Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[RadiantCowbells]

Someone needs to actually attempt to build forbidden palace.

[Vecna]

Notice can you confirm you role. I have questions while you have time.

Parthenon, didn't try to build anything else.

I wanted Petra but mastina told me to take Parthenon instead.
N2 Protected Caesar (mastina prodded me towards this one)
N3 Protected Alisae (had obvious crumbs about being neighborizer and In Memory we brutalized scum with the use of neighbourhoods)
N4 Protected dave (outed parity cop, was between him or RC for wifom)

Ok thank you.

So talk to me about what is more likely here.....

Did scum kill Maxous because Ceasar is scum (so we'd find the obvious crumb that he protected ceasar)......

Or did scum kill Maxous to hide the fact he protected Ceasar, and that they tried to kill ceasar, and are they now trying to frame him by taking the forbidden palace?

[RadiantCowbells]

I think the latter but I also think someone with low prio needs to attempt to build Forbidden Palace. nancy if you don't want anything else that would be a huge help.

[MathBlade]

@nancy so Dave is logically Town? Along with Creature?

Nah if Nancy is town.....

Then people are majorly WRONG either about

Alisae + Notice town duo

OR

Davesaz (+ creature) town duo.

There is no other way.

And if you'd just let go of that silly scumread of mine, you'd see this.

There has to be an error somewhere math

THERE HAS TO BE AN ERROR SOMEWHERE IN YOUR ASSUMPTIONS

YOU NEED TO SEE IT.

My scumread of you is based on your play.

Those are all lock Town to me.

Me + Alisae+BaeReed+Dave+Creature = 5 lock Town

RC likely town makes 6.

Caesar is scum or someone got Forbidden Palace to stop him.

[Vecna]

i feel like its kind of an exaggeration to say that im coasting?
like
my early play sure, but i dont feel like that makes sense at this point?

i guess it makes sense in context of you having a lot of townreads, im just really confused why i dropped to your lowest read
when youre establishing now that you have stronger reads now?
zzzzz

Maybe an exaggeration. You aren't coasting at the moment, you seemed to be before. Like, I pulled that deathwagon off you and then it just felt like you kinda disappeared for most of the rest of the day.

I can sort of confirm this is site-wide and due to activity levels of Gorkington, not for strategic reasons. That is what I believe.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

I'm one of the nicest people on this site and he knows that so it is insulting to call me a dick when I am literally not trying to be. I am very capable of being one but this isn't it.

Dude you have multiple times made me feel like shit. Whether you mean to or not is irrelevant. I care less when someone is riffing on me but you're literally trying to say Ali couldn't be useful here and that's plain false. I'm not going to stand by why my friends are insulted.

I apologize.

It is on me. I like to think people know when I'm joking or when I'm serious. I like to think people know that I'm not speaking without any malice. I've been told I speak so robotically online and I've been trying to work on that.

I'm sorry that I made you feel insulted. I know that you can be a very nice person. I'm sensitive when it comes to my friends though, especially when I know they're already upset. And Ali is genuinely feeling shitty about how this game has been going and having a few off games doesn't mean that he's bad, and I don't want others feeding into that mentality on him.

[RadiantCowbells]

My issue at this point is that I'm running out of potential scum slots.

I honestly am starting to think it's not impossible that Peregrine is actually scum

[nancy]

I think the latter but I also think someone with low prio needs to attempt to build Forbidden Palace. nancy if you don't want anything else that would be a huge help.

You don't think scum got it? Like I've been assuming that they have it and that's why we have to be so careful about naming who is getting what and doubling up on build attempts.

[MathBlade]

My issue at this point is that I'm running out of potential scum slots.

I honestly am starting to think it's not impossible that Peregrine is actually scum

/me hugs you

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that 99% of the time yes scum have it but if Caesar is scum he _MIGHT_ have taken that gamble. I guess there's other things to build anyway though.

Idk I'm stuck I'm trying to figure out a scumteam that makes sense

[RadiantCowbells]

Peregrine is hard defending Nero atm by the way. I don't think it's implausible that scum saw how widely townread Drixx was for it and thought they could WIFOM hard enough to keep town alive?

It's been working at any rate given the lack of scum lynches

[MathBlade]

I think that 99% of the time yes scum have it but if Caesar is scum he _MIGHT_ have taken that gamble. I guess there's other things to build anyway though.

Idk I'm stuck I'm trying to figure out a scumteam that makes sense

Generally that happens with smaller scum pools.

The same thing happened in Undertale with ONE scum. In the entire 20+ game. There were a shit ton of mislynches and people got demoralized and tried for draws.

Mass claim in a potential MyLO/LyLO solves this problem.

Now I want to see Vecna's plan.

[Vecna]

Yes I know what it's like but you have done some scummy things. Those outweigh meta and as you said, meta is unreliable!

What have I done that's scummy? Actually, forget scummy, Town can be scummy just like they can be anti-town. What have I done that's scum indicative? There is no case on me except conf!bias. Meta is not reliable, but to ignore it entirely is foolish and not in the spirit of the quote in my sig.

Hmmmm, what if scum didnt pick up daychat, so they denied the wonder to you to gain the ability to talk during the day? Far-fetched, i know.....but its like the only plausible explenation.

Its either something like that, or youre just scum.

[MathBlade]

Maxous was forced to lie.

That is what caught him.

We know there is one killer.

I doubt Nahdia makes a game with one scum again as she was in Undertale but a smaller team is usually the answer to a lot of straight mislynches or too much gut not enough fact.

[nancy]

My issue at this point is that I'm running out of potential scum slots.

I honestly am starting to think it's not impossible that Peregrine is actually scum

Same.

[RadiantCowbells]

That does make sense ftr. Scum without daychat get daychat for several of their members and deny town a doc. If they'd already had a kill docced then it makes complete sense

[nancy]

Peregrine is hard defending Nero atm by the way. I don't think it's implausible that scum saw how widely townread Drixx was for it and thought they could WIFOM hard enough to keep town alive?

It's been working at any rate given the lack of scum lynches

Except that PV has basically been a non-presence in this game.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

PV has popped up at odd and arguably convenient times.

[MathBlade]

Then give me a chance please nancy and RC.

Let me run with it since I am pretty confident in some reads here.

I am obvTown here. Give me a chance.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah I know but maybe they just got lazy like they usually do or didn't know what to add or maybe it's just that until Nero got wagoned (ie today) he never really felt obligated to do much with the game?

[MathBlade]

That does make sense ftr. Scum without daychat get daychat for several of their members and deny town a doc. If they'd already had a kill docced then it makes complete sense

Nah scum would not voluntarily forgo it twice lol. No.

[Vecna]

Jae is trying to act like people don't request to not be read based on their main when they play on an alt.

Pine isn't playing on an alt though, it was originally intended as a hydra with a gimmick. Which means I am reading him based on his hydra head.

Besides which, I do read known alts based off their mains anyway. It's how I started trying to read Yuri once I realized who she was. I always have used the meta at my disposal and I always will, and if mastina has experience enough with a player to hint that she thinks they'd be a good doc protect when I'm in a role I'm ill-suited for then you can be damn well sure I'm going to take that helping hand, too.

You KNOW I use meta. Why are you pretending that you don't?

If you use meta, you should ask Mastina for some about me.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

And whatever he was pushing about me and Creature look too thought out.

[NoticeMeSenpai]

Notice can you confirm you role. I have questions while you have time.

Parthenon, didn't try to build anything else.

I wanted Petra but mastina told me to take Parthenon instead.
N2 Protected Caesar (mastina prodded me towards this one)
N3 Protected Alisae (had obvious crumbs about being neighborizer and In Memory we brutalized scum with the use of neighbourhoods)
N4 Protected dave (outed parity cop, was between him or RC for wifom)

Ok thank you.

So talk to me about what is more likely here.....

Did scum kill Maxous because Ceasar is scum (so we'd find the obvious crumb that he protected ceasar)......

Or did scum kill Maxous to hide the fact he protected Ceasar, and that they tried to kill ceasar, and are they now trying to frame him by taking the forbidden palace?

You tell me. You're the one trying to push a false dichotomy and seem hyperfocused on Caesar. Why? Why do you think the nightkill had anything to do with Caesar rather than just getting rid of the docs?

[RadiantCowbells]

I would always voluntarily forgo daychat if I were on the scum side because it prevents you from denying a power role to town.

I mean I love daychat don't get me wrong but I can see people seeing it as not useful then picking the neighbourize because they want to prevent town getting another doc