The Fall of Gondolin Mafia: Game Over (The Tale of Gondolin)

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VOTE: CES

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You don't know anything about whether Jacob targetted ABR last Night then?

I'm not even sure it matters that much given Jacob just claimed to have targetted ActionDan N3 when he said just last page that his actions N2 and N3 had been the obvious one.

Vote: Jacob

Desperado is still a good bet for scum for dropping his Shadowehread so discretely and then never showing any interest in that angle (nor having anything except the most generic possible excuse to justify it).

scrap that CES is town
VOTE: Tierce
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I like desz

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wow these last few pages are really good
I'm waiting for Tierce as well, now.

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VOTE: sirdan
That is a product of poe.
Mostly townreads,peoplei want to keep alive, and well tierces poats yhis page are overwhelming for scum.

Ill admit i have yet to win as town against tierce, though. Dat gurl touches me deep.

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AD, what of this page's content made you decide to vote tierce, Scummyboy Scummer McScum?

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I should mention that it is CES who gets the enormous towncred for JS not PV.

mod does ces nees prod?

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2 days for a lynch. I need to reread from page 80. since we're even, if tierce is the leading lynch come deadline, I'm not hammering.

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hey hey! hey! hey hey! guys!

have you ever seen sirdanilot defend someone from a wagon?
see his ISO. I'm a goat if you can't find there at least 5 times of a 'that lynch is ok, but hey, THIS is better'. last one happened page 82. meanwhile, see his scumlist, containing

Esp
tierce
desp
CES
elscouta.

that's half the people alive. more, if you don't count him.

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in another note: I need to catch up from post 1977

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Lol majiffy definitely did not investigate sirdan and nor did nati. Why would anyone even think that.?

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Hey des, can you make a case on sirdan, and ill go hey guys look vote sirdan?

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Explain.

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well that's interesting, I thought I would be blocked tonight as well...maybe the scum JK was X-shot?

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well that's interesting, I thought I would be blocked tonight as well...maybe the scum JK was X-shot?

by the way: Look, I Evade giving my result on purpose (for the while) so don't ask me for it yet. it'll suffice to say that I targetted Tierce.

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I agree. and sirdan kill? that's super surprising. I'm starting to think reverse reverse psychology.

some tierce-CES scumteam or something.

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Sirdan had elscouta as town. Els was not a viable lynch AT ALL with him in the game. Elscouta is town.

Desp was one of els' scumreads. And I think it should be noted.

Scum had no reason to remove such a controversial player just like that; he was a very viable lynch through the whole game.

So i think des killed him for self preservation.

Des, gimme a scum game of yours

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to me:

Town are:

Elscouta
CES
PV

null are

tierce
spyrex

scum be in

Actiondan
desp

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This is good, and we should all do this.

TO me:

Town

me
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Probtown

ActionDan
Elscouta

Null

CES
SpryeX
Desp

Scum

Tierce

CES should be town because he is the one who actually got us the first scum lynch iirc, with majiffy's post about shadoweh.

Sirdan had elscouta as town. Els was not a viable lynch AT ALL with him in the game. Elscouta is town.

Desp was one of els' scumreads. And I think it should be noted.

Scum had no reason to remove such a controversial player just like that; he was a very viable lynch through the whole game.

So i think des killed him for self preservation.

Des, gimme a scum game of yours

Sirdan thought everyone was scum, remember?

My wiki is pretty up to date.

Then you wouldn't have a problem linking me to one/two? I really don't like wikis and stuff I don't get along with them. if I did I'd make one of my own..

And sirdan may have

called

everyone scum but in reality he only pushed you and esp. in retrospective it's easier to notice that.

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what do we think about a massclaim?

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VOTE: desp

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see 2122.
Spyrex actually

has

done very few this game, actually.

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VOTE: Actiondan

that's a good post actually. what are the odds.

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its also insane that he posts a VCA and does jack with it

Spyrex, what did you learn from the vca?

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AD, SPY AND TIERCE PROB CONTAINS AT LEAST 1 SCUM.

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I have to say that the kills look so dumb that im considerong a superpro scumteam. Tierce-ces scumteam, mark my words for endgame

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Really CES. Tell me. What scumteam eould want sirdanilot dead? What scumteam would shoot zMuffin like that? Its shooting all the viable mislynches. Why would they keep me alive and kill sirdan when they can switch? This has gotta be some reverse psychology pre-engineered. Ergo, scum are competent. Very much so.

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Elscouta alive syrprises me too.

Maybe they want me alive not because I'm wrong with my scumreads, but because I'm wrong with my townreads..

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You are being a fool. Mindgames will not make me change my mind. Ill reread some in this week, I shoild have the time to invest.

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Only one scum mastermind is needed for the scumteam to be fearful

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So are you suggesting that elscouta is scum?
What do you think of Tierce?

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PV, if Tierce is scum, do you have an idea for a partner?

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why AD?
I really dunno who I want to lynch right now; I'll revisit the game entirely tomorrow, I guess

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I think that by now *any* wagon would've formed if there was any good basis for a lynch against someone. this doesn't look like it, I'm thinking massclaim. no point in setup specs without claims.

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Spyrex, go.
popcorn and stuff

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I agree.

I think Tierce can claim befre desp if she wants, lol.

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Yeah we'll deal with that one later please.

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Rog, VT.

If someone must be lynched between Desp and ActionDan, i'd rather it be Desp, because #1740 still reads to me as a major townslip.
But PeregrineV "oh i didn't believe the Majiffy crumb but I didn't say anything while Shadoweh was lynched for it" is still the #1 scum act of the game.

I think this should leave AD out of the lynching pool

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How is AD trying to confirm jacob as town a townslip?

if he was scum, he would know that is confirming him as SCUM, not town.

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oh and I'm Hendor, Voyeur.

I expected to see someone jump out and try to do something but it failed. in fact, i *have* been jailkept again.

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How is AD trying to confirm jacob as town a townslip?

if he was scum, he would know that is confirming him as SCUM, not town.

So what? The intent behind the post was still to confirm Jacob as town, was it not?

No you don't get it.

as town, he would think that I can confirm JS as town, and say that.
as scum, he would KNOW that JS lied, therefore, he would KNOW that JS fakeclaimed, and he would KNOW that I am town, and therefore he would KNOW that I'm not lying, meaning that I KNOW that JS did NOT target him; therefore, posting that post was precisely confirming JSscum for shostown. so unless he thought a 1v1 between me and JS can result with my lynch, that would be a very stupid move to bring to light, since nobody thought about that at the time.

Therefore, this is incentive to think ActionDan is actually town.

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well that's interesting, I thought I would be blocked tonight as well...maybe the scum JK was X-shot?

by the way: Look, I Evade giving my result on purpose (for the while) so don't ask me for it yet. it'll suffice to say that I targetted Tierce.

bt the way, look at the capitals

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PV is town.

How can I incorrectly clear Jacob? I'm not following the line of thought.

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Crap. Ima read this goooood after work today.

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I have to say though i might vite PV

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hey guys, I'll be catching up in a few minutes, meanwhile - I need replacement in my game, Open 551 - Hard Boiled. anyone want in? it's only 5 pages long so far

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I agree with spy's thought. 5p scumteam in 18p game? That requires 5 scum lynches and at most 3 mislynches. Weak doc dies too. Copvig is against town in that he can make faulty tracks. Voyeur only helps knowing mafia roles.

I dun buy it.
I need to revise some more. Soon.

How long till deadline?
Can anyone compile claims list btw?

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I targetted ABR N2,
ActionDan N3.

I targetted ABR N2,
ActionDan N3.

Cool enough.

Vote: JacobSavage

shos, I need one piece of information: do you have confirmation that a Jailkeeper targeted ABR the last two Nights?

And that is the only bit of information I need, so please stop the whole "If I get close to lynch etc." song and dance. Just answer that and I am okay with you keeping the rest to yourself.

Yup
And only.
VOTE: jacob

You need to explain your actions. Specifically, why you targetted ActionDan, the omfgbadplayer. Why wpuld you rxpect him to die?

Tierce's two posts came 12 minutes after the other. PVs acts match his claim.

VOTE: tierce

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ThatsL-1, 24h left.

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I was showing that PVs acts fit his claim, and that tierces question is sorta fishing for my rope to know if he is screwed and should bus

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I think there's 4 scum either way.

5 scum in an 18p game is just too hard. usually scum comprises a tiny bit less than 25% of the game,5/18 is nearing 30, lylo to close, and add to that a weak doc and a vig - waaaaaaaaaay too swingy.

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No kill. Massclaim? I was not blocked tonight, no lies

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or an intended nokill, but that's really wierd because we were even, why make it odd..

anyway - there's no kill AND i wasn't blocked. it's like scum want us to think they missed.

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PoE points at Spy, Desp, and you.

But actually, if PV is an even night, then obviously no action taken, scum wanted to avoid being tracked.

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VOTE: Desperado

this is an L-2 vote.

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PV was not targetted tonight by nobody

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Eh sorry that waa l-1

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Eh sorry that waa l-1

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Nkbody targetted PV last night. Earlier nights i waa blocked. N1 tierce was targetted by noone, and n2 AbR was jailkept.


That crumb is interesting. To compare with PVs results, it really works that des/spy is sxum. Im gonna investigate further.

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did you just hammer and go 'but'?

N1 nobody targetted Tierce.
N2 ABR was only jailkept.
N3 ABR was only jailkept <<< this is what I forgot, AD is right. I wonder though if he is the JK so he knows that, or, if he is town that remembered correctly
N4 blocked
N5 blocked
N6 nobody targetted PV.

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Very enjoyable gameindeed! Reading scum qt

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You do and you played good! Wouldnt have lynched shadow otherwise

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lol guys don't be all rude and stuff.

game is over, be happy/sad etc

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Nati, this was not awfully hard to figure out imo, but you could definitely have crumbed it better >_>; majiffy's crumb was amazing, and considering the setup, he did perfectly. even without considering it - I think that a weak doc should treat himself as a cop and no less. the real question is whther to target lynchable townreads or scumreads..

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sirdan, despite town winning etc, I think that your play was really bad, you know. 'stupid enoug to lynch me', lol.

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I dunno, this game I witnessed real lack of cooperation and real reasoning, which in turn became reasons for my scumread; he was a viable lynch for long time, and his kill surprised evrryone...

Best Town Performance? Nah..

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Id say it can be pretty aeesome with a watcher. Consider watched watchibg a killed guy who has been shieldrendered. Then town will lynch one of the two scums, who will buss each other...which will lead to yhe othet getting lots of towncred...

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O right lol ignore me

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