. It kinda feels like he was setting up Haylen as a future target so he could jump on her later if she became viable

.

really, where have I once indicated this?

@ Capt - Right now I have more town reads than I have scum reads

Town - GrayIce, Haylen would be the top of that list... Glock I think is round about in 3rd place. Slaxx is probably town

As for scum, I agree with Glock on UberNinja. Mostly about the contridiction though. Would like to see more from Captain Murasa I have a gut scum read on... nothing substanal but just a feeling. Seems like she is trying to say the right things and seems forced.

Null so far is DeltaWave, same with Iamausername.

gonna have a quick re-read after my dinner and see if I can come up with something more.

This felt forced because as I said before it felt like he had to make up his scum reads. I think the gut read on me wsa really an excuse to jump on me later (which he did).

in the words of the Miz! Really? you asked I answered.

This was a huge misrep.

JasonT is scum.

And what is it exactly made me scum? you do notice that as soon as I said I had a bad gut feeling on you, your thoughts of me as scum began?

Right here he twists my actions to make it seem like I OMGUS'ed him.

Again, really? I state I have bad feeling, you instantly label me as scum... no twisting, just actual facts.

DeltaWave has three shitty posts.

PEdit: four shitty posts

You don't think self-meta is shifty?

Self meta is a crock, and easily open for minipulation.

[jasonT1981]

Slaxx is my biggest up-in-the-air. What I read and my sixth sense are warring when it comes to him.

Do me a special favor and give me something a little more concrete than this.

Thanks.

Or you can skip the part where he spews a bunch of nonsensical bullshit, and just lynch him.

kthx

Which part did you not understand?

I think they want you to expand on what you said, and tell us why you are having your sixth sense warring when you read him.

Slaxx is my biggest up-in-the-air. What I read and my sixth sense are warring when it comes to him.

Do me a special favor and give me something a little more concrete than this.

Thanks.

I got nothing more concrete. I can start making shit up, but that won't help.

I spend lots of time overcoming my built-in bias I have towards players. This requires more reading than it does posting. I'll comment on stuff if I have anything, and will ask questions, but I ain't going for post count.

And if you want topical-
Haylen/GreyIce- The whole interaction means absolutely nothing. If I'm expected to believe that Grey can read post 72 and say Haylen is scum, it ain't going to happen. So, take out those 5 pages, and you got what I think right now.

1) what built in Bias, and with who
2) 10 pages in, you have nothing concrete to go on? pfft

Jason: This is all Reg's read and I'm trusting it. Reg says he likes the logic Jason went through to explain his captain scum read and likes the way he went about the vote. However:

Jason, reg wants you to explain why you called me town but then voted me a bit later. Also, I want to know why you completely ignored my response to you. Like I said, practically every post I made was about Grey's credibility toward the read.

It was the vote jumpin, from Haylen popular wagon, to another wagon that was building (cant remember who it was now) and back to Haylen II when it was picking up again.

I will look back at your response, after this catch up.

@Porochaz: Post the questions again and I'll answer them and do the specifics after I come home from school.

Nope. Need evidence you are reading the game.

town posting pawning Lazy Scum posting, I liked and LOL'd

Town - Scum

GreyICE - town Ice. Not the same feel as buffy, Team-mates agree town, and meta backs it up
Glork - Town Glork - seems to have thought out posts and cases
Haylen - town Haylen, had thought so from early stage and now backed up by Zach in team QT.
Porochaz - didnt like Poro start to the game, but has come into it a lot better since

iamausername - Null seems to be flying under the radar
Mastermind of Sin - Null need more content
DeltaWave - Null - seems to be flying under radar needs more
Uberninja - Capt is a scum read, so her buddying up to UN seemed wrong to me

PeregrineV - slight scum, but will list orange/null for now seems reluctant to comment/post.

Slaxx - weak wagon jumping to popular wagons.. seems to just coast along with votes without little care.
CooLDoG - seems to be skimming and not filly reading.. Shows this when attacking me claiming im pushing GrayIce as scum and lynch of meta.

Captain Murasa - started as gut, but progressed rapidly as it went along

.

Right now I really want to see more from PerV, MoS, Deltawave, they seem to be trying to skim under the radar. However are in the middle section of my reads as I feel the bottom 3 are worth looking at more.

vote:Captain Murasa

How did iamausername not make your list at the bottom? You marked him as "flying under the radar" and then didn't say you wanted to see more from him... What makes him so much different from PerV/MoS/Deltawave?

eh, it was just how I typed it really. However, end of page 10 Iamausername is moving up into town terotory. I liked his post 249, seemed well thought out and rational.

Just because other pepole might have made the argument before doesn't invalidate the argument.

I found this townie because it really sounds like something a townie would say in that context.

LOL I said this EXACT same thing as scum I believe a while ago. I cant remember the game, but I rememeber saying this.

JasonT:

UNVOTE:

I think GreyICE is going to end up nowhere with his case. Meta tells like that are stupid, you don't know whether it's true or not.

PEDIT: Haylen just took the words out of my mouth

I am seeing Haylen as town right now, GrayICE posts are interesting... However Haylen is trying to answer anything asked off her, instead off ducking like scum would do.

However, GrayICE is right about 72. There is a lot of WIFOM introduced in it.

The huge waffle in this post is something I really don't like. It kinda feels like he was setting up Haylen as a future target so he could jump on her later if she became viable

.

really, where have I once indicated this?

@ Capt - Right now I have more town reads than I have scum reads

Town - GrayIce, Haylen would be the top of that list... Glock I think is round about in 3rd place. Slaxx is probably town

As for scum, I agree with Glock on UberNinja. Mostly about the contridiction though. Would like to see more from Captain Murasa I have a gut scum read on... nothing substanal but just a feeling. Seems like she is trying to say the right things and seems forced.

Null so far is DeltaWave, same with Iamausername.

gonna have a quick re-read after my dinner and see if I can come up with something more.

This felt forced because as I said before it felt like he had to make up his scum reads. I think the gut read on me wsa really an excuse to jump on me later (which he did).

in the words of the Miz! Really? you asked I answered.

This was a huge misrep.

JasonT is scum.

And what is it exactly made me scum? you do notice that as soon as I said I had a bad gut feeling on you, your thoughts of me as scum began?

Right here he twists my actions to make it seem like I OMGUS'ed him.

Again, really? I state I have bad feeling, you instantly label me as scum... no twisting, just actual facts.

DeltaWave has three shitty posts.

PEdit: four shitty posts

You don't think self-meta is shifty?

Self meta is a crock, and easily open for minipulation.

[jasonT1981]

urgh, quote fail sorry.

[jasonT1981]

Jason you need to read

Practically every single one of my posts has been about Grey's credibility in pushing Haylen, about Haylen, why I voted Haylen, or why I voted UN.

Ah this is what I had missed, while yes. I do think you were jumping wagons with ease early in the game.

[GreyICE]

I acquiesce. I'm not especially happy about a Haylen lynch, but she's almost certainly going to be dead before D3, and it's better to get it done with D1 than wait for a Vig or waste time, effort, and power roles on nailing down the Haylen situation D2.

At least if she flips town here and now, it'll help Grey and the other derps get their heads screwed on straight.

-_-

Vote: Glork

[Captain Murasa]

@JasonT: Wow, is that really the best you can do?

Cool, first you say that you said it as scum. But you can't remember the game? How coincidental. Also congrats I say it as either alignment. Calling me scum without putting in the effort to do your research first = scummy.

"I think Haylen is town. GreyICE made some cool posts. But Haylen is answering the questions which is pro-town. However Grey made a good point (notice the buddying too), Haylen really did do some suspicious stuff."

Is this really the only defense you are able to muster after I've asked you 3 times? You should know your scumreads at the click of a finger, not have to make them up. Even if you only had one real scumread you only would have needed to say that one instead of making up more.

Gut feelings are basically just a way to set up future jumps on the wagon (which you did). It's also used when you can't think of a bullshit attack against the player in question.

[GreyICE]

Murasa
Vote Glork

[Captain Murasa]

I still think Glork is town.

[Captain Murasa]

Grey
What is your read on Jason?