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I mean, maybe Hems list wasn't so bad after all. Like maybe it's a little weird to differentiate the strength of your town reads with "likely" and "probably" and not do that for scum reads. Using POE for all the scumreads also seems a bit odd to me but no one else said anything about it besides us.

In post 1316, GuiltyLion wrote:I also kinda liked how his vote evolved from Datisi->Ari->Datisi again, that sort of movement makes me feel like he's not trying to stick to an agenda so much as organically trying to find a vote he likes

do you like his reasons for switching the vote? do you think 571 actually makes any sense when looked at with the rest of his thoughts on me?

In post 394, Irrelephant11 wrote:

In post 389, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 377, Ausuka wrote:

In post 374, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 370, Ausuka wrote:Why do you ask? I think there's enough content here that you don't have to pick at vibe reads

Seemed like a read not based in reality.

What should I be picking at?

What does "a read not based in reality" actually mean

It means it seems like you made it up and now you are covering poo with ~vibes~

This feels like a wildly out-of-nowhere take?? Like even if you think Ausuka's wrong I'm not sure why it's so unbelievable that her wrong read would be based on vibes

In post 388, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 251, Datisi wrote:

In post 247, humaneatingmonkey wrote:dats, why didn't you withhold your ari read before she can explain what her baltar read was so you can read her better

well for one, she can still explain it. for two, i think scum-her is capable of faking that read. so i don't think it's too alignment-indicative either way.

Why bring it up if it's NAI?

wow can't believe Datisi is the planned D1 bus for once

In post 403, Irrelephant11 wrote:townier than rand:

vpb

In post 652, Irrelephant11 wrote:VOTE: VP Baltar
I love wagons

In post 1088, Irrelephant11 wrote:I was actually just on VPB and my townlean on VPB has mostly faded at this point. Could go either way. Datisi feels like a lightning rod choice bound to pull in a lot of attention, alternatively VPB might be an interesting wagon as someone sitting closer to most people's null piles. So uh yeah, could go either way lol

This back and forth progression on VPB feels more likely to be real and not a projected trajectory

@Datisi I mean kinda? Looks like he was asking if people shared his feelings about you being too nice, fire gave a dissenting opinion, and he reconsidered that what he was seeing was maybe not there. I think it's hasty perhaps, but I'm not intuitively understanding why scum is more likely to do that than town

In post 1311, fireisredsir wrote:

In post 1298, scamper wrote:i think his push on eiralox is icky, and thats true regardless of eiralox's alignment

i agree with your point that eiralox is likely to be one of the lim candidates here regardless of alignment. and i get that it's an easy push to make

but from what i read of their past games they seemed like someone who as town would actually have strong opinions if they got engaged in the game (i disagree with your assessment that they would always struggle here to enter the game) and so i wanted to see if i felt any of that town energy when i did try to engage them

and i think their response didn't have any of that. which upped the chance of them being scum for me. so i wanted to call for a wagon, not to see how they would respond to it bc they were going to sleep, but to see how the thread would respond

isn't doing that useful, and valuable, especially if they actually are scum, but even if they're town? see who white knights, see who jumps on a LHF push, etc? sitting on firebringer was getting us nowhere. imo it moved the game a bit forward when it was feeling stagnant

its true tho that something like your irrel case is, like, *better* bc it's more interesting, but i didn't have one of those, so shrug. speaking of tho, i will prob have some thoughts on that once i digest it more

i don't think i really understand the logic here? Like sure eiralox has strong stances when he's engaged, but he obviously isn't and hasn't really been present, and also the game has been pretty fast so far. I'm sure eiralox could be scum but i don't think it's any better than the firebringer wagon and the push here feels a little bit slimy

I will take a look to see what conclusions you came to about the thread when I'm done catching up

In post 1314, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 1313, scamper wrote:do u scumread me for reasons other than scumreading irrelephant?

I haven't had a chance to iso you to articulate it to myself, but I haven't felt interested in much you've posted this game, and I can usually find something. I do think you're pushback on the Eira wagon was good though, so maybe I just need to spend more time directly involved with you.

But yeah, you're kinda wallpaper to me at this point, and that's not great since you've been posting somewhat regularly for dozens of pages.

can you elaborate on why you think being "interesting" is alignment indicative

In post 1346, Datisi wrote:

In post 1224, fireisredsir wrote:i feel like i had an actually kinda good point on eiralox and got zero engagement on it

idk if that's meaningful or not

maybe it means nobody else thinks it was a good point. or maybe it means nobody is more aware than normal about pushes on eiralox bc nobody here is partnered with them. idk

also this GL vs VP thing is super uninteresting to me, maybe datisi is right

i only looked at it now. i like it. i'm a little wary of pushes like that bc it reminds me of mala in frienemies, were she had a vastly different reaction from game to game and ended up dying for it. but it is a good starting point, i think. i do wanna see what eira says when they're back.

also i am always right obviously

In post 1232, GuiltyLion wrote:nd his trajectory from joking that he should shitfight with Nero (1125) to then saying he's less likely to do that as town (1207). like the implication that he's being useful by avoiding "unhelpful" fights feels a bit LAMISTy to me, but I'm not fully decided. what do you think

ok i know i was half joking in my "hehe theatre" but bro idk if it's a joke anymore. ik this is not aimed at me, but this part feels like scum tmi-ing their buddy and seeing everything they do as scummy. because like, the first post was obviously a joke. like there is no discernible universe where "datisi, you and i should shitfight with nero" is anything other than a joke because obviously that would achieve nothing. so i don't see why his "trajectory" there matters. also i feel like i have seen baltar use "if i were scum i would xyz" stuff here and there as town, so this might be slightly meta coloured but it feels like such a weird thing to be nitpicking about.

ALSO this whole positioning about baltar feels like. "yes i am voting other people. baltar is scummy tho. like totally scunmmy. but im not. voting there. hehe. like i theoretically COULD but i am not but he's totally scummy heheheheheheheheh"

ugh my phone is being fucky and formatting is hard

dats why is GL s/s with vpb. i understand your reasoning on some level but assumed that was probably +town for GL because town can confbias really easy and unsure why you jump to the conclusion they're bussing really hard

In post 1354, Datisi wrote:aususka

(for legal reasons, this is a joke)

In post 1365, Nero Cain wrote:I don't think I was calling you scum just that you kinda disappeared.

I thought lurking = tactically not posting but maybe I'm wrong

In post 1380, Ausuka wrote:dats why is GL s/s with vpb. i understand your reasoning on some level but assumed that was probably +town for GL because town can confbias really easy and unsure why you jump to the conclusion they're bussing really hard

i partly explained it, but it's the idea that scum sees everything their buddy does as scummy, and him including the "here baltar is joking about shitfights" point kinda feels like that tmi. because adding that doesn't actually help his later "baltar is being lamist" point, and i feel like he should've like, known that.

*also obvious asterisk is that i'm not willing to push wither of them solely based on this and i'm aware my early partner reads are usually ass, so

what are your thoughts on irrel, ari?

he is a qt

Wagon noted. No content to add for probably 24 hours sorry. Feel free to keep voting me though I like when I know a wagon is on town, makes vca easier

In post 1344, Datisi wrote:i have conflicting thoughts on firebringer. my first thought is that saying "i'm not into this game yet!" is very easy to do as scum. my second thought is that it utterly fucking sucks when you're not into the game yet and people are shitting on you for not being into the game. so i guess the two cancel out. sad.

agree on the first point, i just kinda feel like if he were scum hed feel more obligated to fake something. but thats a light read. im not really concerned with him slipping away the way hes playing now, if he continues to do nothing hell just die eventually.

In post 1352, Datisi wrote:

In post 1293, scamper wrote:Datisi - null

i feel like you said earlier that you had a null on me until i did stuff? in the previous post, you mention how irrel doesn't comment on any of the "actual reads" i've given... do you have any opinion on them?

i want to say i think uve been fine, im just being a little cautious bc of that micro, sorry

i already said i liked the read on firebringer u had where it was like, interact, notice suspicious thing, vote, because the thing you pointed out made sense to me at the time too and it was adding to suspicion on a player i suspected for gut reasons. i like 1346 just because its a more elaborate theory than anything you put out last game. i would lean toward it probably not being true just because day 1 team theories rarely are unless scum are playing *really* badly, but having those thoughts is +town. i thought a lot of gls stuff to start the game was weird/awkward but im trying to be more patient w/ ppl who suspect me so i just let that stuff pass. i kind of felt like hes improved since then but thats a vague feel-based read. i still dont know what to make of vp baltar really. i wildly disagree with most of the reads hes put out but idk if he plays this confrontational as scum

uh if you have anything in specific u want me to talk about lmk

hmm

skimming again the iso

he just feels very smooth happy and fun vibey?

everything he writes is very cute and he feels incredibly comfortable in the moment.

In post 1382, Datisi wrote:

In post 1380, Ausuka wrote:dats why is GL s/s with vpb. i understand your reasoning on some level but assumed that was probably +town for GL because town can confbias really easy and unsure why you jump to the conclusion they're bussing really hard

i partly explained it, but it's the idea that scum sees everything their buddy does as scummy, and him including the "here baltar is joking about shitfights" point kinda feels like that tmi. because adding that doesn't actually help his later "baltar is being lamist" point, and i feel like he should've like, known that.

*also obvious asterisk is that i'm not willing to push wither of them solely based on this and i'm aware my early partner reads are usually ass, so

I mean I get this on some level but what I'm trying to say is like, why is your conclusion that they're scumbuddies rather than it being confbias

In post 1390, Aristeia wrote:skimming again the iso

he just feels very smooth happy and fun vibey?

everything he writes is very cute and he feels incredibly comfortable in the moment.

I mean I agree but is that scummy for him? I don't exactly have recent experience with Relly but from what I remember he feels somewhat like this as town?

In post 1390, Aristeia wrote:skimming again the iso

he just feels very smooth happy and fun vibey?

everything he writes is very cute and he feels incredibly comfortable in the moment.

why are you voting him then

In post 1390, Aristeia wrote:skimming again the iso

he just feels very smooth happy and fun vibey?

everything he writes is very cute and he feels incredibly comfortable in the moment.

why are you voting him then

In post 1394, Datisi wrote:why are you voting him then

I'm sheeping you silly

In post 1391, Ausuka wrote:I mean I get this on some level but what I'm trying to say is like, why is your conclusion that they're scumbuddies rather than it being confbias

because i have a lot of respect for gl's towngame

being good at town probably doesn't translate into "is immune to confbias", but /shrug

In post 1395, Aristeia wrote:

In post 1394, Datisi wrote:why are you voting him then

I'm sheeping you silly

Oh I just assumed that was like a meta scumread or something I am dum

In post 1396, Datisi wrote:

In post 1391, Ausuka wrote:I mean I get this on some level but what I'm trying to say is like, why is your conclusion that they're scumbuddies rather than it being confbias

because i have a lot of respect for gl's towngame

being good at town probably doesn't translate into "is immune to confbias", but /shrug

ok yeah you are right about this actually sorry

also i'd just started dragging avatars into my art program, and i am glad i didn't do that for dunn and eira yet because i would've been annoyed