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Kitty-Enchant-STD-Andre-Artemiana
Smth like that

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kitty vote for T3

why do you telling him that???

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u never answered my question if kitty is town what would u do

i would attack smb who was sure kitty was townie because it is absolutely not obvious but smb knew it and was going to get townie points for that
but of course now i won't do that because i've answered your so important question

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VOTE: cabd

i expect him to talk

and he deserves to be eliminated

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is this all you've got? any other thoughts?

is Artemiana (Mara) very active player when she is a townie?

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i can imagine this kind of player with ease, especially among girls
very talkative when she is townie
very lurking when she is a scum
and this dancing aroung the password really bad in this context

btw smb was defending her for that that it is definitely townie thing. i should remember who. marky mark and someone else

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Artemiana has requested replacement.

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VOTE: Artemiana

Artemiana has requested replacement.

oh, thats interesting

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Cabd, lets go make a huge train here

VOTE: Artemiana

And if there are so many doubts about Kitty/Etine/Enchant/Cabd/T3 and others, lets hang a player who play less than the others, so even if she is a town we lose nothing important, it won't be hard(hurt)

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Artemiana

Have some minor towncred tho because this feels like uninformed town and not a scum push

artemania is my new townread.

I don't agree with every read, or usually even most, that my townreads have.
Like your Arte push in particular seems very misrepresentative,

She didn't say anything about Mark earlier because she didn't have access to her account; that's not something that gets lied about. The reason she didn't believe Mark was a miller is she thought miller was non-normal; it is a reach to contrast that with silence about Etine's claim.

And by "disagree with your general approach" I was more so getting at I disagree with the play style of rushing to put people at 8-10 votes.

I guess nothing more?

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She didn't say anything about Mark earlier because she didn't have access to her account; that's not something that gets lied about.

She didn't say anything about Mark earlier because she didn't have access to her account; that's not something that gets lied about.

She didn't say anything about Mark earlier because she didn't have access to her account; that's not something that gets lied about.

ugh (2)
i knocked against this sentance again
wtf man?
how can you be sure about that?
why are you defending her this strange way?
just look at her ISO

firstly she came Apr 24, 2021 in #526 "I forgot my account password guys... How bout we pretend I'm a rep in and tell me what's happened so far?"
than she came Apr 25, 2021 in #549
but before that she posted from other account - in #548

OK, I'm reading through and like

Marky is scum.

And the Mark's vote to Kitty was between her "forgot the password" and "Marky is scum".
So you defense tactic is just wrong in facts.
And also seems very unnatural to defense a player like you definitely know what she was doing and thinking in real life.

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*sentence

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Agree That Enchant/Kitty appear scum/scum.

VOTE: samantha97

samantha was against kitty (hard enough). but u consider she can be a scum... with kitty? i don't like it

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too much talking from me
i will stay on artemiana. maybe on enchant.
i have other duties for next days, so since now i'll be here rarely, but i will read it everything
i need info from the corpse to move further

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I bet, that T3 is town. It is rather difficult to figure out and this is a risky bet. I read his ISO and the important moments with him. Many times, again and again, there is not so much text.
Or he is too good mafia. Too good for the first elim, i definitely against that. At least I want to play with him more time, to see what he will say after the night, if he will be alive.

That claim... This is another question. There is a possibility that it is true: unchanged willing to elim Kitty... even talking about bp - is to avoid nk maybe, if he is a cop... But like in situation with Etine - I'm not sure about this. I can think, that it can be fake, but not necessary scummy fake... This can be complicated, especially after few other claims.
All claims in this game were weird, but Kitty has the scummiest in my opinion.

So it is better to attack the team of Kitty instead of anything else (if not Kitty).

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Yeah, I understand t3 much, our thoughts were the same in a couple of times. I can understand his logics in moments. Im ready to protect him at least on the firtst day. He should be a town. What kind of town - this is still the question.
And if he is a scum he doesnt try to pocket me much, because after tr in the beginning i became somewhere about null for him for some time...
Enchant is much worse in his scumreading anybody, no useful info from there. Kitty too.
And we have Artemiana like almost neutral option for the first the most difficult day

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bp-"traitor" changes his claim to a cop
is this not too dangerous for the traitor? to bite the bullet at himself, not in some townie...

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maybe i dont fully understand your local mechanics of traitor, remembering this from other forums

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I dont think that t3 didnt understand before claiming that there is almost no hope to elim kitty at that moment, othervise this is some too unexperienced thinking, t3 doesnt look so unexperienced

Cant understand why are you repeatin about wagon going nowhere in Arte. Almost nobody votes there. A wagon. Nowhere. Sounds beauty, but nonsense. Arte has some serious problems throughout the game

Im going sleep too

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Different situations, Kerset
And the level of danger
And about different roles - a cop and a traitor, but maybe there is some sense if t3 is just a mafia tho

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Kerset, so Kitty is true cop for you?

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If you was a cop would you instantly contrclaimed against mafia Kitty? Think about it. Before the first night!

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I hope i didnt mistake, choosing the scummiest cop. Well, we can just look at night kill and/or checks and everything will become more clear.
I go sleeping.

Cops, please dont waste checks on the most active towniest players, who also can be killed. And it is better to gather all opinions of players to decide where to check

If the cop exists at all)

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Is it common here to make fake claims, playing for townies?

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Kitty has very bad reading of the game from the very beginning. I dont believe in such a cop. Never.

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Hi, would anyone like to help me catch up?

Are you happy with Artemiana's legacy?
Why do you want a replacement?
Kitty and then T3 claimed cops. Read them and tell who of them you believe more? Better before the night.
And is better to elim smb else today. Agree?
Do you know smb well enough to understand their side rather fast?
Please tell us what do you think about Mark asap before the night, because Artemiana was scumreading him much.

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*to take a replacement

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Are you single?

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One good police officer is voting Enchant. Who asked coos to check the only one guy who Enchant was townreading.
Other good cop is voting Cabd. Who did nothing useful , didnt vote even once and keep silence or trashing all the game.
Do you have any thoughts who of them deserves eliminstion more?

Have you read already anything at all? Maybe before replacement

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what is acab?

All cops are bastards

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Ok, one more question for now. Are you talking about the last Mark's posts, the first ones or all of them?

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Kitty, usually u are so concerned about overreaction, but your cop's reaction to other cop's claim is definitely not enough... Almost no reaction at all. How is it possible?

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Honestly, i dont know much common rules and statistics of appearing two cops in one game, but if there is very big chance of 1 scum in kitty-t3, then kitty's reaction on t3 is so so bad... He likes reading wiki and played here more games than me, so he should know this possibility even better than me. But smth tells me that they are not 2 true cops, that will be weird and so unbelievable accident

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I'd vote out both cops to be honest.

I know the correct play is to leave them both alive for a round in a game this large but... idk, I don't care if they both die.

Is there any way to elim them both in one time today?) Maybe some rule in mechanics

And i agree that at least 1 scum here

But i can understand the necessity to wait for checks and think about it more after night kill.

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Anastasia, who is a scum? Find at least one, maybe a range of scummies. Before that your searching for townies is good, but it can be interpetated now as trying to save yourself making as much allies as possible.
You dont want to elim kitty and t3, so you have alternates instead of you for elimination: Cabd and Enchant. Of course you can propose someone else

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Oh, you wrote it before my post, okay

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What does everyone think?

I wont be crying if he dies.
There were some strange moments about him...

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Thats funny that the most strange moment was his defending of you,Artemiana. And now you think he is a scum. Interesting.

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Do you know ND from other games?

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You

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I used to say in my previous game
VOTE: NOTE: I don't know how popular here to destroy your partners from the very beginning, so I proceed on the assumption that this is not so common phenomenon everywhere, especially in Newbie games.

Maybe it is not so applicable here, but I feel that first impressions of defending between partners can be reliable. I think nobody wants to lose a scum partner on the first day. They xan do tgat, but tgey dont want it and must try smth else.

So I found Artemiana was defending Kitty (attacking Mark immediately after his vote for Kitty; attacking me and... attacking claimed Etine lol), then she was defending Andre against me with strange confidence, then strange defending of Artemiana from the side of NDMath... Somewhere here is a scum or scummies. Some defending can be not only defending if the partners but also can be pocketing of townie, making allies...
Then instant searching for replacement of Artemiana after the vote for her from DGB.
And this strang password problem, this is so bad reason not to be active... really.

Yeah, you are trying so much to fix these problems,and some possible townies (maybe top townies) think that you are a townie (even Artemiana). Im not so sure. Maybe for now, idk

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I wanted to quote, not vote
Sorry

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***They can do that, but they dont want it and must try smth else.
***defending of
Fixing typos

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ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

Roles do exist that can pierce through vests you know that right?

Shoot him, he is not bp

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You wanted to elim Enchant, anything changed?

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I see, traitor's claim, thats why u changed it on T3 fast
Well, but u did want to elim Enchant, and u dont want it

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I can easy believe that she is a scum and lied about everything.
Dcl had v/la till... today? Whats the problem?
Nd maybe scum, though he talks more about the game.

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I don't really understand how your progression on NDMath can be that you don't particularly townread him, you wouldn't cry if he were to die, you think his defense of me is strange, but you would rather eliminate me than him.

Especially if activity is an issue as you claim it is.

Artemianas defending is more weird

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Even without a password... this is not a reason not to read the game at least. She could tell other reasons - lazy,busy... but no, a password, a password.

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15 minutes per day for the game...
Id like to hear more from Cabd
About Anastasia for instance
VOTE: Cabd

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Maybe elim Andre?)

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This smth wrong to consider a scum a man who chose a tactic not to vote anywhere for fun or for some experiment idk... This attracts too much attention to himself for a scum
Though i dont mind to watch him with 9-10 votes on him, what he will say/do/claim

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Im joking about claim, but last time he was pushed - he gave us some info (his opinion about his scummy Artemiana and some else). Now Anastasia is here. And maybe he can say more not only about her or maybe he changed opinion...

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Cabd's attack to Artemiana is the only strong moment of his iso.
Artemiana didnt consider Cabd a scum.
Artemiana has scummy things in her iso. He also is not good, but this is kinda "mafia not likely would do that". She is scummier than he is.
Though Anastasia is more careful than Artemiana... We need to think about it.
Well, i guess Artemiana and Anastasia is a scum.

But i stay on Cabd for a while

I dont know about dgb. And what does it mean - wrt?

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I would choose Andre, but Ana/DBG are about null for me, as many others

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Kitty, what new thoughts about persons do you have? What is the range of mafia for you?

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Kitty, are you ready to vote Andre?

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With the majority

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Enchant is town.

This is the most (the only?) problem of his iso i think, not counting promissing not to be active and some other little things.
Though he can be mistaking or enchant is really townie, there are some chances for that..

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I want to say, yes fine, elim me see me flip townie, but then lynch Kitty without hesitation as it's damn funny. He ready to admit any evidence, even if it incriminate them as well.

Why not T3 ? You are voting T3, but at the same time you suggest elim you and then Kitty after you........ Why not T3?
Why do you vote T3 if Kitty is scummier for you?
You dont believe T3 is a traitor or a scum, arent you?

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Enchant is mafia. I reread it again. So classic mafia. Maybe even not with Kitty (i have new thoughts about that, but maybe im wrong and he is with kitty).

VOTE: Enchant

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DGB, you are wrong about Enchant

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You know what, DGB... I need your updated opinion about Enchant. What do you think. Still townie? Possible scum now?

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I've been wrong before.

explain

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I dont know roles of anybody except me, but I think I might found smth important so I need to know is your opinion about Enchant has changed or remained the same since "Enchant town"?

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T3 [6] - ..., Enchant
...
Enchant [2] - T3, ...

Yes I town read T3.

Yeah I still think he'll flip green.

So if they are both so townies for you why didn't you stop somehow this huge endless attack from T3 (who wasn't townie for you) to your almost only townie Enchant?
Other players were discussing are reasons good or bad to scumread Enchant like T3 for slipping... You kept silent the whole time, absolutely ignoring this topic (though you had voted T3, but not for long and as it seems mostly because of his new claim, not because any other reason). You called Enchant town before "slip", then T3 attacked Enchant, and now you call them both townies...
Is it normal? T3 was attacking maybe the towniest person you have in your ISO, but you like doesn't care about Enchant's problems, town's problems...
This smells like fake from your side. Fake phrase "Enchant town" - like you don't really believe it (like maybe your partner or maybe you are a scum and he is townie, so you doesnt care).

I got to this thoughts thinking could you be with T3 like partners? Because you said "Enchant townie", then T3 starting to cry with caps lock "Enchant is scum", and there is almost no reaction on that from you, like it is ok for you.

So maybe you can be partners with T3, not scumreading him and not intercepting of doing smth bad for town from your POV... And just pocketing Enchant.
Or maybe you are partners with Enchant and trying not to show it much with the defense, hoping that this storm will end soon.

Because for a townie it is rather strange not to defend your townies, in which colors you are sure enough...

sorry, typing rather fast, maybe a lot of mistakes

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Do I look like I care that much?

Etine town, Enchant town - sound with much confidence. Like a huge bet in poker.

I also townread T3. Let him do his work.

firstly not. you voted him. but because of claiming, not because of attack on your townie.

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almost the same thoughts, okay for now

VOTE: Anastasia

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you are going in wrong direction, mark

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this was about me about direction. though i didnt say im ok with elimination of t3. thats why i decided to write posts in his defense from 1206 to 1219. and this was after my post where i promised not to post much... couldnt watch how ppl are going to elim possible active townie. instead of more scummy persons

though sometimes im ready to elim a townie with mafia, if im so sure that one of them is definitely mafia. and i just questioned about mechanics.

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So would I be right in thinking that you think 1 of Kitty/T3 is mafia and that is more likely to be Kitty?

i even said it somewhere. because in my understanding there is more chances that there is only 1 cop in the game, but there are two. this is rather common situation. the only problem, i usually play in games with 1 cop and the second cop is always fake cop... but here can be something unusual for me and there can be two cops, am i right? or even maybe town fake claims, i dont know local people well, so im not so sure about all claiming, i give it more time and i sometime miss some text about all claimings in this game (especially in the beginning), prefering to understand it later, when the things will be much clear.

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If so, why would you raise the idea of eliming both of them? Surely better to elim the one you SR more first, and then go from there?

because im thinking about future when they can live too long + Deathnote's "I'd vote out both cops to be honest." sounded like it is possible to elim both, so I asked about mechanics...

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My point still stands though that if you think 1 of the 2 is the cop why would you not just want to elim the one you SR more rather than talking (even hypothetically) about eliming both

about cops it is mostly a joke, but it can be done with simple townie (or a cop with no shots left) and scum, i tried to realised this in my previous game here (kitty and floo - there was 1 scum definitely, I suggested to elim both and hammered firstly townie kitty; the second one was a scummy). i used to do that some times in my other games. there are a lot of situations where it can be useful, especially when nobody know the roles of dead players (such kind of rules). this is Math thinking. the most simple situation where it useful: when all roles are somehow know in the end of the game, and only two players are unknown, and the last mafia is among them. killing both = town wins. and it can be useful in some situations earlier. this is working with possibilites to make mistakes. we have about five such possibilities (depending on what kinds of roles and their moves will be in the game)

though mark can lose some town credits.
i just realised that you can try to investigate now my role, talking about other roles.

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Townies.
Vote Anastasia. While Mark sleeps.

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Anastasia, is Andre a town for you?

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is it bad that i wanna say i wanna sheep vasex today and like basically make them town leader like i fucking trust this dude to be town 100% and they are putting in effort i am unable to really put into a large game like i hate sorting 20 other people LOL

this is mafia bookmark this post

Are u still with that idea?

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Ana would do you think of Kitty

kitty and t3 are good cops for her, townies...
the same thoughts kitty have

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by the way, anya gave him the idea about bulletproof. so it was a fake claim, i think. should we discuss it at all? cops will be alive today

T3 actually feels like he's been wearing heavy clunky armour and had a defensive riot shield up from the start of this game

maybe like a wolf cop

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We need to elim Artemiana and Anastasya today. It will be very useful, we've got much info, this is the best option instead of Kitty/T3. Some people think she is townie (NDMath, Windows XP, Marky Mark, Etine), there is much defending her from them. And she is most possible scummy here (with Kitty). And some people scumreading almost only her (Cabd, Anya, DGB, STD). All these people in two brackets will be kinda checked after revealing her side. Her push to NDMath is also can be vital.

Arte thought Mark, Vasex, Etine are scummies. Ana came and immediately fixing this (because there is a high risk for her to be elimed), trying to be allies with almost everyone, only pushing NDMath (who trs her). Even T3 and Kitty are townies for her.

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i dont like to do early lists and dont believe it can be with no mistakes on the first day, but if smb is interested:

Spoiler:

 Vasex
 samantha97 
 Nero Cain 
 Etine 
 Rathe 
 Marky Mark 
 Kerset 
 Anya 
 T3 
 DrippingGoofball 
 Cabd  
 deep-city-lights 
 Dunnstral 
 WindowsXP 
 NDMath 
 Save The Dragons 
 DeathNote 
 Andresvmb 
 Enchant 
 Anastasia 
 KittyTacky 

WindowsXP 
 NDMath 
 Save The Dragons 
 DeathNote 
 Andresvmb 
 Enchant 
 Anastasia 
 KittyTacky 

i think there are all or at least 4 scummies.

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but if Anastasia and/or Kitty are/is town, everything can change for me (t3? dgb? girls? etine? cabd,dunn,dcl...)

if im dead after the night, use this list like my very thoughtful (considered) conclusion for now.

i read every iso and made many notes about everyone

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this is a lie

ok samantha is null-scum for u too. anything else?

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I think that you can be with NDMath.

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I think that you can be with NDMath.

Then why do you keep defending him from me?

because he has "Enchant/Kitty appear scum/scum."
and he is ready to vote any of them
You are not.

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Zzzzz.
Please vote anybody with 11 votes

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they're about the only person that has stuck out to me (in general, not as mafia) besides etine and dkkoba,

and right now I want to do the opposite of whatever dkkoba wants to do

VOTE: t3

VOTE: t3

not comfortable leaving a d1 bulletproof claim alive, and not because of traitor

Are u still with that idea?

yes

thats funny

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c'mon vote artemiana
please

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you are not scum then

and i advise you to look again in my list. i call nobody 100% scummy. just a range, there are some townies should be too.

you have only 1 scum cabd in recent posts. ok, now samantha too, surprise. but before that you have me and etine. if etine townie - you have at least two mistakes in your three scummies. if cabd townie - all your scummies are mistakes. And Dunnstral is too sure that you are a scum... You dont consider he is a scum... How to see townie in you? For what actions or words?
Your unvoting from Artemiana now is more important than your voting at her.

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Lets hang Anastasia
The whole responsability is only on me.

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And all laurels)

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so im waiting for an opportunity to hammer anybody who has 10 votes

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kitty is just repeating and repeating and repeating the words of other players)

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kitty is just repeating and repeating and repeating the words of other players)

ready to vote him?

Always

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Sigh

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I dont care, the day is too long for me, im loosing interest
VOTE: Cabd

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If cabd a town and i am alive, i will be the leader!!1 We'll elim anastasia or kitty then. Or enchant. More we wait in this difficult day - more bussing and pocketing and paranoia happens.

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Dcl, wtf? Why dont you ask a replacement?

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i still think vasex is town btw just flawed reads

pocket attempt denied.

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the main reason I think ndmath and anastasia are town is because of their critical view of me

there's 0 reason to think I'm town this game lol

I can see that you are not in pair with kitty from the start of the game. So if he is mafia, i have a solid reason to consider you town

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Cabd attacks people, which he knows very well. Arte and Dunn.
The only question is it because he really sure he found scums, or just worried about that they can easily find him knowing him too...?
Buuuut... talking about the second option. Neither Artemiana(and Anastasia), nor Dunn were suspecting Cabd... Artestasia's scumreads: mark,vasex,etine,ndmath,samantha. Dunn scumread mostly only STD.... This is std scumreads cabd, but dunn scumreads std, not cabd... "what has cabd done?", "exactly"
Well , this is a quite strange tactic for cabd-scum to attack Artestasia and Dunn, who are not dangerous for him at all.
Maybe only one exception: if they are dangerous for his partners. But their voices are not too loud and they cannot create a wagon to ndmath or std ... so... it seems cabd is town really. Or just sick/crazy, like fond of fonding difficulties for himself, attacking his allies.
Though Dunn has voted Andre, then Kityy voted Andre, but still cabd was waiting rather long with no real danger for Andre...

I think cabd is town

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*fond of finding

VOTE: Anastasia

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...or maybe he is just making distancing with Arte/Dunn... but even in that case elimination of arte shouldnt be a mistake

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kitty is just repeating and repeating and repeating the words of other players)

Prove it.

It doesh't need to be proven, because that's truth, someone called someone mafia and here you are, let's vote!

... It happened how many times, three or so.

Not only about mafia, but about strong townreads too

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Anastasia is scum

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scum scum scum

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He completely ignores the actual merits of Cabd's posts vis-a-vis me.

What? Do you mean he attacks you because you attacked him? Could you prove it? Your iso proves the opposite

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He completely ignores the actual merits of Cabd's posts vis-a-vis me.

What? Do you mean he attacks you because you attacked him? Could you prove it? Your iso proves the opposite

I mean you don't actually look at the posts we made at each other to analyze which of us is town and which is scum.

You approach it from a motivation based standpoint which doesn't actually make sense.

There is obviously a reason for Cabd to attack me, he is leading wagon at 5 votes, if he doesn't generate an alternative he will die.

so why did he choose artemiana (long time ago; there were better alternatives if to count votes) and dunn

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you throw your vote around like you don't care who flips.

Sometime its true, so what? Tha day is too long, i need info

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But when it's actually your buddy Cabd being run up, suddenly you get cold feet.

It is not the first time when he is on top, if im not mistaking

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More looks like you need to generate the alternative: firstly ndmath, then cabd just because he still scumreads you and almost only you. Why didnt you stay on ndmath or samantha? Because cabd has votes, you need it to survive

Though i need to admit that you type fast and much

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It is about timing and game state.

So whats about timing? How many times he was on top? What he did being there and when? What is he plan in this cases?

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Did you really has analysis of that or just random throwing now? Why didnt he choose people with more votes to survive?

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Hm, when he first time scumread Artemiana... it was a moment when people didnt want to elim cops t3 and kitty (both had votes), but thats interesting that Enchant had many votes also in that moment. Artemiana had only dgb's vote. Nero and me decided to vote cabd... and tge he first time suggested to vote Artemiana.

Not Enchant...

What do you think about cabd-enchant?

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*then

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Anastasia, what do you think about enchant with cabd? U missed the question lol

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Look.
Artemiana had 1 vote.
T3 had 8 votes. Kitty 1 vote.
Enchant 4 votes
Cabd 3 votes.
Nero and I added 2 votes to cabd... he was from enchant, and samantha unvoted t3... it became 5 votes cabd 3 votes enchant. 7 tr, 0 kitty (deathnote unvoted), 1 art. Im from mobile phone so please check.

Cabd immediately came and suggested Artemiana is scummy.
Why not t3 and kitty? Maybe cops, ok.
Why not enchant? This is more interesting question, moreover enchant was suspecting cabd first time and voting on rvs (not much, but..).

So to survive he could attack enchant.
But he didnt.
So maybe he is with enchant, if scummy.
What do you think?
Or maybe he was busing with you.

Or maybe he is just a town who dont think about survival and talked just about most suspicious player for him.
Arte was during rellacement at this moment btw

One more important moment: t3 was very red for cabd (among three scummys for him - std, t3 and etine). T3 has 7 votes, enchant has 3 votes, but cabd with 5 votes attacks artemiana with 1 vote....
Though t3 is claimed cop so... maybe not valid. Enchant is more interesting option here. And there was no enchant in his rainbow list, so he could vote him instead of etine, t3 and std... why didnt ge do it? This is the main question. Either it ruins the idea or survival vote , or it just proving that they are both scums

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*the idea of survival vote

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Enchant, what do you think about cabd? Stop ignoring it

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...when you know sides?

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VOTE: Cabd

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Enchant, what do you think about cabd? Stop ignoring it

Idk, don't kill him today. He undirectly attacked Cop claims (by stating 1-2-Shot Cops is something stupid), so if both Cops is bullshit (which is possible), he most likely town.

so who should be killed today? t3?

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Yes.

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True.

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lets give few votes to Cabd. he has only 6

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6

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7

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kitty is mafia 100%

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it would be so cool to elim him, the perfect day one, but no, lets elim cabd or t3

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for example tomorrow kitty will say dcl is a scum... and you will be eliminating dcl instead of kitty
to see is it true

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7 votes on cabd, lets make 10
to force his partners or him to do some actions

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Nope

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Nope. He has 7 votes. Count better

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7

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No

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You just dont want smb to vote Cabd. That's why you are lying about votes.

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VOTE: Cabd

now 8 votes on Cabd. and we need 2 more to understand who is with him

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I don't think so, and if so, how you know?

I told it her privately

No one listens to me so i will pick by myself.

Kitty targets Anya
T3 targets samantha97

if this is some ability , i think it is bad move
kerset probably has many mistakes in reading ppl

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Mark, are you trying to convince people to elim t3?

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stupid question. yeah, you really are

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I see. I became from townish to possible scum for Mark and Kerset right after my posts about my opinion that T3 should be townie. At least i understand their logics. Well I can be wrong about t3, but if Kitty is really a scum, and he should be a scum, he has many reasons for that and claimed a cop like a scum just before the death, so I consider Kitty a scum, so his second main opponent t3 is automatically is closer to townies for me.
t3 had made 10th vote on kitty btw.
So i hope my logics is understandable too.

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does anyone else in this game think kitty's town? be honest with me i won't judge you i promise

etine, nero, std, windows
mark?
andre? dcl?

i was checking my rather old notes, maybe some new info exists

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t3 had made 10th vote on kitty btw.

Just checked T3's iso, he's voted Kitty twice as far as I can tell

so what?
Post #35 (rvs)
Post #732 (10th vote)
between that Etine , and after that Enchant

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Maybe if Enchant scum and knows that Cabd townie he tried to show with this conversation some kind of protecting the town and easy way to raise his own activity
Or maybe if Enchant and Cabd scums, he tried to protect him, telling people the real quantity of votes, to avoid town's accidental 10th and 11th votes
by the way right now there are only 8 votes on Cabd(( please vote Cabd

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Mark, by that moment it was obvious that Kitty won't be elimed today, I told it too before these posts

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So nothing strange that T3 is changing the direction of his attack from Kitty to Enchant, his #2 scum, and he is proud of finding this scum personally. And trying to prove it to the others, to prove by that the lie of Kitty

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Maybe the slip is not so strong case. Im not sure about that too. But it seems he believes in that. And I found other reasons why Enchant can be with Kitty or just a scum (unvoting; asking to check Etine, Enchant's townie...)

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unvoting

not just unvoting
but the stupid explanation that he just wants to hammer

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well enchant is not so bad option for elimination
he can be with kitty
he can be with cabd

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Where is our cop?))
The real cop on his place should think that he will die this night. He should do anything useful, he should try hard to fix his mistakes, to conpensate that he is going to leave the town without a cop...
But no, kitty prefers to spend time another way not thinking about his and town's future at all.

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I'd take Ana as a compromise lim if we were close to deadline, as things currently stand

Anybody else is ready to vote Anastasia?

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someone tell me why it would be dumb if the claimed cops checked the same person i bet it would be dumb

I thought about that
But the problem is if it is town and mafia believes it would be checked, they can kill it or use this knowledge somehow else
Maybe also it is better to be unpredictable, to look how fast cops will say their results, not depending on the other results, not changing them

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And if the check is unpredictable the reactions to it can be unprepared

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VOTE CABD VOTE CABD VOTE CABD

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If you dont elim cabd now, we will play this day for one more week
Vote cabd vote cabd vote cabd
Dont let him to talk in few hours as he promised

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Kitty, do u have townies at all?

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Windows, will you vote Cabd? And when?

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when T3 and Kitty acknowledge their target

Not the best idea

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I dont think this is good idea to aknowledge targets
Maafia can use it
Mafia can kill the target
Targets will be prepared

We can discuss it, check reactions, but it is better to cops to decide themselves in rather unpredictable ways. Checks should be useful (informative with any result) and based on mass opinions of their most solid townies

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ok lets hammer it, helping Anastasia and Kitty

VOTE: Cabd

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1 more please

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Are there any brave people? Vote him. Just do it!

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u are weak, std)
imagine any of his roles - what are you waiting from him? he has said all his thoughts. and this is not his game. he is out of here, not difficult to believe it. he left a colorful list, he left many thoughts about his main scummy. i dont think that he will add something vital. especially if he couldnt say it when he saw 9 votes and promised to be in few hours. i think not depending on his side - he has nothing interesting to say right now.

honestly i think he is townie and he just reads the game very bad. he leaves links to the earliest posts of the game. he stucked somewhere there not reading after, i think. he speaks more about artemiana that about anastasia too

though of course there is a chance that he is mafia with such a style of play. pretending lazy, busy, he remembers much all his previous game, more than focusing on his current game. but. idk

scums can bussing with him, but more chances that if kitty and artemiana mafias, they just dont care about cabd, than trying to kill a partner, i think

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windows, you wanted to elim cabd, where is your vote now? Etine, really?

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if cabd were to flip town then vasex is scum

you wanted to elim cabd and already voted him
so you are scum then
do you already know his towny's card and avoiding participating in that elimination?
looks like that

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thats interesting, that your green ones Vasex and Etine from townies are becoming scummies when cabd get 10 votes...

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This is me still being at work and also not self-hammering.

Why, Mr. Anderson? Why, why, why? Why do you do it? Why? Why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you're fighting for something? For more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know?

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Cabd, whos votes to you are the most strange to you?

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UNVOTE: Cabd

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Hello anime

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Well I really dont have ideas about his side now, and reaction of xp is so sure together with The Bulge, and the post of Cabd is like ready for this situation maybe...
But this is funny.

Who missed: the topic was closed for couple of minutes, maybe the problem of counting votes

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Me with Nero were faking our recent votes (we already were on Cabd, couldnt add more votes)

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Like... Really you will say "i was VT i don't care" as mafia?

Nope. It was typed fast and he could make such a plan with you in chat

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Nope is for your "99% town", im not sure

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samantha, i trust you, should i hammer him?

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dont believe xp , cops

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real cop
samantha and anya dont believe xp, so dont trust him much

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i guess now he really hammered? by std?
i think it should be town and we need to elim anastasia-kitty then

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my list of scummies range still valid

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may i dont answer ?(

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these rather stupid questions remind me the first scummy i found here on forum because of similar questions

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unvote smb else more, i will be later
we have new info about his claiming vt in situation where even The Bulge believed that he was hammered...

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unvote smb else more, i will be later
we have new info about his claiming vt in situation where even The Bulge believed that he was hammered...

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Enchant if you are so sure 99% that he is townie, will you vote Anastasia?

VOTE: Anastasia

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enchant, did u believe he is hammered?

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Someone asked why cant we have cops target the same person > there might be evil alien/rolestopper. It would decrease information gathered

xp and mark insisted on that

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oh. ok not one person. but targets for everybody of them

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So u wrote Bye anime with knowing that it wasnt hammered... Well, nothing useful here. You did the same with Kitty. Пока. Bye.

Well, I think that Enchant and Cabd didn't plan that, rather risky to plan it fast, and if it was planned long time The Bulge, seeing their discussion (if he checked), could expect that and would count votes better with them...
I also counted votes but after closing then believed for a second and started rechecking.

Maybe we should just leave this topic about closing and mods issues, idk.

The sureness of Enchant about 99% is not very genuine tho.

I don't want to vote Cabd, because one person who he undirectly accused will be lynched next day and if flips mafia, then Cabd probably not mafia.

There's 9 votes.

So why did you vote him 10th?

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VOTE: Enchant
Maybe we go here? He keeps posting information instead of analysis. Also i have a feeling that his activity is based on scum being pushed. During Kitty-T3 drama Enchant was pretty active and you know what? He was playing two games at the same time. During Cabd saga, enchant second game ended. Logically he should have more time to spare. Instead he gave up on reading the game, just like he would lose purpose in it. My theory is that back in Kitty-T3 he was active in order to protect his partner but now when townie is being wagoned, he just feels no need to intervene.

good
im ready to vote enchant
he just attacked his townie, putting him under hammer

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Of course. Do you really think i hammer my townread?... Sorry bad question.

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enchant has too much critical mistakes for average townie now

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Why not? You would vote him out without my intervention, my action proved his faction with high probality.

Not sure. I was ready to unvote if smth happened or just because cabd was smth about null to me. I didnt like to vote with Kitty and Anastasia, and the third my main scummy came there, it was too much...

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VOTE: Enchant

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Well Im glad that I wasnt wasting time patiently attacking Cabd today, lol... the 10th vote was perfect, i was seeking for smth like this. Enchant voted for his townie. Look at his iso. Before this vote and after this vote he says that townreads Cabd. So his vote here is total fail.
i dont know cabd's side after that for sure, should be not with Enchant, but Enchant is definitely thinks not like a townie.

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unvoting kitty on the 10th because you kinda would like to hammer it
asking a cop to check your townie claimed etine
putting another your townie under the hammer to prove he is town
funny

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and voting t3 because he scumreads you hard