Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[pieguyn]

I think one of the only things I can do as a player is readjust to new information. if smth happens that somehow confirms you as town then yeah

also, now that I think about it
WHY would you ever put a cop and a town bulletproof in the same game? if cop investigates the bulletproof then there's a confirmed town floating around that can't even be killed

[GoodCop_BadCop]

That's why scum got gaiden to counter.

[Sakura Hana]

Just going to go ahead and say i didn't get a gift, now imma eat dinner, be back in a few when i eat and have read the previous page.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok now i read, props to pieguy, what he mentioned is one of the reasons I haven't landed a vote yet (otherwise i'd be all over bubba) I don't think Jaqen showed any hard suspicion and willingness to lynch bubba as much as yesterday, and he died over pie, that's making me think he was right.

[pieguyn]

I fucking hate this game

we should have lynched bubba yesterday. lynching the SK at that point was an important theory point bc it makes the parity correct and gives us an extra mislynch

that Varsoon wagon was fucking terrible. I'm looking back at there to see what the fuck happened

[Saki]

varsoon why weren't you scum

jerk

[pieguyn]

GoodCop_BadCop (L-5): ActionDan | Jaqen Hghar
bubbajack8 (L-5): pieguyn | notscience
Varsoon (Lynch):

Sakura Hana

| Katarina LeBlanc | MafiaSSK |

Saki

|

bubbajack8

|

GoodCop_BadCop

| Varsoon
Not Voting: zMuffinMan,

Nachomamma8

TOWN: pieguyn, Katarina LeBlanc, ActionDan, MafiaSSK, zMuffinMan

Nachomamma8
GoodCop_BadCop
Saki
Sakura Hana
bubbajack8

is it a coincidence every single unknown besides Nacho was on here

[pieguyn]

Ok now i read, props to pieguy, what he mentioned is one of the reasons I haven't landed a vote yet (otherwise i'd be all over bubba) I don't think Jaqen showed any hard suspicion and willingness to lynch bubba as much as yesterday, and he died over pie, that's making me think he was right.

nice buddying

especially when you manipulated me to stop defending the shit out of Varsoon yesterday

not to mention this isn't even right. Jaqen started saying bubba was probably town near the end whereas I was pushing really really hard for bubba lynch

[pieguyn]

GoodCop_BadCop (L-5): ActionDan | Jaqen Hghar
bubbajack8 (L-5): pieguyn | notscience
Varsoon (Lynch):

Sakura Hana

| Katarina LeBlanc | MafiaSSK |

Saki

|

bubbajack8

|

GoodCop_BadCop

| Varsoon
Not Voting: zMuffinMan,

Nachomamma8

TOWN: pieguyn, Katarina LeBlanc, ActionDan, MafiaSSK, zMuffinMan

Nachomamma8
GoodCop_BadCop
Saki
Sakura Hana
bubbajack8

is it a coincidence every single unknown besides Nacho was on here

bubba is quite obviously SK. there is no way in hell he's not. we can't tell anything from the N4 kill considering it happened after I started doing the NKA

I don't feel like pulling up evidence, but GCBC's vote on Varsoon was too damn survivalistic, felt like scum hedging onto a mislynch and when I called him he started asking me a bunch of pointless fluff questions

looking at other votes

[GoodCop_BadCop]

that Varsoon

wagon

ATE/play was fucking terrible.

FTFY, but by all means, continue to be self-righteous.

~GC

[zMuffinMan]

he was softing a guilty on GCBC all over the place

i'm pretty sure he wasn't - at some point during yesterday (after the whole SK reaction test had happened) i remember talking to him about it and him basically saying that whatever he received, he couldn't use it til last night (side note: i have no idea why notscience wasn't protecting jaqen but whatever)

also, i think if he had a guilty or any sort of information that gcbc was scum, he woulda come right out with it instead of voting varsoon (prior to the posts disappearing), doing the bubba thing, etc

[pieguyn]

Unvote
Vote: Varsoon

Flashlynch go!

2 Kills Night 1
1 Kill Night 2.
2 Kills Night 3.

And Varsoon is the only one who has claimed something that has anything to do with those second kills (They were on odd-nights too!), so either we got no sk or Varsoon's the SK.
pieguy, what are your thoughts on this?
Saki, you did something like this on FEA (Claimed even-night vig because of your unconsecutive night ninja), what are your thoughts on Varsoon's claim?

Odd-night Vigilante, One-shot redirector.
Town.
That's me.

No.

VOTE: Varsoon

VOTE: Varsoon

Varsoon/GCBC/Muffin
pick one
guys please

VOTE: Varsoon "Here's an idea. I'm going to claim vig, and attack bubba more. I Realize I'm getting strung up so I redact my claim, and then go back to attacking bubba."

Smart move.

Is this game really gaining momentum?!? I completely disagree on Bubba, sorry Cabd.

Jaqen, your biggest weakness is you scum-hunting based around your conf-bias that we are scum. It literally screws up all of your reads. Use something else besides associative tells to scum-hunt until you actually see flips. Just a little pro-tip.

Varsoon, I still don't think you are town. If you actually are town, and want your "gambit" to do what you had intended, you need to prove your fake-claim with your death. Peace.

VOTE: Varsoon

~GC

[pieguyn]

both Sakura and SSK used his "vig"claim as an excuse onto the wagon and then kept their vote on even after he redacted the claim. Sakura cited a game as a reason to stay on the wagon.

@Sakura:

exactly what was similar to C9++ about this?

we can't tell shit from Saki's vote

bubba's was surivalistic as fuck which is expected from an SK

GCBC's was survivalisic and when I called him on it he asked me this

Do you find survivalistic votes alignment indicative pie?

~GC

Also, I am not sure why you are calling my vote survivalistic?

~GC

WHY WOULD HE ASK THIS TO SOMEONE HE KNOWS IS TOWN? I don't see what he was aiming to accomplish here and it feels entirely like manipulation and useless fluff

[pieguyn]

zmuffin can you link plz? I can't be assed to back and check sry

[zMuffinMan]

Are you gonna sit there and tell me you'd actually ever change your mind on my alignment with honesty? Didn't think so

if i weren't considering the possibility that you're town, i woulda been all over you wagon yesterday

as is, i'm looking at the night kills and thinking about why jaqen was targeted; obv because he was claiming he had some sort of investigative ability, but he was also the most likely target for protection (assuming ns isn't a derp). which actually makes me think more strongly that bubba is SK and SK has some sort of ability to bypass protection (or he just took a risk that jaqen wouldn't be protected because he was fucked otherwise). i suppose you could also argue this implicates me as another possible investigation target, but meh. main point here is i think it's possible the SK also has some sort of protection-bypassing ability (or roleblock), which makes the amount of claimed anti-kill power make a bit more sense

[zMuffinMan]

@pie 4592

[pieguyn]

also Sakura and Saki were double-teaming the "similar to see nine plus plus" excuse. I'm not sure if that means anything or not

I also don't know what to make of Sakura manipulating me into townblock'ing zmuffin

I don't buy the strongman is intended to counter the bulletproof conftown considering there were already 2 protective roles, it was only a 1 shot strongman (where we already have cop+doctor in the game to set up a follow the cop. given this I'd expect there to be more strongman shots to counter all this shit), and bulletproof making way more sense as a scum role

[Sakura Hana]

exactly what was similar to C9++ about this?

He counter claimed the town roleblocker and then retracted it when he was the one being wagoned.

[bubbajack8]

ok

this is what happened. Jaqen died but I'm almost positive he was softing this.

he did that SK gambit, which he later revealed to be a gambit. but then where did the inventor shot from N3 go?

he was softing a guilty on GCBC all over the place. the inventor probably gave him 1-shot cop or smth like that

brb pulling up evidene

Interesting idea. I don't like muffin, so my conf bias says "kill Jaqen and then say he was softing a guilty!" and then my head says "Because the guilty's gotten so far on muffin".

Willing to assume actiondan-town here, making it:

Spoiler: Cabd does his VCA thingies, this is just for my visual aid

Final day 1 lynch count:

SXTLHGaiden

(LYNCH):

Kazekirimaru

| Katerina LeBlanc |

Kagami | Messiah Complex

| zMuffinman | bubbajack8 |

Serene

| Saki

Varsoon

(L-4):

ActionDan

|

dramonic

|

Notscience

|

Lush Life

|

GoodCop_BadCop

|

The Chamber of Kittens

|

Varsoon

bubbajack8 (L-8):

Mafia SSK |

SXTLHGaiden

| Sakura Hana

Action Dan

(L-10):

pieguyn

Messiah Complex

(L-10):

Nachomamma8

GoodCop_BadCop (L-10):

Jaqen Hghar

Height of actiondan wagon:

ActionDan

(L-1):

pieguyn

| MafiaSSK| bubbajack8 |

Varsoon | Lush Life

| Nachomamma8 |

Messiah Complex

| Katarina LeBlanc |

notscience

Varsoon

(L-9):

dramonic

Katarina LeBlanc (L-9):

Jaqen Hghar

The Chamber of Kittens

(L-8):

ActionDan

|

Kagami

Not Voting:

zMuffinMan,

The Chamber of Kittens

, Sakura Hana, Saki,

GoodCop_BadCop

Day 2 Final Votecount:

ActionDan

(L-6):

MafiaSSK |

Varsoon | Messiah Complex | notscience

Katarina LeBlanc (L-9):

Jaqen Hghar

The Chamber of Kittens

(Lynch):

ActionDan

|

Kagami

| zMuffinMan |

GoodCop_BadCop | pieguyn

| bubbajack8 | Katarina LeBlanc |

dramonic

| Saki | Nachomamma8

Not Voting:

The Chamber of Kittens

, Sakura Hana,

Lush Life

Under the assumption this vote counts are based on flips why is Action Dan green?

Pie get it through your thick skull I'm not a fucking SK.You said yourself you could see a 5 scum team. SO what the hell. Also where's this evidence you were going to post.

More Sk shit. Really pie. Bet me fucking money right now. I will gladly take your money.

And now zmuffin's sprouting about "obviously he had some investigative..."

WHAT ABOUT THE CONFIRMED FLIPPED COP! WHAT THE FUCKING HELL DUDE.

[zMuffinMan]

lol

[zMuffinMan]

i am convinced bubba doesn't actually read posts in any depth

[Sakura Hana]

Under the assumption this vote counts are based on flips why is Action Dan green?

Willing to assume actiondan-town here, making it:

Very pro reader

[zMuffinMan]

also Sakura and Saki were double-teaming the "similar to see nine plus plus" excuse. I'm not sure if that means anything or not

saki is probably scum so no surprises here - it was easy reasoning to jump on after sakura brought it up

[zMuffinMan]

looking back at that AD L-1 wagon makes me think there's a decent chance of scum in {mafiassk, nacho} (assuming AD is town). considering it was running counter to cok, there's almost certainly scum somewhere in the buildup

[pieguyn]

remind me why Saki is scum

looking back at that AD L-1 wagon makes me think there's a decent chance of scum in {mafiassk, nacho} (assuming AD is town). considering it was running counter to cok, there's almost certainly scum somewhere in the buildup

you do realize the AD wagon came first right? plus me and a bunch of other people were pushing him really hard. it seems possible it was town driven although I could maaaybe see nacho if GIF gave scum a towncred role

what do you think of Nacho's actual play so far?