↑ Jase wrote:Ok I think it's best to put this fact on the table where everyone can see it.
I am a "miller".
Why didn't you claim your flavor with your role?
↑ Indecision wrote:You can't tell the difference between me and Equinox? You don't read the thread closely when you're scum.
Is not reading the thread closely while scum actually standard meta for Faraday? Were you serious when you called him scum?
↑ Jase wrote:Um, if you must know I'm Abraham Hollow Keeper of the etc.
Holy shit I don't know how I made such a grievous spelling error.
[shamelesswagonhop]
Vote: faraday
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Oh shit now Indecision is scum? Fuck fuck fuck gotta keep up.
Vote: Indecision
Why did you switch your vote so much? Are any of these votes serious?
↑ Jase wrote:Well I don't think I can pull the quote from my role Pm lest I incur the wrath of our dashing and physically attractive mod.
Why do you assume that you have to quote your role PM to provide flavor for your role?
↑ Faraday wrote:You mean the acutal manner he went about it? Poor, but largely irrelevant. If you mean his character then I think it fits. why'd you not ask him for flavour straight away?
p.s. you seem a little edgy. why?
Why didn't you ask for his flavor straight away?
↑ Hinduragi wrote:Don't like the "self-vote" thing mainly because I know I've used it before as scum and I think I've seen it from scum before.
Vote: Indecision
Haven't read the posts under that but pretty sure Faraday's town as fuck.
Why should it matter if you said it as scum before? I've said lots of things as scum but that doesn't mean that anybody who says it is scum.
↑ Indecision wrote:Faraday: Mainly because I was enjoying the page one banter too much. And my initial instinct on his claim was town, I guess, so it didn't bother me that much right off the bat that his claim was vague? I'll admit my pressuring of him was sort of a perfunctory "Well, someone's claimed miller and didn't provide flavour; might as well force him to clarify" shot in the dark.
Why was your initial instinct to think that he is town?
↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:EQUINOX:
If I'm scum, the mafia will not kill you night one. In return, if you're scum, you don't kill us right now. Deal?
What is the purpose of you proposing this deal? By “right now” do you mean specifically at that moment, any time in day 1 or in night 1? Also, Who is “us” referring to?
↑ Hinduragi wrote:I looked up posts of mine where I said might as well claim scum in the search and I was town in all of them. I'm not going to bother looking through every post of every game for one person to say it because I'm lazy and I've got a wiki for anyone who really wants to look it up. Anyways, I still think you guys are scum, and a lot of that is for going for Faraday instantly, calling it a joke, and then keeping your vote on him. Especially since I know you've both been in hydra's with him. The rest are nitpicky things kind of like the might as well claim scum thing coming out so early.
Faraday's town because of gut.
1.You said “I know I've used it before as scum”. You didn't bother to look up whether you actually did or not before your vote? So then why bother looking it up now? Why were you so sure that you have if you haven't?
2.You said that saying “you might as well claim scum” is often said by scum so they are scum was your main reason for voting them. So why are you still voting them? Why didn't you provide that reasoning in your original post with your vote?
3.How could you have a gut read on Faraday if you only read one post of his that says “Vote Indecision”?
Vote: Hinduragi
↑ 4nxi3ty wrote:initial reaction to the jase/faraday/indecision triangle is one scum, two towns.
Why didn't you claim this reasoning with your post? You can't just go around claiming reads without reasoning. Who out of those three do you think is the scum?
↑ 4nxi3ty wrote:There seems to be a lot of meta coming into play with that interaction, which imo wouldn't be necessary if all three were town. It is far more likely that there is only one scum and not two, given the nature of their arguments. No one has done anything overly scummy so there is still the possibility that they are town.
Why is the use of meta necessary in that situation?
↑ Indecision wrote:We're scum for... voting Faraday in RVS and getting a rise out of him. Well done, Hinduragi! You caught us on page one. Where did you ever learn to hunt scum like that? Seriously, while both of us have been in hydrae with him, they've been town hydrae, which is a far cry from actually playing scum with him and hasn't stopped either of us from getting burned by Faraday-scum.
Then why up to this post, where you still voting Faraday?
↑ Indecision wrote:> scum in {Faraday, Indecision, Jase}
> votes Klazam
> "but they could be town too"
Okay.
Unvote, Vote: 4nxi3ty
He didn't say that there had to be scum within those three, he just said that it was his initial reaction to believe that.
↑ DLG wrote:VOTE: 4nxi3ty
What Nachomamma 8 said.
The only thing that nachomamma8 said with his vote was him asking a question which Anxiety has already answered. Your reasoning for voting him didn't apply. So why did you vote him anyway? Did you even read Nachomamma8's and Anxiety's post?
FoS: DLG
↑ 4nxi3ty wrote:Like I said earlier, it was an initial reaction and i haven't taken the time to analyze it further.
Then you should have waited until you had the time to analyze it further before posting and if you didn't then, then you should now.
↑ Oversoul wrote:Jase's miller claim is ugly. Faraday.... eh. Never really played a game with Faraday except for a bastard and I completely misread him.
Fuck Hindu for RPG Mafia. Nachomamma is weird. Don't like the tone of his posts. I don't like the interaction between Indecision and Faraday, but letting it slide cause of RVS and they clearly have personal history.
Off topic, is Equinox a girl?
VOTE: Nachomma
Nachomamma8's tone of posts is enough for you to vote for him? What about his tone of posts do you not like?
↑ Timeater wrote:indecision+mina/faraday is a scum on scum interaction
What is your reasoning? Why did you not provide any reasoning especially after Anxiety was just criticized for not providing reasoning? Why didn't you vote? Why are you so sure that they are scum?
↑ Faraday wrote:there was no 'rvs' in this game. what don't you like? if you don't like it shouldn't you prod at it more?
So then you think that all the votes in the first two pages of the game were serious?
↑ Faraday wrote:wow i just read 4nxi3ty's posts and they're so fucking scummy.
STOP
HAMMAH
TIME
vote 4nxi3ty
The game started less than a day ago. Why are you so eager for a quicklynch?
↑ Timeater wrote:Why isnt it scum on scum
tell me bros
tell me why its a town interaction
No
1.Just because something isn't scum on scum doesn't mean it's town on town.
2.You shouldn't just assume that something is scum just because it isn't town. Using that logic, nearly everybody in this game would be scum.
3.There is such thing as a person/event being null or neutral.
4.You claimed that they are scum so it is your duty to explain why. It is not the rest of the towns duty to explain why they aren't.
FoS: Timeater
Why didn't you vote for indecision or Faraday who you previously called scum?
↑ Indecision wrote:(Equinox)
The banter helped Mina and I get a read of him.
What read is that?
↑ Hinduragi wrote: ↑ Timeater wrote:
↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:EQUINOX:
If I'm scum, the mafia will not kill you night one. In return, if you're scum, you don't kill us right now. Deal?
Us?
VOTE: Nachomma
Why the fuck are you going to bring this to predominant attention when it's very likely it could've come from town? Goddammit.
Clarification.
Also, why do you think it is likely that it came from town?
↑ Faraday wrote:he was never at l-1, you fucking clowns. way to be a useless sack timeater. why didn't you throw down a fake hammer to see how he reacted.
If somebody else puts him at L-1, would you still support his lynch?
↑ Timeater wrote:Dude, he isn't a mason. Nachoconfscum.
@faraday - I should have done that. I need to work on my telepath mb
How do you know if he is or isn't a mason?
↑ Faraday wrote: ↑ 4nxi3ty wrote:Faraday: Seems to be suspicious of Indecision and Oversoul yet joins the same wagon as them...? Also, "they're so fucking scummy" is a vague reason that doesn't hold yourself accountable for your vote.
don't be stupid. I don't actually even think you're scum
unvote, vote indecision
Did you think that he was scum when you voted for him? If not, why did you vote for him? Why did you say that you wanted sommebody to lynch him? What would you have done if scum took advantage of this situation (assuming that they're not already on his wagon) and hammered him with the defense that you supported it?
Why is indecision scum?
↑ Timeater wrote:How do scum kill multiple targets in one night? Thats not how the usual thought process works. I just dont see it as being a townslip.
How does a townie kill multiple scum in one night? That's not how the usual scum thought process works.
↑ Indecision wrote:(Equinox)
In post 47, Nachomamma8 wrote:In return, if you're scum, you don't kill us right now. Deal?
I'm a little confused, Timeater. Nachomamma8 was talking about a hypothetical situation where I was scum, so how would he be in the mindset to slip that he's in a scum team?
If he was conscious of him putting “us” in the hypothetical situation then he wouldn't have put it in there in the first place.
↑ Hinduragi wrote:
This is good. Right now, the ONLY thing you can possibly be thinking if you're town is "ok, let's vote Faraday because we're paranoid of him and see what we can get in case he's scum". Otherwise, you're scum who want to 1.) coast 2.) have an easy RVS vote 3.) vote Faraday/possibly help to get him lynched who is going to be a PILLAR of town if you're scum
How is that the only thing that they could have been thinking as town?
↑ Hinduragi wrote:The next part is a blind joking reason as to why your vote might be good...at all. I'll come back to it in these next few quotestripes.
It was the RVS. Whys should it matter if their vote is good or not? And your whole case assumes that his vote is serious which although I'm still confused on it, I don't think is true.
↑ Faraday wrote:Hindu is missing the 'piece de resistance', which makes all of that even worse. it's not his fault though. he doesn't know what it is, I do though. Equinox does too. Don't you Equinox?
What is the “piece de resistance”? Why do you mention this without explaining what it is?
↑ Timeater wrote:vote indecision
I'll go with it
Why is Indecision scummier than Nachomamma8? I thought that you thought that he scumslipped.
↑ Indecision wrote:2) When I ask people to vote me, I'm not joking around. It could potentially help me figure out if their suspicions of me are genuine or not and if they're willing to put themselves on the line and mislynch. For instance, this game: 4nxi3ty stated a couple of times that he thought 2 of {Faraday, Indecision, Jase} were scum. If he felt convinced by this -- and he sounded like he was -- he should have thought, "I have 67% chance of my vote landing on scum." Instead, he jumped onto Klazam. I wanted to see if I could bait him into voting and, if he did, how he decided to justify moving his vote. Timeater was in a similar boat when he first posted that he believed Faraday and I were scum together.
1.He said one scum in those three not two so it would be 33% not 67%.
2.Why are you changing what he said?
3.33% is nowhere near enough to convince at least me to vote somebody and leave the lynch completely up to chance.
↑ Indecision wrote:3) I can keep my vote on Faraday as long as I want. He knows he likes it! Okay, seriously, we're now talking about two different situations: There wasn't a large wagon on Faraday when we kept our vote there, but there was an 4nxi3ty wagon that was sitting at L-2. I read his post where he analyzed his wagon, decided it felt genuine, and didn't want my vote on an L-2 wagon while I waited for Mina to come online to help me deliberate on things in the thread.
You can keep your vote on him but you shouldn't. Voting someone and keeping your vote on them represents that you think they are scum whether you actually do or don't even if there isn't anybody else voting him. Also, that could be used as an excuse by mafia to keep their vote on somebody.
↑ Faraday wrote:it involves your vote and explanation for said vote, mostly. will tell you later, maybe.
There is no pro-town reason for why you should deny the information of why something indecision did is scummy to the town.
↑ Faraday wrote:Why are you asking me pointless questions? Why the fuck do you think I would want the hammer gambit and maybe gain a reaction from anxiety?
And no, I can't clarify. Literally incapable.
Nobody can read your mind. How am I or anybody else supposed to know what you meant to do in any situation if you do not explain it?
↑ Faraday wrote:well he was mostly just kind of there for me, so i figured if we could get a reaction it'd be useful.
So you just thought that you would vote him and put him at L-2 because you were able to? What exactly did you find useful from his reaction?
↑ Timeater wrote:I see you lurking Zang, you gonna post?
It's been less than a day since the game started and it takes a while to write posts as awesome as this.
Also, why should it matter? What else would I be doing but writing a post for this?
↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:Oversoul wrote:From personal experience, people who say "x scum, y town" are usually scum as it is a blatant display of insider knowledge.
Gimmie that "personal experience", please.
Anxiety wrote:With recent activity the possibility of two scum in the previously mentioned triangle is valid.
This is the problem I have with you. What recent activity? (Be more specific). Why two scum in the triangle and not SPECIFIC PEOPLE IN THE TRIANGLE? (Be more specific). Are you afraid to call people out as scum, so you just call groups of people out as scum?
Hinduragi wrote:Oh, yes, yes. Let's flame me because I think you're scum. Honestly? Can you fucking cut it back? REALLY? My FIRST VOTE of the damn game and you're going to break this shit out instead of asking me ANYTHING about why I think you're scum? Fuck ALL THAT and ESPECIALLY fuck this sham of a defense.
This was an overreaction.
Why didn't you explain the use of the word “us”? You've been asked several times.
↑ Jase wrote:DLG: The only difference in my play from normal should be the miller claim itself. If I look scummy it's either because I'm scum or because I'm playing poorly and not because I decided the miller claim gave me license to do whatever I want. If I play the same way I did in my last game, yes, I think there's a good chance that I would draw and investigation.
Why should claiming miller affect your play?