Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[NorwegianboyEE]

No one is considering that literally everyone got nommed once, us 3 being the last one

So the nominations shouldn't really tell us anything? Is that what it means?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm townreading Suji from his tone.
Also i literally wrote this a long time before and it's basically the same stance i have today. Not sure why my stance on it is suddenly being questioned.

Suji has seemed like town to me for a while, but he hasn’t showed up in a long time now so i don’t know if my TR on him is all that relevant anymore.

I guess it's true he doesn't post that much, but like... I don't see anything that's all that scummy from him?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@RC
Weren't you super eager to talk to me while i was sleeping earlier?

Norway can you talk to me when you get back

[NorwegianboyEE]

i am pretty sure you called me town a bunch of time more recently

I've called you scum once too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@RC
Weren't you super eager to talk to me while i was sleeping earlier?

Norway can you talk to me when you get back

Yeah but I feel like complete shit since I woke up and have no real desire to read or engage people

Oh ok. That's just peachy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@RC
Weren't you super eager to talk to me while i was sleeping earlier?

Norway can you talk to me when you get back

Yeah but I feel like complete shit since I woke up and have no real desire to read or engage people

He said he was sick, do you even read anything

He told me he wanted to talk to me right after typing he was sick so i didn't think it mattered that much? But ok.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i am pretty sure you called me town a bunch of time more recently

I've called you scum once too.

lol yea, like d3 and your case was as bad as this one

Well even if you think it's bad, the only other choices i've got is DrCirno and Sujimichi. Both people i don't want to lynch. So unless you can prove any of those two are mafia, i'm going by PoE. And then it's going to be you either way.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Would a scumflip make you feel better?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like I don't know about y'all
But I'm just sitting here and be like "lynchGLlynchNEElynchGLlynchNEEGODWHYISTHEDAYNOTENDINGYETlynchGLlynchNEE"

No matter how you plan on going about tomorrow, you need to actually vote one of the nominees if you want the day to end.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norway who do you think Joey's partner is?

Let's see... After skimming Joey's ISO this is what i'm thinking.

RC: There was a period Joey claimed Awoo's slot was his "deepwolf" read, as well as claiming his play all game has been posturing. I'm not sure scum would say things like that to bus their partner.

GuiltyLion: He seems to be scumread by pretty much everyone including Joey. So if Joey flips scum i'm thinking he's town. If not, i'm going to have to reread this slot.

Sujimichi: Joey's ISO reveals a lot of defense against this guy. Since day 1 essentially. Also when i claimed i've always felt a townie vibe from Suji earlier, he and Joey both started claiming my TR didn't make sense or something. Idk, it was weird. In hindsight, this might be the most likely scum!Joey partner. Joey's also consistently claimed Suji's posts are genuine and not coming from group!scum, while at the same time criticizing me for my read because Suji's been "inactive recently". Kinda hypocritical in my opinion.

DrCirno: Joey put him as a "PoE" as Pisskop in post 1240. Seemed to be lightly scumreading the slot until DC replaces in. Doesn't seem as likely to be scum partner.

So if scum!Joey i'd wager that Suji would be his partner. Otherwise it might actually be RC, which doesn't seem as likely unless the arguing RC/Joey had today was scum theatre.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That would mean 2s1t though which seems way too risky.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm thinking 1s2t would be the most likely scum play here so that seems like a unlikely play. That means it might be GL or you RC if Joey is scum here.
Do you think GL is likely?

[NorwegianboyEE]

RC, if you've got any opinions on this i'd like to hear.
But i'm going to sleep now so i'll be replying later unless i check the thread on my phone.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Then we’d see a push for us to lynch DrCirno no?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Exciting game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Then there is the tinfoil hat theory that all three scum were in the first nomination phase.

Is that the position you're gunning for in LYLO after you and Joey vote DrCirno?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm a bit suspicious of the dichotomy being presented right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

RC, if you’re feeling better. How about voting Joey with me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

3) Norway, what exactly is it that is convincing you that Joey_ is scum here because I don't entirely understand where the reasoning comes from your point of view?

From my point of view?
In day 2 Joey constantly played the "Titus is just town playing bad" angle while voting me. Lightly scum-reading Titus the whole time but "preferring" me or GL. Posts like 792 where he says things like this:

nEE is playing very sneakily

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah like wtf is that reaction. As far as i know you didn't even signal any intent RC?

[NorwegianboyEE]

People are self-destructing so much in this game. Chill out guys, it's just a game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not sure if that reaction really is genuine though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In the very first page of the game both Titus and DongEmpire who is now Suji votes Joey. Suji also states:

You rolled scum, its nothing personal.

This seems like a classic s/s interaction imo.
If Joey is scum then i'm pretty sure Joey/Suji might be a viable solve. The only thing that heavily goes against this is that they'd both be nominating themselves today, which seems counter-intuitive.

[NorwegianboyEE]

that one minor detail

What?

[NorwegianboyEE]

It doesn't seem as likely from the ISO hunt i did earlier. If you think that's more likely then by all means tell me why you think so.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@nEE why would it be counter intuitive to have 2 nominated scum today?

Because there's a much bigger chance scum get's lynched obviously. Assuming the theoretical 2s nominees can't turn it onto the nominated townie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The last votecount has accurate votes the post numbers arent accurate

It's not accurate because Joey self-voted ya big goofball.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@DrCirno
But who do you think would have the biggest chance of flipping scum on the current nomination list? Even if you think it's all town there's gotta be one you slightly lean scum more than the rest?

[NorwegianboyEE]

So... Who do you prefer to die out of your locktowns? One's gotta go and you know that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So who do you think would be the most viable scum team outside of the pool then?
You just seem so apathetic at this point. And i don't understand why you wouldn't think there might at least be 1 scum inside of the pool. If there's 2 outside like for example RC/GL then isn't that super obvious. It doesn't seem like the sort of play scum should be playing here. If it's truly 3 town in the pool then scum basically guaranteed a 66% chance they'll lose in LYLO if town lynches one of the 3 outside of the nomination.

Pedit: Ok i guess that's a good reasoning.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So we should just all not vote then according to you? Let the RNG decide? lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you know you're town then i don't see why you wouldn't vote someone that's not you, because then at least you'll have a chance from your own POV that you might hit scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, stay alive if you want to push your scumread then. I've noticed a clear pattern that most people don't care too much about dead people's reads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now 90% of the time GL is gonna come around and say "but why wouldn't I vote you as scum if it will make me look bad"
Well that is called "I knew what you think all along and wouldn't act upon it" bullshit so it is safe to say that if he says something like that it can be ignored.

Who do you think would be the teammate to scum!GL?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like what's the point of asking for my reads over and over again when it never changed ever since the start of D6, I was very clear about my reads, and showed nothing indicating that my read would change?

Well i'm trying to find out what exactly the motivation behind your reads is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Boop.

Hi locktown.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Read the discussion me and Cirno had for context.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because i have a weird sense of humor, don't mind me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like i’ve been losing my mind a bit through these latest convos. Like WHY is the "i don’t give a fuck, lynch me lol" behaviour seen as a town tell? Menalque pulled it as town sure, but what’s stopping scum players from doing the same thing as a "scum see, scum do" strat and then asking their teammate to TR them for it and then they push someone else?

[NorwegianboyEE]

RC has moved to the backstage and is just trolling.
Joey self-votes.
GL is powerlurking
Suji i don’t even know wtf he’s doing.
DC isn’t voting.

I don’t know how y’all are capable of TR anyone tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

the vote isn't subject to change.

Alright.
I just want to get this day over with.
VOTE: DrCirno

[NorwegianboyEE]

What does that even mean?

[NorwegianboyEE]

why would you want to flip cirno, when you think i am mafia and you said earlier that you didn't believe there was 2 scum in the pool? This doesnt make a iota of sens

Because i couldn't convince RC to vote you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm following GIF's directive to lynch GL.

I've been all over the place on whether GL is town or scum, I think this is his best scum game historically if he's scum but then again it seems like everyone is having their best historical scum games in games with me.

Are you saying that because GL usually has a bad scumgame? Like what’s his scum!meta?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh this time I wasn't doing it for suicide btw. I just wanted to throw a curveball at this stale gamestate.

The stale gamestate was because you weren’t even interested in talking about the possibility of whether Joey or Suji might be scum. And why would either theoretical scum!Joey or scum!Suji argue about that. This narrative you’ve been pushing wouldn’t require any further persuasive measures by either of them. If you’re not scum then i’m kinda curious about the effectiveness of your towngame in this day.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At least my hammer spurred some discussion.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Day 2 nomination:

Titus, Guiltylion,

NorwegianboyEE

Day 4 nomination:
Radiantcowbells,

Menalque, TrueSoulEnergy

Day 6 nomination:
Sujimichi,

Drcirno,

Joey_

Day 8 nomination:

NorwegianboyEE,

Radiantcowbells, Joey_

Titus/GL's interaction on day 2 was SvS. This explains Titus's attempt to steer the vote onto Correspondence on that day.
Looking at the nomination today i think the most likely scenario is that Joey is scum and he's going to be pushing for mislynching me today, then when i'm revealed to be town he will be pushing for us to lynch Suji tommorow because he is "outside of the nomination." I have my doubts that Suji really is scum because my theory about a Joey/Suji team doesn't really hold water as i suspected earlier. This leaves Joey as the prime contender for today. I'm certain that RC is town due to the fact that he has been nominated twice now and i think the mafia tried to frame both of us by putting him and me outside of the nomination with GL yesterday.
I would also like to add that GL's self-hammer yesterday seemed fabricated and/or planned somehow. I don't think scum would give up so easily unless he knew his partner would be in a better position from it. That is why i strongly suspect Joey is a deep-wolf.

So my conclusion.

RC is the towniest of town.
Suji is most likely town.
Joey is the last scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Joey_

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well i wrote a bit on a document yeah, because the earlier day hilariously ended before i had time to even write anything. Then i updated what i wanted to say with the information gained from todays nomination.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll go ahead and vote if there are no other reservations.

End the game. I'm getting tired of it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: joey

gg

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Joey is scum then yes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At your service.

[NorwegianboyEE]

inb4 townflip

Shh don't jinx it.
I want this game to be over today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm pretty damn sure this is correct, but don't make any hasty decisions if it isn't. I spent so much time on this game, i don't want town to lose to something stupid.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you bringing that up if you think Joey is mafia?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@nEE lynching RC is your only option to survive this, if RC is town he will never not vote you

[NorwegianboyEE]

Suji what's your next step once Joey flips town? I have a feeling that if he really was scum he would have admitted it already. So looks like the game isn't over boys.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Big dumb

[NorwegianboyEE]

God if RC turned out to be scum the whole time...

[NorwegianboyEE]

RC i think you're actually scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So what's the plan for the next day then RC?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lynching me loses the game for town, and if Suji is town that leaves only you.
You were ok with lynching Joey today because you think you'd have a bigger chance of winning LYLO without both him and Suji hanging around?

I TR you because it seemed way too obvious for you to be mafia. You exhumed confidence, but i'm thinking you've been using that as a way to powerlynch everyone.
It has to be you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Honestly when looking at all of the townies you've mislynched it would be dishonest to not vote you here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would i scumread Suji when you're literally the only possibility left?
Joey himself said it, don't vote Suji. That leaves you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So i can already tell what tomorrow is going to be like.
You'll speedvote me and then do whatever you can to throw enough garbage at my way to make Suji vote me. Then bring it home for scum. Is that it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That vote on GL really pings me badly right now. It didn't seem natural.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why wait.
I can't wait to see your case.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That vote on GL really pings me badly right now. It didn't seem natural.

like what does this even mean? what is this trying to express? what's so unnatural about it

The fact that GL self-voted really bothers me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't see a world where I don't vote Norwegianboy tomorrow, it's just that I am really bad at making tough decisions and stress over it a lot. If you want to provide a case, you can, but I don't think it's necessary.

Why in the actual hell would you vote me over RC?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I scumread the heck out of you when you were pushing Menalque remember? It's not exactly a turnaround as much as a regaining of my suspicions on you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't see a world where I don't vote Norwegianboy tomorrow, it's just that I am really bad at making tough decisions and stress over it a lot. If you want to provide a case, you can, but I don't think it's necessary.

Why in the actual hell would you vote me over RC?

I've already laid out my reasons why. You should probably work on building a coherent case on why Awoo/RC is scum and you are town.

Suji if you really need a town + scumcase then this is all i can bother to muster right now.
He lynched obvtown Menalque.
I got put in as the filler slot to the freaking scum theatre on D2.
He's been aggressively playing against the town's wincon for a long time, getting TR from me because i didn't think scum would be capable of intentionally getting away with playing so anti-town.
His predecessor Awoo flip-flopped on me and Titus on D2.
I've been kept alive as the less dangerous LYLO mislynch for after Joey.
GL self-voted on D7 and i think it's because he wanted RC to look better from it.

I can't be bothered to make a huge fuss about this if you still insist on lynching me honestly. I'm not willing to sit here and fight for a game that's been going on for way too long. If scum wins then that's just how it goes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

1) Why can't this be because he doesn't want you to have to force some sort of natural transition around your read on GL
2) Why can't this apply to Suji as well who was also voting him there?

1) Because the day started and ended at around 3 to 5 at nighttime so i wasn't even awake for it before it had already ended.
2: Because i think Suji has a higher town equity than you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

2: Because i think Suji has a higher town equity than you.

But you didn't before we lynched Joey, and we all lynched Joey so what changed?

Because RC is going full scum mode right now and i don't think it would be you based on your attitude.
Anyway it's like 00.20 at night and i need to go to sleep so if you don't let RC convince you to quickhammer we can discuss this more tommorow.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Suji
Oh, forgot to mention. I'm assuming the next day will start while i'm sleeping again. So there's actually a very good check on whether you are scum tommorow. When RC places his vote on me, you not immediately quick hammering means you are town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That’s just RC’s profile it seems.
RC’s tactic used against Menalque in a nutshell, picking apart every ounce of the opponent’s post to talk about things that don’t really matter much, but is presented as a ubiqutous scumtell. He literally had thousands of tells on why Menalque was scum, but he wasn’t. I mean this isn’t exactly a humble man we’re talking about here, this is the kind of dude that openly brags about his reads being awesome, yet he apparently keeps mislynching. Good going boyo.
I’m really not a fan of his tactics.
Just look at the comparison.
Quotes like "makes me want to vomit in his scum face" and now on me: "Norwegian is a meme", "NB is cute" etc. Classic belittling strategy. It’s excellent at convincing others, it really is. So i have quite a bit of respect for the effectiveness of the game he is pulling here, i just don’t like it personally.

Anyway, ask me any questions and i will clarify them.

I mean i could go about what RC likes doing and spend the next 12 hours picking apart and explaining why every single sentence in his next 300 posts are scummy but i simply don’t have time for that shit. I just want to make this end this in a town victory so we can all go home for lunch.

/Rant over

[NorwegianboyEE]

I really only have 2 choices here. Either it's you or it's RC. RC seems hell of a lot more likely with his intention to vote me today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You don’t want to vote because you want Suji to vote first. That much is obvious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Which question? Why i scumread RC? Haven’t i gone over that already.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Okay, you don't appreciate his tactics, he has an inflated opinion of his ability, and he was wrong. How does that make him mafia?

The question is, is he really "wrong" or is he intentionally steering the game down the cliff because he's mafia.

From your point of view, why does RC seeming to vote you mean he is scum, and not that he is town who is reading you incorrectly?

If RC isn't scum, then you're scum. But i see no world where you're associated with Titus/GL. So i don't see why you'd want me to second guess myself here. And even so, i don't think RC would vote you over me as a scum player, which can be clearly seen from how RC's been playing this day so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But i see no world where you're associated with Titus/GL.

Why not?

It's hard to tie you to any of them. You're not a likely group!scum. And if you are then holy shit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What about when I steered Suji off of you and onto GL and prevented scum from winning the game outright if you're town?

GL was getting voted anyway. Everyone was scumreading him. You had to let him go.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Then vote already.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[NorwegianboyEE]

See. I knew you'd do it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You don't seriously believe Suji is scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe if you repeat that it's bullshit enough times it will become true.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But sure let's have a 2-way.
VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it's quite obvious that if i really was scum here i would be convincing RC to switch over to Suji instead because RC would be much easier to manipulate. But i want to actually get rid of the scum today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's nothing personal bruh, it's just that you're mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't really blame you for Menalque either tbh, you were just playing to achieve your wincon and took it a little bit too far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you're gonna talk about that day then GL self-voting kinda defeats any towncred you might get from it because it seemed very rigged.

[NorwegianboyEE]

2 scum in D2
scum self-voting.

Who's to say it wasn't just another funny gambit y'all cooked up?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it's quite obvious that if i really was scum here i would be convincing RC to switch over to Suji instead because RC would be much easier to manipulate. But i want to actually get rid of the scum today.

You think that RC would be easier to manipulate than me after his posting in this game? I don’t think you really believe that.

Dude it's obviously better to have him on your side than going against him. You know that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum!RC is like impossible to lynch here and it pisses me off.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Think very carefully about this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright, i admit defeat.
gg

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I knew there were little chance to win this LYLO but hell i had to try.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Good job both of you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought i was going to die when i nommed myself with RC and Joey but somehow i made it this far, so just that was quite surprising to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Never playing nomination mafia ever again lol. This was exhausting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was also paranoid about you for no real reason.

That doubt was exactly what i was going for.
Too bad it wasn't enough to flip the scale.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wonder if trying to make RC lynch Suji would have worked better.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That was actually my initial plan. But i thought RC was set on lynching me so i turned on him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I actually have a bit of a story with getting TR as scum and SR as town so i usually perform better as scum overall. But this game was really hard.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Joey fucked me by making me question my initial strategy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nah.
But i do think you were a bit harsh on Menalque. I still just kinda let it happen anyway and actually hoped my "townread" on Mena would make you think we were mafia buddies so you’d mislynch him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The cool thing about being scum is that you don’t really feel insulted if people scumread you because they are right.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who is GIF’s?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can really see how Chennis’s moderation gradually goes downhill and get’s lazier and lazier in this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t care about redactions even if i say something embarassing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m guessing the dead PT is Mutant screaming about how i’m obviously mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sorry Menalque... I kinda tried to encourage him to go off on you.
I hope you’ll forgive me since i was scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t recommend the 3 scum nomination strategy btw. It was a miracle that i even made it to the 3p LYLO. I think 2S1T might be better if you’re pulling a gambit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It was funny tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just wish it was pulled off a bit better. The scum theatre wasn’t convincing enough with an AFK slot and Titus not bussing enough.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah wow. The argument from D5 just got revived.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hi norwegian do you have any objections to release

No

[NorwegianboyEE]

You'll see a lot of desperation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Omg stop the bully

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you did pretty well for what is probably one of your first scum games in the site Norwe.

This game was rough on scum to be fair.

Spoiler:

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can share the spot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was just trying to make laughs. You don’t have to stop. I actually agree with your analyzis. I pointed out in the scum PT how these townblocks were a pain in the ass because once just 2 townies locktown each other it’s a fucking nightmare to survive as scum and direct the lynches.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If RC didn’t show up i don’t think we would even make it to LYLO.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He created chaos and i abused the hell out of it to destroy the Joey/Mena townblock.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just the fact that i somehow stayed alive over them was kinda amazing tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

One interesting thing though is that i hosted this exact setup on another site, and it ended on a scum victory.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Many of the players there aren’t as seasoned as the people on this playelist though. There were a couple newbies: but here’s the link if anyone wants to see:
https://forums.everybodyedits.com/viewt ... p?id=46471

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sure thing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Chennis can you open the mafia PT? I mean i'm not that bothered since i already know what's in there, but it kinda annoys me when i'm town and excited to read the mafia PT and the mod just never opens it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll send a pm to Chennisden. Hopefully that wakes the ol' bugger up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh yeah, i forgot to flex to Mutant that i lynched him with a "scummy hammer" and lived to see LYLO.
:dab: