NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Bacde · Post Post #3125 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:24 am

In post 3103, Bacde wrote:
In post 3063, Bacde wrote:
In post 3059, thezmon221 wrote:What kind of posts are you reading? I never implied you're scum. I think you're delusional and useless town.

YES!

Town, I saved you. Thank me later. LOL! this is great

He just literally lied because he can't keep track of his opinions that are displayed in his posts. Lets look at this gem right here:

In post 3042, thezmon221 wrote:1) You know who doesn't have reads that change after flips (especially two flips)? Scum. Scum doesn't need to change their reads. Your case on Nacho is exactly the same as it was D1: Crap.
This is Thezmon's argument:

1) Bacde does A
2) Scum do A

3 (assumption) Town is much less likely to do A

4) (inference/implication) Bacde is scum

Yet he denies it.

Sheep Bacde. Scumhunting made easy.

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Possible Objections: But you inserted the assumption that town is much less likely to do A! Maybe thezmon doesn't actually think that!

Counter-argument: If thezmon actually doesn't have that assumption, then why did he even include the "You know who does A? Scum do A" part of his post? I can't imagine a town making that statement without the intention of implying that I am scum.

Bacde · Post Post #3126 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:25 am

VOTE: thezmon

mastin2 · Post Post #3127 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:36 am

Oh hey this went fast.

<<< Bacde receives a warning for abusing emphasis. >>>

Fifty-seventh Votecount

:

(Fifth Votecount Day Two,

AKA, the "listen to the mod, he is god" votecount.

)

Haylen - 4 (Cephrir, Om the Destroyer, Nero Cain, penguin_alien)

Cephrir - 3 (CrashTextDummie, Amethyst Kitty, Slandaar)

thezmon221 - 2 (Bacde, Desperado)
Amethyst Kitty - 2 (Nachomamma8, Thor665)
Thor665 - 1 (ffullisade)
Desperado - 1 (ArcAngel9)

Not Voting - 8 (thezmon221, PeregrineV, EddieFenix, Seanald, ThAdmiral, Haylen, Kublai Khan, Bulbazak)

With

21

alive, it's

11

to lynch.

Day Two's deadline is Thursday, June 20th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-06-20 12:30:00).

If deadline hit now, Haylen would be lynched.

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 125, post 3114.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D2

Spoiler: Votecount History D2

Kublai Khan · Post Post #3128 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:40 am

In post 3123, Bacde wrote:THIS IS SERIOUSLY GOING TO BE MY STRATEGY IN THIS GAME UNTIL YOU GUYS START LYNCHING THEZMON

You claimed Vigilante.
Vigilantes are not allowed to power-whine because they can take matters into their own hands.

No wagon for you until you can calmly summarize a case (i.e. "X is scum because Y, proven by Z"). That means you have to more than to just repeat shit in all-caps and quote shit with no analysis. Grow up and quit being "that guy".

Bacde · Post Post #3129 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:56 am

HOW CAN I TAKE MATTERS INTO MY OWN HANDS WHEN I GET BLOCKED

YOU WANT TO SEE A CASE? HOWABOUT THIS POST THATS FREAKING AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE

In post 3125, Bacde wrote:
In post 3103, Bacde wrote:
In post 3063, Bacde wrote:
In post 3059, thezmon221 wrote:What kind of posts are you reading? I never implied you're scum. I think you're delusional and useless town.

YES!

Town, I saved you. Thank me later. LOL! this is great

He just literally lied because he can't keep track of his opinions that are displayed in his posts. Lets look at this gem right here:

In post 3042, thezmon221 wrote:1) You know who doesn't have reads that change after flips (especially two flips)? Scum. Scum doesn't need to change their reads. Your case on Nacho is exactly the same as it was D1: Crap.
This is Thezmon's argument:

1) Bacde does A
2) Scum do A

3 (assumption) Town is much less likely to do A

4) (inference/implication) Bacde is scum

Yet he denies it.

Sheep Bacde. Scumhunting made easy.

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Possible Objections: But you inserted the assumption that town is much less likely to do A! Maybe thezmon doesn't actually think that!

Counter-argument: If thezmon actually doesn't have that assumption, then why did he even include the "You know who does A? Scum do A" part of his post? I can't imagine a town making that statement without the intention of implying that I am scum.

Bacde · Post Post #3130 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:57 am

WHAT PART OF THAT POST IS NOT CALM AND RATIONAL AND OBVIOUSLY CORRECT?

Kublai Khan · Post Post #3131 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:08 am

In post 3130, Bacde wrote:WHAT PART OF THAT POST IS NOT CALM AND RATIONAL AND OBVIOUSLY CORRECT?

Badce wrote:This is Thezmon's argument:

1) Bacde does A
2) Scum do A

3 (assumption) Town is much less likely to do A

4) (inference/implication) Bacde is scum

Yet he denies it.

Sheep Bacde. Scumhunting made easy.

Okay, you quoted #2, but where does thezmon221 say that "1) Bacde does A"?

Kublai Khan · Post Post #3132 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:10 am

In post 3129, Bacde wrote:HOW CAN I TAKE MATTERS INTO MY OWN HANDS WHEN I GET BLOCKED

Actually, going back and looking you did absolutely power-hint that you were a vig. So I take back my doubt.

Bacde · Post Post #3133 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:11 am

In post 3131, Kublai Khan wrote:Okay, you quoted #2, but where does thezmon221 say that "1) Bacde does A"?

Its in post 3044, its IN THE PART I QUOTED IN THE CASE

I typed that with shift, I'm sorry but sometimes I need to emphasize

Bacde · Post Post #3134 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:12 am

He says "Your case on Nacho is exactly the same as it was D1: Crap."

Thats your "Bacde does A"

Bacde · Post Post #3135 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:12 am

This case is so good I seriously can't comprehend how thezmon isn't lynched yet

Slandaar · Post Post #3136 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:19 am

Slandaar · Post Post #3137 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:20 am

The reason is that everyone is a cook which I said ages ago.

It doesn't help Thor is scum completely causing chaos within the town he needs lynching badly

Kublai Khan · Post Post #3138 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:23 am

In post 3135, Bacde wrote:This case is so good I seriously can't comprehend how thezmon isn't lynched yet

Well, he did do what you said. Fair enough.

What's the scum motivation?

Bacde · Post Post #3139 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:27 am

In post 3138, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 3135, Bacde wrote:This case is so good I seriously can't comprehend how thezmon isn't lynched yet
Well, he did do what you said. Fair enough.

What's the scum motivation?

Whats the town motivation to directly lie about something 20 minutes after you've said it?

This is what happened:

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Thezmon:

Implies Bacde is scum

Bacde: Hey you implied I'm scum without voting me! Thats scummy!

Thor: Hey that is kinda scummy

Thezmon: I NEVER IMPLIED THAT YOU DID THAT! (obviously motivated to not look scummy)

Bacde:

Proves that Thezmon did indeed make that implication

*Thor and the rest of the town ignore this slam-dunk case*

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Bacde · Post Post #3140 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:27 am

In post 3137, Slandaar wrote:The reason is that everyone is a cook which I said ages ago.

It doesn't help Thor is scum completely causing chaos within the town he needs lynching badly

if you lynch thezmon with me I promise I'll sheep you onto thor no questions asked

ISO · Post Post #3141 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:31 am

I would have less issue voting thezmon if Haylen was dead

Kublai Khan · Post Post #3142 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:35 am

In post 3139, Bacde wrote:Whats the town motivation to directly lie about something 20 minutes after you've said it?

This is what happened:

Look, I don't care how dumb I come off. Explain this to me like I'm a four year old.

thezmon221 is being logically inconsistent, I'll give you that. But there is always the possibility of derp. So I want you to eliminate that doubt in my mind.

If thezmon221 is scum, then his play indicates that he has reason not to want to list you as scum. Why?

Bacde · Post Post #3143 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:42 am

In post 3142, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 3139, Bacde wrote:Whats the town motivation to directly lie about something 20 minutes after you've said it?

This is what happened:
Look, I don't care how dumb I come off. Explain this to me like I'm a four year old.

thezmon221 is being logically inconsistent, I'll give you that. But there is always the possibility of derp. So I want you to eliminate that doubt in my mind.

If thezmon221 is scum, then his play indicates that he has reason not to want to list you as scum. Why?

Ok, sorry about the facepalm

I'm just seriously frustrated

I've got two warnings this game and I'm predicting that I'm going to be force-replaced out at some point

I'm guessing that thezmon thinks that the "discredit bacde by calling him an idiot" route is going to work--the only problem is that I'm actually damn good at this game. I think he's also motivated to call me town still since he called me town early on and thus doesn't want to switch his "opinion" at the risk of looking scummy. Plus its tough to find good reasoning to change your reads when you are scum

Here's a link to a game whree I was scum and absta101 was town, and absta101 caught me d1 but I tried to discredit him by calling him horrible at the game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26373

Kublai Khan · Post Post #3144 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:45 am

Hmm.. Alright, I can buy that.

Vote: thezmon221

Bacde · Post Post #3145 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:49 am

TOWN HAS A HCANCE!!

Bacde · Post Post #3146 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:51 am

In post 3141, Cephrir wrote:I would have less issue voting thezmon if Haylen was dead

I already promised slandaar I'd vote thor but I can put you on the waiting list for Haylen

basically if Slandaar doesn't agree to my deal then I'll agree to get Haylen next if you vote for thezmon

if Slandaar DOES agree to my deal then I'll get Haylen with you after me/slandaar get thor

deal?

cmon dude you've been promoting my town-ness since d1, cut me a break and help me not get force-replaced and not get a hernia by lynching thezmon w/ me

Kublai Khan · Post Post #3147 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:54 am

In post 2973, ffullisade wrote:this post is so full of no

-m

I like how my post went from "full of no" to "I read it again and there are great points in there". I'm in your crosshairs because... of a Seanald scum-read? Explain.
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I've got a super-town read on CrashTextDummie, so I'm making him responsible for reading Slandaar. If CrashTextDummie ever says "Slandaar is scum", then we lynch Slandaar. Otherwise I'm just going to ignore him for now.
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In post 3030, penguin_alien wrote:
In post 2962, Kublai Khan wrote:Did anyone get a message from Syryana confirming his alignment? If not then I'm guessing that Seanald-scum or someone in his mafia did.
My understanding of friendly neighbor is that Syryana would have sent out a message confirming self as town. So presumably that message would only go out to a town read of Syryana's. Why would scum want to keep quiet about effectively being a town read of Syryana's?

Because the argument of "Hey, I must be town because [dead townie] thought I was town!" carries less weight than you think.

Given that nobody claimed it, it suggests the possibility that Syryana's message was delivered during the day or even instantaneously at night.

Seanald's NK WIFOM is still scummy as fuck.

Bacde · Post Post #3148 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:56 am

Kublai Khan I think I love you right now

Bacde · Post Post #3149 (ISO) » Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:01 am

Kublai have my babies!!!!1