The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ninja please post the line u think I am referencing.

Wow I read this as "nigga please, post the line u think I am referencing."

[curiouskarmadog]

"It's hard to scumhunt when you're trying to track down the people in your quicktopic and it's unsuccessful."

Yep that is what I thought. U are still on the day talk thing. Will post the quotes that I am talking about when I am not in my phone. U are clearly missing my whole case.

[ICEninja]

[ICEninja]

CKD, I'm referring to this post, which is your most recent post summarizing how you feel about Grey.

You're very clearly hinging everything on the fact that he said anything about day talk at all, and his responses or lack of responses to a misread of what he said.

[Zdenek]

Oh, the puppy is right, let them post a bit and you get around seeing them as townie.

Why?

Zdenek: I don't want to start paranoia and see you and GreyIce as scumpartners, but how is somethink looking like a chainsaw not a defence?

First of all, that scum-tell is probably bullshit. What makes you think that is anymore likely to be chainsaw defense, than any of the other attacks in this game?

So Stefan, how do you reconcile the fact that you think that town doesn't say things that they don't believe and the fact that Sixty lectured me about townie meta work, how scum love to do meta work and point to examples and then followed that up by going and pointing at an example with your town read on Sixty?

The GreyICE backtracking case is stupid. GreyICE was being obnoxious (not alignment relevant). Sixty's raised some points against him, but as far as I am concerned their case (together with my experience with GreyICE) amounts to a case that should only imply that they read him as null. The points that Shamrock has raised seem good on the surface, but I don't actually think that they are a fair representation of GreyICE's play. As far as the rest of his play goes, his early reactions to CKD and Jason seem legit. Although his shift from being worried about Jason to saying that the counter wagon on him could not be scummier is weird. The bulk of the attacks on him are bad. Specifically the ones where people misquote him and then acccuse him of lying. I also think that CKD's attacks on him for lying are exaggerated.

I think people should go read Stefan.

[Shamrock]

The points that Shamrock has raised seem good on the surface, but I don't actually think that they are a fair representation of GreyICE's play.

Hmm, why not?

[Zdenek]

The points that Shamrock has raised seem good on the surface, but I don't actually think that they are a fair representation of GreyICE's play.

Hmm, why not?

It looks to me like GreyICE does care who gets lynched.

[Sixty]

Sixty's raised some points against him, but as far as I am concerned their case (together with my experience with GreyICE) amounts to a case that should only imply that they read him as null.

Question 1: What

would

you find to be a scumtell for GreyICE, if not his rather transparent attempt to mimic his "Town meta"?
Question 2: Why did you word this like

we should be reading GreyICE as null

, not that

you believe GreyICE is null based on our points

?

It looks to me like GreyICE does care who gets lynched.

Question 3: If he cared that much, don't you think he'd be jumping on ckd a lot sooner than he did, rather than as a "compromise"?

[Sixty]

Also, we have four days until deadline. Keep calm and carry on. Specifically, carry on lynching the people who aren't keeping calm. People who use CAPS LOCK. Like GreyICE. He even has CAPS LOCK in his name. We swear we started this post with serious intentions. Were we saying something? We were--oh!

ball, ball, ballballball

ball

ball

ball

etc.

[ICEninja]

Good puppy. Here's a townie treat.

[Zdenek]

Sixty's raised some points against him, but as far as I am concerned their case (together with my experience with GreyICE) amounts to a case that should only imply that they read him as null.

Question 1: What

would

you find to be a scumtell for GreyICE, if not his rather transparent attempt to mimic his "Town meta"?
Question 2: Why did you word this like

we should be reading GreyICE as null

, not that

you believe GreyICE is null based on our points

?

It looks to me like GreyICE does care who gets lynched.

Question 3: If he cared that much, don't you think he'd be jumping on ckd a lot sooner than he did, rather than as a "compromise"?

1. The same things that I think are scum tells for anyone else. I don't believe that I have seen GreyICE as scum, so I don't have any meta on him as scum.
2. Because that is what I think.
3. He jumped on CKD in his third post of the game.

My experience with GreyICE is that he can be obnoxious and push lynches like this as town. Nothing that you have said makes me think that this is not the case. This point that he is transparently trying to mimic his town meta is nice. So back it up. If it's so transparent, it should be easy.

[pidgey]

Gonna catch up tomorrow bros. Have been reading another game i joined.

[fatlikepig]

1.) if the daytalk slip wasnt scummy in grey's eyes, why did he try to suggest he wasnt talking about daytalk..

2.) now that I got him in a corner about his scummy back track, why do you think he isnt answering my questions.

do you think the above two points a pro-town? why?

I'm going to wait until you post whatever quotes you're referencing before I answer these, because I can't find any part of your GreyICE that doesn't rely on his original post being about scum having Daytalk.

do you think that grey is town? why?

The constant pushing on ICENinja reads as town which is overly sure that someone is scum, wouldn't expect that degree of persistence from scum. I also disagree that GreyICE hasn't been scumhunting, I think his points about ABR as well as his defence of Kimor seem genuine.

From memory, he's also not playing like he did when I was scum with him in Cooldog's Mini game a while back.

[StefanB]

Zdenek: Why do I think that this was more worthy of calling this a chainsaw then other thinks in the game.
Well it is more worthy of calling out, because I did notice it. What is the point?

About:

So Stefan, how do you reconcile the fact that you think that town doesn't say things that they don't believe and the fact that Sixty lectured me about townie meta work, how scum love to do meta work and point to examples and then followed that up by going and pointing at an example with your town read on Sixty?

I will have to decline to answer that, because well what do you want to know? Sorry I don't understand the question.

I think people should go read Stefan.

No problem with that. And if you find a certain think in there, I changed my mind since then. (this is about Jason)

Is that why Sixty moved from null to slightly town? I find their point re GreyIce the vote I find most logical.

CKD:
A slight variation of GI post, what I think he claimed to mean with his post.

it is hard to scumhunt, when you are trying to track down the people

who are in

your QT

If you assume, that is what GreyIce meant, how is the case looking.
(Would be more easy to see for me what your case is)

I should probably think about replacing out. No not before day 2.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 1.14 - As of post 489

GreyIce (6) - ICENinja, curiouskarmadog, Sixty, Shamrock, Albert B. Rampage, Shmugen
kortul (1) - [Kimor]
ICENinja (1) - Klick
[Kimor] (3) - kortul, Konowa, StefanB
curiouskarmadog (3) - fatlikepig, greenknight, GreyICE
Albert B. Rampage (1) - jasonT1981
jasonT1981 (2) - pidgey, sword_of_omens
StefanB (1) - Zdenek

The Current deadline is Wednesday, November 7 at 10:00 am EDT. Countdown is (expired on 2012-11-07 10:00:00).

With 18 active votes - 10 are required to lynch.

Activity Check -
kortul is being prodded
Kimor is being replaced as he has reached a third prod today.

Mod Notes -
I will be LA as usual between today at 4:30pm EDT until Monday. Vote Counts, Prods, and other items may be delayed! Don't Panic! (oops wrong theme …)
Klick is V/LA til Tuesday November 6th.
sword_of-omens is V/LA til Monday November 5th.

[Konowa]

Finishing up another long weekend at work. I will get to this tonight.

[jasonT1981]

Still not a fan of the GrayICE wagon. I think there are better lynches today. Albert is not a lynch today by looks of things. CKD has been peaking my interest recently. I would much rather lynch him than GrayICE.

with that said

vote: CKD

[jasonT1981]

Not sure of Swords vote on me, given he seems to defend me in this post http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4447654

The other on my wagon, seems to think Gray is a good lynch today, but has stopped short of voting him... why?

"scum flip on Grey will give us a ridiculously good start to the game. There are a couple players I'd be pretty sure are town if he flips town, too."

I might give you that a scum flip will put others on sight, but a town flip, ESPECIALLY first town flipped in the game, gives us bollucks mostly.

[StefanB]

Okay, will revote tomorrow, and it won't be on Zdenek, because we have only a few days. Probably one CKD.

Pidgey, Sword: Jason is not the lynch today. Imho he is town.

Klick: IceNinja can't probably get lynched today. Many feel he is town.

All please revote in the necessary time.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Thor665 replaces Kimor. I may grant Thor an extension if he feels he needs the time to catch-up.

[Thor665]

Greetings gang, looks like we are in the middle of a derp vote debate.

I'll be honest - I probably won't read jack. Still, I'll probably be game to ask for an extension so we can have a slightly less derptastic lynch consensus though.

Also, I need someone to say that I should sheep them so later I can blame them if who we lynch flips town, and who I will pretend doesn't exist and that I am awesome if the person flips scum.

Also, knee-jerk reaction - GreyICE as a Day lynch...really? I look forward to being told how awesome this case is.

[Shmugen]

Oh hell yeah, game with Thor.

[Klick]

Thor, I want you to read the first three pages and tell me what you think of ICEninja, GreyICE, and ckd.

[jasonT1981]

Id rather he read the full game and then gave his opinions of people, instead of basing it on 3 pages alone.

[Sixty]

Also, knee-jerk reaction - GreyICE as a Day lynch...really? I look forward to being told how awesome this case is.

The case is

way

awesome. Way

totally

awesome. ...um... this puppy is kind of new to the whole hipster slang thing.

Zdenek would be best off reading our posts, using the isolation feature if necessary.