Newbie 2059 - Scummer's Baking Championship (Baked Over)

[GrandpaMo]

I will not vote ahri unless my vote is literally needed for a flip at deadline to prevent another no-flip

I think this is a mistake and that she will flip town

Dont know how to say it more clearly

i do too lol i think this flips town. and mafia is looking at this as an easy condemn. i see how t3 could be scummy.

[GrandpaMo]

We are voting ahri... when tf did this pivot happened? I knew that we pivoted some while back but I didn't really think it would actually you know be the vote. Weird. Everyone scumread wheme/irish (besides skitter nd someone else maybe) then just followed Andante's plan of voting of Andante on WHICH JV + Skitter you thought andante was scummy. JV, I do not know how you are on Andante actually because I really haven't seen a clear read on perhaps. If you don't mind me asking, what is your finalized read on T3?

I'm the one that started pushing Ahri, I'm not even on Andante at all and think them and thus T3 is town.

If you are talking about right now, then yes you would be correct. But if you are talking about the whole game (what I was talking about), then Andante initiated it.

[GrandpaMo]

We are voting ahri... when tf did this pivot happened? I knew that we pivoted some while back but I didn't really think it would actually you know be the vote. Weird. Everyone scumread wheme/irish (besides skitter nd someone else maybe) then just followed Andante's plan of voting of Andante on WHICH JV + Skitter you thought andante was scummy. JV, I do not know how you are on Andante actually because I really haven't seen a clear read on perhaps. If you don't mind me asking, what is your finalized read on T3?

I'm the one that started pushing Ahri, I'm not even on Andante at all and think them and thus T3 is town.

Honestly this is the pairs I have gotten so far...

JV + T3
Ahri + Skitter
Wheme + Irish

Fizz | Town
Me | Town

[GrandpaMo]

Wait is wheme HoG replacement and Irish is andante correct? and T3 is who again?

[GrandpaMo]

Living Player Roster

Andante
GrandpaMo
Fizz Raab
Hand of Glory
Ahri
skitter30 (SE)
PookyTheMagicalBear (SE)
GeorgeBailey (SE)
JacksonVirgo (SE)

Eliminated Players

cabd is it possible to update this with the replacements? like who replaced who?

I think george -> wheme
hog -> irish
andante -> t3

ok thank you, i get confused with t3 and irish. and i forgot all about george rip

[GrandpaMo]

i mean lets say he doesn't know that and he's just a newb who doesn't know how to handle pressure / vote.

Does this type of reaction come more from newb scum or newb town?

I'd think it's more likely from newb town who is like super exasperated and truly doesn't think there's any good reason for why you would vote him.

whereas newb scum might actually like try to figure out how you figured out it was them? Since there is an underlying sense in newb scum that they know you are right.

@pooky you said this r.e. andante but like i really disagree and find this very unsatisfying

skitter i think you might have to trust pooky on this lol

[GrandpaMo]

*reading my iso*
*every single post fixated on Andante*

anyways I'm 90% sure Andante is flipping red here, given this main reason:

he's not scumhunting, but rather looking for the "easiest" or "best" elimination. what i mean by that is that he is prodding to see if people will vote me for having no content, he's voting jackson bc he's in a hotspot, and constantly asking "hm can i push this person?"

thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

back to lurking.

Maybe your right Ahri

I think your town anyways so idk

ah fuck there is scum between andante and ahri right? i feel like there is this division. ppl who townread andante and townread ahri lol

[GrandpaMo]

lmaooo ready for my unpopular take which I'm pretty certain on. Wheme is maf, like, sure get me today, get Wheme tomorrow and final is in skitter/Jackson. I'm not saying this just cause like "omg they're voting me" no it's like, a pretty dead certain read. Wheme feels identical to 2057, and skitter is very different.

I THINK my town game and scum game are kind of similar but who knows I can't really self meta.
REGARDLESS of that I just replaced in and haev like 3 posts and im not caught up. do you expect to know how I have been playing this game?

if you haven't been caught up then I want you to. You shouldn't already be making finalized reads and be voting someone (unless your rxn testing / pressuring) that early especially when you said your self you haven't gotten caught up yet. I still want to hear about how you feel about the JV/ Gpa Interaction. As well as skitter/pooky. Also HoG as well. And most importantly, the spot you are in. Think of it as a 3rd perspective . I do NOT like how you just jumped in to the wagon of Andante that quick especially considering you didn't focus on to anyone other than andante. Just felt like you

tried

to find a way to sus andante and not actually look over. Give me your full reads on everyone else too bud. And take your time with them too, we still have a couple of days I believe.

That's why I haven't voted yet.

I thikn the JV push was weird. I don't really scumread you. It felt like a dumb 1v1 to me.

lmaooo ready for my unpopular take which I'm pretty certain on. Wheme is maf, like, sure get me today, get Wheme tomorrow and final is in skitter/Jackson. I'm not saying this just cause like "omg they're voting me" no it's like, a pretty dead certain read. Wheme feels identical to 2057, and skitter is very different.

I THINK my town game and scum game are kind of similar but who knows I can't really self meta.
REGARDLESS of that I just replaced in and haev like 3 posts and im not caught up. do you expect to know how I have been playing this game?

also this is why i think wheme is sus | more scumquotes for u

[GrandpaMo]

in post 532, they only referenced me and jv when i talked about more interactions. they still have not answered that question. in post 528, the "I THINK my town game and scum game are kind of similar but who knows I can't really self meta." just seemed like a way to get overly defensive to what andante said on how they were similar to 2057.

[GrandpaMo]

ok im changing my voting thing we vote ahri today. since everyone already is

ahri >>> t3 >>> wheme >>> irish.

ok i think we win; this is better and have gave me better insight.

if ahri flips scum, t3 is most likely town.
if ahri flips town, t3 is most likely scum.

[GrandpaMo]

ok ok sinze fizz outted themselves that changed my gamesolve. we vote ahri today ( since also everyone for sum reason is voting them)

[GrandpaMo]

im really assuming in my gamesolve that jv and skitter is town lol and im not like fucking getting pocketed

[GrandpaMo]

ok ok sinze fizz outted themselves that changed my gamesolve. we vote ahri today ( since also everyone for sum reason is voting them)

Why is this a good reason to vote her ?

its either that or irish

[GrandpaMo]

ok ok sinze fizz outted themselves that changed my gamesolve. we vote ahri today ( since also everyone for sum reason is voting them)

Why is this a good reason to vote her ?

its either that or irish

since everyone pivoted off wheme for some reason

[GrandpaMo]

ok im changing my voting thing we vote ahri today. since everyone already is

ahri >>> t3 >>> wheme >>> irish.

ok i think we win; this is better and have gave me better insight.

if ahri flips scum, t3 is most likely town.
if ahri flips town, t3 is most likely scum.

Can you read the reason why ahri is the wagon or are you going to just ignore that fuck sake

"For some reason" is something you keep saying yet not respond to my posts telling you to read the fucking post saying why the pivot happened and then you keep acting ignorant.

I am starting to not like Grandpa again fwiw

Have you not read anything I have said? Ahri is being pushed by you and T3 due to the nature of the lack of contribution and a few scumquote. Specifically from you, you thought they scumslipped. I will say this again for like the fifth time now, I do not scum read them as much as my initial scumread, Wheme. However, if everyone is requiring a hammer and not pivoting, I will change my vote onto Ahri. Through MY analysis (in post 1231 and other one) on Ahri. I feel as thought if Ahri flips scum, then T3 is most likley town and vice versa; as what I said in post 1234.

Also look in post 1216. This is where I bring my analysis onto wheme.

In post 1217, I now just realize we are actually going to vote Ahri.

And then in post 1219, I give my affirmative status that I was willing to vote Ahri. And I gave a logical reason for it.

The only reason it has to be bwed at this point is because I do not want to get a day 2 NL again.

You claim that you started the push, when you did not originally. It was Andante and I clarified that in post 1223.

Then I started ISO'ing people including Wheme, Andante, Pooky, and Ahri. As you can see one of my ISO read on Post 1231, 1232, 1233.

In post 1234, I realize NOW I have to actually probably change my vote onto Ahri since no one will budge on others.

[GrandpaMo]

I will hammer. Does anyone have anything else to say?

[GrandpaMo]

smh. skitter i rlly hope ur right

VOTE: Ahri

[GrandpaMo]

Analysis.

After Ahri flipping scum, this reveals very much viable info. This should make T3 (Andante) town here for this specific reason. Towards the beginning-mid game everyone had this push against Andante and was almost voted out. Do you bus your Mafia role cop there? I doubt it. Especially that early day one. Then we come out to this random pivot and T3 on which Andante also initially suspected of Ahri being scum and now T3 continued that legacy and pushed for it and flipped BM. This is what I think is what makes T3 most likely town here.

Now there are three things on how to pair this kill up.

First:

This could have been an elaborative bus from only one person assuming T3 is town.

JV is the only person who is responsible for a bus to happen here. Look at how JV starts backing down from their initial scumreads and pushes out Ahri and points out a scum slip deciding to fully push Ahri towards the end day. Then, look at how JV also says “I am not starting to like Grandpa again” and that could be possibly a frame onto the second day to bring a mislynch because JV knows that T3 paired me and Ahri up together coming into the game.

Second:

This could NOT have been a bus but an actual mafia defense from skitter.

Skitter wanted to get a condemn on Irish and T3. And was defending the fact that Ahri was a bad kill. This is the most blatant type of mafia play which is to openly defend your mafia partner. Personally, I do not think skitter would have just openly defended their mafia partner there. But that’s all WIFOM. Skitter is probably experienced enough to set that up in a way where people will conclude that he is town because they wouldn’t just defend their partner there, but who knows.

Third:

Mafia is just between Irish and Wheme.

I think this is also very likely as Irish have given no contribution, which is kinda hard since there is no meta from them but that could just be their original scum play where they go into lack of contribution. Wheme was my original scumread just because of inconsistent quotes that I have brought an analytic read on to previous posts in response to skitter. Wheme also sussed Irish and Irish gave very bad reactions but that could just have been newbie play. Also to reiterate Irish ended up voting Wheme as an OMGUS.

So now my voting gamesolve that has so far 100% accuracy B)
Ahri >>> T3 >>> Wheme >>> Irish

Ahri flipped scum. T3 is town. We vote Wheme today and probably win.

[GrandpaMo]

Hai~ (｡･ω･)ﾉﾞ

I've only really skimmed people off the flip, apologies for being lazy but I figured catching up on everything right away wouldn't be necessary. What I got off the flip was JV and T3 are hard town, and skitter and wheme look the scummiest.

LOL. Ah yes sheep me irish! I really want to wheme here.

[GrandpaMo]

Hai~ (｡･ω･)ﾉﾞ

I've only really skimmed people off the flip, apologies for being lazy but I figured catching up on everything right away wouldn't be necessary. What I got off the flip was JV and T3 are hard town, and skitter and wheme look the scummiest.

LOL. Ah yes sheep me irish! I really want to wheme here.

Also I think that the voting pattern may change depending on how you act. But I think we still go Wheme here and I am sure we win. Unless it was a bus from JV or hard obvious WIFOM defense from skitter. Them fucking godly plays. Or you could just be mafia. Ah whatever I explained it in my analysis.

[GrandpaMo]

anyways bad elims for today are jackson / HoG / the afk / skitter

mainly because given jackson / hog's playstyle it's so easy to mess up and openclaim mafia
and the afk / skitter haven't really done anything and are capable of a lot more

Ok this supports that conclusion

Hog (now catboi)
Afk (now wheme)

These arent good reasons to clear these people

hog isnt catboi..? oh wait is hog, irish who is now catboi?

[GrandpaMo]

Ayee first time playing forum mafia. By the way, don't mnd my PFP, it will get changed ASAP!

But... the future refused to change.

My current reads are Fizz as town; 0-1 scum between skitter/pooky; you've been anti-town; rest unclear.

If skitter is scum, you're looking much more like a misguided townie to me, but you've still been having anti-town effects in my view. You told Fizz "you're sheep, not the shepherd" -- but I think you're not picking up on town signals that, if you're town, you're probably not going to be "the shepherd" right now, either, act as though you could be, and should take it back a notch. Some of these could (IMO: almost surely will) be scum influencing you, but there's been too many for them all to be scum.

If it's pooky or neither that's scum, I don't give you good odds of a town read from me.

@Andante

I fell so far behind, and I'm too tired to catch up right now, Hand's post at 147, I was trying to process it, but Hand's posts are just written in a way they take a lot out of me to try and comprehend what they're saying, I'll probably just end up ISOing Hand later

I can't read any of Hand's posts, they're written in this analytical way, makes them so hard to read.

I genuinely can't read Hand, the posts are way too analytical, not really about interactions?? idk, Hand is a later read

You appear to judge writing styles notably often. Jackson and Fizz for their intros (#4 in your iso), Ahri generally, and now me. I was going to let it slide initially, when you were being more lenient, but you can't declare you're "can't read any" of someone's posts as town -- unless you already think it's not worth the effort, and that amounts to you calling quite strongly anti-town on me, even if AI. Which I obviously don't like. It's not the first time someone has said something like this about me, I assure you.

Or would you want me to treat you likewise -- I find your posts hard to read, in turn.

I'll give you something which I believe could convince you that I do pay attention to people's reads and interactions:

VOTE: skitter30

i actually like this from hog honestly lol.

[GrandpaMo]

but hog's playstyle is weird. literally votes a new person every few seconds. says your scum skitters and votes u then pivots votes alongside wit u agreeing wit u that andante is scum

[GrandpaMo]

WAIT DID HOG SCUMSLIP LLMFAOOFO

[GrandpaMo]

@skitter please fucking read this part.

""Spewing lies."
It was my first online mafia game. I've lurked elsewhere (probably also not understanding much), and I've played irl (years before), and I've inhaled the wiki far too much and believed in it far too much -- yeah.
I drew scum, was anxious to be "proactive", and always tell my partner all my thoughts to avoid cornering them into an impossible situation by miscoordination. Went well. I realize I gave too many "instructions" to Ahri, all that micromanagement. They weren't meant as commands, they really just were what I thought.

I did try to read the thread and make sense of it. Then you all mock that I don't know where to begin engaging if the entire thread is always "scum reading" what I'm doing.
"

[GrandpaMo]

unless im not reading in context. giv me a sec i need to really understand the iso here...

[GrandpaMo]

The "I fucking hate this game" line is outdated btw, it was when I was still assuming this to be an authentic game, but with a meta I hadn't caught up on until half the town had covertly aligned against me. I think I love this game and I think you've all loved it too, or you would have stopped me earlier. Right? Just the facts and logic.

Since I am the only scum, you were all town, and you were

all

amazing. Even if that might be "brownie points" (hey, it's the wiki that says to have your scumbuddy's back). I'll have more to say a bit later. If you want.

VOTE: Ahri

Yeah, I realize more yet now.

The "catgirl vs. eurosnob" idea was just idiotic. It was a shit idea to suggest it, no less so as "theatre". Nothing else to say there. I didn't mean it as "emotional~ random dumb! vs. analytical", as you presented it. Or I would probably have noticed all of you using it sooner.

I shouldn't have said anything about the character of Ahri, ever, not knowing her.

If I called Ahri a "magical [!] 8-ball" on thread, that was just mafia misdirection and not my actual judgment of Ahri.
If I called her a "deep-space oracle" or "vig shot D1" backstage, it was meant as "energy", because I'd read that you should boost your scumbuddy, not as her being "random" at all. I've said here that I didn't think she was being random.

But again -- I shouldn't have said shit about someone I don't know. Who hates me now. Rightly.

"Spewing lies."
It

was

my first online mafia game. I've lurked elsewhere (probably also not understanding much), and I've played irl (years before), and I've inhaled the wiki far too much and believed in it far too much -- yeah.
I drew scum, was anxious to be "proactive", and always tell my partner all my thoughts to avoid cornering them into an impossible situation by miscoordination. Went well. I realize I gave too many "instructions" to Ahri, all that micromanagement. They weren't meant as commands, they really just were what I thought.

I did try to read the thread and make sense of it. Then you all mock that I don't know where to begin engaging if the entire thread is always "scum reading" what I'm doing.

"Being aggressive."
You were setting me up for that by being intentionally stupid in two different ways. There's also parts where I called the sudden counterstrategies or scum pair calls strikingly smart.

@skitter

"What do you think of Andante?"
On the private thread? Astonishing scumdar, not good at selling it, and play early on that I called newbish or terrible while being a newb myself. Yeah, that's arrogant, though if you've seen people give these tells, it happens. You all made a point of using intentionally terrible scum tells.

On this thread? I thought that their intentionally obfuscating posts were annoying me, also irl for saying that their style is annoying me. Sure, I get that Ahri thinks the same about me, but I never called

her

style annoying. It is precisely nothing like what Andante used. Ahri used her own style throughout the thread as I thought she would, not this "like whatever idk how it's even, i'll iso them tonight" -- that's precisely why I

liked

(what I thought was) Ahri's style.

I'm sorry, all of you.

...but I also said that Andante "was kicking off the catgirl vs. eurosnob discussion", so maybe I'm actually more idiotic and biased than I'd thought.

I don't think I think women are dumber than men. Or less analytical. Or more emotional.

And the style on the private thread is different because I'm not really "analytical". I was trying to play it like that. But yeah. Very weak analysis as shown.

Town Ahri could have D1 vig shot me.

I've heard of setups where you aren't always the role that you think you've been assigned. Or nobody knows how many mafia there are.

I wasn't lying when I said it was my first game of mafia online. There are mafia variants maybe that can be played on a rainy Sunday afternoon. 3-20 min. I've been in some of these, I think, they're always full of newbies though.

No way is Ahri an alt account, but that's neither here nor there.

I can't believe how it wasn't reasonable for me to read the entirety of Newb2057 when I heard of it, or remember Ahri's history better. I am sorry for that as well. It's what, 45 pages in total? Something around those lines.

No ofc I'm joking.

ahri is my alt shitpost account. I've been had.

im not voting anyone. i explained my reads.

im pushing more of the jv and pooky narrative today and can vote skitter if i want to. there is still like multiple days left as pooky said and i want to optimize my time lmao

I mean, I still don't get it

VOTE: Hand of Glory

im so fucking confused.

[GrandpaMo]

yeah that's what i'm getting at

what is the 'private' thread. try to figure out what he's responding to because he's quoting things that literally didn't happen in this thread
and he's talking to/with ahri, who we know was in a private thread (namely, the scum pt)

is there scum day chat?

[GrandpaMo]

yes, and unless i'm misreading this horribly, it looks like he's responding to things ahri said in the scum pt/daychat here

exactly. so if there is scum day chat.. he probably messed up. and voted himself saying how "he doesn't get it" because no one caught his slip....

but why would he mention other prods in that read?

[GrandpaMo]

Hence why he left the game ^

[GrandpaMo]

... did i like miss the whole convo that you're talking abt?

Hog maybe i'm missing something super obvious but idk what you're talking abt

@andante i will try to respond shortly

see what i said at the time

yea i saw... they didnt respond to anything

[GrandpaMo]

No, it's fine, it's a really weird coincidence but i understand why you have to do it

I'm not going to leave a legacy readlist, I've barely read the game. Just everyone do your homework and reread carefully tomorrow. Good luck~

hey so this quote i like and dont like.

ur playing lamist compared to ur gamesolvy enterence u did newbie 2047... i expected a better reaction.

but also this could just be ur geninue reaction. waiting to hear more from you.

[GrandpaMo]

No, it's fine, it's a really weird coincidence but i understand why you have to do it

I'm not going to leave a legacy readlist, I've barely read the game. Just everyone do your homework and reread carefully tomorrow. Good luck~

hey so this quote i like and dont like.

ur playing lamist compared to ur gamesolvy enterence u did newbie 2047... i expected a better reaction.

but also this could just be ur geninue reaction. waiting to hear more from you.

[GrandpaMo]

No, uh, yeah, that looks like a straight up confession

just concede then smh.

[GrandpaMo]

No, it's fine, it's a really weird coincidence but i understand why you have to do it

I'm not going to leave a legacy readlist, I've barely read the game. Just everyone do your homework and reread carefully tomorrow. Good luck~

hey so this quote i like and dont like.

ur playing lamist compared to ur gamesolvy enterence u did newbie 2047... i expected a better reaction.

but also this could just be ur geninue reaction. waiting to hear more from you.

Those are vastly different circumstances, I started in that game from the start, here I replaced in, barely skimmed, and found myself under suspicion because of something entirely outside my control! Of course I'm not going to be acting the same way!

No, uh, yeah, that looks like a straight up confession

just concede then smh.

Not happening

ehh i disagree. you haven't gave any thoughts. idk if im like pushing this. but can you give me your reads so far? even irish gave reads lol

and also if you admitted it was a confession from whose its ur spot... then you are mafia. just concede ur getting voted out either way m8

[GrandpaMo]

fwiw if you're actually scum the game should probably have been rerolled? idk
i definitely noted it and called it out to cabd at the time, but kinda forgot abt it until like two hours ago when i saw that hog/wheme were viable ahri partners

i think we still vote wheme here.

[GrandpaMo]

ehh i disagree. you haven't gave any thoughts. idk if im like pushing this. but can you give me your reads so far? even irish gave reads lol

and also if you admitted it was a confession from whose its ur spot... then you are mafia. just concede ur getting voted out either way m8

I'm no though >_>

sorry for saying pointless stuff, I'll post reads, just give me some time

okay. i was just pressuring you. you had a null reaction imo. dont know how to feel about it.

@skitter what do you think?

Honestly I expected you to say you did your reads because literally your first post was you saying who was the scummiest...

[GrandpaMo]

is wheme here btw?

[GrandpaMo]

ok so im actually town leaning catboi... for this... idk if ur expierenced enough to omit info that u know that can put u on scumlist. but u having that info.. makes it seem like they didnt know fizz was a pr claim. i would probably need to ctril f ahri's name and see if ahri was brought up next to fizz's claim commentary

[GrandpaMo]

how did he demonstrate he doesn't know that fizz was a pr?

by not focussing on fizz's death that much. idk they didnt say anything related to that and they also were focussing on ctrl f

ok let me think

damn this is actually hard because my analysis is right

i want to hear from jv asap

[GrandpaMo]

smh. skitter i rlly hope ur right

VOTE: Ahri

Can you please tell me what you meant here? It's possible this is a Freudian slip.

- JV

Wtf

[GrandpaMo]

smh. skitter i rlly hope ur right

VOTE: Ahri

Can you please tell me what you meant here? It's possible this is a Freudian slip.

- JV

Wtf is that. Sigmund Frued, the use of unconcious thought thinking and behavior wise? What does that have to do with anything. I just hoped skitter was right because me and skitter both didn't want Ahri out initially. And skitter continued to defend Ahri but I decided there was a reason to switch.

Now answer my other questions I have proposed. Pleasse.

[GrandpaMo]

You said you hoped Skitter was right. Why would you hope that while hammering

oh my thing submitted by accident

[GrandpaMo]

Can someone point out the interactions that seem like it's talking about the scum PT? My eyes are melting reading that and I can't pinpoint anything that's specifically "scummy", but I also not saying that there isn't I just can't see things because I am finding it hard to read it.

look at what i said

[GrandpaMo]

Can someone point out the interactions that seem like it's talking about the scum PT? My eyes are melting reading that and I can't pinpoint anything that's specifically "scummy", but I also not saying that there isn't I just can't see things because I am finding it hard to read it.

look at what i said

[GrandpaMo]

@skitter please fucking read this part.

""Spewing lies."
It was my first online mafia game. I've lurked elsewhere (probably also not understanding much), and I've played irl (years before), and I've inhaled the wiki far too much and believed in it far too much -- yeah.
I drew scum, was anxious to be "proactive", and always tell my partner all my thoughts to avoid cornering them into an impossible situation by miscoordination. Went well. I realize I gave too many "instructions" to Ahri, all that micromanagement. They weren't meant as commands, they really just were what I thought.

I did try to read the thread and make sense of it. Then you all mock that I don't know where to begin engaging if the entire thread is always "scum reading" what I'm doing.
"

this is it i think @jv

[GrandpaMo]

I am actually so confused. I can see why it can be seen as a scum-slip but like... it's inside of a normal post

thats what i said lol . and i was basically speaking bout me wanting to hear about u regarding my analysis i made

[GrandpaMo]

catboi / irish dancer / Hand of Glory

At face-value I feel HoG's posts were strange, but not straight indicative of them being scum. However catboi's response leans towards them being >rand scum just from what's happened. I'll give a deeper analysis when I have time, and by that I mean I am going to read their posts today and make a new analysis as this is based off memory.

skitter30

I am fairly confident that skitter isn't scum here, as if they were, pushing Ahri there would have given them a massive boost but they actively chose not to.

GrandpaMo

I would have said the same reasonings as skitter30, but that hammer post doesn't sit well with me, but I also don't think it's a deal-breaker for me to death-tunnel again.

T3 / Andante

I already thought Andante was fairly cleared from how they were acting, and also how Ahri posted about them in the early-game. This is solely from Andante though, and T3 has kinda yeeted out of my memory so I'll likely have to read back there.

Whemestar / GeorgeBailey

I feel this would be scum if catboi isn't but I also feel like this was heavily pushed yesterday just for being a counter-wagon. If memory serves me right of course, which it probably isn't.


So that makes me think scum is likely in catboi > Whemestar >>>>>> Gramps

ok cool. same reads

[GrandpaMo]

jv could have still bussed there... @jv im still looking at ur reaction

[GrandpaMo]

I think we also have to consider that the Tracker died. And if Catboi read that much in order to kill them

again fucking sheeping so much omg (well to me it looks like ur sheeping cuz i literally said the same thing lmfaooo)

and u scumread me???

pls read what i said

[GrandpaMo]

I am confused with the grandpa townreads.

I am also confused with the me scumreads but whatever

i think im the only one who scumreads you with a initial reason? which i explained last day. everyone else scumreads you becuase of poe i believe

[GrandpaMo]

jv could have still bussed there... @jv im still looking at ur reaction

Except it's proven I didn't.

If I was scum with Ahri, who would have done the kill?
And I was cleared by the Tracker as to not have done the kill.

It's not that hard.

oh... i forgot that shit interaction happened yesterday

[GrandpaMo]

ok im probably just over thinking then

[GrandpaMo]

if ur town then its just wheme, irish, skitter; poe.

from how the day went so far i think we vote irish > wheme > skitter

@jv you should know that skitter is expierenced to wifom the shit out of that lol

[GrandpaMo]

I think we also have to consider that the Tracker died. And if Catboi read that much in order to kill them

again fucking sheeping so much omg (well to me it looks like ur sheeping cuz i literally said the same thing lmfaooo)

and u scumread me???

pls read what i said

I'm not sheeping as I didn't know you said these things.

ik u probably had that consensus hence why i said what i said in ur parenthesis

[GrandpaMo]

btw how many mls do we have?

[GrandpaMo]

btw how many mls do we have?

if there are six of us... we mc today its 5:1 >>> 4:1 >>> then mc again 3:1 >>> 2:1.

We have 2 mcs until F3. If that's the case. I think we win. LOL. Unless somehow T3 is mafia, then they win ATP.

But from my POV I think the game is solved. My voting patten would have gamesolved the game from day 1 if JV and T3 are town.

[GrandpaMo]

@jv you should know that skitter is expierenced to wifom the shit out of that lol

Because they wouldn't risk that 9/10 times.

that's so wifom tho! Think about it. Why would they instantly change into a pivot other than "hammering" just because of a NL day 1. Fucking skitter joined in the 2000's I think she is good m8

[GrandpaMo]

D1 -> 7v2
D2 -> 6v2
D3 -> 5v1

That's where we are.

2v1 tomorrow if we ML.
That's LyLo.

what??

[GrandpaMo]

Oh ahaha nice we are the same brain

are you saying we are in lylo by tmr??

[GrandpaMo]

D1 -> 7v2
D2 -> 6v2
D3 -> 5v1

That's where we are.

2v1 tomorrow if we ML.
That's LyLo.

what??

It's Lylo tomorrow if we elim town.

Wait I did my math wrong; I included scum in town ratio.


This day -> 5v1
Tomorrow -> 3v1

NL Tmr then its

Third day ->2v1.

One Miscondemn; you are right.

[GrandpaMo]

Gramps can you answer who would be easier to distinguish between out of the following pairs.

Skitter / Wheme
Wheme / Catboi
Catboi / Skitter

As in what?

[GrandpaMo]

By that I mean, if one scum was in there. How confident are you in solving between them

LOL Just asked that. I think Wheme / Catboi is def the easiest.

Once Wheme flips town >>> Catboi is outted scum.

Once Catboi flips town >>> Wheme is outted scum imo.

Skitter is just one of those on the sidelines ready that has to get very had analysis; but you don't want to overthink and that is really what I am tryin to do here.

[GrandpaMo]

If skitter is a worry in LyLo we can always PL them today, leaving Wheme/Catboi as the final PoE in LyLo after a NL.

Oh you meant like distinguish? Hm.. That's a hard question but I am debating between Wheme / Catboi and Wheme / Skitter just because catboi has brought no info to the game so far. And its predecessor hasn't either. But definitely Wheme/Catboi can easily be deciphered after a MC and that can be debated into mylo. An Irish elim today does sound good because it will lead into Wheme / Skitter and they both have contributed. But thinking of personal bias, I still want Wheme to be out because of my initial scumread.

[GrandpaMo]

Also there's the fact that catboi thinks its a confession: makes me think he has reason to believe its true, namely:
- he actually is scum
- with the deceased ahri
- and that he saw said fight between ahri/hog in the scum pt

but why would catboi risk that shit?

[GrandpaMo]

Also there's the fact that catboi thinks its a confession: makes me think he has reason to believe its true, namely:
- he actually is scum
- with the deceased ahri
- and that he saw said fight between ahri/hog in the scum pt

but why would catboi risk that shit?

[GrandpaMo]

Anyway, I'm still reading, I'll try to get full reads out for you all tomorrow.

just give up m8. its ok town wins gg.

[GrandpaMo]

dont waste ur time to give reads when we already figured ur scum lol

[GrandpaMo]

by someone who threw for u lol

[GrandpaMo]

Anyway, I'm still reading, I'll try to get full reads out for you all tomorrow.

just give up m8. its ok town wins gg.

Lol, I would if I were. Can't concede as town, though. Sorry~

I think you should basically always elim me today but I want to read and find the last mafia so you know who to vote tomorrow

damn catboi~!

ok i was just pressuring you more. honestly i think wheme is a better elim than you.

[GrandpaMo]

well actually wouldnt optimal play be like elim skitter today and get u out tmr if sktiter flips town?

[GrandpaMo]

I think you should basically always elim me today but I want to read and find the last mafia so you know who to vote tomorrow

i would appreciate that in case i'm super super super wrong

so catboi flips town then its up to me / wheme / t3?

[GrandpaMo]

I think you should basically always elim me today but I want to read and find the last mafia so you know who to vote tomorrow

i would appreciate that in case i'm super super super wrong

so catboi flips town then its up to me / wheme / t3?

what benefit is that.. honestly a skitter / wheme kill here is way better lol

[GrandpaMo]

I think you should basically always elim me today but I want to read and find the last mafia so you know who to vote tomorrow

i would appreciate that in case i'm super super super wrong

so catboi flips town then its up to me / wheme / t3?

if catboi's town jv dies it's probably me/you/wheme/t3 f4 tomorrow, yes
we can always noflip get another kill and force a f3 if we want in that universe

this game would have def take a turnaround holy shit.

it went like from dull to interesting... t3 in f3 is scary. but i think i already know how the f3 will look like if catboi flips town honestly. and its gonna be a real scary one .. sheesh.

thank u for making my first game interesting lol

[GrandpaMo]

i think that hog scumslipped and would vastly prefer him today

i mean yea . i rlly do wanna get them just for that. but what are the chances because like i thought catboi had a towny reaction and so thats why im having doubts and that u could actually be mafia just pinning that shit down.

honestly i could just be overthinking and we could just win the game rn if catboi flips mafia.

i do wanna hear from our confirmed, jv and their thoughts on this before i want to hammer

[GrandpaMo]

LOL so it was a scumslip. good catch skitter. thank you cabd for hosting.

Honestly I am so curious now.

Everyone played well, GGs to everyone.

[GrandpaMo]

yea hog carried and had so much potential honestly. they were being collectively townread but just gave up