Mini 1630: Edgar Allan Poe uPick GAME OVER!

[Bookitty]

Okay, I'm confused.

Why neighbourise Lynx if you want to lynch him anyway? If he's lynched, his power will work according to him anyway. So the only reason to neighbourise him would be to ensure he could communicate after being NKed.

I see no point to neighbourising Lynx and lynching him as well. We could just lynch him in that case with no neighbourising needed.

Please explain.

[Ghatokaca]

Why neighbourise Lynx if you want to lynch him anyway? If he's lynched, his power will work according to him anyway. So the only reason to neighbourise him would be to ensure he could communicate after being NKed.

Correct. His power gives information, my power is a fail-safe to guarantee it makes it all the way to us.
If the information has its own way of making its way to us, then I probably will neighborize Policy Lynch over him. If the only way he can communicate his information is by message-sending, then I want to make double sure it comes through since the entire reason lynching him is beneficial is because the power itself is as worth it as it is.

[copper223]

I'd rather you neighborized Lynx anyway.

[Bookitty]

Okay, to be absolutely clear:

@Lynx: 1. If you are lynched, will you be able to communicate with us even if you are not neighbourised? 2. If you are neighbourised, do you still need to be lynched to use your power on behalf of town?

@copper: You would rather Lynx be neighbourised over being lynched, or regardless?

[Bookitty]

Oh. In other news, I think Ghato is town now. I don't see scum proposing this strategy UNLESS Lynx is scum too and I'm convinced that is not the case.

[copper223]

@Boo
No, I'd rather lynch Lynx in the way he wants to and for gatho to neighborize him as well, gatho claims he is a neighborizer

of the dead

, I think that's what is creating your confusion.

[Bookitty]

I think that Ghato's power is redundant if we lynch Lynx. But I'm not sure. THAT is the source of my confusion.

I got that it would be an "after the fact" thing. But if we lynch Lynx, he won't be the nightkill, and the neighbourising action may not be necessary.

[copper223]

Well that's my suggestion given the information I believe I have and because I'd like to make sure we get the best out of Lynx's play, it's up to Ghato to decide if I'm wrong or the suggestion has merit.

[BRantz]

So Ghato you are saying you look at Kthx's play and see nothing wrong there?

Also we addressed that CofA's push on Copper was the only thing I liked about their play up to the point of my pbpa in posts 229 and 232.

I like CofA more now, I don't agree with their read of boo, but like the analysis they are putting into the game.

Ghato how do you feel about the players you didn't talk about at all in your posts?

[copper223]

<3 Anyone else have thoughts on this?

- Gatho and Policy for sure.

- Boo and Catastrophe most likely

- One of CoA and FTL

- Self vote.

[TierShift]

Calling people jester can be scummy for a multitude of reasons, but saying that it's "discrediting lynch and blaming the wagon on him" isn't even close to one of them, unless you'd be happy explaining this a little bit.

I most definitely will, in my following post. Phone makes me unable to search for a quote while making a post.

Lol, upset much

Is there a reason you just backed the fuck off here?
Or did you just not have anything else to say?

In the preceding post, TSO asked me to elaborate while 3/4 of the post was yelling at me. I know that from him and I know responding to find him out will do me no good in such a situation and will instead just lead to him clogging up the gamethread. The reason I made the post was not to convince the town to vote catastrophe, but rather to engage him and when I saw I couldn't, I stopped.
@TSO: it's a pretty serious flaw in your play that you prefer yelling over working together, but w/e

From memory her posts are pretty town.

Then again, somewhat appeasing? Idk
Good read sunday or tonight, not sure yet.

This post sucks.
Probably no CoA/TS scumteam though.

My placeholder posts are pretty placeholdery and don't actually exist to convey a message.

Wrt to your voting me, go ahead...if you've got no better place to vote. I'm pretty sure someone voted me before today, I think it was coa. So take a look at the VC and put that thingy where it does more good.

[TierShift]

Oh. In other news, I think Ghato is town now. I don't see scum proposing this strategy UNLESS Lynx is scum too and I'm convinced that is not the case.

Why'd you expect ghato to propose this strategy if lynxx were scum?

[TierShift]

If ghato is scum too, ofc.

[TierShift]

Wrt the copper scumread early day 1, see this quote from scum:

At this point I'm so confused I'm just hoping for someone other than you to town read me so I can sheep.
I can't make my town any more obvious than it already is, and everyone who scum reads that is questionable.

Why would I think you are town when you make a post like this?

This is trying to blame the scumread player for the scumread, as in 'well I can't help that I'm voting him, he's just that scummy' which is classic scum not trying to take responsability for their votes. I had the same feeling about copper's post. He was calling lynx a jester instead of explauning why he thought why lynx was scummy, trying to shift responsability away from himself 'wow he was so scummy that I even thought he was jester, lol how did he flip town, I had to vote him'.
If you don't understand this, I cannot help you.

But well, all this was invalidated when I realised copper did not, in fact, vote lynx

[Bookitty]

@Tiershift: I don't know that I would EXPECT it. Thinking about a neighbouriser, though, my reasoning goes like this:

Assuming that Lynx will be able to communicate with us after he dies if he is lynched (something I was guessing at but do not know for sure), scumGhato wouldn't want to lynch him. Neighbourising him would also not make much sense, since it would just be redundant. Ghato said he was 95 percent sure he knew the role (I don't) and that he thought Lynx was doing it right. There's no way that I see that scum Ghato would say that about town Lynx. I personally find it unlikely that scum Ghato would say that about scum Lynx, and I for sure don't think Lynx is scum.

Ghato's play about the neighbouriser makes no sense from a scum perspective. I think that's regardless of Lynx's alignment, but I already thought Lynx was town, so it's moot anyway.

In short (yeah, I know, too late) Ghato offering to neighbourise Lynxtown doesn't come from scum imo. Lynx asking to be lynched for role related reasons doesn't come from scum either. If both were scum maybe it would be possible but unlikely bad play, but I think it's just impossible since Lynx is town.

[TierShift]

Correction to my previous post: copper did in fact vote lynx.

You guys are gonna regret this wagon, promise.

When did you realise lynching you was pro-town? You seem pretty opposed to it here.

PL gets no townpoints for that opening, he literally went down the "what makes morph townread something on the first post" list and checked every box as he went. Which seems too deliberate and targeted at me?

Do you believe in scum loveriser?

[TierShift]

No offence, but lynx isn't one of the stronger players here imo. I wouldn't see why scumghato would not rather neighbourise weak town and leave strong town to die.

[TierShift]

You play a lot with Mollie and that kind of intro is what I'd expect from Mollie scum, unfortunately I have no direct scum meta on you. Your vote on me because I said the player I started the RVS on seemed scummy and I did the same in lucky star is good enough at first glance and may bag you a town read or two if the average player checks it out, but the quality of the two reads and the replies from Lynx and Lia are very different, so no hun for now I don't like you because you are going for appearance over analysis.

I didn't nderstand this post at first, but it strongly makes me think of copper as town now. Just a too weird story to push for new scum.

PurloinedLetter

(0): Catastrophe

@Nacho: quoted for convenience.

Drunken comments ping you now? Alright.

No matter what the original post, drunk comments can ping and are probably more likely to do so since you have worse focus and ability to hide beng scum while drunk. This is pretty dismissive and I don't like it.

[TierShift]

I've been debating about talking about this, but there is something in my role PM that indicates that something could happen that could cause something else. Does anyone else know what I am talking about?

Okay. I've decided to respond, because I have a same text in my role PM and I think you are town.
I know more or less what the thing is that is going to be caused by the action and I

strongly

advise for you to do anything you can to make the 'something that could happen' happen.
If you still think I'm town, please heed my advice.

I like copper for town so far.

Eh, I don't see what you're seeing, but I'm not sure yet.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: copper

This post is aggressively mediocre and completely avoids all discussion happenng around it. This should be today's lynch.

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@Krystal: Do you have reasons to think we shouldn't be voting Lynx today? If you think we should, please nod. If not, please shake your head at me.

*Shakes head.*
*Points at LynxKuroneko. Moves fingers back and forth, parallel to one another, then clutches heart and falls to the ground, before slowly floating back up while wiggling her fingers and making an O with her mouth.*

I do not understand this and do want to understand it. Can you explain?

[copper223]

@Tier
She is saying she doesn't want to lynch Lynx because she thinks he is town, the finger moving is making a horizontal line, the falling a vertical one (she is drawing the letter T), then she mouths an O so

to

wn.

Krystal has since changed her read on Lynx to fence leaning scum (which I want to her about).

Can you explain your logic for thinking the players that jumped on the Lynx RVS wagon, FTL and Kthxbye, are scummier than Lynx himself?

[TierShift]

Early game, I saw lynx as an excellent spot for scum to votepark.

I have ftl as town atm and kthx as scum and neither has much to do with their initial vote for lynx.

[copper223]

Why would Lynx not be an excellent spot for town to votepark?

Reviewing it I'm not so sure about my initial Krystal interpretation, I think she rather meant we should let him activate his secondary ability (by lynching him) as he asked us to so he can tell us something after he dies.

[Catastrophe]

Okay, just before this clogs up the thread:
We are unvotable/voteless for X number of days. You will not know what number X is, as we have another ability that is influenced by X and that ability should not be claimed. X might or might not be influenceable.

@Cata: The way this was claimed feels very town to me. I feel like scum would tell us exactly the number of days they would be voteless to gain towncred, but without doing so Tier has given us even more information on their role!

So, what you're saying here is, when they said "We'll be voteless for X days, X is completely variable and you don't get to know it!" we got more information on their ability than, say, "We are voteless for 3 days." ...?

What?

There's a disproportionate amount of real estate in the ISO devoted to Lynx, and even with all that she comes to the hilariously erroneous conclusion that we should lynch him even though she's convinced he's town. Regardless of any claimed abilities, he's definitely better to town alive than dead.

But Lynx has -said- that he's more use alive than dead - what's the problem here?

Is there a reason you just backed the fuck off here? Or did you just not have anything else to say?

In the preceding post, TSO asked me to elaborate while 3/4 of the post was yelling at me. I know that from him and I know responding to find him out will do me no good in such a situation and will instead just lead to him clogging up the gamethread. The reason I made the post was not to convince the town to vote catastrophe, but rather to engage him and when I saw I couldn't, I stopped.
@TSO: it's a pretty serious flaw in your play that you prefer yelling over working together, but w/e.

Well, yeah, you definitely engaged me - but you were wrong. So, I told you exactly that.

It was a pretty bad post, and I presumed you hadn't responded because you knew you were wrong.

It's cute you trying to pin this on me by saying that "I couldn't respond because that psychopath TSO was yelling at me!", but it's simply not true. I didn't use caps in that post, I didn't even swear in that post.

You were wrong, plain and simple - and it's alright to be wrong sometimes, but if you try to say that your problem is my fault, that's when

I

have a problem.

-TSO

[TierShift]

Spoiler:

Lynx does seem pretty scummy though, did you roll Jester m'boy?

^this is why I'm voting copper. This is a hop onto the wagon that is serious with no good reasoning behind it.

He starts with: it's not OMGUS I promise (???), then an aTe about please stop voting me, then he hints PR with you will regret this and finally he avoids answering questions with random conments: I'm following the flow, he then went further with the PR hints.

He is either a very awkward scum player or something else is going on.

^His reasoning behind it when asked about his comment

It all seems forced and fake and after looking into copper, it's pretty easy to see where

VOTE: copper

comes from.

Also, he's avoiding me and my vote like the plague to avoid an OMGUS.

Oh and this:

I did a quick search of Ktx and did not find the same D1 wagon fondness in other games, direct meta someone?

is straight up false. A quick search should have revealed my hate/disinterest in D1's (and more often than not D2's) and my flippant voting on such days.

Unless it's a strong town read of mine, I give 2 shits who get's lynched today.

This is another post that completely misses all discussion preceding it. He's posting just to be seen posting. Want lynch.

Lol, upset much

I think it's just called being right.

I still have the utmost desire not to engage you, but can you please explain the coa and medea reads further? The problem I have with them is that they're pretty much non-commital reads.

I'd prefer tool to answer this, if possible.

*Points at PurloinedLetter with her left hand and Catastrophe with her right hand. Does the mouth thing again. Looking at the left hand, she dons a scowl that deepens as the conversation wears on. Then, looking to the right hand, she begins to cheer and even shows the slightest hint of a smile.*

I wonder how you can seriously think catastrophe came out of that conversation looking good. Please try to explain.

The townreads she's doled out so far are for pretty superficial reasons. The one on you is a perfect example of what I'm talking about there.

I think her townreads are pretty good. Can you elaborate on the other superficial obes?

I did not like these posts very much. Despite the fact that COA is my best scumread right now, I would be open to listening to them discuss why I should lynch this instead.

-Ceph

If you weren't getting a free pass today for being essentially a claimed vig, this would be scummy af.

I just said I wanted to policy lynch varsoon, so whatever case you get out of me is gonna have a healthy dose of 'irrational' and 'non-game related.' IME he's a liability to town and there's a decent chance he'll just quit under pressure leaving us with sonic, who is much easier to read.

Now that said? That is a pair of shitty posts. Particularly townreading Fightingmomma8:16 over nothing. And their ISO is not confidence inspiring. But my partner just put down an excellent vote and my feelings on the matter are Not To Be Trusted, so find somebody else to lead your charge.

I do not understand the stick sthar has up his butt here.

[TierShift]

Why would Lynx not be an excellent spot for town to votepark?

Because town, by default, want to use their vote on who they think is scummy.
Scum just want to give that illusion, but don't actually scumread people. That's why it's easy for them to leave a vote on an objectively scummy player and stop hunting; they don't actually hunt.

TSO, the problem is that you don't actually want to engage me and see where I come from, as evidenced by your condescending post in that post. Just as in this one. I'm not going to defend my earlier scumread, simply because I don't see any benefit in doing so. If you want to call it a win, go enjoy your win. That's the last I'll say about it. As said, if you have the desire to talk to me, let tool do the talking.