Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[Sherlock and Watson]

Titus that hat looks really nice on you btw
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[Sherlock and Watson]

The stuff before he drifted into pick spec looked ok tbh

The pick stuff was bad but I'm not sure it was scummy bad

Then again boon by now knows I expect him to flip his read three times on me in any given conversation so maybe he's playing into that

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[Sherlock and Watson]

ali it's hard to say if you're reacting appropriately when we don't know the dad's insult. Need more info tbh

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[Sherlock and Watson]

You suspect subterfuge in the masonry?! Egads!

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Hectic would you betray me????

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[Sherlock and Watson]

this is a crumb which no one will see until i point it out later
i am a mason with Sherlock but not Watson

This is town af

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[Sherlock and Watson]

we're in the moment though
imagine catching up to this

@Titus: WHY ARE YOU STILL TALKING ABOUT MASONS????????

Titus stop.

over reaction
she was explaining how drafting works without listing any names
please enter the FoS (Field of Suspects)

Spoiler: enjoy

What up

town

Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.

pretty town

Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.

We have 3+ ascetics. So, at least skim.

Claim whether you're ascetic as well please.

I am not ascetic

kinda town

Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.

We have 3+ ascetics. So, at least skim.

Claim whether you're ascetic as well please.

K so going back to this, I trust Pine's claim which, if true, likely means one of the other two ascetic claims is scum.

town

It would not surprise me at all if at least one of the people shitposting with Ali is scum. It's making the game a chore to read but I guess I shouldn't be surprised either.

PEDIT: Is that a serious question TSE?

extremely town

It would not surprise me at all if at least one of the people shitposting with Ali is scum. It's making the game a chore to read but I guess I shouldn't be surprised either.

PEDIT: Is that a serious question TSE?

I tend to not read long walls of posts.

Ok but it's been a pretty big talking point in this game so far so I don't know how that's relevant?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ascetic

very town

@TSE: I don't understand your vote on FL.

He spun a wheel... apparently

town

So you don’t know my role? Actually?

Unless you're a mason, no.

Oh fuck, my role fits me so well.

Oh shit I didn't know there was a jester in this game?

town

Could be literally being coached through every post. Which tbh I would believe Ali would set up. So you know what.

Vote: TSE

Are you saying that TSE is being coached? Because his posting says otherwise

kinda town

Alright lock the thread
no more scumhunting

You can't tell me what to do. I'll scumhunt as much as I please.

scum
thought he didn't want to encourage Ali shitposting

Could be literally being coached through every post. Which tbh I would believe Ali would set up. So you know what.

Vote: TSE

Are you saying that TSE is being coached? Because his posting says otherwise

You saying that you really believe that Ali wouldn't pick a shitposter then coach a shitposter on how to most effectively shitpost?

Because I 100% believe Ali is capable of that.

I don't think TSE needs coaching on how to shitpost but fair point

townish

Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.

We have 3+ ascetics. So, at least skim.

Claim whether you're ascetic as well please.

K so going back to this, I trust Pine's claim which, if true, likely means one of the other two ascetic claims is scum.

Uh, he's not claiming ascetic though, and this is worded like you believe he is claiming ascetic - he's claiming ascetic enabler. If you're not paying close attention to his claim, how can you say you believe it?

I know what he claimed. My wording was off, as it usually is, but basically my thought was that if he's a town ascetic enabler, then one of Amrun/RR (the ascetic claims) is likely scum.

I should probably put my vote somewhere huh

VOTE: RR

scum
bad vote

Can someone Tl;dr the game for me.

Amrun and RR both claimed ascetic, Pine claimed ascetic enabler, and bunch of people are shitposting.

That's about it

town

I would like more votes on Sherlock and Watson

Idk how many there are currently but I still want more

Sure, I don't like their lack of content and mason fishing.

VOTE: Sherlock and Watson

Where were they mason fishing? I skimmed a lot and probably missed some posts.

Most people haven't had a lot of useful content to be fair.

towny

AF's argument has poor reasoning.

Most of my arguments do to be fair

The reason I think this is because ascetic is a helpful utility for scum and Pine also implied that he's some kind of PR in addition to being an ascetic enabler. I'm just setup speccing here, but that would give scum an interesting dilemma to deal with if that ever comes out and one of them was ascetic.

Scum could withhold their ascetic claim, but then they're likely to get caught in the lie whereas claiming it right away might give them townpoints.

towning

Is there a list of who has claimed ascetic/not ascetic yet? If not I'll compile one in a bit

townary

VOTE: aaronfrost

Using mech reasons to vote this early is kinda dodgy

I don't have solid enough reads to vote based off of non-mechanical reasons. I don't trust my D1 reads anyways.

AI in towniness

Ah yes, D1 set up spec off of nothing
loving it!

I wouldn't call it nothing considering there's been lots of discussion around the ascetic claims. But you're scum so of course you have to discredit my arguments

scum

Pine - Ascetic Enabler
Amrun - Ascetic
RR - Ascetic
Chemist - not ascetic
oka - not ascetic
bitmap - not ascetic
ank - not ascetic
hectic motherfucking hectic - not ascetic
spiff - not ascetic
espeonage - not ascetic
sherlock - not ascetic
maki - not ascetic
AF - not ascetic
FA - has not claimed
gobbles - has not claimed
Fl - has not claimed
TSE - has not claimed

If I missed any or got anything wrong let me know and I'll fix it

town AFF

Also looks pretty town

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[Sherlock and Watson]

This game is so refreshingly pleasant and non-toxic <3 u all

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[Sherlock and Watson]

"feeling obvtown" is very different from "obvtown" and actually it makes a lot of sense to ask a question to solidify the "obvtown" feeling

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[Sherlock and Watson]

The Spiffeh questions are to double-check that there's no actually good arguments against my inclusion in his PoF

His process looks really townie and intuitive to me, sorry Ank but I think you're barking up the wrong tree personally

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I think amrun is pretty caught up with her childcare issues, that being said we do need more content from her before the end of the day for her to be readable. she's fine in the poe but I'm not betting on her flipping red

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[Sherlock and Watson]

ngl krazy, I think your reads are below average

u wanna fite me?

:3

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Like if hectic is scum I do need to know it but I am not seeing it from the issues you pointed to right now, I see a lot of town thought process there, or at the very least a compelling emulation of town thought processes

the aaron towncase was a meme but it also felt really good to me because I felt like we were seeing a lot of the same things in aaron. I think it would be surprising for scum to be mind-melding with me about the same posts in at the same time for a lot of the same reasons

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[Sherlock and Watson]

"Shitposting is scummy"

This is the argument you're spiritually sheeping, Amrun?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

No, I don’t care about the shitposting. I don’t like how they claimed commuter in response to the ascetic claims, then upped it to ascetic after Pine’s claims.

sig material for post-game

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[Sherlock and Watson]

You doing isos Amrun?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Spoiler:

Liking Ank’s reads list on page 37.

the fundamental thing is that my stated reads list was literally RNGed.

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[Sherlock and Watson]

who will win
Ank's RNG list
THE WHEEL

or any individual town player

Call Psyche and get the maths going!

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Now I want to join in

Spoiler: IS RNG LIST BETTER THAN ACTUAL LIST?

Flavor Leaf
Reasonably Rational (hydra of Cerberus v666 and Drixx)
OkaPoka
Espeonage
Hectic
gobbledygook
Maki and Kaito (hydra of Maki Harukawa & Kaito Momota)
Ankamius
Frozen Angel
Spiffeh
Amrun
TrueSoulEnergy
Bitmap
AaronFrost
Pine
Chemist1422

THE WHEEL COMPELS ME

VOTE: Chemist

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[Sherlock and Watson]

No one expects the Chemist-Pine-Aaron-Bitmap scumteam! No one except THE WHEEL!

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I like Watson better.

u wanna fite?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Bitmap if so why did you ask if anyone feels the same when that's almost verbatim what I said

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Cerb do you imagine fingers snapping like you're at a slam poetry recital every time you make a post

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I'm not ascetic either

[Sherlock and Watson]

Tbf if boon claimed ascetic I would immediately lynch him so we should probably operate under the assumption he did not and would not claim ascetic at this point even if he was

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.

We have 3+ ascetics. So, at least skim.

Claim whether you're ascetic as well please.

K so going back to this, I trust Pine's claim which, if true, likely means one of the other two ascetic claims is scum.

What’s Ascetic?

This is probably a 'not ascetix' claim

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Not ascetic bae, unless u want me to be <3

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Like, aloof yes. Condescending , yes. Pompous, yes. Ascetic? Nononono

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[Sherlock and Watson]

[quote="In post 1724, Reasonably Rational]
Fuck I'm turning into those people I hate who just spam the thread with a bunch of little fucking posts instead of putting it all together into a single thought. ><
-Cerb

[/quote]

Yesss join the dark side

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[Sherlock and Watson]

596 presumably?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

The wheel has spoken!

VOTE: pineB

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[Sherlock and Watson]

The stuff before he drifted into pick spec looked ok tbh

The pick stuff was bad but I'm not sure it was scummy bad

Then again boon by now knows I expect him to flip his read three times on me in any given conversation so maybe he's playing into that

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Am I the only one that likes Boon's recent posts?

Am I the only one that likes Boon's recent posts?

Why do you like them?

They felt genuine and seemed like even though his approach (setup spec) was bad, his intentions didn't seem bad.

lol like it was two posts after?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

no one cares what u think

there we go buddy, now you're really getting into character as an RC-fanboy :3

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Even in 1 day?
If we could get the game to 200 pages in D1 that’da be great

if that's why you wanted, why'd you reject Nancy? It's like impossible to break 200 d1 without her

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I can't handle the hydra thing anymore

So much extra work zzz

Do you want to be happy go lucky smiley girl all the time because I was enjoying her

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I don't like any of these wagons

Back later

Kaito or not kaito?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Not kaito for thought process or tone?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Not kaito for thought process or tone?

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Not Kaito for Kaito

Oh shit now I wanna vote him out of envy

:3

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Ank will you ever read me like you read Kaito?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Not kaito for thought process or tone?

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Not Kaito for Kaito

You got me green with envy ank, I can't even

Sniff

I'm happy for you tho

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Hey who all wants to speedwagon Kaito?

VOTE: Kaito

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[Sherlock and Watson]

It's weird how Sherlock and Watson apparently scumreads Bitmap the most yet every few posts they'll try to drum up support for our lynch and then start talking about something else when it doesn't work.

Town Dunn does not write this post LOL

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Bitmap has been getting better since Saturday and literally everything Kaito writes is awful and he thinks my boredom with a dead wagon is "interesting"

It's decided, Kaito wins the day 1 lynch!

ALL ABOARD!!!!

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Alisae would you like to endorse Kaito for the day 1 lynch?!?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

It took Alisae more than a minute to respond to that post therefore Kaito is now confirmed scum

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Why not?

Because it makes me think "man Dunn sure seems to think he knows a lot about my reads after I said they were 'fucked' and then start literally spinning the wheel"

Like he's grappling onto reads from three days ago that my hydra partner didn't even agree with and saying it's "interesting" I've moved onto my NEXT lowest scumread

That's not "interesting" and him saying it's "interesting" is literally the scummiest thing I've seen in this entire thread

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Feel the SPICE and vote kaito :3

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[Sherlock and Watson]

It's too late ank I've stolen your spice

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Something’s hPpening. People are distracting from HokeyPokey

Yeah, Kaito is :3

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[Sherlock and Watson]

You can vote Maki if you want too

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I love it when u fight my wagons like that boon

Mmm yaaa

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Titus, I'm giving you a freebie.

This is Dunnstral's obvtown game.

Dunnstral's obvtown game is to make superficial snipes with no conviction?

Tell me more ank

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I think your reads are below average

Ank goes day 2 lolol

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I'll vig oka tonight for you boon

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Go check in your scum pt for instructions from ali

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[Sherlock and Watson]

We're riding the party train to maki lynch and you're invited! Woohoo!

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Link the dance game?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Yeah the solving in that game is waaaaaaaaay better than this game, it's night and day dude

Bitmap wanna play a game? Read 38 posts of starry night and tell me who dunn townreads. Now read his iso this this game and tell me who he townreads.

He's not solving this game basically at all lol. If you compare to starry night it could not be more different

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[Sherlock and Watson]

You're pissed at gobble over the ascetic thing? :/

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Bitmap how many townreads did you find in his iso this game?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Join on K&M and make it a real wagon cerb!

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Bitmap how many townreads did you find in his iso this game?

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I thought the Spiff read was a town read but then it suddenly went to not a town read.

Do you think MariaR has had more influence on Dunn this game?

B

I think Dunn rolled scum and I fucking love it because I've always wanted to lynch scum dunn!

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Okay Ank

1) Who does he scumread?

2) Does not having townreads make him town?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

You obviously

so 83 pages into day 1 dunn has 0 townreads and is 0/1 on scumreads huh

<3 u ank

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[Sherlock and Watson]

This kaito resistance is spicy I love it!

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[Sherlock and Watson]

you're all completely worthless

i know you're joking around but this was like the last thing i needed to hear rn

It's ok ali was talking to er scumteam

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[Sherlock and Watson]

you're all completely worthless

i know you're joking around but this was like the last thing i needed to hear rn

It's ok ali was talking to er scumteam

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oh you're especially worthless

I <3 u too ali!!!!!!

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[Sherlock and Watson]

recruit chemist

B

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[Sherlock and Watson]

This will be spicy :3

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I love you so damn much Ank you don't even know

I'm dying rn



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[Sherlock and Watson]

It's day 1, let's just lynch kaito in peace for trying to steal your heart from me

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[Sherlock and Watson]

especially town that is bringing some much needed seriousness to this game

What did you think you were getting in a game where Alisae is a scum treestump? LOL

like this is why I think Kaito is scum, does he think I approach this game from the perspective "oh no, not gonna shitpost?" like REALLY???

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[Sherlock and Watson]

VOTE: sherlock + watson

M+K wagon sucks ass.

Based on your BoP on me this should make you scum

Do you disagree with the actual substance of my case against Dunn or just dislike the wagon comp?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Also Ank, word to the wise, if you want to talk down about seriousness, maybe don't open with a readslist based on random.org?

JUST SAYIN' You might have a bit more cred here if you weren't playing to deliberately obstruct cohesive reads of your alignment :3

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I don't see why that's a thought process that would be weird for him

because Dunn is one of the players MOST capable of discriminating between town shitposts and scum agendas?

Like BoP here makes him scum most of the time

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[Sherlock and Watson]

OK but is Kaito town or scum Esp? & Y?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Not sure I BoP anyone still living tbh,

What does this mean? There are dead people in this game or are you talking about dead people on site?

I have agreed with several things this slot has posted at key moments so I dislike the lynch, but I also very much dislike the comp?

By "this slot" you mean Dunn? If so: Which points did you like that he made and why is him making those points town indicative?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

And I sag if you ask me for a read on one head and not another I will lose all faith in you actually caring about trying to solve slots.

Unless you think hydras get to role pms.

I mean, do you think Maria has posted enough content for her to be readable? It's mostly Dunn's slot imo?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Remind me who this head is?

Krazy

Full disclosure: also known as Weiss Schnee, but MOSTLY Krazy in terms of the game I was referring to (TM)

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[Sherlock and Watson]

P sure I explained that I have issues with the fact that Maria might be trying to pocket people but overall I think they are fine and positive for the game. Unlike another hydra in this thread.

Wow fiesty

Like if you want to insult me just do so, don't beat around the bush :3

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I think I don't have a scum read on the slot. Which is enough given this is uninformed majority v informed minority

How many games have you played with Dunn?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I wasn't aware scum reading people for posting without contributing for half a day phase was insulting.

Since when is "positive for the game" a comment on alignment?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Okay well you seem conflicted, Esp. What posts leave you uncertain on his alignment?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I wasn't aware scum reading people for posting without contributing for half a day phase was insulting.

Since when is "positive for the game" a comment on alignment?

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It isn't

Okay then why are you acting like you didn't just insult me?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

????????
all of them?

So you see nothing AI in any of his posts. It's not that some posts seem scummy and some seem towny, you just get nothing?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Because I didn't?

So who you were insulting then? Cerb?

P sure I explained that I have issues with the fact that Maria might be trying to pocket people but overall I think they are fine and positive for the game. Unlike another hydra in this thread.

You just said "positive for the game" isn't a comment on alignment, so this is obviously an insult. So why did you suddenly start getting personal?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

it's posts like this that make me want to flashlynch the fuck out of you

this is exactly how you treat me as scum.

Critical difference here, I didn't insult your ability to read me, I was more commenting on your general level of credibility in the thread rn

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Well considering I was scum reading you for being unhelpful to the thread for a long period of time, fairly sure it means I think you're scum.

I wasn't aware scum reading people for posting without contributing for half a day phase was insulting.

Since when is "positive for the game" a comment on alignment?

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It isn't

Then why did you say this? Get confused by negatives?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

what makes you think I was referring to you insulting my ability to read you?

Was that not a reference to TM? I can't think of any other game I've rolled scum vs. you?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Hmm, do you think that making a weirdly convoluted response like 2146 is helpful or unhelpful for the thread? Because it seems like gradeschool level equivocation and wasted like 5 minutes of my time so yeah, thanks for your "helpfulness"

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[Sherlock and Watson]

gay dance???

I said anything in that game before replacing out? I'll see if I can find it I don't really remember it tbh

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I negged you for not dancing with me then left, I think my tone is like wildly different here but I'm probably not an objective observer, but I don't see any critiques of your reads or abilities? I mostly just did nothing and and qq'd about pairings

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Well I've just reiterated that positive for the game isn't alignment indicative. I'm not the one that assumed because one action is scummy the opposite action is townie.

Yeah, and not clarifying an obvious point of confusion when asked about it directly is certainly not an unhelpful/rude thing to do. You're really winning hearts and minds here Esp, go get'em

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Ank you're not getting lynched today, calm down bejeebus

If you wanna fight me on Dunn you're going to need a helluva better towncase though

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pedit: yes it did but I'm posting this anyway even though maybe it's pointless

[Sherlock and Watson]

This is an insult: Learn your mafia fundamentals.

Thank you! At least I feel like we're on the same page now :3

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[Sherlock and Watson]

my towncase for dunn is how are you even scumreading him???

Because he has no reads, no conviction, and this doesn't even even remotely like he did when I rolled town with him in literally any of the games I've played with him?

By meta, he's off his town meta

By play this game, he's fence-sitty and shifty

By BoP, his reads look meh to bad

By reasons to townread, I see one post from Maria I ~kinda liked which is basically not enough for the problems I have with the slot

For a day 1 read, that's about as good as it gets when I'm townreading like 3/4ths of the game? So by PoE, he defaults to scum

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Like by what measure do you NOT scumread him? He's literally the scummiest player in the game regardless of what he actually flips. Obviously I have concerns with merely being "off meta" but he seems scummy for the way he's passively pushing me and attacking my townblock without actually getting in the shit with the rest of the game?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Have you met TSE?

I feel like TSE is playing in a manner that suggests he has no confidence in his reads but is trying something different and hoping for the best which to me strikes me as at least nominally above town and if I check my notes I thought I noticed something that felt actually townie in his tone earlier, I don't think he's a good day 1 personally

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Like the townier Espe feels in this exchange the more I want Dunn because I'm literally running out of people I actually think flip scum in this game

I have way too many town for day 1 so while I'm open to critiques of my townblock I want to lynch one of the few people I *actually* think has a good chance of flipping scum and right now Dunn is the only player in the game I can honestly say that for

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I don't know! I didn't mean to, it was an accident I swear!

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Someone notice me please

Amrun isn't the worst counter-wagon to Dunn off play I suppose, but I liked the way she claimed and I feel like lynching ascetic claims day 1 is a trap. Mostly because I was literally thinking before this game started, "huh if I Ali I'd probably make one of the rules be that there's like 5 ascetics in the game"

So ascetic is NAI, but claiming it fast out of the gate is like ~+townie?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Chemist, remember the full claim, you're a Mason-SK now, I recruited you

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Yeah that's what I just said, I recruited him like an hour ago, keep up Ali

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pedit: No I didn't recruit FA yet, she needs to post more

[Sherlock and Watson]

Yeah Ali is stealing my notes from the scum PT

Come on Ali make it more subtle

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Tell the truth Esp

You've secretly just decided to put your faith in THE WHEEL

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Ank is voting me because she's frustrated that I'm continuing to push Dunn despite her townread on him and the vote is her way of letting me know

That or she believes I'm scummy but I think it's the first one :3

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Aaron would you like to join on a hot and spicy Maki and Kaito wagon?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Who says he did?

If Ali says the setup has to have 2 ascetic, then the mods have the perogative to add an ascetic enabler to the setup in response so that the setup fan fit their balance specifications

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[Sherlock and Watson]

*e, sorry

[Sherlock and Watson]

wait Ali picks the scum roles or Ali *allocates* the scum roles?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Alisae can choose which mafia member gets which role.

this does not mean that Ali can say "scum don't have an ascetic enabler"

it means that if scum have an ascetic enabler, Ali can choose which member of eir team gets it

isn't that how it worked in Pine v. Ali?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Alisae can choose which mafia member gets which role.

this does not mean that Ali can say "scum don't have an ascetic enabler"

it means that if scum have an ascetic enabler, Ali can choose which member of eir team gets it

isn't that how it worked in Pine v. Ali?

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My dear nemesis, Professor Moriarty, can you confirm whether this interpretation of page 1 is correct?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

What if we played some mountainous mafia with pine as an ic

i.e. lynch Kaito?

:3

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[Sherlock and Watson]

So Ali can say "Scum #1 is informed about every TPR in the game"?

Like I don't see how you balance around that if there's no limitations?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Who is bullying you?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I don't see why that's a thought process that would be weird for him

because Dunn is one of the players MOST capable of discriminating between town shitposts and scum agendas?

Like BoP here makes him scum most of the time

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Hmm

I don't have a lot of experience playing with Dunn, but I have one game of reference that I modded recently that leads me to believe Dunn is not a player who is BoPable

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81560

He was mislynched on Day 2 as town and didn't do much except lurk the whole game. Not sure if this is a good example of his town play or not but I felt like bringing it up because I'm not a fan of your push there.

wow holy shit an actual rebuttal good job Aaron!

idk why it's so hard for people who know him LOL

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[Sherlock and Watson]

That game actually *does* look much closer to this than Starry Night, so a good refutation of the BoP/fence-sitting points

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Aaron, reading the first 38* posts of his iso in these 3 games, what would you expect him to flip in each? (*if there are 38)

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

No cheating and peaking at the card before you decide!

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Whoa Ali

Not cool

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Dayvig Alisae

[Sherlock and Watson]

tbh I don't know how to feel because on the one hand that was like the first time I've actually felt like you were disrupting my process which is the whole point of your role but on the other hand I'm like actually 10% annoyed now

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

town

town

I was in the large normal as scum under an alt so can't answer that unbiased

Why does 2274 read like a pocket?

well it was ruined but that was my concern, my point was that basically Dunn feels in the ballpark of his play from Excalibur. There's a few differences but there's enough similarities that he has my attention (the 2nd one in the list as ali mentioned where he was scum), and he feels more likely town to me in the games where he was actually town (that makes sense sorry if it sounds weird)

2274 sounds like a pocket because my positive energy is relief that someone actually engaged with me seriously. I love Ank, I love her reads, but it can be a pain getting her to actually refute my points directly which makes it hard sometimes to understand the confidence she has in her reads on specific slots I disagree with

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Recruit Espeonage

my possible scumreads continues to dwindle :/

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Spiffeh
OkaPoka
Bitmap
Amrun
Frozen Angel

like is this what I'm left with among non-masons or non-mason contenders?

I've fucked up a read somewhere but I feel like there has to be 2+ here? K+M for a third and I've maybe fucked 1 mason read, 2 if I jumped the gun on Hectic like Ank seems to think

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Kaito's still the lynch, I'm just thinking out loud

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[Sherlock and Watson]

so sherlock you are townreading flavor?

If Boon is scum he's done a pretty good job at emulating his town thought processes so far. That being said mind-melding with him on certain reads makes me very nervous because that almost never happens and I don't know what it means. I'm not going to scumread him for agreeing with me but I will say having almost entirely overlapping PoEs is a wholly new experience and we've played a fair number of games together

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Chemist/Amrun/TSE - are lean towns based on what I said earlier. TSE even moreso.

Gobbledygook/Bitmap are town reads of mine based on their play and posts, and position in the gamestate.

Spiffeh/Espeonage/Frozen Angel I think probably have scum in them based on their place in this game mixed with the drafting process and my other reads.

Okapoka’s probably just scum, especially if Krazy is town.

RR, idk, null.

OkaPoka/Maki/Espeonage is my way too early scum team, with probably like Spiffeh/FA.

I guess if you wanted the long and short of it, this post specifically doesn't look like a scum boon post to me, particularly for early day 1 briefly after a catchup

I would have liked more from Boon before he went deep into the pick spec stuff so I didn't get like, the full town boon experience, but I got like a decently sized sampler plate that's enough for me to have no interest in him this dayphase

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Sorry, my internet was out all day yesterday and I’ve been working most of today. I’m present

This is his last post on site

I would hazard a guess that his internet MIGHT have gone out today

If he's not lurking scum, that is

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[Sherlock and Watson]

(But actually that Pine snipe from Kaito is like, yet another superficial read based on something that's NAI and he still needs to die

In case you were wondering who I want to lynch right now)

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[Sherlock and Watson]

You think this one post disqualifies the fact that he immediately flopped on me as soon as I called him out on a bad post and continues to misrepresent the game?

Hate to say it but him flipping his read on you at the drop of a hat ranges from NAI to town indicative?

That being said I still need the full town boon experience. Don't deadsheep this read in lylo

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[Sherlock and Watson]

It's bad for my hairline to interrupt Boon while he is in the middle of his process.

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Also, frankly, he was townier than you at that point

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[Sherlock and Watson]

pedit: yeah i know why didn't you say something along the lines of wow flavor townier i think

I probably wanted to see where it went, I don't remember which exact part of your thing you're thinking of but anything that makes you more readable is probably good for the thread

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[Sherlock and Watson]

If we can lynch Kaito before page 100 I'll make a point to get the Penguin to come in here and drop some hot gif action

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Oka I feel like you're identifying all the reasons that Boon starts as a scumread and has to earn a townread in my book but you're missing the town for his baseline scumminess

You're right that his manipulative posts shouldn't be townread but at the end of the day he's still trying to solve the game and not just being scum

I wish I could explain it better but I expect you're going to sleep and I'm also quite tired right now and my arm hurts from typing but I really wish you'd join on Kaito which is actually a wagon that flips scum

<3 you keep on birbin tho birb

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[Sherlock and Watson]

@mod: V/LA until the 10th.

@ank

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[Sherlock and Watson]

reeeee

Join your avian friends and vote Maki and Kaito. For the PPP!

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

VOTE: sherlock

I was about to say "I'm offended" but then realized you were just voting Sherlock.

<3

[Sherlock and Watson]

VOTE: sherlock

I was about to say "I'm offended" but then realized you were just voting Sherlock.

<3

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

Why'd you decide to swap onto us when you were previously voting with us?

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

Cuz, like, you say you don't town read any of the current wagons but you decided to make us the leading wagon when there were equivalent competing wagons at the time of Bitmap's vote so that seems sorta weird with your comment.

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

Damn

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

It may be easier to do so if you were to swap back now

<3

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

Aww, we get the pleasure of being a counter-wagon to scum Dunnstral! This game is everything I could have hoped for and more! :3

I've made some personalized invitations for our townies :3

Spoiler: chemist1422

∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ My dearest chemist1422 I would like to invite you to the honor of a day one lynch on scum Dunnstra l! Would you like to vote Maki and Kaito? ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾

Spoiler: Hectic

∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ My dearest Hectic I would like to invite you to the honor of a day one lynch on scum Dunnstra l! Would you like to vote Maki and Kaito? ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾

Spoiler: gobbledygook

∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ My dearest gobbledygook I would like to invite you to the honor of a day one lynch on scum Dunnstra l! Would you like to vote Maki and Kaito? ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾

Spoiler: ReasonablyRational

∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ My dearest Cerb and Drixx hydra I would like to invite you to the honor of a day one lynch on scum Dunnstra l! Would you like to vote Maki and Kaito? ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Those are beautifully made, Sherlock. Thank you.

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

DISCLAIMER -- I am still working on appropriate gifs; the gifs are very WIP please don't @ me cause you don't like yours

AaronFrost -- Mason Block

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Aaron seems transparently town to me at this point.
I liked the tone of certain early posts, which Hectic also picked up on: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11566554

However, he's one of the only people who engaged with the substance of my Kaito push, and actually made good points in his straightforward and clear rebuttal: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11576591

I feel like that's a very townie rebuttal tbh

However, given Aaron says he would have townread Dunn in Excalibur, I think Aaron is simply not prioritizing the things that I think are scum indicative for Dunn as much as he should. He is entitled to disagree but I think he's wrong on Kaito. https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11576656

Espeonage -- Mason contender, pending approval

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

I have bounced around on my Esp read all day. I thought that here https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11566607 Bitmap, Pine, and TSE was the weirdest? possible choice for a voting bloc

Also the "I wasn't picked by either of you" language in this post felt kinda fake to me -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11566623

However I thought this was a great point about TSE, which was annoying given Esp's later heavy focus on TSE -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11566688

However, after this thought process, which had actually crossed my mind at the same time? felt very white-rabbit chasing in a townie way given the nature of this game

GUYS I SOLVED THE GAME!

You slipped.

Does anyone have the full ascetic / not ascetic list.

I need to use my NIHGT ACTOIN!

shut up your vanilla townie

Vote: Pine

Either this is scum OR fixes this fucked up game state.

Titus I solved the game. Do you agree Pine should die?

why everyone bully me?

Bitmap, I solved the game. Vote Pine with me.

chemist1422 -- Mason contender, pending approval

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

I initially was a bit concerned about this slot just because https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11565738 is such a weird question

But THIS

you're all completely worthless

i know you're joking around but this was like the last thing i needed to hear rn

you're all completely worthless

i know you're joking around but this was like the last thing i needed to hear rn

Chemist you specifically are amazing

ik I'm like supposed to be like evil but you are super fun to play with and ur great and I would rather have a fun environment playing with someone like you over a super serious environment

you're all completely worthless

i know you're joking around but this was like the last thing i needed to hear rn

Hey Chemist, I reckon you've been great. You listened and agreed with me on TSE.

Can you vote Pine so we can see if he squirms when we call him on his I'm happy to die claim.

interesting

lemme scan a couple things then get back to you

you're all completely worthless

i know you're joking around but this was like the last thing i needed to hear rn

Chemist you specifically are amazing

ik I'm like supposed to be like evil but you are super fun to play with and ur great and I would rather have a fun environment playing with someone like you over a super serious environment

<3

is not s/s

gobbledygook -- Town

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Watson has some reservations about this slot, but I feel like I don't. I liked the burn here https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11568002 which did not feel S/S, and while it's a read about me I liked the sudden re-evaluation here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11570291

Beyond that posts feel townie and I just don't really feel any pings here tbh?

TrueSoulEnergy -- Town

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

The explanation for the "wheel" just screams someone who doesn't really feel confident on day 1 reads and wants to do some lulz and see how things turn out https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11566774

Also I think this post is just too funny to come from scum -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11570002

Spiffeh -- Townlean/Maybe town?

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11578217

Boon -- Townlean/Maybe town?

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

This post still basically holds true -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11577026

By all rights he should be higher but I just feel cautious here given I have literally explained how I read boon, to him, at length, at least twice so there's a higher risk he could just play around me. I still don't really think that's what's happening here and he's probably just town

Hectic -- Townlean/Maybe can return to masonry soon

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

I initially liked Hectic for https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11566299 since it seemed like he was sorting off heads which is a townie level of nuance.

The reason I early mason'd him was because of https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11567611 -- I thought towncasing Aaron in strong terms was very townie, and I agreed on his assessment about several of the posts. I had actually be considering recruiting Aaron myself already.

Now I got the impression later on that his towncase on aaron was actually an inside-joke/quasi shit-post, but I think doing a meme towncase is still +rand town, even if this tempered my read on him from full mason down to more townlean.

He hasn't been super present in the thread lately due to V/LA so there's been fewer recent reasons to shore up this read but I still like him for town.

Null/townlean -- Reasonably Rational

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Cerb and Drixx are never particularly easy reads for me. I did like Drixx calling out Bitmap for his scummy jokes here -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11566307

I also frankly kinda bought the "why didn't you draft us?" comment of that same post. For Drixx and Cerb it felt like it came from a town place tbh.

Unfortunately we're now further in the game and I'd like to have more things to point to that would make them more strongly town or that I could towncase them for in response to other peoples' pushes but these are still the most AI points for me.

Quarantine -- Ankamius

Spoiler:

Ankamius has been a naughty girl so she doesn't get a pockety gif or a fleshed out read. Naughty naughty! This also doesn't reflect her actual position in my reads, just where I feel like placing her for being naughty.

Null -- Pine

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

My early inclination on Pine was that his roleclaim sounded like something a bit more likely to come from town, but now that I know Ali designed the cards I don't actually know what it means. I liked his early energy and the assertion that he'd solve hard day 1 expecting to be lynched later due to his role. Unfortunately he then disappeared from the game. https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11567531

Also, as scum he tends to push my alts so his vote on me, while ~NAI on the whole, does slightly fit his patterns as scum. Still I really just need more from him to solidify his read. The masonry recruitment was probably premature.

Null -- OkaPoka

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

I've been trying to decide if this https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11577098

and this https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11576524

like both could be town indicative or scum indicative, but I can't decide which

If I had to toss a coin I'd go null-town for this post -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11576942 but it's not enough to move him out of the null bracket in this list rn

Null -- Amrun

Spoiler:

Kinda liked this post - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11565560
Don't like qqing about the push being ignored --https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11566029

Agreeing with a shitty case here is a really bad look for who is typically a strong player -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11572944

This could be townie? https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11573197

This is also a little townie -- https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11577414

Need more from this slot for it to be solvable and its reads need to be corrected but I wouldn't put money on it actually flipping scum at this point

Null PoE -- Frozen Angel

Spoiler:

Not sure what I'm supposed to do with a slot that's absent, but I doubt Ali knew FA would be absent from the game so I can't think of a reason Ali WOULDN'T pick FA.

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[Sherlock and Watson]

It's looking like I'm wrong on some townreads though so hopefully my incorrect reads will be solved soon

Still Kaito is like hands down the best lynch here and I am SUPER excited to be his counter-wagon LOL

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Oh I didn't finish my spiffeh write up

Didn't like first post, have liked re-evaluating and evolving thought process throughout the day, gut says I should call him a mason contender but I've never played with him and have no frame of reference for his scum game, otherwise probably hard town at this point

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Yeah sorry that was unintentional, should have given it another pass

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[Sherlock and Watson]

<3 you FA

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[Sherlock and Watson]

All the gifs are either from Clue or Knives Out :3

Also I'm not really spoiling either movie or trying to match whether the person was "guilty" in the movie to my read so don't read into that

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Hey krazy

Why are you holding me at a distance like this?

You're reminding me of that game where you refused to lynch Golden Rob even though she was obvious scum so you're being NAUGHTY

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Sherlock the towncase on Aaron was both legit and a shitpost at the same time

Now I got the impression later on that his towncase on aaron was actually an inside-joke/quasi shit-post

when did you get this impression
and based on what?

trying to remember where you implied it was a quasi-shitpost but I couldn't find it, you did kinda mention it somewhere in your iso tho iirc

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Also Bitmap is like more or less just null as well, was deciding between null and null-scum and then forgot that I hadn't placed him while I was doing laundry. There's like a wallpost I could write on all the things I like and dislike about his slot but I don't know if it's helpful when the conclusion is ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'd say I'd put him slightly below FA in the null-POE but that might imply I'm scumreading him more than I am, also Watson I think kinda liked some of his posts there too so need to check in when Pengii gets a bit of time to catch up with me

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[Sherlock and Watson]

your read and interactions with Ank are so weird
compared to how i've seen you interact with her before

when have you seen me interact with her before? You mean when I was scum in TM?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Hey krazy

Why are you holding me at a distance like this?

Also I began the game like, deliberately trying to break you away from the thing where you always demand a read on you immediately because even though I often become certain of my read on you it is disruptive to my process to be forced to start there. That and since I had planned to be roleplaying a bit (kinda dropped it tho tbh) I imagined you were going to have a fucked up read of me at the start. Now that you've decided to townread Dunn for shitty reasons though I feel like I'm just running into classic Ank obstinance and if I make clear the extent of my townread on you you'll be even more disruptive to lynching scum day 1

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

never mind
forget i said that

Tell the truth

you actually forgot I was scum in TM

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Oh my bad

Alright I'll avoid mentioning it again

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[Sherlock and Watson]

I claimed commuter in my op
I told Boon I'd vig Oka if he helped me lynch Dunn
I also have been roleplaying as a Day-Mason-Recruiter even though that role cannot exist
And I have confirmed I am not ascetic
Which of those are real claims, and which of them are jokes?
I'll leave that one to you

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[Sherlock and Watson]

This HokeyPokey deadass just sheeped Sherlock and Myself before going to Sherlock wtf

VOTE: OkaPoka

true but he was told to join major wagons by Titus so it seems like he can't decide wtf he wants to do

I read it as NAI

Stay on Dunn please

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

no
it was something else lol
involving an alt

now I'm confused as to what possible alt you could have in that game because I know a decent chunk of the list

curiouser and curiouser

-s

[Sherlock and Watson]

But I want to be the sole counter-wagon when scum Dunn flips

:3

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[Sherlock and Watson]

We’re actually only 1 vote away from becoming a major wagon tbh

My boy AaronFrost, aka the Hollowest of Knights, aka the Zotiest of Mights, is also voting HokeyPokey

He isn't though.

Woops. Totally did not do that to get an egopost on my main.

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

also Maki/Kaito seem fine after reading their posts

Which of their posts do you like and why?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Stop claiming

More specifically, stop claiming things that aren't anti-town and useful to be claimed day 1, and/or a counter to current claims

As point of reads, Kaito going after people for doing things that he thinks are "anti-town" is more reflective of his scum pattern. As town he more frequently goes after SCUM behavior, as scum he tends to qq about town not playing the way he thinks town should play more. It's not a hard gap (he does critique bad plays as town too), but he does so with greater frequency as scum because it's an easy thing to comment on

That seems immoral if nothing else.

scummy

So post 29 is a scum claim by you then, or what? What possible reason could you have for thinking the first ascetic claim is scum if you're not an ascetic claim yourself, and Pine is the ascetic enabler?

Scummy argument because scum can very easily claim ascetic or an ascetic-like role to discourage investigations on them, so calling it a "scum claim" is a superficial pot shot

Stop trying to "control the game" please -- if it doesn't matter who dies today for your role then let us do our thing. Nobody is going to want to listen to you when you're like this

this is just whiny, Espeonage wasn't even really trying to 'control the game' and even if he was he wasn't being successful enough to justify this overreaction

All these nothing posts feel scummy to me, coming from Sherlock

My iso had a full reads list almost from game start and so he's qqing about the fact that I'm shitposting in a game with a scum treestump. Sorry but what?

You're smart enough to reach this conclusion too. Suspect.

This is one of the better points the slot makes, insofar as Pine's argument was quite bad (also weird that he took my post seriously) but this doesn't improve my read of the slot because I see no reason not to see this as distancing. It's also worrying to me that Maki is making the better points of the slot while everything Kaito says still looks bad.

So you moved us down to reevaluate after I called out that you were nothing posting?

I hate this word, but this is actually a de jure misrep. He called me out before my previous reads list while I still had him as leantown. I downgraded them because I was re-evaluating the earlier posts since he got my attention. Also, this is an overraction for moving from "lean town" to "re-evaluate". I didn't even push them as scum so why would Dunn be concerned with me not leaving them on town when they're pushing me? This thought process is a scummy overreaction, not a town thought process.

You don't have to be town leader, but you're not even posting on-topic to the game or showing any of this solving that you can apparently explain

This is a scummy snipe of an argument

+1 Agreed. The more I see Bitmap saying it the more I go 'hm'

Why is Pine such a townread for peeps? I think his play is pretty bad for reasons I outlined before. Although, I don't mind voting S and W mostly because of what Kaito said. Maybe I should try reading that slot myself though.

I think a townie would recognize that Pine was being townread largely for the nature of his claim and his conviction in saying he was going to solve day 1. If Pine is scum this feels more like TMI to me now because even though I didn't hate it at the time I don't really see why Maki was thinking this at the time? Although yeah Pine was saying some weird stuff so this on the whole is one of the better posts from the slot.

Understandable. As long as you know my sadness levels will go up somewhat.

This is NAI but I would have expected sarcasm here rather than lowgrade AtE

Also complaining to whine about "nothing posting" where I'm engaging with Ali is just, I have to say it, a bullshit read. Town Dunn does not complain at me for socializing/provoking Ali, that just feels like a fake thought process.

And citing PoE as a reason to scumread someone at this point in the game is nonsensical, get out of here with that

bullshit

I don't see how anything FL has done this game is scummy. They're null for me. You saying it's their scum meta without explanation doesn't do it for me, you linking their iso also doesn't do it for me. You're putting the minimum amount of effort possible to try to wave off FL as scum - not sure what I can "know better" when you don't explain anything.

I'm not asking you to wall post, I'm saying you're not explaining things, and are acting like everyone who calls you out on it is weird/scummy

this is a whiny post asking me to overly explain a scumread on Boon that I can't do because Boon is only scum off meta not play at this point, which suggests that Dunn here is TMIing Boon town and trying to goad me into a confrontation with him while also white knighting someone he should not at this point be white knighting

scummy as shit

I don't appreciate being discredited as "whiny" - I believe I've made good points and you've been trying to brush me aside by pointing to things that are only kind of related, like saying "then why aren't you going after bitmap"

This is a slimy discredit. I wasn't saying his posts to me were whining, I was saying his entire play was whiny. His Pine read is whiny, even if it at least makes sense. His Espeonage shade was whiny about NAI stuff. And yes, also his shade on me was whiny about NAI stuff. This is night and day from how Dunn feels as town.

@Sherlock Why did you not request me to come post or talk to me. I suppose that's my only real issue with you.

I don't hate this but it's kinda weird because I feel like I've a) never done this and b) I DID ask about the Bitmap read?

This is a weird post.

Simply observing posts as "weird" is scummy
(looks at own response to 1337)
okay not ALWAYS scummy but still sometimes scummy

No, they're spiritually sheeping the argument in post 569

Kaito doesn't keep up a bad argument like this this long especially in lieu of coherent reads on most of the list

Look in our iso, but tldr: Maki cased him as scum and he hasn't responded to us

like is this an actual scumslip? Pine hasn't even returned to the site and he's acting like not responding to the case is scummy.

Like Pine COULD be scum here is what pisses me off, but I still don't see how they are pushing Pine in a townie way

OK, so lynching Pine would let protective roles protect claimed prs anyway, and since we don't townread him this is perfect

#wolfing

Conclusion:



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[Sherlock and Watson]

I don't know what exactly you expect me to do when you just shut down any engagement and try to overpower me when I challenge you, and it doesn't sit right when you go out of your way to specifically shut that path down before I even interact with you along that same track of thought.

Shut you down? I asked for a fucking rebuttal.

You've just been shutting me down! Why is Dunn town?

Because Dunn's Dunn

Fuck off, I don't like his posting, TWO different people in this game with significantly less experience with Dunn have provided rebuttals to my points but you are too good to?

Like just play day 1 and respond to my points rather than taking pot shots and acting like I'm a fucking idiot, it's rude

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[Sherlock and Watson]

a quick CTR+F immediately disproved that Oka
but i read them anyway
i like the first one a lot more than the second
the second feels a little over the top
like i agree but it's a lot of words to prove something that doesn't require so many words
overall those do make you look better for town

for now: VOTE: Sherlock

So this is a #Wagons vote if I understand?

Can you be clearer on why your townread on me degraded so abruptly?

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[Sherlock and Watson]

Watson like Gobble more, thinks my bad townread is somewhere in {hectic, boon, TSE} and given the kinda weird trajectory from Hectic I'm second-guessing him a little more now but I still wouldn't call him scum

He doesn't like my Aaron town blocking, and I don't like it either given Aaron kinda stopped engaging with my argument after his rebuttal but I'm still pretty sure he's town so *shrug*

I think it's kinda silly I actually got up to L-3 but I would never assume lynching scum Dunn would actually be easy so this is kinda fun LOL

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Aaron's pocketing argument
your interactions with Ank
the dismissal of the Aaron case when i see nothing to warrant that from my ISO
and your overall tone/playstyle has just felt... off
compared to you on your alts

Aaron's pocketing argument was because my response to him was an indirect response to Ank, I can see why it threw him off because he didn't get what I was actually saying

what'd you think of my town case on you Aaron?
pretty impressive right?

what'd you think of my town case on you Aaron?
pretty impressive right?

Very impressive. You learned from the best

thank you
i needed that validation

This makes the read seem like an inside joke or like I don't know what's fully going on

Comparing me to my alts that are built around shitposting is a bad idea

I can see why you might be thrown by a change in tone, but given you've seen my scumgame and it's ~not this~, what's going on?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Also, AaronFrost, Titus, and I recently won a scum game together.

can you link that game?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

why would you do that?

Don't get confused, I'm actually masons with Boon and GG, we're just trying to be subtle about it

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

yeah maybe Sherlock
you're starting to changing my mind

can we do Bitmap?

Here's every conversation I have with Watson about Bitmap:

*early game*
Sherlock: I disagree with everything Bitmap says and I don't see how his POV comes from town
Watson: Yeah maybe Bitmap's scum
Watson: Actually idk, maybe this is town Bitmap?
Sherlock: ??? Well okay let me know when you decide, in the mean time I still don't like his posts

*today*
Sherlock: I still have no idea what to do with Bitmap but he's mindmelded me with a few times which is making me concerned I overreacted to his weird early game
Watson: idk Bitmap might be scum
Watson: actually this maybe town Bitmap?

I kinda... just don't want to think about Bitmap anymore at this point, I don't know how to say it, but I don't have anywhere near the conviction to actually push him through day 1 at this point. I don't his reads or his POV and some of the early stuff he said was scummy but I honestly have never really played with him and the people with more experience are saying he's ???maybetown???

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Let’s lynch Maki and end the day phase

[Sherlock and Watson]

Ank walk me through Oka town?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Why would alisae choose to make an ascetic enabler tho

there's part of me that kinda thinks this was a scumslip?

I don't feel like it was commonly understood that Ali was literally designing the roles? But I don't know that I can prove Oka wouldn't have known that as town, I'm not sure if my preconceptions from Ali v. Pine are throwing me off here

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Also I remember reading Oka's scumgame being thrown off by how many random ass pushes he made, but I don't know that I can metacase Oka since I very much failed to do so correctly last time I played with him. I just don't think randomly throwing out names that seem ~null rather than ~scummy is particularly townie or reminds me of his towngame at all?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

of all the reasons to lynch me ill be happy if the reason to lynch me is that i read the setup information

I mean, this is mafiascum2020

reading setup info is scummy don't you know?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Subject: Large Normal 223 | New Beginnings | GAME OVER

As much as I'd love for this to be true, I think this is town!Garmr. From what I can gather looking at his meta, town!Garmr does stupid shit like this all the time.

Fuck Aaron would metatowncase someone as scum

still his argument here was at least a bit better? Like that's vague, here he linked a specific game and stuck to the argument.

I guess I'm actually overvaluing his defense of Dunn a little though.

I still like him as town, I was not expecting to find a post like this in his scum play tho tbh. Still town tho. His scumrange is just wider than I realized

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Hectic you're still lock on town aaron right?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

He’s a mason.

Keep in mind, I was his scum partner and that was his first scum victory

He did really well, though, so yeah, bigger scum range

Yeah I think my original reasons for masoning him off tone still stand, and his towncase of Dunn feels a lot more real than that Garmr thing he pulled out of nowhere

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I'm going to lose brain cells if this isn't a joke

what thing? the Aaron discussion?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Holy shit Boon, that gif you just posted in the mason PT is FIRE!

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

TSE - Boon - Hectic - Espeonage - Chemist - Aaron - Spiffeh - GG - Ank

Concede Alisae?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Ank's gotta be town here

you're realizing this... now?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Amrun, have a glass of champagne and then join us in lynching scum Dunnstral?



-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

TSE - Boon - Hectic - Espeonage - Chemist - Aaron - Spiffeh - GG - Ank

Concede Alisae?

-S

OH NOW YOU WANT MY OPINION

no sarcastic quip

HEAL: TSE, Boon, Hectic, Espeonage, Chemist, Aaron, Spiffeh, GG, Ank

No matter how stupid this game gets I'm declaring a coalition victory

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Your claim sequence still bothers me. Can you walk me through why you claimed commuter and then changed it to ascetic?

I'm not explaining why I claimed commuter right now, but the ascetic thing was a shitpost

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Why’d you remove Makito?

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

Pine I have a special delivery for you

Spoiler: Pine

∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ My dearest Pine I would like to invite you to the honor of a day one lynch on scum Dunnstra l! Would you like to vote Maki and Kaito? ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾ ❁ ∾

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

tbh I can't believe I missed the red l on every invitation

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Pagetop stolen from me by my other head...that's a first.

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

Spoiler:

VC 1.15 Baker

Sherlock and Watson (4) - Pine, Amrun, Bitmap, AaronFrost
Maki and Kaito (4) - Sherlock and Watson, Spiffeh, gobbledygook, Flavor Leaf
TrueSoulEnergy (2) - Chemist1422, TrueSoulEnergy
Pine (1) - Maki and Kaito
Amrun (4) Ankamius, OkaPoka, Hectic, Espeonage

Not voting (2)- Frozen Angel, Reasonably Rational

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.


Titus endorses: Someone with a wagon
Alisae endorses: Maki and Kaito

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-02-17 09:30:00)

mod notes: seeking replacement for FA
♥ remember to ♥ take ♥ the maf♥iascum ♥ valentines ♥ quiz ♥

I think this VC is accurate

this Amrun wagon was a pyramid scheme
VOTE: Mako and Kaito

VOTE: mako and kaito

Lurking rest of game bye

-S

^Bussing

Hi I'm not dead

I've had a day without internet, a couple of sad days, influenza A rampant at work, and a tired day. I should have declared V/LA

What did I miss?

Gobble's being stubborn, Maki's being off from meta are the two big ones.

Titus I trust

VOTE: Maki and Kaito

l-2 btw, next vote should declare L-1

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

-There is very likely exactly one scum ascetic, so identifying that subgroup gives us a lead, just like neighborhoods

why would you make this presupposition in a game where Ali can define rules for the game and setup?

@Esp
The ascetic claims are RR and Amrun
Everyone else is not ascetic, except for gg who hasn't claimed

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Pine - Ascetic Enabler
Amrun - Ascetic
RR - Ascetic
Chemist - not ascetic
oka - not ascetic
bitmap - not ascetic
ank - not ascetic
hectic motherfucking hectic - not ascetic
spiff - not ascetic
espeonage - not ascetic
sherlock - not ascetic
maki - not ascetic
AF - not ascetic
FA - not ascetic
gobbles - has not claimed
Fl - has not claimed/ignored the ascetic stuff so assuming not ascetic until proven otherwise
TSE - implied not ascetic

If I missed any or got anything wrong let me know and I'll fix it

~W

[Sherlock and Watson]

Maki what's your read of Bitmap?

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I <3 u maki and I'm sorry if I pissed you off but I still think you're scum

Maybe it would be best if we freed you from the shackles of this game?

Hammer

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Hammer

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I will never stop loving you Maki you're one of my favorite players of all time <3

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Maybe tell Dunn not to tell me to push him?

-S