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[scotmany12]

Awww...why did 682 link to 609

post 682

That's the one I meant to link to.

[Starbuck]

On MattP's #622, I was really confused as to the pure nastiness that I received by just asking Flameaxe for clarification. I wasn't even trying to argue semantics, as he tried to say. I was just truly confused because in the initial post that I referenced he used the word "inactivity," not ISO. He said that he liked votes on someone that 90% of the players have a null read on due to his lack of contribution other than "GUYS, I CAN'T READ ANYTHING AGAIN." I find that to be questionable. I don't find it to be a reason for a vote, though.

I see the above further explained in #709, and I can see your point.

Additionally, I'm not sure how you can even have a scumread on Davsto when he hasn't given anything to listed as scum or town. At this point, rather than constantly saying that he can't contribute, I wish Davsto would do as SC did and replace out for someone who can commit the time.


See, even though this quote from PZ isn't directed at mollie, he knows the frustration that I'm feeling.

I'm trying to get in your pretty little head and the only way I can do that is through "useless questions." You voted someone, I want the thought process behind it. I'm not going to assume anything because making assumptions leads to bad reads and mistakes, which means yes I want you to actually answer the questions I'm asking. Unless the depth of your play really is "teehee I don't like this post, let's go shopping!" then you should be able to provide me with specifics.

I say star is different because I understand her frustration at having to wait for questions and she's probably disenfranchised by the first part of 609.

Not even just waiting, but being mocked, ignored, and insulted. MS can't have gotten THIS bad.

watching zito go after bins in such a

patronizing vaguely sexist

way makes me wonder about him cos if he cannot see that bins is town by now then I don't even

WHAT? So this gets explained in #707, but if you inherently think that PZ is sexist in anyway, you don't really know him all that well. You know all the snark, sarcasm, and straight up nastiness that you've been throwing around? "Pretty little head" is NOTHING compared to that. In essence, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

It's honestly pretty bizarre that Reck has a scumread on PM considering that

he knows her in real life

. Some other people I have considerably lower expectations of.

Obviously, things change after you meet someone IRL, but I don't think applies in mafia. I've played plenty of games on the VA Board and Mafiastache with people that I know IRL. It doesn't change anything when it comes to the game, so the fact that you would try to use this to discredit Reck is quite concerning as I know he is someone who separates knowing someone IRL and playing mafia with them. People are totally different once they sit down behind their screens.

you are not doing jack shit and you have managed to completely ignore star who was repeatedly asking for you earlier.

Uhhh....he didn't ignore me. For proof, check posts #438 and#443.

Also, it wasn't repeatedly. It was once during my 3rd major catch up post (#404), where I noted his absence, and once after (#418).

ISOing isn't hard.


Also, what a horrid case and vote on Reck. Maybe if you concentrated on this game, instead of reading through the 5 billion other games on the site to put together some kind of weak meta, you'd have a better informed vote?


In addendum, AHA! Reck's 717 ftw.

you are not doing jack shit and you have managed to completely ignore star who was repeatedly asking for you earlier.

oh and this part? wrong

take a look at how I've engaged w/ Starbuck AND HOW STARBUCK KNEW EXACTLY WHAT I WAS DOING (aka I was lurking, waiting for Starbuck's catchup posts so I can get a read on her)

we've been over this. time to catch up on the 21st century mollie

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[Starbuck]

Ahh, looks like Reck took care of the linking of the posts and I didn't even have to, re: mollie's claim that he's ignoring me. Reck couldn't ignore me, even if he tried. Mofo is stuck with me.

Btw, Happy Anniversary, boo.

if you are town then you can occupy the same space of Supreme Derptitude that 2 others currently occupy.

Can "Supreme Derptitude" be my title? I mean, shit, I need to get something out of putting up with this abuse.

And seriously, where the seven hells is Reck? You've got to have some input at this point, love.

please don't do this.

Don't do what? Call out Reck for his lurking? It did its job, like it was supposed to.

eta: @ prozack - are we not allowed to call pple idiots when we think they being 1?

Idiots is one thing. The nastiness you have been throwing is another.

mollie you seemed to have dropped your SC slot suspicion ever since MattP subbed in. What are your updated thoughts on that slot?

This question was in my big response to mollie during my catch up posts. Hopefully, she responds to you.

Also, pop-tarts>toaster streudals

QFT

[Starbuck]

Holy shit it sure is hostile in here

@ zito

if you say to a certain 6'4" fag that I know "your pretty little head" in a line of srs questioning in a patronizing way I promise to go back to my hero-worship of you

u got it, your hero-worship is v important to me

Mollie, you really used THAT word? I know the Reck probably doesn't care, but seriously?

[mykonian]

you managed to add 8 pages in that time.

that kind of game, eh?

[pirate mollie]

cdb said that, not me

He may have said that you were distracted, but you proved it to be true by not acknowledging it.

I don't even know how to acknowledge this. it is so dumb. I DID acknowledge cdb's observation about you I even said that it was the 1 thing that liked that he posted so far.

1. I haven't insulted you once. I may have snarky back at you, but your nastiness is dragging the ENTIRE GAME down. Please stop.

YOU started the potshots towards me. OWN IT.

2. How can you even know what my play is if you aren't even reading what I've said?

I have been asking this question since forever and you still don't read what I say. I feel like I shld extend the same courtesy.

3. Ignoring does NOTHING but hurt the town and prevent the flow of information.

I ignore pple who bait me or try to, albeit unsuccessfully at times. if you are OH SO PROTOWN how about you stop the baiting.

4. So asking you to respond to well-thought out responses is "ankle-biting bullshit?" I even went back to the post in question to re-read and give further insight, and you seemed to completely ignore it.

if I thought it was a well thought out response I wld have responded. I don't think it was.

5. There is nothing wrong with my play, other than you blatantly ignoring and not responding. I placed a little pressure you and YOU BROKE. That seems to be the case here.

your play is surface level it continues to be surface level thank you for being so surface level in your response!

your posts are like nails on chalkboard and make my eyes ears and nose bleed. I probably have blood oozing out of my armpits and nailbeds by now cos I actually try to read your posts and discern the motivation behind them. you are the exact type of player that I kind of despise, you grovel before anything that you perceive bigger than you and try to step on anything that you perceive to be smaller than you.

1. I know we're playing an online forum game, but this immaturity is awful. This type of thing would have been damn close to, if not, a banning a few years back.

Is this what I should expect of all the new school players?

I think it is pretty high schoolish and trying work a kewl kids klub to dismiss me cos I have a newer join date than you.

what I am getting from this post is that you are perfectly fine with flame calling marquis a moronic idiot but me saying that reading your posts make me bleed is somehow not okay.

when you start engaging pple beyond a surface level and stop sucking up to anything where a clash exists that you think might buy your bs then I might start to take you srsly!

2. You've played one day of a Large Game with me and you despise me? How does that make any sense? Are you really letting this GAME become so personal?

I despise the

type

of player that you seem to be in this game.

3. Where have I groveled and where have I tried to step on anyone? What seems to have happened here is that I put a bit of pressure on you and you couldn't handle it.

tell me again how flame calling marquis a moronic idiot is okay.

lets start there.

1. If you noticed, Marquis actually responded with eloquence and took the time to explain out his take on things. He didn't crumble from questioning and pressure.

marquis is better than me as far as patience goes.

tell me again about the link that marquis and I have.

2. I didn't see anything anything wrong with it, but I can see it as a way for scum hide behind and to appear to be contributing.

sure

3. My overall goal was to question and pressure the two of you, and gauge my reads off your reactions (as I've already said). His reaction and your reaction are worlds apart.

fascinating. it is almost like we are 2 different pple.

4. My question is if this was a concern of yours, why did you not direct a question to me to give further insight? Rather than pop off saying that I didn't read posts or that my play is "surface." The former would lead me to think of you as town, but how you've been just seems to me like you're throwing shade. Who is having a problem with "playstyle differences" now?

this is pretty convoluted and I am not sure how to respond! its weird, its like I post things and you don't read them which I have been saying all along.

5. Again, another assumption "I look it and know that any engagement with you will most likely be fruitless, unenjoyable, and not further my understanding of the gamestate." Well if you chilled out a bit and had a conversation, rather than the tantrums that you've been throwing, JUST MAYBE you wouldn't feel this way.

I am not the 1 who threw out the first pot shot. I want you to get beneath the surface so I can read you and so far you are fighting it which makes me not trust you.

1. Thanks for affirming my vote and making CDB's call out of it to be crap.

what does this even mean

are you saying that cdb's call out on you is crap or are you saying that he is town who correctly identified your bs insertion?

2. Also, thanks for affirming that you are going out of your way to withhold information.

this game is weird. like

pple are witholding info all over the place including you. I mean you think I am scum...or something. I feel like you actually know that I am town and are trying to milk the furor.

[pirate mollie]

WHAT? So this gets explained in #707, but if you inherently think that PZ is sexist in anyway, you don't really know him all that well. You know all the snark, sarcasm, and straight up nastiness that you've been throwing around? "Pretty little head" is NOTHING compared to that. In essence, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I flat out stated that I did not think that zito was being sexist.

again you are not reading my posts. I am not being snarky, I am being openly aggressive there is a difference. I feel like you have been nasty but I don't really expect you to own it.

Obviously, things change after you meet someone IRL, but I don't think applies in mafia. I've played plenty of games on the VA Board and Mafiastache with people that I know IRL. It doesn't change anything when it comes to the game, so the fact that you would try to use this to discredit Reck is quite concerning as I know he is someone who separates knowing someone IRL and playing mafia with them. People are totally different once they sit down behind their screens.

tell me more about how you know reck!

ISOing isn't hard.

okay

Also, what a horrid case and vote on Reck. Maybe if you concentrated on this game, instead of reading through the 5 billion other games on the site to put together some kind of weak meta, you'd have a better informed vote?

huh

In addendum, AHA! Reck's 717 ftw.

you are not doing jack shit and you have managed to completely ignore star who was repeatedly asking for you earlier.

oh and this part? wrong

take a look at how I've engaged w/ Starbuck AND HOW STARBUCK KNEW EXACTLY WHAT I WAS DOING (aka I was lurking, waiting for Starbuck's catchup posts so I can get a read on her)

we've been over this. time to catch up on the 21st century mollie

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okay

[pirate mollie]

Holy shit it sure is hostile in here

@ zito

if you say to a certain 6'4" fag that I know "your pretty little head" in a line of srs questioning in a patronizing way I promise to go back to my hero-worship of you

u got it, your hero-worship is v important to me

Mollie, you really used THAT word? I know the Reck probably doesn't care, but seriously?

I love fags. it is only an insult if you have a problem with fags.

do you?

[notscience]

Mollie thoughts on my list on the last page and thoughts on wagoning scotmany?

[ChannelDelibird]

Nexus is town.

That's probably all I'm getting done tonight, but bank it.

[Spiffeh]

mollie you seemed to have dropped your SC slot suspicion ever since MattP subbed in. What are your updated thoughts on that slot?

[Starbuck]

Holy shit it sure is hostile in here

@ zito

if you say to a certain 6'4" fag that I know "your pretty little head" in a line of srs questioning in a patronizing way I promise to go back to my hero-worship of you

u got it, your hero-worship is v important to me

Mollie, you really used THAT word? I know the Reck probably doesn't care, but seriously?

I love fags. it is only an insult if you have a problem with fags.

do you?

Reck knows I love my gays. I'm bi, myself, and just walked with the Jacksonville Coalition for Equality in the Pride Parade two weeks ago, where I was miraculously reunited with one of my good friends, from when I was stationed here, who is now in MtF transition. I will be speaking at our upcoming City Council meetings when we fight, again, for an all-inclusive human rights ordinance. Additionally, I was a main proponent in organizing and executing the first EVER LGBT Pride Month celebration at NAS Jacksonville and in Navy Region Southeast this past June. So what does that tell you?

In any case, that word is inappropriate, no matter how much you say you don't mean it in an insulting way. It's especially inappropriate to be used in the midst of a game.

I'm on mobile, so I'll get to the walls later.

[curiouskarmadog]

Omg, so this game is blowing up.

Unvote

I have had no time to meta Notscience and I have to update from page 18, so I imagine other shit has happened. I only got about a half hour…so I don’t think I will get caught up tonight. But hopefully I can knock out a chunk. Quoting (things I think are important, or want to note) as I go. This will probably be a wall. will vote once caught up.

241, ckd.

Also, im self-professed focused on the social part of the game, I like to make friends. Which, you can ask marquis mollie or bins if its alignment indicative of me.

And Im not saying that youre scum for asking it, im saying the way you asked it sounds forced, which I've already been over.

Marquis, mollie, Bins, does notscience usually start providing so many leads day 1 without being asked?

notsci, explain WHAT exactly sounds forced? What is giving you that vibe in particular?

--
Looks like I started a meta discussion. Jesus, I love to meta though. Have caught scum with it. (but also misread shit as well, so shrug). My point is here in this game. Notsci is saying “X action looks forced”, but if you did meta me you would find that I have done X action numerous times as town. Now as someone posted already (saw in a skim EDIT Spiff) if I am aware of my meta, it doesn’t say much. But it does…it shows that action X is not actually forced, but game theory that I go by….

Man, Davsto, your ISO is weak as hell. There's no substance, at all.

True story.

Seriously, I've noted several times that I'm unable to read through the game right now. I will do in a couple of hours. You have my permission to pester me if I don't deliver, but please leave me alone right now.

then quit posting fluff in the game. (Starbuck said the same in 482)

He seemed to get overly aggressive and defensive for ....

boom, this is also something scum says a lot. do you really think scum are more defensive than town?

Why do you refuse to comment on the SC wagon then, cause if he was framing you, then both spiffeh and SC would have to be scum together. You can't really accuse spiffeh of trying to frame you, unless of course you know SC's alignment, but there is only one way for you to know that.

this is a good point.

For the record I still think the SC slot is probably the best lynch today. .

WHY?

In all honesty I am leaning towards flipping mollie to town and booting cdb.

fuck ya more friends...and wait...say what now? you are taking a side...

lets explore this. why boot CDB? In the mollie vs. CDB arguement, why boot CDB what has he said that makes you feel he is scum?

(EDIT: post 577…LOL, well you ALMOST fucking took a side)

Add Davsto to the vig pile. Someone, anyone, please. I'll give you a cookie. Or a handjob. I'll give a cookie a handjob. How's that for motivation.

Now I would agree with this, even the cookie handjob. Can we be twinsies again?

Davsto's catchup post is underwhelming. It doesn't look like he's really attempting to analyze anyone. After so much promises, he gives...that? It just looks like some quick stream of consciousness reactions without a lot of thought.

lead by example. or is being a hypocrite like a warm blanket? Who is scum? Why. (yeah yeah I got that your vote is on me, so put a case out there for me then)(EDIT post 607 votes with a case )(EDIT post 617, nope just votes, now I want that nexus vote reasoning)

Catboi
Spiffeh
Scotmany
Pirate mollie
Marquis
CDB

Are all obvtown

I'm doing some ISO'ing and then I'll engage more specifically

I give up, mollie you might be right about the new way things are done. but again, i have played in some "new" games and I have not seen this amount of smoke blowing before....at least I dont recall that I have. I mean, I don’t feel like I am a paranoid player, but there are like only 2 people in the game total that I feel good about.

Also I do not like Flameaxe, Aj, or Davsto following a general read of the game but I'll brb

there we go.

I am not responding to any1 else's posts if they contain the word "lying" or asking dumbshit that has already been answered and I am looking at you catboi.

why not just repost the answer. how will not answer help anything?

Like I actually despise "I'll do this later" posts because it lets scum skate by as townies focus on others and forget about the guy avoiding the thread.

I have done it, am I scum? I am probably going to do it a lot in the next 2 weeks, am I super scum?

Marquis I hope you plan on elaborating on your townread of me because the way you built up to it made it seem like you had something big in the works and now I am just disappointed.

there we go...lets push this line of questioning more!


END page 25…I am out of fucking time. Sorry for the wall, when replying feel free to just use the post number.

if I was voting at this point in the game, it would be back on Marq, who has successfully avoided answering my question to the point that they are now moot and who is just coasting under the radar now. Notsci is still a close 2nd in the scum rating..

[Aj The Epic]

Spoiler: UHHHHHH

But really, this isn't going to help us with anything other than cause passive-aggressive (or simply aggressive) posts permeate the thread for weeks to come. I'd prefer if you both just took a quick breath and remembered we're still just playing a forum game like a bunch of nerds with nothing better to do.

[catboi]

Maybe I'm a sucker, but mollie's emotional crap doesn't look fake to me and I think some people might be trying to wind her up in the hope she gets herself lynched.

lame's posting is vitriolic and silencing to other players by mocking content, most notably of Marquis when Marquis was providing a clearly protown drive that influenced the beginning of real gameplay (not that Marquis's push on SC was correct, but Marquis was a vocal protown player that was posting content).

He's been generally over-aggressive and demeaning to multiple players in the game including Starbucks, and PM, with minimal, but Flameaxe-directed provocation.

How is any of this supposed to relate to him being scum? It's more of a case of him being a jerk than anything, and his attitude makes it seem more likely that he's town, if anything. What part of being "over-aggressive and demeaning" equates to him being scum?

I think I have a decent idea of the game now, I've sorta slipped in. I'll try and be more town, but ya know.

VOTE: AJ I'm not liking him much.

Holy smokes this is bad.

I think davsto might have dropped a really really stupid towntell in another post, though. Not going to go into it right now.

reading now. up to p7 and angry at myself for removing my catboi vote


can genuinely see catboi+spiffeh scumteam and it's really worrying me.

Lmao

This is so silly I don't know that it would come from scum. He's reaching, and he's wrong, but does he reach that hard for a case as scum? Maybe not. Hate his reads list, though. Lean town on all his scum reads.

UNVOTE:

lead by example. or is being a hypocrite like a warm blanket? Who is scum? Why. (yeah yeah I got that your vote is on me, so put a case out there for me then)(EDIT post 607 votes with a case )(EDIT post 617, nope just votes, now I want that nexus vote reasoning)

Had explained earlier that I didn't like the way Nexus unvoted me, or his explanation. I didn't have a strong suspicion at the time so I just went to something I'd called out earlier. I'm trying to play a bit relaxed but I am giving my input where I feel like I can say something, where davsto had a whole lot of nothing.

I give up, mollie you might be right about the new way things are done. but again, i have played in some "new" games and I have not seen this amount of smoke blowing before....at least I dont recall that I have. I mean, I don’t feel like I am a paranoid player, but there are like only 2 people in the game total that I feel good about.

funny enough, I actually agreed with this (in reaction to MattP's list of townreads) - it's one thing when someone drops a townread in obvious reaction to something, but big underexplained lists with no context do nothing for me whatsoever because they're the easiest thing in the world to fake. Call some people town, people generally are going to agree, it looks like a contribution but didn't really take much. Context is king, without any there's nothing to like from a list.

VOTE: MattP

Underwhelmed by the replace in stuff, vote on flameaxe looks like it's for non-alignment-ish stuff and doesn't speak to a believable scumhunting process. Think flameaxe's rudeness comes across as a town sort of arrogance - a lot of it was unprovoked, he's not trying to appeal to people or anything.

[catboi]

On a reread of his ISO, I could be tempted to vote AJ. His tunnel on spiffeh doesn't really look believable, it looks a bit like scum taking a singular focus in the early game to avoid commenting on anyone else. Vote on Flameaxe was also not good.

[catboi]

Actually you know what?

VOTE: AJ

[pirate mollie]

Reck knows I love my gays. I'm bi, myself, and just walked with the Jacksonville Coalition for Equality in the Pride Parade two weeks ago, where I was miraculously reunited with one of my good friends, from when I was stationed here, who is now in MtF transition. I will be speaking at our upcoming City Council meetings when we fight, again, for an all-inclusive human rights ordinance. Additionally, I was a main proponent in organizing and executing the first EVER LGBT Pride Month celebration at NAS Jacksonville and in Navy Region Southeast this past June. So what does that tell you?

In any case, that word is inappropriate, no matter how much you say you don't mean it in an insulting way. It's especially inappropriate to be used in the midst of a game.

I'm on mobile, so I'll get to the walls later.

so you are okay with reck calling me a bitch in the midst of a game which last I checked I am not a female dog but it is not okay to call reck a fag which he actually is?

you...really don't want to get into a pissing match with me on lgbt activism. like no really, you DON"T.

[Starbuck]

Reck knows I love my gays. I'm bi, myself, and just walked with the Jacksonville Coalition for Equality in the Pride Parade two weeks ago, where I was miraculously reunited with one of my good friends, from when I was stationed here, who is now in MtF transition. I will be speaking at our upcoming City Council meetings when we fight, again, for an all-inclusive human rights ordinance. Additionally, I was a main proponent in organizing and executing the first EVER LGBT Pride Month celebration at NAS Jacksonville and in Navy Region Southeast this past June. So what does that tell you?

In any case, that word is inappropriate, no matter how much you say you don't mean it in an insulting way. It's especially inappropriate to be used in the midst of a game.

I'm on mobile, so I'll get to the walls later.

so you are okay with reck calling me a bitch in the midst of a game which last I checked I am not a female dog but it is not okay to call reck a fag which he actually is?

you...really don't want to get into a pissing match with me on lgbt activism. like no really, you DON"T.

You were trying to give the idea that I am homophobic to which I am not, and Reck can attest to that. I, also, gave you three recent reasons as to what I have done for the betterment of LGBT locally and on a regional scale. I could have went on, but I just covered like the last 4 months. I didn't say those things to brag and I'm glad you go out and fight as hard as I do. I don't understand why you would turn it into a way to one-up me when I go out and do what I can in my community, as I'm sure you do, too. That's not the point here.

I'm not mad at all, but I will not sit by and not stand up for myself or watch you make baseless personal attacks. I don't want to get into any match with you. I just want to play this game, enjoy playing, and not be verbally abused or watch others be verbally abused by you.

Do you have something stressful going on outside the game? Because it definitely feels like you do. Whatever it is, I hope it gets better for you, but do us all a favor and play the game WITHOUT this thunderstorm of emotion because, frankly, it's distracting and it's ruining enjoyability.

[catboi]

Can we not do this? Please? This dispute is only going to impact the game negatively.


Anyway, to expand a bit I feel like flameaxe looks like the type of player scum THINK they can push a lynch on, and I think AJ stepped right into that

[Starbuck]

Can we not do this? Please? This dispute is only going to impact the game negatively.

I absolutely agree.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie thoughts on my list on the last page and thoughts on wagoning scotmany?

if you are trying to bring me down to earth, I am sorry, I might miss the signals.

I am trying to wrap my head around that I received a gm warning in the most loving way possible cos I used the word "fag" but no1 seems to have a problem with me being called a bitch. I don't have a problem with reck calling me a bitch ftr, I am just wildly pissed off at the selectiveness of it all.

it makes me sad.

[notscience]

I'm here if you want to talk about things. Im trying to ignore everything going on and I agree it sucks but there's a reason I'm not thinking of anything a lot of the playerlist is saying and a reason I'm monopolizing who I am interacting with. I think the way the game has gone already (not talking about you) its looking like a scum win purely off the toxicity and Im trying my hardest not to add to it but trust me I did see it and it did piss me off. But I really don't want scum to win and I don't want people to get off thinking that being assholes is okay because when scum wins they're going to scapegoat the other people which is why I'm trying my hardest to ignore it and do my own thing and I need you to work with me because I'm having an insanely hard time keeping my reads unbiased.

[Starbuck]

Mollie's 830 and 831 are nothing but more negativity and it seems that responding to that is going to be a waste of my time, since she is dismissing everything that I say, and a waste everyone else's time to read it. So I'm going to abstain. I'm keeping my vote where it is as per my case on her, but other than that, until she can start acting like a civil human being, I will refrain from responding.

It really sucks because I do believe that not responding is not cool in a game where responding is needed to incur information, but the fact that she's raining nothing but verbal abuse all over me with no recourse is very saddening. I didn't realize this is considered okay now.

[notscience]

I know when I'm being ganged up on I totally behave rationally.

She's not verbally abusing you though, that's just false.