By default, you are. That doesn't make it a strong town read at this point.In post 1523, Syryana wrote:When did you start getting paranoid about me? Last I looked I was your top townread. What happened?
Amrun (1) ~ Syryana Syryana (1) ~ Amrun
In post 1326, sword_of_omens wrote:Disclaimer: Splitting this post up into two as it is hella long…and took much longer than expected…
Ok..daylight is running out today, so I’ll touch briefly on everyone…
If you would like me to go into more detail on anything, I can…
First addressing this (bolded is mine):
In post 1195, implosion wrote:If i am lynched then just make sure s_o_o still responds to 1179In post 1179, implosion wrote:s_o_o ISO:
These are his first set of catchup reads. His read on eggplant is a strange combination of waffling and prodding him to post more. The amount of language in that sentence ("odd," "not really sure," "awkward") that waffles while vaguely painting a scumread on him feels like scum->scum.post 255 wrote:Eggplant – intro post was odd to say the least…not really sure if his MattP thing is a scum slip, as his whole post just seems awkward..now would be a good time for him to get in here and talk…as waiting is not making him look good..
Eggplant already had a wagon going on him based on his single post. I had commented on it that I thought it was strange as he came in all matter-of-fact and stating that silly RVS’s will be met with a quick-lynch and demanded votes with reasons from everyone, and then abruptly left the thread…I couldn’t tell if he was serious or not, and wanted input from him…
Bolded is a POSSIBLE explanation for the matt kill if s_o_o is scum - he may have thought matt was fakeclaiming. Anyway, the important thing here is that, once again, when talking about the Antagon slot, sword just continuously waffles. He doesn't know what to think, "it could be possible," etc. It's not just the fact that he says he doesn't know, it's the way he says it.post 583 wrote:Going through the Matt/Tierce back and forth , I really don’t think Matt is scum…
He always seems like a wild card to me…I expect his fake-claims, so that really doesn’t seem to sway me one way or another…
His frustration at Tierce for calling him scum does seems genuine also…
I really don’t know what to think of Antagon’s claim as it does seem a bit OP to me as well … I will say that I do recall Abarat had a similar role that self -commuted themselves and a target for the night, so it could be possible…
Matt fake-claims in pretty much every game I’ve played with him in…I’m also pretty sure it’s common knowledge… so yes, it could have been a reason he was killed…although I had nothing to do with his death…As far as the Antagon waffling..not sure what implosion means by “the way I said it”. Antagon’s claim seemed overpowered, however, I had played a recent game with a similar role in it, so I was unsure…
I don't need to explain this at this point. Four posts later, in response to Katsuki, he says he feels better about the antagon lynch, and keeps his vote on hp. Keeping his vote on hp isn't really a scumtell in that i can see him doing it as town, but it also fits very well if he's scum.post 802 wrote:Antagon- Egg’s intro was odd..and Antagon’s claim seems convoluted, yet believeable…normally I’d prefer to wait on lynching him…
I will say that I didn’t care for his last post though:
What I meant was that Katsuki had eased my reservations a bit in regards to having to lynch Antagon if it came down to it.. i still preferred hp over Antagon …I usually prefer to play it safe, especially on D1..I didn’t want to lynch Antagon on the chance that he was what he claimed..But should it come down to Antagon or a no lynch, I wouldn’t have felt as bad hammering him if I had to…
This reasoning about matt's list is a bit... well, not true. I think. First of all i don't think scum would have killed matt because of the list if there were only one scum on the list. Second of all I don't think the scary part of a list like for scum is that there's scum on the list, it's that there's town that they'd like to ML off the list.post 1168 wrote:Anyway,.i was really expecting a scum flip from hp, and that it would bullet proof my scum read of Ffery, but now I really don’t know..I went back and looked at ffery again, and now I’m thinking she’s most likely town...factoring into that is Matt’s kill…he claimed VT already…so why would scum kill a VT when there are lots of other unclaimed players out there? Ferry would not have benefitted from this, seeing as Matt only added her on his list as a “possible” scum because he saw her as “town”, and not “surefire town”…she would have no reason to be worried about Matt…same goes for OS, he was on the list for the same reason as ffery..i really don’t see why either of them would kill a claimed VT when there should be other priorities out there..and with hp gone, this narrows his list down to really only two people:
Me and Implosion…as far as Matt’s NK goes, this makes the most sense to me… and seeing as how people are saying that they don’t have a read on me or implosion, this might be the best avenue to explore...
So yeah. To sum up, he makes sense as scum with antagon.Unless I read wrong, implosion also wanted to lynch off of Matt’s list for reasons that scum were on it, yet he says scum would have killed Matt to mislynch off of instead:In post 1134, implosion wrote:I disagree that it's unproductive to continue analysis of his list, seeing as I believe that it is likely the reason he was NK'd. I shall therefore continue such speculation unabated.
In post 1329, sword_of_omens wrote:PART 2
Ffery – I originally did not like her town read she gave to Bungle for flip-flopping on her which I already explained…hp’s flip made me question my read on her and when I went back and reread her I did notice that the miscount on the Egg Wagon (that I had originally questioned) had to have been an honest miscount..while that in itself is not alignment indicative, it still gave me a better feeling about her…MattP’s kill also helped sway me towards town Ffery, mainly because he had just got done telling her she wasn’t really a scum read of his, she would have had no real reason to kill him now that he wouldn’t be pressuring her anymore…although with implosion flipping town, I think Matt’s kill had to have been for WIFOM…Ffery did admit to thinking that Amrun (as Pjo) had copped her based on the “lil dash” flavor of Pjo’s posts and for that reason put Pjo/Amrun into the town pile…
If Ferry was scum, and knew that Amrun was town, then I would think that Pjo/Amrun would’ve been a priority target for her..If Ferry is scum, then Amrun would have to be scum as well.
Oversoul – I have OS as town…I actually thought he soft-claimed PR here:His #724 (believe it or not) made me feel better about him as I see him do this repeatedly as town:In post 667, Oversoul wrote:I took things pretty personally before and saw shadows in the dark (if this game is still going on and certain events occur) I'll explain.Also, his interaction with Tierce looks like he is genuinely trying to figure her out…In post 724, Oversoul wrote:Gg no re if you think I'm scum
Amrun – I’d actually like to revist the Pjo/Amrun slot…I really did not like the way Pjo started the game…at all…his attack on me was horribly scummy…also, at the time I thought his Universe mass claim was bad…even with Amrun’s claim now as a flavor cop (I don’t doubt her role), although I do doubt her alignment…I have been burned multiple times by scum cops, claiming to be town…I admit, I had put her on the back-burner once she and Tierce got into it…I did not have a definitive read on Tierce, so the interaction between the two was welcome for me..it did not read to me as scum buddies trying to fake an argument in thread .. I was hoping more would come from it…also, depending on the results that Amrun claims, we could lynch her to see if she is telling the truth…if she is telling the truth , then we have a list of confirmed town..if he isn’t then we are down 1 scum. Thoughts on this?
And shit…out of time..
Others:
Katsuki – I had a town read on Kats mainly based on the MattP kill..but that theory went all to hell when hp flipped town…so I’ll have to reread..
Syryana – Syryana is in my town pile…I did like his early game and when he went after ffery
Tammy – I wanted to re-read Tammy again but I’ve run out of time…her interactions with everyone did look pretty genuine..
I did notice here that she keeps saying “if you knew me, you’d know I’m town” ..in the Abarat game when she was scum, she shied away from statements like that…so there is that…although not sure of what I think about her claim with the “following Fia” flavor, and saying that its not indicative of whether or not Fia is in the game, especially after Zdenek had just claimed Fia…
Zdenek – Has been the strongest town in the game..his game is pretty straight forward..no fluff…just hard work…
I’ll pop in from my phone before deadline and place a vote…
In post 1361, sword_of_omens wrote:i meant when implosion flipped town..I was in a rush at the end there and was trying to leave work...In post 1360, Zdenek wrote:It doesn't bother anyone else that SoO got the order wrong here?In post 1344, Zdenek wrote:This is in the wrong order.In post 1329, sword_of_omens wrote:Katsuki – I had a town read on Kats mainly based on the MattP kill..but that theory went all to hell when hp flipped town…so I’ll have to reread..
He's saying that he had town read on Katsuki because of the MattP kill, but that happened after hp flipped town.
In post 1369, sword_of_omens wrote:ugh... we only have a few hours left...
im fairly certain OS town and
id prefer not to lynch him...
also If it is in fact 4/11 it might be best to no lynch today
that way we can have the best odds going in to tomorrow...
I'll try and get back on before deadline if I can...
In post 1385, sword_of_omens wrote:guys, please unvote...
if today is mylo then all it takes is one town on town vote and scum can try and quick-lynch...
In post 1428, sword_of_omens wrote:i had other games that i was working on yesterday when i saw the votes...considering this could be mylo i asked that they unvote...as far as "not doing anything else" , at the time i posted I still hadn’t re-read the people that I had needed to, which is what I ‘v been trying to do today...In post 1409, Syryana wrote:POE, largely. You, Amrun, fery are town. Only one of {Katsuki, Oversoul} is scum. I also didn't like his "guys, you should unvote and stuff". Feels like he's reaching for towncred (and he's not actually doing anything else).
Oversoul -
I still think Oversoul is town..Here was his reasoning for that:Zdenek wrote:Enomis is exactly right. Oversoul's unvote makes absolutely no sense in this context.Oversoul wrote:And yet I was until he claimed.
And yet I realized the implications of the wording of his role before you or Katsuki.
And yet I unvoted at that time.
And yet you can't read.
Or at least don't like to.Unless i’m reading this wrong somehow, his unvote makes sense to me...he originally looked at it as too powerful to be scum, then thought it might be considered a fake claim....Oversoul wrote: Thought process about the unvote was... I need to think about this!
I had similar thoughts to Zach about the claim being too strong for it to be scum. Then I had thoughts about the wording not making sense and it being a fakeclaim. Then I noticed something else that Antagon posted that made go back to thinking the claim might be town
then unvoted when he noticed the wording of Antagon possibly being the protector of Enomis’ role..he didn’t unvote until after Antagon stated the following:He did mention (#626) that it was still probably best to lynch Antagon as there would probably be no real way to get info from his role...and then he also mentioned that he was still unsure about Antagon...In post 579, Antagon wrote:But in a game where the death of one role makes it Night for the rest of the game...
I could understand this, as i had reservations too...
Also, like i said, i’ve noticed that OS/town always says things like:In post 724, Oversoul wrote:Gg no re if you think I'm scumI don’t remember him ever doing this as scum…In post 1266, Oversoul wrote:If you think I'm scum for this then well... good luck.
Kats – going back and looking at Katsuki, I’m leaning town…opening post could be seen as a soft claim to VT…Kats really pushed for the D1 lynch of Antagon, especially when there was a lot of uncertainty in regards to Antagon’s claim…I think Kats could have easily jumped over to the hp wagon and not been questioned about it…Going through his ISO I really don’t see anything damning either…also Katsuki’s #1368 right before deadline seems very town to me..
I am V/LA tomorrow, as I’m sure most everyone else is, but I will be here on Friday all day before deadline…and seeing as it will mostly be dead at work, I should have plenty of time to finish up my reads…
I still need to re-read Syryana, but I definitely want to take a closer look at Amrun and Ffery..i still don’t like the fact that everyone auto-assumes flavor cop is town…like I said , I’ve been burned multiple times from flavor cops turning out to be scum (FF6 and 90’s cartoon) and if she is scum, she could easily clear a scum mate off as town.
In post 1451, sword_of_omens wrote:it is OP'd either way....In post 1430, Zdenek wrote:The thing is, it's not too strong to be scum. It is too strong to be town.In post 1428, sword_of_omens wrote:Unless i’m reading this wrong somehow, his unvote makes sense to me...he originally looked at it as too powerful to be scum, then thought it might be considered a fake claim....
Also, please note that OS is at L-1
i will be re-reading Syr, Ffery, and Amrun today...
most likely it will be from Syr, Amrun, Ffer...I've stated why i think OS is town, and Kats had opportunity D1 to quietly let a mislynch go through, but instead was calling for Antagon's lynch the loudest.....Zdenek wrote: fucking hate that I have no idea who SoO wants to lynch right now,
Who is Syr's scumbuddy?In post 1527, Amrun wrote:Why the fuck can't you see voting him
Why are you considering voting outside of confscum wtf
My brain hurts
Reach for that towncred, reeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaacccccchhhhhhhIn post 1524, Amrun wrote:As much as Syryana is scum, he's right. No lynch besides me or him happens today, period.
Thank you for dodging answering the actual question. Why are you getting paranoid about me?In post 1525, fferyllt wrote:By default, you are. That doesn't make it a strong town read at this point.In post 1523, Syryana wrote:When did you start getting paranoid about me? Last I looked I was your top townread. What happened?
I can't see voting you, though.
I want to hear why SoO chosse zdenek to protect on night 4.
because it's what I do.In post 1530, Syryana wrote:Thank you for dodging answering the actual question. Why are you getting paranoid about me?
There you go with not reading my posts againAmrun wrote:I suspected you far before you ever suspected me, Syryana. Saying that its omgus is the worst thing I've ever seen.
I laughed out loudIn post 1536, Amrun wrote:A) no. You're confirmed scum because neither of us is dead yet, not because "you voted me."
B) omgus has never actually been a scum tell.
C) not committing omgus anyway.
Katsuki's involvement toDay does not concern me in the slightest. Your concern is that me vs. Amrun is town on town. For that to be the case, the scumteam must, from your perspective, be Katsuki/SOO, yes? That is impossible, given Amrun-town, as Amrun's first act toDay was to clear Katsuki's role. Given the Antagon flip and the nature of Katsuki's claimed flavor (her character is a main character in Touhou Project), Amrun's flavor cop result essentially clears Katsuki.In post 1543, fferyllt wrote:But seriously, Katsuki's involvement today doesn't worry you at all?
His only real line of attack was about Amrun posting in another game earlier in the day than she first posted in this one when day 6 started.
Quite so. The question becomes, which of you is it?In post 1547, fferyllt wrote:actually if amrum is scum then katsuki or I must be her psrtner, no? "confirming" our claims?
Possibly. I don't think speculation on what Amrun's role might be will be helpful at this juncture, however.fferyllt wrote:Amrun must have some sort of flavor ability. Maybe it would have helped locate the Armageddon triggering player.
