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Post Post #1775 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:22 pm

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gossamer wings wrote:She hasn't posted in a couple days and these are her only real posts today. She looks like she's poised to move her vote onto FourTrouble, though her vote has remained on Anatole. Earlier she made some remark about how scum tend to be sticky with their votes while pushing other people. She's voting Anatole, isn't really pushing him, and is looking to find a reason to change her vote here to four trouble.

Reads scummy to me.


Not a bad point.

How are you guys on the FT read?

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Post Post #1776 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:25 pm

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I believe we are both in not want to lynch him mode; I believe we both lean cautious town, but I'm waiting for Falcon to catch up and address the things I left for him.
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Post Post #1777 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:25 pm

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Cutty Shark wrote:
fferyllt wrote:Who else would you like to discuss?


Let's pick this up tomorrow, but really everyone. What are your catchup reads? I've thrown out plenty of reads myself: what do you think of those?

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I haven't really started catching up yet. I may start into it tonight if insomnia hits. I jumped into in-the-moment interactions with a few folks and started trying to figure out what I think about the main wagon and what are being bandied about as alternatives.
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Post Post #1778 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:26 pm

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I need to probably readjust again and I don't feel I have time.

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Post Post #1779 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:28 pm

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Also this is probably the worst I've felt about ffery in any game I've ever been in with her. Mostly gut - error bars are wide right now.

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Post Post #1780 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:36 pm

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Cutty Shark wrote:Also this is probably the worst I've felt about ffery in any game I've ever been in with her. Mostly gut - error bars are wide right now.

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sigh.

And I read page 1 and 2 just for you.

The post that stuck out to me oddly enough was mala's honey bee vote.
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Post Post #1781 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:16 pm

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Mala's Honey bee vote in rvs pings. She usually votes friends/people she is looking forward to playing with in RVS iirc.

If Honey bee turns out to be scum I think this needs to be looked at.

I like baboon pride's post . I think this is a ceph post. I've liked their earlier posts, too. I think they're mostly mara.

I could have vivid nightmares about a ceph/mara scum-hydra. Their posts aren't unleashing that particular kraken so far.

- lolled.

flubbernugget/5-off interaction on page 5 pings.

Page 8 and the neighborhood stuff is totally confusing. Don't know who is in the neighborhood? Ah makes some sense of it. shades of xenosaga.

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Post Post #1782 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:21 pm

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fferyllt wrote:Mala's Honey bee vote in rvs pings. She usually votes friends/people she is looking forward to playing with in RVS iirc.


can vice versa be applied?

mala!scum=honey!scum

i reisoed and honey doesnt look like herself in WIFOM CITY for some odd reason...

im vaugly here and was readin interactions with you+bork
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Post Post #1783 (ISO) » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:56 pm

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I have no creativity wrote:can vice versa be applied?


Maybe? Not sure.
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Post Post #1784 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:31 am

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Page 10, mara's reacction, in some cases relayed by Ceph, to four trouble picking up stuff she said in the neighborhood and stating it like it's his idea, this feels like town Mara.

Baboon Pride wrote:almost guaranteed to have scum in the 1 of 4, or, in my perspective, 1 of 3 FT being the most likely of the three. Aside the fact, both Lissa and 5-off have been newb-town, mostly from the neighborhood and Lissa's in thread content has been, as well. As far as "gambit" goes, it's unlikely to come from newb-scum.

pedit: yeah, mostly. What about FT do you not get, and what has he even done that's town?


Mara I don't get why you're calling 5-off newbtown. I thought he had offsite experience and four trouble and f-16 discussed that he gambits there.

Post by Anatole doesn't jibe all that well with my thoughts reaching this point in the game. Based on the game, I have Tammy and Baboon town and Lissa null. I also think the way he takes four trouble's side immediately in the Mara/FT stuff looks bad. I think there's some validity to the points she brings up about FT. The conclusion is in doubt.

FT's comment that he's engaging F-16 as a means of reading F-16's alignment is of note, given Tammy has been towning all over the thread at that point. Anatole's comment that Lissa's (rvs?) vote on FT being sticky is a good catch, though.

This is what I hate about neighborhoods - the he said she said in the game thread - and the fact that some players are developing reads and cases based on stuff the rest of the players can't see or evaluate.

I'll just go ahead and ask if there has been anything today that has looked like a non-neighborhood player was aware of comments made in the neighborhood that weren't disclosed in the game thread?

Fonz' is mostly good, but there's something formulaic about it that troubles me a little. is also good.

Anatole's has a strong "thinking what I'm thinking when I'm thinking it" feel. At this point in my catch up, it's something I've been wondering about the neighborhood.

Anatole's gives me slight whiteknighting vibes.

and posted in the same minute. Not sure it's relevant but the "My vote wasn't random"/"His vote was random" could be scumbuddies steppeing on each other, but I kinda doubt it (doubt both are scum - one at most).

I kinda don't like anatole's opaqueness here, but I know I do this sometimes to draw out other players' thoughts and reactions. "not necessarily" though, that sounds kinda hedgy. Post - I like this one, and overall I like how he and Mara have interacted about her FT read.

this is a pretty good sum up of where I stand regarding FT.

On page 17, with some 5-off posts at the top, it occurs to me that I can't remember much he's done besides state a few times that "it wasn't a gambit". I know there was other stuff but it didn't stick with me at all. hmm. A couple of times I've wanted to write "he's pushing tangential stuff" but I'm not really sure that's accurate. It's just that he blew up the neighborhood apparently, but it doesn't look like he's put much into using what transpired to develop reads. And yet, I like , and I wonder if I've glossed over earlier posts that had similarly good observations. Need to review.

Oh and 5-off confirms level of experience. Still want to know why Mara had that impression.

made me laugh. So did .

is p much the opposite of my reaction to MaraCeph.

is so
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I agree with bork's thoughts at this time. If he hadn't already been his town self as much as he did, this post would probably have sealed it.

This puts me at the bottom of page 20.
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Post Post #1785 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:52 am

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I didn't vote ft because i was comfortable with his play early on and I don't know what to make of his read. If its well justified i'm fine with it, but he's ignoring me which just confuses me. Csareo is doing the same thing as he's barely dropped any reads.

And I prefer ak lynch but if he's promising to prove his innocence then there's not a whole lot I can do there. That makes or breaks his alignment.
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Post Post #1786 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:48 am

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Hey Honey Bee. Imagine you were going to be modkilled immediately after your next post.

What is the one thing you most want town to be aware of and give serious consideration to after you're gone?
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Post Post #1787 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:17 am

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It's strange to me that HB is becoming a legitimate wagon. I feel like she's your standard low charisma day 1 lynch. Much prefer FT/AK/Nashville. I know I'm not super engaged here, but, it looks to me like we need to start consolidating.

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Post Post #1788 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:22 am

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The Fonz wrote:Hey Honey Bee. Imagine you were going to be modkilled immediately after your next post.

What is the one thing you most want town to be aware of and give serious consideration to after you're gone?

Can I have two things?

I'd want them to be aware that AK's gameplay still has no interest in finding out the alignment of his reads, and instead comes to him seemingly out of nowhere.

Also that Csareo didn't go about his plan to solve the game and pressured the roles he did know and out instead of keeping them hidden. It feels like rolefishing and betrays his original motive.

Peedit: I'm fine with getting lynched today. I haven't been useful at all and I am having trouble paying attention in my games.
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Post Post #1789 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:36 am

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Baboon Pride wrote:It's strange to me that HB is becoming a legitimate wagon. I feel like she's your standard low charisma day 1 lynch. Much prefer FT/AK/Nashville. I know I'm not super engaged here, but, it looks to me like we need to start consolidating.

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Well yeah, but it's nonetheless grating that ze shows up near deadline and says a few throwaway things about relatively unimportant matters, and I still have literally zero idea what zir perspective on the game is. I mean this:

Honey bee wrote:I didn't vote ft because i was comfortable with his play early on and I don't know what to make of his read. If its well justified i'm fine with it, but he's ignoring me which just confuses me. Csareo is doing the same thing as he's barely dropped any reads.

And I prefer ak lynch but if he's promising to prove his innocence then there's not a whole lot I can do there. That makes or breaks his alignment.


"I'm not going to vote the leading wagon, because he might have a good justification. I'm then going to put in a pointless comment about a player who's not a lynch candidate, and the one actual read I'm going to state is one that I'm acknowledging isn't going to happen, and don't have any particular desire to expend social capital to make happen - plus another "stating the obvious" point that finding out whether he's telling the truth or not about his role is important in determining his alignment.'

Honey Bee seems to lack any town motive whatsoever. And yet that seems normal for the player. And yet ze lacks any kind of town motive whatsoever. You know what I mean? You can accept that it's consistent with zir normal playstyle, and that ze's probably just a horrible player, the exact sort of person who regularly gets lynched D1 irrespective of alignment - and yet the total lack of town motivation still can't help but stick in your craw.

Pre-edit: What HB just posted doesn't really change any of the above. Also, I would like Zim to explain what ze's saying about csareo, because it kind of doesn't make sense to me as written.
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Post Post #1790 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:49 am

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I'm sorry but I'm not going to be able to catch up today. I'm really sick and won't be able to process half of what I read. I decided not to go to the doctor yesterday but I'll probably go soon. :/
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Post Post #1791 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:57 am

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@ffery-

Baboon Pride wrote:Also, I think it was Falcon who brought it up, but I dont particularly care about wether or not 5-off has played mafia before ms, he is new
here
and that means he is new to a whole different level of mafia. I had two years experience prior to coming on here, i have made it known, and I always had a confident scum-game but it doesnt change the genuine tone that happened when he assumed everyone else had the same info in their pm that hr had in his, and it closely matches tje genuineness I had when claiming scum in wingate mansion (not sure if you read that game, but you can run it by tammy)


I believe this is where Mara's treatment of 5-off comes from, and for what it's worth, I agreed with her when she brought this up. I treat MS-new people as new, though if someone told me they were from MTGS (the only other place I remotely respect), I might care slightly.

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Post Post #1792 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:57 am

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(Though I don't agree that any of it particularly makes 5-off town)
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Post Post #1793 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:20 am

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The Fonz wrote: Also, I would like Zim to explain what ze's saying about csareo, because it kind of doesn't make sense to me as written.

Csareo said originally he wanted to confirm people via flavor, as he thought the scum were given scum flavors. But he outed his own idea by revealing the players, which would give any scum proof that they needed to truthfully claim. Then he proceeded to pressure the people he did know (you/shark) for confirmation on the information. It feels more like that he wanted to confirm the roles he thought he could determine from flavor rather than just seeing if they would lie. I can't justify it from a town perspective to want to interact with the people he thought was town prs to see if they were lying, rather than determine the alignment of roles he thought didn't fit the theme.
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Post Post #1794 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:24 am

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Fery..

You have to remember for the beginning part of the game I was a secret hydra. I wasn't known until I outted. Secondly I have played with honey before and enjoyed playing with her plus there's a song that matches her name!

@Bork:

I am going to link my reads list to Titus and ask her which she disagrees with or agrees with. At the moment I know what she doesn't agree with is csearo/Mara hydra/ I think GW although that could be stale at the moment.

The rest are either near or around what we are thinking idk.

@ika: thanks for ignoring my reach out buddy!

@cephrawr: I totally forgot you were in that game plus that game doesn't bring up good memories. It has to be the worst game of mine to meltdown in and makes me look like a 5 yr old.
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Post Post #1795 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:27 am

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Nashville Dreams wrote:Fery..

You have to remember for the beginning part of the game I was a secret hydra. I wasn't known until I outted. Secondly I have played with honey before and enjoyed playing with her plus there's a song that matches her name!


Are you talking about the open masons and monks game I modded?
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Post Post #1796 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:01 am

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gossamer I guess you missed this post because he asked about my vote on FT

Anatole Kuragin wrote:
FourTrouble wrote:Anatole, why'd you vote me?


Deadline is approaching.

Don't like your posts since the bp/me/csareo thing and I didn't like the way you turned around and tried to make a scum case on me when you got a little breathing room from your noose.

I am also inclined to give 3/4 people on your wagon benefit of the doubt based on recent reads and interactions.

I'd honestly vote for you, ihnc, nash, or honey right now though because we need to work towards a consensus and while honey is giving me the worst scum gut scum vibe, the rest of you would provide a lot more information with a lynch so I'm willing to compromise.
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Post Post #1797 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:02 am

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you asked* also you probably missed it because 90% of this game is pointless conjecture on meta and hydras that make it even more difficult to get reads on day 1 than usual
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Post Post #1798 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:14 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:you asked* also you probably missed it because 90% of this game is pointless conjecture on meta and hydras that make it even more difficult to get reads on day 1 than usual


You didn't complain about hydras in the previous game we played together. What's this about?
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Post Post #1799 (ISO) » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:23 am

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fferyllt wrote:
Anatole Kuragin wrote:you asked* also you probably missed it because 90% of this game is pointless conjecture on meta and hydras that make it even more difficult to get reads on day 1 than usual


You didn't complain about hydras in the previous game we played together. What's this about?


which game was that?

were there 3 hydras constantly disagreeing with eachother, referencing it, and complaining about discrepancies in each of their metas for the bulk of the game?
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