Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[fferyllt]

I know I'm not exactly sweetness and light.

The level of venom in this game is reaching offputting levels.

[Eye Urn]

@Fe 344 If you were ISOing Carey you should've done Micro 137 and killed two birds with one stone ;]

What does that game have to do with Carey?

[Eye Urn]

Eye Urn: This is the one which gives me the willies, but maybe it's because I'm finding him almost impartial, and I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing. Seems willing to commit to conclusions. Has a density to his text which requires more attention, researching and comparing content as different players present it can be very pro-town, but it can also be a way to create the illusion of collusion or fabrication. post 253 is a good post. I like that he's pushing different angles to what I'm picking up on.

I didn't make post 253. Did you mean 223? 213? I didn't make any posts in the 230s or 250s.

Sorry for lack of any real content, but nothing new is really happening. Maybe our replacement will have some interesting things to say. As I was pretty null on that slot before, it shouldn't be too hard on me.

[goodmorning]

@Fe 344 If you were ISOing Carey you should've done Micro 137 and killed two birds with one stone ;]

What does that game have to do with Carey?

Whoops, that should say "Micro 117".

[fferyllt]

Eye Urn how are you feeling about GM these days?

[CareyHammer]

So, my terrible play with my meta indicates town. There you go.

[Mac]

Oh well, I am SOLD.

[goodmorning]

I was incredibly happy when I woke up and saw that there weren't a billion new posts, but then I was a little disappointed.

what is wrong with me

To find a happy medium would be good though, I was going to say something about being lulls in activity but honestly we're probably just mostly in similar time zones. (I am in EST/EDT, by the way.)

Eye Urn how are you feeling about GM these days?

Mmm, he never did answer when I asked this, did he? Interesting.

[goodmorning]

@Fe: What is the difference, to you, of a player asking you for thoughts on him/herself versus asking you for thoughts on others? Do you find one of them to be scummier? Townier? Why?

Also forgot to change my vote.

Vote: Fro

I'm at about 90% sure on him, my confidence on fffff has dropped to about 50%.

[fferyllt]

hello newbies and SE's and IC's
so, 14 pages already for a newbie game, you guys are going good.
let me check up for a bit and will jump in right after...

What are your thoughts?

[Eye Urn]

@Fe: What is the difference, to you, of a player asking you for thoughts on him/herself versus asking you for thoughts on others? Do you find one of them to be scummier? Townier? Why?

I was originally of the thought that scum would be more interested in knowing if their playing was coming off as pro-town or not. I still mostly feel that way, but at least recognize the possibility that a town player also would like to know how they're coming off. And I do admit that I hadn't said much about how I felt about GM while my feelings on everyone else felt more obvious. I also thought that my feelings on this issue made it fairly clear that I thought GM was almost certainly scum. I'm leaning slightly back towards null now, but there are still a lot of things that don't really sit well with me that I would consider voting for GM in the event no one is going to agree with my position on Carey.

[fferyllt]

GM, you are showing a tendency to go after people as being scummy who are going after you as scum.

[ArcAngel9]

On replacements: Most of them screw the Town. Occasionally they screw the Scum instead.

I agree, It's easier for the scum to pull together from scratch, but it's much harder for the town to do so. Information theory

Re: Eye Urn's point: From what I've seen so far I hope we have game full of active players. I think lynching absentees sucks, but the fact that a typical scum ploy is to go for inactives it makes it a great place for them to hide, as any town player who suggests it instantly looks suss. It's also anti-town to not contribute at least to clearing yourself, why give scum the information advantage?

On Fropome's point above, I believe you're trying to say that lurking simply makes it easier for the scum to find someone to target, but I also don't get how it is a great place for them to hide.

ATay3

Where I played my previous games lynching lurkers is always a scummy move. The logic of it only works if you have a well cleared town, and many players are loathe to lynch an absentee without giving them a chance to respond. However, scum know who town are, and know if a town player is lurking, so it makes sense for at least one scum to lurk with them and then they only need to worry if and when town start worrying about lurkers. Even then the chance of being lynched is still a 1:2 shot if there's just one other lurker.

My point is that town have no reason to lurk, even newbie town who are afraid they might make mistakes, newb town mistakes can still be sources of useful information for town.

There is a good posibility that lurkers can be town but not always, Scum lurk lurk and lurk all his life so that he can get away with out contributing anything to the game, Unless you're a great scum and can hold a conversation without slim, the other scums usually lurks

so Lynching lurkers is a good when they don't explain themselves in time.

[goodmorning]

GM, you are showing a tendency to go after people as being scummy who are going after you as scum.

OK. I can't help it if the people I think are displaying scummy behaviour happen to be calling me Scum. It happens sometimes.
I'd really like to clarify that I don't OMGUS. Ever. As any alignment. And I'd appreciate if you stopped trying to hint at such.

Let's look at the list of people who haven't had a scumread on me in the last couple pages:
Mac - he's being pretty obvTown, so I don't find him scummy
Carey - in addition to not having said much to find scummy, the speed and volume of policy suspicion on him makes me suspect that he may be Town.
Rev? - I don't really remember if Rev's called me scummy recently or not. He is flying a bit low, but it's not unduly suspect, and his tunnel on Carey is sort of sending me gutTown.

EVERYONE ELSE HAS.

@AA9: Which is all well and good, but LaL is kind of irrelevant to the present game. I look forward to seeing your thoughts as pertain to slightly more recent events.

[ArcAngel9]

So, I have did a quick catch up, so its going to be a simple reads..

Although this is a newbie game, I can tell that most of the players in this game seem to have had their own experiences elsewhere playing mafia games.

So, apart from the people I know already. Welcome to mafiascum.net rest of you! If you’re a mafia game lover, then you have come to your paradise. This site is a final stop for all the players who love playing mafia games, enjoying staying here.!

My advice for all of you - Slow down first, understand the site meta and people, follow the rules, don’t get offended and play for winning

And about my reads… I have done a fair catch up, I will tone up with you all soon as the game go … (note that I don’t enjoy writing really long posts, so my reads going to be simple .)

Fferullt

– She seems like an aggressive player, almost suspecting everyone in the game which is a good town-tell, Leaning town.

MAC

– mac seems different, she is playing more logically on this game than in the games I have been with her, Leaning town.

Revenus

– I really didn’t like the way he went on with Carey, Being an SE and knowing this site meta and how things usually works here, he should been knowing already that lurking is common here.. So Just only reasoning lurking for accusing Carey as scum is not good, Leaning scum.

Eye Urn

– I don’t like your avatar, I hate giant evil octopus. And, to talk about your game play, I see that you’re pushing GM’s much with no reasons, I am not sure if you were doing that because you think that you may not need direction from an IC or if it is your play style from the other sites that made subjectively concluded that GM is scummy becuz she is being overly cautious ?, either ways you need to remember that she was given an additional task in the game, she usually be more cautions than any player and she is not scummy that way. You’re leaning scum to for now.

GoodMorning

– Hey, Thanks for the heads up, Yeah I don’t think you’re again too… I am bit bored of suspecting you in almost every game we play. So who do you think is scum here? And btw, you’re doing a great job as IC. Keep it up girl

Carey

– Null so far, you need to pull a better play Carey, and stop saying like you’re catching up. Read through for real and post your reads.

Fropome

– Fro has been one of the active posters, it’s good thing for a newbie with that I can tell you that he is may be new to this site but not new to mafia game. He appears to be buddying up with Eye and Revenus, I don’t have positive read on either of them. So Fro is neutral to me for now.

Deras

– His reads seems genuine, Leaning town.

And to look at this game in a strategic way..
There will be 2 scums in a 9 player game.

And I am positive that there is one scum between SE’s & IC
I feel GM is town, Carey is null. Revenus would be my choice for this day’s lynch, if everyone wants to move this directly.
And there would one more scum in the rest of you.

[fferyllt]

What makes you positive that there is one scum between SE's and IC?

[goodmorning]

What she said.

[ArcAngel9]

What makes you positive that there is one scum between SE's and IC?

Becuz, I believe that MOD will not give Scum flag to noobs without having an experience player in it.
Imagine 2 scum Newbies V/s 2 SE & IC and rest of the town?? that is highly unlikely to me. Again, that's how I see it.

[fferyllt]

What makes you positive that there is one scum between SE's and IC?

Becuz, I believe that MOD will not give Scum flag to noobs without having an experience player in it.
Imagine 2 scum Newbies V/s 2 SE & IC and rest of the town?? that is highly unlikely to me. Again, that's how I see it.

The roles aren't assigned randomly?

[ArcAngel9]

What makes you positive that there is one scum between SE's and IC?

Becuz, I believe that MOD will not give Scum flag to noobs without having an experience player in it.
Imagine 2 scum Newbies V/s 2 SE & IC and rest of the town?? that is highly unlikely to me. Again, that's how I see it.

The roles aren't assigned randomly?

they do but it may not be in a newbie game.

[fferyllt]

Found a newbie game where the scum were an SE and an IC. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4827816

Not sure how many games I want to search to see if your "highly unlikely" is statistically conceivable.

[fferyllt]

IOW let's scumhunt.

[goodmorning]

The roles aren't assigned randomly?

They are definitely assigned randomly.

[fferyllt]

This game feels stalled out somehow. I wanted to wait for more content from ArcAngel9 before trying to dig into more ISOs.

ArcAngel, do your reads change at all based on the role assignments being random?

[goodmorning]

Stalling is useful as long as it doesn't last too long, gives you a chance to catch your breath and reread/ISO if you have time.