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Post Post #3165 (isolation #200) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:00 am

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I suspect at this point Yang is operating how Yin was previously, but with Amy.
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Post Post #3169 (isolation #201) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:17 am

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1) Don't put words in my mouth tweetie. it annoys me.
2) I never said Yin isnt evil.
3) The PoE from Yin is legitimate still. We do not fucking submit Tanner or Chara unless another red flips
3a) The reasoning being Yin has been playing to the mafia wincon all along, but not with the flexibilty of a "human". That is how we got a usable wincon.
4) I understand I am never getting "elevated" in this case, ain't gunna stop me playing to win.
5) Frankly I've reached a point where I'm fed up of being a godsdamned sideshow here. The mech has been revealed. My method so far has worked. Now the burden is on you to prove me wrong.
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Post Post #3175 (isolation #202) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:35 am

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At the time Yin was giving us exactly what the mafia needed to win on a single tracked mind.

Yin and yang is a simple concept.

There is light in darkness, there is darkness in light. Both should be kept in balance. Both are essential.

I'm genuinely done here.


pedit oh my fuck...

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Post Post #3177 (isolation #203) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:36 am

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yes just like that...

2 eliminations and how many questions?

I'm just going to autohammer anything that comes up now.
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Post Post #3179 (isolation #204) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:43 am

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Do I really have to answer that?

Look at the gamestate Ydrasse. there's your answer.
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Post Post #3181 (isolation #205) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:45 am

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I've been fighting for mechanics for D1, prodding and poking everything on the way.

I've been resisted at every single turn.

I'm done fighting, ya'll obviously know the game better than me so there it is.
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Post Post #3182 (isolation #206) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:45 am

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In post 3180, Morning Tweet wrote:Those questions were incredibly easy. I suppose we'll just disagree on that. If the game was just to ask Yin who the mafia are, this is not a game of mafia.
Go over your notes tweetie.
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Post Post #3187 (isolation #207) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:49 am

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In post 3185, Morning Tweet wrote:If by fighting for mechanics you mean voteparking anyone Yin called a criminal, then yes, you did. We killed Infy and Nakata because they were scummy, not because they were criminals. Dont you think it would make sense Yin would lead us to kill the people scum wants us to kill if he's evil? I cannot understand how you are coming to the conclusion criminals must be scum just because two flipped that way. Yin knows their alignments. It was intentional.
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Post Post #3188 (isolation #208) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:49 am

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In post 3183, Ydrasse wrote:okay like

i just fundamentally disagree with how you’re approaching this game right now but i don’t think that’s gonna go anywhere

flea who do you want to vote as town the most?
Well I'm at the bottom of a pit of spikes, I ain't going nowhere.
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Post Post #3192 (isolation #209) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:51 am

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In post 3189, Ydrasse wrote:can you answer my question please?
Nope, the only vote I'm dropping now is hammers.
In post 3190, Morning Tweet wrote:I think if you asked optimal questions you could solve the criminal mystery in 2-3 days. We took a bit longer but imagine if we did that quickly. What a boring game..?
Occam's Razor.
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Post Post #3195 (isolation #210) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:53 am

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In post 3194, Ydrasse wrote:let me out
Gladly.
VOTE: Ydrasse
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Post Post #3197 (isolation #211) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:57 am

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In post 3196, Morning Tweet wrote:I dont think Occams Razor applies

The simplest answer is that Yin is evil. There is a lot of evidence to support that
*facepalmheaddesk*


Look at your notes tweetie.
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Post Post #3208 (isolation #212) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:14 am

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Apparently something you're blind to.

Heres my notes tweetie, lets see if you see what I see.

  • There are 4 criminals () across 3 factions ()

  • The public masonry is not criminal free. ()
    Chara,
    Norwee
    and Pooky
    ()

  • Pooky has voted for a criminal as of post
    Ydrasse, Tweetie, Tanner, Chara
    ()

  • There is a maximum of 1 criminal in
    Amy
    ,
    Robert
    and Tanner ()

  • A member of the scumteam has recieved a maximum of 5 votes. ()
    Nakata
    ,
    Infinity
    ,
    Ircher


  • Amy
    has voted at least 1 criminal.
    Chara,
    Ircher
    ,
    Nakata
    ,
    Infinity


  • There are no truely criminal in
    Amy
    , Ydrasse and
    Ircher
    .

  • There is at least 1 criminal voting
    Nakata
    in VC 1.11.
    Ydrasse,
    Amy
    Dunne, clidd,
    Infinity
    , Morning Tweet


  • There is more than 1 criminal in Tanner,
    Amy
    ,
    Robert
    , Ydrasse and Chara.

  • There is a criminal in Tanner, Ydrasse, and
    Ircher


  • There is a Criminal in Flea,
    Nakata
    and Pooky ()

  • There are 2 criminals in Morning, clidd, Pooky

  • Amy
    has voted for a still living criminal (as of this post)
    Chara,
    Ircher
    ,
    Nakata
    ,
    Infinity


  • There are criminals inside
    Amy
    , Ydrasse and
    Nakata
    ()

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  • MIN 1 ->
    Chara
    /
    Norwee
    / Pooky
  • MIN 1 ->
    Ydrasse
    / Tweetie /
    Tanner
    /
    Chara

  • MAX 1 ->
    Tanner
    /
    Amy
    /
    Robert

  • MIN 1 ->
    Nakata
    /
    Infinity
    /
    Ircher

  • MIN 2 ->
    Chara
    /
    Ircher
    /
    Nakata
    /
    Infinity

  • MIN 1 ->
    Ydrasse
    /
    Amy
    Dunne
    / clidd /
    Infinity
    / Morning Tweet
  • MIN 1 ->
    Tanner
    /
    Ydrasse
    /
    Norwee

  • MIN 2 ->
    Tanner
    /
    Amy
    /
    Robert
    /
    Ydrasse
    /
    Chara

  • MIN 1 ->
    Flea
    /
    Nakata
    / Pooky
  • HAS 0/2 -> Morning / Clidd / Pooky
  • MIN 1? ->
    Amy
    /
    Ydrasse
    /
    Nakata
Clearlist
  • Ircher
    -
  • Ydrasse -
  • Amy
    - / D3 Start
  • Robert
    - PoE bias-clear / D2 flip
  • Norwee
    - N1 Flip
  • Flea -
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Post Post #3211 (isolation #213) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:19 am

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I have. Repeatedly.
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Post Post #3212 (isolation #214) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:20 am

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Honestly I'm surprised I even posted that at this point.
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Post Post #3215 (isolation #215) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:27 am

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Yeah I edited the bit below and didn't amend the top bit. my bad.

Chara this is aimed specifically at Tweetie, given it's damning of you I genuinely would not expect you to go along with this.
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Post Post #3216 (isolation #216) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:29 am

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I've given my interpretation of these several times, I'm not doing it again.

Like I said, as far as I'm concerned, I now need to be proven wrong. Nobodies going to until its too late. So I'm just going to vote whoever and hammer whoever.
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Post Post #3218 (isolation #217) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:35 am

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We reached the same conclusion which is the hilarious part of this.
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Post Post #3220 (isolation #218) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:37 am

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I ain't getting sentenced either, lets face it.
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Post Post #3223 (isolation #219) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:47 am

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In post 3221, Chara wrote:what would you do if Tanner flipped town?
He wont. I know he wont.
Chara wrote:
In post 3215, Flea The Magician wrote:Yeah I edited the bit below and didn't amend the top bit. my bad.

Chara this is aimed specifically at Tweetie, given it's damning of you I genuinely would not expect you to go along with this.
is that why you haven't responded to my reasoning about Yin clearly not being forced to answer every poe question?
They've answered several questions and I've noticed a pattern in which ones were answered.

More than 2 people, around 1 or 2 per RL day.
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Post Post #3228 (isolation #220) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:56 am

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Genuinely if there's any red flip outside of Tanner and Chara then we know.

Following green PoE gives us the best chance than giving a red a go.
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Post Post #3231 (isolation #221) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:05 am

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In post 3230, Tanner wrote:i am ready to scream at any two of clidd/pooky/chara/amy that i need so that they vote for me, i write a "not hammering myself" post so that we can see flea's head explode. and theni'm hammering myself and getting out of here.
I smell desperation.
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Post Post #3235 (isolation #222) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:09 am

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In post 3229, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 2115, Tanner wrote:[i wrote the following the morning after the flip. the norwee and ircher parts are kinda moot now, but i'm posting it anyway. will look at norwee's iso when it's not 2am. also uhhh, ircher buddy you okay there?]

i cannot stop thinking about this game, so i will make some notes. if i live to see day two, i will post this in the main thread. if not, i will post this in the dead thread. the order within tiers is kinda town>scum but also kind of not, idk.

town:

- tanner. don't @ me.

most likely town unless we're living in a fucked up world:

- ydrasse. while i was thinking her posts are pretty townie on its own, i don't think scum!her decides to bus infinity in after i made two (2) shitposts asking for infinity votes. she could've made some bullshit up about nakata. or about ircher. or about literally anyone. like, i *think* ydrasse is sometimes slightly bus happy, but lmfao what the fuck would this be. nah fam.

- norwee. similar story to ydrasse, i think his general solviness and energy are decently +town on their own, i similarly don't think he busses infinity in like that. town.

- amy. this one is not as strong as ydra/norwee because i don't have like, a *general* townread on her slot, but i still think that that infinity bus was not in any way necessary, especially as she was already angling to vote either nakata or ircher. so i don't think scum!amy does it.

- ircher. now this is not really based on his play (though that one wallpost was Decent i guess), but i believe the way infinity played around him *strongly* implies that he's town. so i already called out infinity for this in , but look at this sequence. in , ircher is at 5 votes, and infinity is egging his wagon on, but not voting him herself. ~18 hours later, ircher is at y-1, with it seeming like there's not way he's not getting yeeted. infinity jumps out of the void to suddenly defend ircher and say that she actually wants to kill nakata (, ). this is not scum defending their partner (unless they were going for the ultimate wifom defense). this is scum weakly defending a townie they thought was a lost cause for the towncred the next day. and then on page 70 she's magically fine with an ircher wagon again? if this truly was a 9000 iq distance that infinity knew i was gonna fall for, then mad props.

probably(?) town but like, i could be wrong:

- clidd. this one kinda pains me. he's here solely based on his play/wim, and the fact that i am very aware that town!clidd gets tunnelled on unimportant things and misses sort-of-obvious scum signs. like, his defense of infinity is Not Good, and that hammer makes me slightly anxious. but as said, on play he's town, so i'm just gonna hope he's town for now.

- pooky. now i am not that solid on this one because he did want ircher and shit, but i don't think he lets partner!infinity die like that. idk, i'm invoking the chara's folly tell again. i don't think pooky sits on the sidelines like that when his partner is going down like that.

- nakata. ctrl+f'ing "nakata" in infinity's iso, i don't think those are s/s. like, infinity was kind of continuously pushing nakata, and the posts i called infinity out for in imply to me that they're not aligned. also, i don't think that nakata not wanting to vote infinity because infinity will be readable later is actually scummy, as opposed to a townie caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. *however*, i'm putting it out there immediately that i have been fooled by a distance like the one i called out in , so take this with a grain of salt. also, if i wake up to see ydrasse dead, i'm heavily looking at nakata and trying to sort him asap. (i'll be doing that if i'm alive regardless, because i feel like a decent amount of the game could be different depending on if nakata is scum or town, but you feel).

the poe:

- morning tweet. man, i want tweetie to be town, i really do. i'm not yet feeling the "tweetie is obvtown" feeling. and her interactions / play around infinity are... iffy at best. and i don't like the sit on ircher.

- chara. i'm not very certain on this, and it's mostly a nullread coupled with "its infinity vote made me raise an eyebrow" and some posts around her feeling "hmm". i haven't yet put too much thought into this, since sorting chara is probably Not Easy, and i don't like using up effort if i don't know if i'm gonna see tomorrow to present that effort. and i know "this person have stronk scumgaem so null" is an extremely annoying thing to hear (i lose my shit every time innocentvillager does it to me, even though more often than not it's a joke), so in advance i'm apologizing for doing that, but. yeah.

- flea. yikes, okay, what the fuck was that vote on me lmfao. anyway, something rings scummy-wrong about fae having infinity in faer scumpool for a long period of time but never voting her? however, something also rings townie-wrong in fae being utterly disinterested in voting ircher, and on grounds fae could easily ignore if needed (yin clear). and voting me, when it was blatantly obvious it won't go through? so like, i don't know, this slot confuses me.

- robert. i know i said his interactions with infinity are kinda -partner but my god this slot looks scummy as shit. i don't think there's a single genuine thought about solving the game anywhere in his iso. and the constant lurk-if-no-pressure / post-if-pressure pattern is Not Good.

I don't think Tanner writes this ^

if he's scum tbh
Pooky I've burned you with my high efforts before, and when I've gone deepwolf.
I know a wolf can write that.
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Post Post #3236 (isolation #223) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:10 am

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In post 3233, Chara wrote:
In post 3230, Tanner wrote:i am ready to scream at any two of clidd/pooky/chara/amy that i need so that they vote for me, i write a "not hammering myself" post so that we can see flea's head explode. and theni'm hammering myself and getting out of here.
i'll vote for you, but you'll need to suffer for a while longer because that's what i have to do and it's only fair.

and because i'm still doing work.
No surprise here that you're willing to vote your PoE buddy.
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Post Post #3245 (isolation #224) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:18 am

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*snerks*


use your PT, it'll be easier to get your stories straight. :3
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Post Post #3251 (isolation #225) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:30 am

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In post 3247, Morning Tweet wrote:The sooner we vote out Tanner the sooner flea can start playing and all of the pieces will fall into place for my tanner/ydrasse/pooky/flea town to win
Fleas been playing and has a backup plan.
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Post Post #3291 (isolation #226) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:17 am

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In post 3287, Tanner wrote:
In post 3284, Chara wrote:
In post 3281, Tanner wrote:i actually have a crack theory on flea/chara it's that bad
and yet in spite of myself i kind of want to hear it.
ok so this is not exactly my current thoughts, more like a universe i am considering, but:

so first of all, flea's play this game didn't make sense to me at all. and i'm not talking the mech stuff, i'm talking the votepark on me on d1 and then votepark on nakata and it's all odd. however i think it makes at least some sense if we assume/guess that flea was one of the people that was destined to fall early rather than infinity or nakata. if it seems like fae was consistently trying to single me out, it's not far fetched that someone thinks of us as psrtners. especially since i wasn't exactly attacking fae in return, which could easily be swept as scum wifom. (i mean almost anything can be but you know what i mean.)

the thing that i found really *really* odd is that flea never voted chara even though chara fit the bill of criminal, *and* chara was lower in faer reads than i was. this was excused by flea saying that fae usually doesn't have much faith in faer reads, but it still feels... backwards??

i can't say that flea refusing to play the game is completely scum!indicative bc apparently they're capable of playing it properly as scum so idk.

(sidenote i just realized, pooky said that no? and yet wasn't he on clidd's ass for not providing reads saying that that is scum!indicative but giving flea a pass for that? idk a note to check that later)

but like, i can kind of see flea's plan here of oppose my yeet, then once it happens anyway, do a 180 and push chara through?

actually as i type that out i'm slightly less convinced that that is the case because if that happened, i'm not sure flea gets out of here, but my earlier points of "flea wanting to murder me for being a criminal but completely ignoring chara in that regard" is still valid i think

somewhere along the way this turned into a "hey maybe the team is pooky/flea" but uh i will think about that later, i'm going for a walk now, enjoy this wordvomit i guess
Congratulations you made a scumcase on a person who is designated to not be yeet from this.
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Post Post #3292 (isolation #227) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:19 am

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In post 3289, Chara wrote:and fae is capable of playing as scum, faer scumgame is good. if this is a scum ploy it means something went very wrong or fae was purposely going for the refuge in audacity angle for some reason.
I am a capable, adaptive and reflexive thinker, if I'm scum here and things went sideways, I go ALL OUT and powerwall to recover.
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Post Post #3294 (isolation #228) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:52 am

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You'll be eating those words when Tanner flips red
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Post Post #3416 (isolation #229) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:59 am

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In post 3306, Yang wrote:Remember when I tried to protect the mafia from your votings

And you didn't listen to me
I both thank you and dislike you for this as now I'm intrigued enough to go evidence hunting...
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Post Post #3417 (isolation #230) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:01 am

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In post 3310, Tanner wrote:can we not vote the people who townread me out first please :/

also uhh. was busy with other things tonight. definitely doing stuff soon still.
Almost like it's scuppering your chance of winning ain't it. You're suddenly more desperate to get out of here.

Pull up a spike, we're staying.
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Post Post #3418 (isolation #231) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:01 am

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In post 3316, Amy Dunne wrote:Yin also told Pooky that there were an even number of scum in Pooky/Clidd/Tweetie, which contradicts his Tanner/Chara reads.
0 is an even number technically.
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Post Post #3422 (isolation #232) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:49 am

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Spoiler: Yang Hunt
- asserts Yang is opposite to Yin in every way.

Which is a good point - and one I am going to beat you all with.

Yin gets 1 question a day, gives PoE and is focused on the mafia wincon. Yang isn't, Yang doesn't have to answer any questions but does.

Yin is focused, Yang isn't.

Yin is Evil - "their eye turned red! we know we can trust them now!"
Yang is good, but let me guess we can't trust them either. Even though they're a Heroine ().



Amy is hated.

is worth a reread, I won't spoil it for you.

Tanner should be eliminated.

Chara and Robert need to crossvote

Trying to dissuade us from the infinity lim. &

Strong case against voting tanner in

Disapproved of sentancing Robert.

Approves of sentancing Robert.

Flea should be sentanced.

Flea is mafia.

Flea should not be eliminated.

Flea should be punished for faer crimes.

Chara is mafia

Eliminate Clidd

Infinity and Robert were both town.

Amy -1
Tanner 0
Robert 0
Flea +2
Chara +1
Clidd +1


Spoiler: Conclusion
Chaotic and not realiable.
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Post Post #3423 (isolation #233) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:50 am

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In post 3421, Chara wrote:
In post 3417, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3310, Tanner wrote:can we not vote the people who townread me out first please :/

also uhh. was busy with other things tonight. definitely doing stuff soon still.
Almost like it's scuppering your chance of winning ain't it. You're suddenly more desperate to get out of here.

Pull up a spike, we're staying.
not to be Like That, but Tanner's blatant "please vote me out asap" is kind've +town for me. i'm already confident in that read but i'm trying to imagine scum Tanner thinking it's a good idea to make this post.
How is it? How is it remotely a good post?
That is scum 100%.
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Post Post #3470 (isolation #234) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:33 am

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In post 3436, Chara wrote:i just don't think Tanner is scum. this seems ridiculous to me. he's one of the few reads i'm actually confident in rn, and i'm not confident in a whole lot at the moment. i can see why he's nervous. he's expected he can get out of this game, he doesn't want to be the reason for the loss, he's highly townread, but this Yin criminal thing keeps getting brought up as evidence and he knows it's wrong, and i know it's wrong. i don't know Datisi that well, but i absolutely know the feeling of feeling like you're being incorrectly read as rown and the game is about to get 10x harder. his play here is so reminiscent of Chara's Folly, i thought it at the beginning and it's only gotten stronger, right down to the spiralling of confidence right at the end. and unless the team is exactly Tanner/clidd i also don't see why he goes back and finds reason to defend him, either. which i guess is possible? it's not a reason i think Tanner is town, it's just something to note i guess.

point being i don't think scum Tanner does this. i think he's highly townread, he's happy with the status quo, he doesn't make multiple posts about wanting to be sentenced asap.

pedit: i would be okay with Pooky or Ydrasse today, if we aren't doing Tanner.

pedit x2: :<
There is absolutely no reason for a town tanner to be nervous right now.
If tanners town and knows my read is bad, he dismisses it.
Tanners scum and you know it.
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Post Post #3479 (isolation #235) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:45 am

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This entire game is WIFOM if you want to look at it like that.

Fastest way to solve it, is to just ignore it or drink it.

Yin and Yang are mechanics in this game.

They are the centre point of this game.

My theory is right so far. :)
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Post Post #3485 (isolation #236) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:52 am

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In post 3480, Chara wrote:i'm not going to argue about that anymore. i think you know your theory isn't right, but you're happy keeping it up because you know it's actually working to get you townread. i've already said why Yin was not at all forced to answer the poe questions, and whu that makes no sense in a game that's supposed to be mafia, and you've ignored it. Hectic and Isis would not design a game like that.
I don't care how I'm read, I'm not getting removed from this game either way.

There is enough to show my theory is right so far.

There is none to prove it wrong.

Occams Razor is an amazing design concept, for the record.
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Post Post #3569 (isolation #237) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:35 am

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In post 3511, Morning Tweet wrote:hi have we solved the game yet
yeah but everyones ignoring me.
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Post Post #3570 (isolation #238) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:44 am

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In post 3537, Tanner wrote:and yes before you ask i am aware that pissing off the conftown who doesn't wanna listen to me anyway is stupid but congrats being pushed throughout the whole game on that criminal bullshit is taking its toll

you may all now collectively go "would scum!tanner purposefully piss of the conftown for the wifom" because the answer is probably yes
by one person.

Literally I am the only person who is seriously pushing you, and has been for a long time.

So the frustration may be genuine, but only because you're the one who sealed your own fate.
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Post Post #3573 (isolation #239) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:53 am

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In post 3542, Tanner wrote:
In post 3470, Flea The Magician wrote:There is absolutely no reason for a town tanner to be nervous right now.
If tanners town and knows my read is bad, he dismisses it.
this gives me a headache this read is so surface level it's sad

"tanner is scum because he's survivalistic" "tanner is scum because he is nervous" like this is genuinely such level zero thinking, why the fuck are you pretending like you know anything about me or the way i play?
I don't, that's the thing.
But if you're town, there's absolutely no reason for you to be nervous.
oh and nice attempt to change what I said. I never said survivalistic.
You're scum for many reasons. I'm just waiting for people to realise I'm right.
Until then, I'll use everything at my disposal.
Pressure, intimidation, and suppression.
Because you will crack, You already are cracking.
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Post Post #3574 (isolation #240) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:54 am

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In post 3547, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:AHAHAHAHAHA

DO YOU REMEMBER THIS POST TANNER!??!

Image

W I L D
Saw your post on the PEdit pooks, looks like you've done some of the work for me.
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Post Post #3576 (isolation #241) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:56 am

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In post 3550, Tanner wrote:i know scum!me likes to meme-openwolf sometimes but come on that is too much even for me
In post 2115, Tanner wrote:
most likely town
unless we're living in a fucked up world
:

- ydrasse.
also when i opened my iso earlier when i was looking for my older posts re ydra's reads, i found this gem and lmfao if she's scum

ok i'm off fr
Then there's this "defence" of "oh shit I got caught"
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Post Post #3577 (isolation #242) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:57 am

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In post 3557, clidd wrote:By PoE the less towny in my eyes is flea, but fae isn't scumposting so not sure where I'm supposed to look.
i'm the one never getting removed from this pit, we have an error range of 1. That is now me. This game will reach F3.
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Post Post #3578 (isolation #243) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:58 am

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I need to double check my working on that one. but you get my point.
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Post Post #3579 (isolation #244) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:58 am

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In post 3561, clidd wrote:I sympathize with Tanner's recent engagement and internal frustration at not being townread as he thinks he should be (I've had similar episodes in the past, but I've expressed more anger than frustration).
from 1 player, literally from just me. he's basically a UTR that I can see.
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Post Post #3580 (isolation #245) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:04 am

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In post 3571, Morning Tweet wrote:I think "Hectic told us the names of all the scum through a simple QnA" is somewhat insulting to him as a mod and not my first inclination

I really fail to see what the game is if you dont even have to play mafia, ya know? all the other mechanics would be wasted.

Plus, if you were playing more you could see why Tanmer is 99% town
Occams Razor is an amazing trick.

In DnD I've stumped a player group for THIRTY MINUTES just because a door had runes on it that translated to "pull" - they thought it was magical and warded.

At LARP I've given the players a simple cipher and the code to break it, it took them an hour because they didn't trust it. "It's too easy and its you Flea."

Hell it even stumped me recently in Pokémon Tabletop.

"You're a ghost type, aren't you Aki. I've seen the power you hex maniacs wield. Knock my hat off my head - and I will help you"

I literally just had to go and knock it off, i didn't because I don't have a move that allows it.
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Post Post #3582 (isolation #246) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:21 am

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Pooky whats my scumrange?

What would surprise you for me to pull as scum?
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Post Post #3584 (isolation #247) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:30 am

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You have no idea how happy I am to hear that, honestly.

Especially as I'm about to go deep into my scum meta.
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Post Post #3586 (isolation #248) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:37 am

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Pooky if you're not consistently paranoid of me, I'm doing this wrong. <3
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Post Post #3588 (isolation #249) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:05 am

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So does everyone, the means they do it, however, tells a lot about them.

I'm digging through tanners ISO between spacing the fuck out and trying to keep my water and salt levels up (UK is having a heatwave, we're at 82f with 50-60% humidity, we ain't built for this weather) and I've spent the past week in a state of heat exhaustion.

Think about it Pooky, why would townTanner be so desperate to get out of the pit? Why so reactive to me pushing him when he's a UTR?

His early game is weak, so now we're late game he should in theory be in his element, why not help town sort out who to put out instead of just trying to get out?

Why has he set up to discredit yin from the get go?
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Post Post #3589 (isolation #250) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:07 am

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Why is Tanner so scared of one person? A person who has been ignored and placed aside as someone to ignore by the bulk of the game?
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Post Post #3591 (isolation #251) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:30 am

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To be that bad and that paranoid to want out of the game when I've not even warmed up though?

Pooks you're one of the most paranoid players I know, Why aren't you paranoid around Tanner?
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Post Post #3592 (isolation #252) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:34 am

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quick maths, this started at 4vs9.

2 and 1 gone.
2 vs 7.
2 removed from wincon.

2 vs 5(+1). We need 4 correct eliminations, we can be wrong once and remove scum, we can also have a member of town stay behind.

I've already declared I'm the town staying behind - I know I'm not townread enough to even consider being a successful elimination.

Even when Tanner flips red, Chara still has to go on and disprove me against Yin, and the attitude of this game states it will be successful in this.

Why is Tanner prioritising their own removal now over town wincon?
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Post Post #3593 (isolation #253) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:36 am

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maths did wrong.

4 against 9, 2 and 1 elimed
2 against 8. 1 detonated and 1 removed from pool.
2 against 6. 4 town eliminations required.
2 against 2 is the optimal endgame state.
1 against 2 is the suboptimal endgame state.

Meaning we have 1 misyeet but 2 town who can stay behind.
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Post Post #3594 (isolation #254) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:39 am

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Amy cannot be sentenced. For me right now, I want at least Me, Chara and Tanner left until last. 1 other town with Amy makes it F5.

No matter who we send, as long as thats the plan, we will get green. I am 100% on this. Too confident for town, absolutely. Do I care? no.
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Post Post #3596 (isolation #255) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:01 am

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What reason do you have to believe I'm wrong tweetie?
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Post Post #3598 (isolation #256) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:22 am

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3000 posts, and 3 phases ago.

*slow clap*

Good defence. Impressive even. Scummy worthy maybe?

I know you're capable of being a balls to the wall type of player, and yea you said yourself you're a meme-y openwolf.
Hell I've pull this shit before. And it literally just lol it away, you don't prepare a response because then that's just emotion less. You have to respond with emotion attached or people catch on.

You know how tunnelled I can be, You know I'm not even getting warmed up.

Don't hide behind a censor, because that just tells me you're filling blank space. Either say it, or don't.

Town wincon is currently town gets 4 of their own removed. So whats wrong in joining me in Yolo?
Not just getting yourself removed.
Scum's is, scums is both get yeet. Which requires you getting the early train out, doesn't it?
You know I'm coming >:)
After all, what have you got to lose my humouring me? I can't push for your elimination after all, can I?
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Post Post #3599 (isolation #257) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:23 am

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Time to dip into my scum meta.




Spoiler: Long boi.
In post 77, Tanner wrote:
In post 70, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 62, Ydrasse wrote:fLEA VOTE scum rn
VOTE: Tanner
that's wrong. she said vote
scum
, silly!

in all seriousness, i am interested in the thoughts behind this take.
Looking back at this I'm cracking up.
A joke vote in response to a joke post and the initial waves of worry are crashing out.
In post 130, Tanner wrote:
In post 111, Ircher wrote:Yin hasn't posted yet despite being asked questions. What do people think about that?
was there a point to asking this?

slight town ping on robert, mostly because his intro gives me a vibe similar to my own. ircher feels tonally scummy but i'm not too interested in pushing that right now. if anyone who's town on ydrasse could let me know why, that would be cool.

hmm.
Yin
, how many actual criminals are there in the pit?

(the first person to say "wow, are you scum trying to townslip???" is getting slapped. alright thanks.)
The self-awareness is real.
In post 224, Tanner wrote:
In post 222, Chara wrote:Tanner: your early game kind of pinged, though reminds me of... i want to say Chara's Folly Tanner? but it occurs to me i don't think i read the end of that game and i don't remember if you were scum.
my early game is weak (i cannot find my way around prolonged fluff posting / rvs, though that is nai as both scum! and town!me are awkward as hell there), so that's not surprising. and i was town in chara's folly.
And yet what you've given so far sounds so confident and active, at least on a surface level.
In post 323, Tanner wrote:
In post 251, Robert M Hunter wrote:1. awkward joke trying to get Ydrasse to talk about scum!norwee.
2. challenging Pooky's town read on a player because it's a bit early.
3. prompting and encouraging Satoru to talk about a scum read on Flea.
1. it was not a joke. i thought ydrasse's early vote on norwee was serious (at least as much as an early vote like that can be). when she told me she wouldn't seriously vote norwee for the reason she gave, i just told her i didn't know that.
2. what pooky said - this is a datisi alt. (though i kinda wished to not have it mentioned that fast...)
3. yeah. i was getting scumpings on flea. i wanted to talk about it with another player who said they got the same pings.
In post 251, Robert M Hunter wrote:Three things meant to erode town reads and promote scum reads, because there's nothing that scum hates more than townies with under-developped scum reads on other townies, and strong town reads on townies.

If Tanner flips scum, then Norwee is town, Datisi is town, and Flea is town.
i mean, 1. is saying i didn't know how ydrasse reads norwee, and 2. is eroding a townread on myself... and even if the 3. were correct, i'm literally just talking about a ping i got. and considering i did out some townpings earlier (and one of them was on *you*, so from your pov you'd surely know it can't be scum!me being an idiot just townreading partners and scumreading all townies), this feels confbiased, if not intentionally malicious.
In post 253, Robert M Hunter wrote:
In post 224, Tanner wrote:my early game is weak
Pre-emptive excuse for future scummy play.
...it's the exact opposite? like i'm saying "i struggle in early game when it's mostly rvs, but when the game gets serious, i'll get more townie as i'll actually have something to work with". that's not a pre-emptive excuse for my future scummy play, it's setting expectations for my future townie play.

i don't like these posts from robert. i can understand some early scumreads on myself (i'll be first to tell you i have not gotten into the game yet), but both and feel like throwing shit and seeing what sticks. the "future excuse for scummy play" line legitimately makes no sense. also, the "what" in , considering it was followed by no re-evaluation, kinda feels like scum who got caught not knowing what to do now that their point against their "scumread" was proven false, rather than a townie organically reacting to the development.
Then we got this which fucking lol's at it. Even the acknowledgement alone in here is amazing.
In post 326, Tanner wrote:
In post 267, Morning Tweet wrote:happi scumday hectic

I like Norwe Robert and Infy
maybe i'm biased, but i'm really curious what makes you like robert here. [edit after reading: goes for amy dune too. like, what about robert's posting has been remotely good.]
In post 286, Yin wrote:
In post 130, Tanner wrote:
Yin
, how many actual criminals are there in the pit?
By my count....... four.
so this would imply yin knows how many of us are criminals here? though can't know he's including himself (or yang) in that, and whether he would lie about it. hm.
In post 288, Chara wrote:the cumulus fact does not seem right, but i don't know enough about meteorology to confidently say it's incorrect.
from my 30-second google search, i'd say that it is incorrect. is there any point to even talking with these two?
In post 313, Morning Tweet wrote:i just realized
In post 142, Yang wrote:I don't know who the mafia are.
There's no reason to believe there are mafia in this game, yet. the only distinction Yang has made between good and evil is that goats are baddies and llamas are presumably the opposite

Although, I suppose Yang still told us that Yin is the one who will tell us how to spot the difference. And Yang being able to freely post does support uninformed. Something about the use of "mafia" is irking me though cause i dont think any Silent Star has had mafia in it.
if we're sure that yang is isis (i'm Not Good at alt hunting), then i'm sure yang would at least know the flavour name of the scumteam, considering isis was a reviewer of this game.
In post 325, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 323, Tanner wrote:also, the "what" in 256, considering it was followed by no re-evaluation, kinda feels like scum who got caught not knowing what to do now that their point against their "scumread" was proven false, rather than a townie organically reacting to the development.
Who did Robert think Datisi was in the first place?
considering he thought i was trashing town!pooky's townread on town!datisi... i guess he thought a different player?
Setting up the Yin discredit already.
In post 328, Tanner wrote:VOTE: robert

those posts on me were just bad. i can kind of excuse if i squint, considering he didn't know whose alt this is (but also not really because point 1. is still awful), but the stretch of "tanner is excusing his future play!!" and the fact he's shown zero nuance in thinking about his read on me after learning that some of his points were moot... yeah no.

flea is currently next on my list. i got excited seeing , thinking it's actually gonna be a game related catch-up, and instead it was just... mech filler. faer only real read so far has been "tanner gut"... not vibing.

other people that i dislike so far are ydrasse and amy dunne - for kind of similar reasons i guess? ydrasse has still not really Done anything, and Amy's posts seem to be forced posting for the sake of posting.

(i can already hear robert typing how i'm blocking townread on a lot of people - yes, i am. these people aren't being townie. they deserve to get called out.)

norwee and tweetie seem like they're not internally screaming when they're posting, so i'll call those a townlean. pooky is not giving me evil vibes for once, and i don't know what that means, but i'm running with it for now. also ircher seems like he gives absolutely zero shits so, in the absence of proper townreads, i'm calling that a townlean for now too. i think everyone else is too close to the null line to go one way or the other for me.
This is beautiful. Daitsi knows how deep my catchups can go, and knows my catchup style is either intermittent post, or wall'o'fluff. Also note the "mech filler" comment.
I'm pretty sure Daitsi also knows how I can utilise mech, hell I turned a loyal 1-shot neighbouriser into a 1-shot cop AND left enough crumbs to build the witches house previously. (Still proud of that, Pooky you should remember that too seeing as it was your slot I damned. )
The other thing I like about this post, is the misyeet setups happening here.
I'm town, so is Ydrasse and Amy. "For similar reasons". I'm mech fluffing, Ydrasse "has not really done anything" and Amys posts are posted for the sake of posting.
There is not any scum mentioned in this post. Either confirmed or mech'd. Bearing in mind Nakata and Infinity were both lurking it out and I don't recall Chara being the most active either.
In post 336, Tanner wrote:
In post 334, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 328, Tanner wrote:ircher seems like he gives absolutely zero shits so, in the absence of proper townreads, i'm calling that a townlean for now too.
Inactivity makes you townlean them? Why?
it's not inactivity, it's the random pop-ins, giving his thoughts, then fucking off and not sweating about the pressure on him. i will admit that i don't actually know whether that's +town for ircher, but as said - in the absence of people acting townie, i'm fine going for a weaker reason to townlean someone.

pedit: i didn't mean just from today. random pop-ins to give his thoughts (, ) while not caring about the wagon/pressure on him strikes me as somewhat more likely to come from town.
"people aren't acting townie so amma pull reads outta my butt."

OK not as bad as I'm making out, but ya know, subtle signs are as important as the big ones.
In post 344, Tanner wrote:
In post 342, Flea The Magician wrote:why is not getting killed so important?
because i'm town, and i don't want the town to waste a yeet on me.
Gone from "You absolutely should not yeet me." to "Just fucking yeet me and get me out of the game".

So far this stinks of a desperate and deepwolf setup.
In post 355, Tanner wrote:
In post 347, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 344, Tanner wrote:
In post 342, Flea The Magician wrote:why is not getting killed so important?
because i'm town, and i don't want the town to waste a yeet on me.
I thought you meant not getting NK'ed.
But you was saying you didn't want to get limmed?
yeah, my "i need help not getting killed" in was referencing the fact i had a grand total of *gasp* 3 votes on me at one time, and that i don't wish to eat the yeet. i will neither confirm nor deny whether i want to die by nightkill.
in fairness, context was based around eliminations. but like he said, a grand total of *gasp* 3 votes on him. He wasn't even half way to yeet, so why the survivalist attitude? Because the deepwolf setup is failing a little, maybe?
In post 360, Tanner wrote:
yin
, are you a criminal?

i'm not sure if there's a point asking this, considering we don't know if he's telling the truth either way, but that then goes for all questions, sooo.
Hey look another mech discredit attempt.
In post 451, Tanner wrote:
In post 371, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 344, Tanner wrote:
In post 342, Flea The Magician wrote:why is not getting killed so important?
because i'm town, and i don't want the town to waste a yeet on me.
hmmm....
is there a meaning behind this "hmmm"?
In post 391, clidd wrote:Amy is officially a townlean now.
was this caused by /? if so, what gave you a townlean?

for the record, amy is giving me a townie vibe as well, but i can't put my finger on it.

i kiiinda wanna townlean ydrasse for ? i have no idea what happened in ms rpg, but i've been getting the feeling that infinity sounds "...?" too. though i'm not exactly the best at reading infinity myself so /shrug. by the time i finished reading, the "...?" feeling on infinity has disappeared and has been replaced with "yeah ok i have no clue how to read her i will just ignore her for now and hope someone else does", but i'll keep that townlean on ydra.

i am
not
getting any townie pings on clidd this game, which i think is somewhat concerning, considering that every game with him so far (that i was town and thus had to read him), he'd give me those townie pings and he was town?

ok friends are calling me, i got to go so i will finish the rest of this a bit quicker - liking tweetie's posts bc energy but also not really worrying about her as she's one of my "will probably stop being so townie later if scum" reads, and i'm also liking chara for ??? reasons idk i'm probably playing with fire here, i've heard spicy things about its scumgame ok cool bye
The defensive strikes again. Almost like my rep proceeds me. Tanners already rattled I got the sus on him.
In post 453, Tanner wrote:
In post 451, Tanner wrote:i am not getting any townie pings on clidd this game, which i think is somewhat concerning, considering that every game with him so far (that i was town and thus had to read him), he'd give me those townie pings and he was town?
actually before i go, i just remembered that is a lie, he did fool me once. but also i'm still not getting any townie pings from him this game so take it as you will.
Literally just sus of everyone lol.
In post 487, Tanner wrote:
In post 472, clidd wrote:It would be interesting for us to discuss your read on Robert when you have time. Something tells me he's someone like ''town acting erratic/sporadic'' but not ''scum planning a push''.
it's 2am and i have a headache (an actual one, not related to this game) so i'll likely sleep soon, but i'm not sure i've got anything to say here that i've not already said. his points on me just felt really reachy. and while i know that is not necessarily scum!indicative of itself, the fact that he froze and stopped posting once he found out one of his points is moot, as opposed to started re-evaluating his push... i don't like it. it's not a slam dunk case in any way (and i'm not pretending it is), but it's the best i got so far.

i noticed you started off saying he's scumpinging you, then later on you said you don't vibe with his wagon - have you explained what changed your mind here?
Scumreading someone but not vibing with the wagon are two very different things. You can solidly scumread someone and not vibe with the wagon. How else do you find associatives?
In post 545, Tanner wrote:
In post 490, clidd wrote:@Tanner

Initially he pinged me as scummy, but after I started theorizing about his course of action in a scum!Robert scenario, it didn't make much sense that he specifically selected you to push, mostly because of the cost-benefit.

He attracted a lot of attention to himself and ignored your town ping on him to go into a 1v1. If you were the one who went to him first, it would make more sense for scum!him to respond appropriately with a scumread, but he was the one who went after you and started the conflict, which is why I don't see a plausible *scum motivation* in his actions (and made me reconsider the initial impression on him).
i don't really see the issue with cost-benefit - at the time of his push, i was a relatively popular scumread, having a few votes on me and not having gotten into the game yet. so not like my "vague townping on robert" was worth much of anything or like he had much to lose there. besides, he's not familiar with my game, i wouldn't say it's unlikely that scum!him thought i was a relatively easy townie to push, not being aware that a shitpush on my slot is exactly what i needed to wake up.
In post 492, clidd wrote:Freeze after lighting a spark between the two of you would also be terrible for his credibility. Would scum!Robert just not care about that?
i don't think it's an issue of not caring, i think it's an issue of not *knowing* how to respond to the new information because he was hoping his push on me would be enough to show that he's solving, at least for the time being. like, look at his recent posts, does this look like a townie who's genuinely evaluating the game:
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In post 327, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Why did Robert think Datisi was in the game and which player?
This seems like something we should really know.
I don't know any Datisi, Pooky brought something up about a Datisi and I I get this, Datisi and Tanner are the same player?
well first of all, this is a lie, you played in a game i modded, but giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you've genuinely forgotten about me - the second part still feels off. it has been confirmed multiple times, by me as well, that this is an alt of datisi. again, one of the major points about why i'm scum (shutting down townreads of other people) has been showed to be moot (as i was shutting down a townread of myself), and there's no explanation or response from him, just more playing dumb. he's obviously not bothering to even *read* my response to him.
In post 505, Robert M Hunter wrote:I see people what to eliminate me on day 1 again. I take that to mean I'm right about Tanner being scum.
this also makes no sense. like, unless this is trying to say that i'm scum, and i panicked, and i told all my scumbuddies to immediately dogpile on robert... what is this even supposed to mean?
I didn't like this when i saw it, honestly.
Strawmanning. "Everyone wants me limmed so I'm on to something here" does not equate the implication that you, a known mafia veteran, would panick and ask your buddies to dogpile. Given your buddies are Nakata, Infy and Chara, they all know better anyway. This is a BAD reaction.
In post 547, Tanner wrote:
In post 509, Amy Dunne wrote:Seriously? Clidd is probably my strongest tr so far.
good for you, was there a point in posting this? (also, please don't quote full wallposts if you're gonna respond to one line. highlight the relevant part, then quote.)
In post 512, Amy Dunne wrote:I think Robert’s probably town. Town!TSE made a very similar kind of slip in a game he was in.
for one, robert is (probably) not tse, but do you maybe want to link this?
In post 525, NorwegianboyEE wrote:The mechanics And purpose behind the Yin and Yang players aren’t clear enough for me to just blindly assume something like there has to be scum in me/Chara/Pooky just because of something Yin said.
+1. yin said he's a thief. until we have more info as to what the hell his role is here, i don't think we should be listening to what he's saying.
besides, i highly *highly* doubt hectic + isis would make a game where townies can just ask an npc for who the scum is, and that they would give an honest answer.


also saying this right now, if robert ever flips scum this game, nakata is locktown and i'm deathtunnelling ydrasse until one of us is dead.
More Yin discrediting. There's not even a thought Yin could be accurate here. Note also the defence of a buddy and threat towards a townie.
Oh, and eat my wall post. Context is key and I'm leaving nothing out. Bold is mine btw.
Scum know the setup. Just like last time, we had a major effect against us.
I'll say it again.
Occams Razor is an amazing concept for a game.
and I fully expect Hectic and Isis to troll the collective orbs off the player base by placing such a mechanic in a
Silent Star game which are known for screwy as all hell mechanics!

In post 552, Tanner wrote:
In post 549, Chara wrote:i think Yin said he's a thief because the character he's being is a phantom thief.
right. i still don't think it overrides my other points, that we genuinely have no clue what his role is and whether he'd be truthful to us.

yin
, is yang a criminal?

pedit: i vaguely remember seeing town!robert act a bit more freely in the game i modded, but (1) been a while ago and (2) not like i was putting in effort into reading him there. i'll try to skim his completed games at some point to see if anything interesting pops up. maybe. idk i hate meta research.
Discrediting Yin but still interacting? Interesting.
In post 557, Tanner wrote:
In post 555, Chara wrote:does playing on a different account help with that?
so far, yeah. but i've never made it to endgame with this account, which is usually where my nerves really go off the rails, so remains to be seen.

ay yo ircher, wanna place an actual vote on someone?
First time for everything, right?
In post 573, Tanner wrote:
In post 570, Flea The Magician wrote:I have suspisions.
do you plan actually talking about this?
I am pretty messed up on heat and medication at this point. and seeing as it's come up elsewhere, I'm on non-opioids because oh boy do I react to those, I take a mixture of Naproxen(Aleve) and Pregabalin(Lyrica) day to day, with Nefopam(Acupan) on the bad days which leaves me super messed up. (Why Americans call everything by brand name will always confuse me.)

ircher wagon feels like a wagon on a townie who's being weird. and distracting from a buddy who's caught with their pants down but people are giving them a pass because "???" "what if they're lhf".
In post 576, Tanner wrote:
In post 574, Flea The Magician wrote:Nothing much to say beyond people who are survivalist give me the heebies.
the most survivalistic bastard you'll see in a game, nice to meet you.

pedit: didn't see anything that shows they can't both be scum. that's just what my gut is telling me right now.
The thing I hate is people always want a case of STRONG points, never lots of weak ones. Even when the weak ones massively outweigh any solid town reasoning. Survivalism is the biggest one. Most town I know don't care about being elim'd as long as their information gained is decent.
In post 578, Tanner wrote:i'm not going "two competing wagons must be t/s" > "robert is the scum, ircher is the town".
i'm going "i'm scumreading robert and i'm vaguely townie on ircher" > "their wagons are competing, i think they're t/s"
Speaking of weak, order of operations is something I'm using as part of my toolset rn, and seeing how it helps me. That second line to me reads as Robert Town, Ircher scum.
This is just a general note for me to call back to at some point for my own universial shenangians.
In post 592, Tanner wrote:
In post 579, Chara wrote: does make it sound like it has to do with Robert scum. which, sure, i could see it.
where do you get town for Ircher? he's been pretty null for me. maybe a little townier for the response to you asking him to vote and Ircher sitting on his Yin vote instead.
err, yeah, my current guess is that scum would want to subscribe to the easy ircher wagon. but i'm not saying it's impossible robert and ircher are both scum (or both town).

i talked about it in and . like, he started receiving pressure, and instead of doing traditionally townie things he kept doing his own thing? i thought that was somewhat townie.
Not everyone responds to pressure. Generally unless you know a players meta it's NAI. As scum I flail like a beast under pressure, as town I'm next to usless under pressure too. it's just how I am, I'm more reflexive than active.
In post 594, Tanner wrote:i'd have hoped seeing so many pedits of ydrasse screaming how ircher is a bad vote would've made me think she's town, but they did not. sad.
"Aww Ydrasse didn't give me a reason to townread her."
In post 619, Tanner wrote:
In post 616, Chara wrote:i mean, i agree that Ircher has some votes, but it feels early to say he's an easier wagon when iirc Robert had the same amount or more (at least 3, by my count), and i believe i make three on Ircher.
my point is that scum want an easy wagon on a townie. and i don't think robert is a townie. therefore robert *cannot* be an easy wagon at all.

also considering how much discussion on robert there is, and many people are going "hurr durr lhf" (while ircher is picking votes up effortlessly), robert doesn't feel like an easy wagon at all.
Thing is optimal scumplay is never to take the easy wagon D1. But to derail it.
In post 682, Tanner wrote:have you read what i've written about robert and why i'm voting him? i saw you earlier asking that there was a robert thing, and like. what do you think of my case?
I'm in ISO right now and WHAT CASE!? THERE IS NO CASE HERE.
In post 685, Tanner wrote:actually i don't care enough about it, hopefully he's gonna come back and make his alignment really obvious, one way or another.

why you voting chara, pooky?
Literally the entire case is a meta read. Amazing. And one you're not even that bothered about.
In post 688, Tanner wrote:
In post 687, Flea The Magician wrote:Case on robert is hes been caught in a lie about knowing mains/alts
it's not. my main points against him are the garbage push he made on me, then freezing / not knowing how to react once the information about alts came to light (second part of ).
This is 100% absolute horse crap. Your case was entirely meta based and backed up with ketchup/catsup pretending to be hot sauce. I wanted to feel a burn, all I felt was sweet tanginess.
In post 796, Tanner wrote:
In post 705, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 552, Tanner wrote:pedit: i vaguely remember seeing town!robert act a bit more freely in the game i modded, but (1) been a while ago and (2) not like i was putting in effort into reading him there. i'll try to skim his completed games at some point to see if anything interesting pops up. maybe. idk i hate meta research.
That would be really helpful.
debatable. second-hand meta usually just makes me tunnel what i already think. and you'd think that would stop me from saying "i should do meta research" but it does not.

do you plan on linking that "slip" from tse?
In post 769, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Tanner i’m very interested in your response now.
here's a take - i see absolutely nothing town-indicative in what robert has posted in his return.

upon getting back, he started getting pissy, doing the most surface-level omgus. he repeated not once, not twice, but three times that he's mad he's being wagoned for "not knowing alt accounts". i explicitly said that i don't give a shit he didn't know who i am - my problem is that his original attack on me and his reaction upon learning about the alt both reek of scum. his original points on me were garbage, and he has showed no re-evaluation of my slot upon learning the new info. even now! he chose to completely ignore me and what i'm saying (and why i'm voting him) and instead just go omgus someone else. you'd think town!him would, i don't know, at least *address* his read on me (you know, the thing that got him into this mess in the first place) by this point?

why the hell are people reading him as town? because he got mad? like, ircher called him out, he wasn't doing jack shit other than being mad and insisting he's being wagoned for not knowing alts. that's not town-indicative behaviour. and the "it's obvious i won't make it to night so people defending me are suspicious" like, you had 3 votes as an early day wagon, who the hell are you kidding by pretending to think your yeet is already set in stone?
Kinda like you're getting a lil shirty with my single handed push on you? That I've been sus on you the entire game? That you know by my rep I tunnel and its rare I stop? how about your points? Your persistent meta, using that he got caught out by not remembering every player and alts in a game he played in? Showed no-revaluation because why would he? Who you are had nothing to do with this push on you that I recall, I may be wrong.
Theres something amazing here though.
you had 3 votes as an early day wagon, who the hell are you kidding by pretending to think your yeet is already set in stone?
Coming from the wonder defender. Beautiful.
In post 805, Tanner wrote:
In post 803, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks that friend Tanner is likely town.
could Nakata elaborate on this?
Do I smell a connection? A forced interaction?
It smells either way.
In post 855, Tanner wrote:VOTE: infinity
Literally 3 posts before this with Infinity interactions/mentions.
"BE YEET FRIEND! I WILLST SEE THOU AGAINST SOON!"
In post 868, Tanner wrote:for the record - i still would prefer to yeet robert. but i see everyone is going by the "he came back and *gasp* made posts and showed emotion, obviously town!!" logic, so.

i'm back to thinking amy is on the scummier side of things. i don't know why, but some of her recent posting feels like she's not happy to be here. (before you ask why i voted infinity - because i'm not townreading her either and there was already a vote on her.)

however, while i was starting to feel better feelings about nakata, feels slightly off to me, specifically the last line. like, i get the idea behind "forcing townbloccs is +scum behaviour", but, that's a *big* part for why you're voting your preferred scumread? i dunno.

tl;dr, reads probably being trash.
Pretty sure this vote is weaker than an RVS vote, and the disclaimer is here again.

I think Tanner is nervous scum :mrgreen: Once again we have the self-aware "oh woe is unto me, my reads! They are trash! so low as to even be unworthy of pigs muck!"
-Dramatisation by me. Im that way out currently :3
In post 877, Tanner wrote:i will be doing absolutely zero second-hand meta research, thanks.

how is it supposed to be "obvious" you're town here? you're not being townie.
No but you expect us to. And pretty obvious to you I'd imagine.
In post 995, Tanner wrote:that amy/nakata back and forth was so unpleasant to read, what the fuck.
In post 947, Amy Dunne wrote:Tanner, what makes you think I’m unhappy to be here? I’m really excited about this game, so I really don’t understand where you’re getting that from?
your recent posts before my felt kind of bland and boring. and felt scummy. i'm not too certain about your being scum right now though, recent posting felt better. i'll probably shelf it back to think about it later, as i doubt you're getting run up anyway.

clidd is probably town. also (now that i'm actually reading it and not sleepily skipping over it) does feel like town ydrasse. i don't think i agree with the idea that scum!infinity > scum!nakata, but i wouldn't be *terribly* surprised i was wrong there. to me it feels obvious why nakata isn't extending the same mentality from robert to infinity, and i guess i don't really find it scummy, but this is probably better left for him to answer.
Posts are bland and boring (been reading his own apparently), there's a scummy post but behold! He is upon the fence! Amy is an established SR of Tanners at this point from the gist of the posts, so this jarrs me a little bit. "i'll shelf it for now because you're not getting run up anyway" - I hate this, I hate this so much. Why not case a scumread and get it going? At least establish it? And before you say anything, I've been on you all dang game.
In post 1006, Tanner wrote:
In post 1002, Amy Dunne wrote:To be completely honest, you actually haven’t been very nice to me so far. I have no idea why?
I don’t see why 844 was scummy. That’s typical how I solve. I’m just trying to figure out who to vote for. If this game was based on who I absolutely would not vote for, this game would be hella easier.
apologies if i've been rude anywhere, but i don't think suspecting you to be scum or asking you why you're posting something is not being nice? we're playing mafia.

felt like trying to paint non-scummy things as coming from scum. like, the "if he's so certain on robert!scum, why pivot to tweetie" part felt kind of intentionally trying to make his actions more malicious then they really are.
How do you solve? Normally I can work out how someone plays and see their style. You're not scumhunting, you're not town hunting. You're not hunting at all that I can see, not even reflexivly.
In post 1010, Tanner wrote:you quoted my wall where i said i thought clidd was scummy to say "really? he's one of my strongest townreads" without explaining why you think so, asking for my reasons, or trying to change my mind. that's a scummy post that adds nothing to the table while attempting to make it look like you're contributing something. so i asked what was the point of posting it.

your constant "oh i'm so frustrated, i don't have a strong scumread, i don't know where to vote, woe is me" are really starting to sound fake.
In post 1016, Tanner wrote:saying "i don't know who to vote and i don't wanna misyeet" is one of the easiest things to fake as scum. it also adds literally nothing to the conversation. the longer you keep that act up, the more fake it gets, and i'm gonna call you out on it.
I'm cracking up again, your efforts so far have been so half assed that you can call someone out is amazing.
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Post Post #3600 (isolation #258) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:25 am

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I haven't even looked at the full ISO and I'm seeing very little of a townie mindset here.

Humour me people, you lose nothing by keeping me, Tanner and Chara back with Amy.
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Post Post #3602 (isolation #259) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:21 am

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It's not a case really, otherwise I'd just pick the excerpts.

It's a showing my thinking around Tanner. And no, Tanner is not getting the votes today, neither are you. We're all having a Yolo party.
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Post Post #3604 (isolation #260) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:32 am

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Tell me what you're expecting to see then Chara.

Because a scumcase and me showing my thinking are two different things, even with a 99% overlap.
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Post Post #3611 (isolation #261) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:13 am

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In post 3606, Chara wrote:
In post 3604, Flea The Magician wrote:Tell me what you're expecting to see then Chara.

Because a scumcase and me showing my thinking are two different things, even with a 99% overlap.
i made that post because discrediting Yin is in no way shape or form scum indicative when Yin is literally scum and detonated Ircher. that was my whole point. i don't care about your scumcase because it's based on Tanner and me being scum because Yin said so. i don't know if you're scum or town but if you are town i see 0 way we come to an agreement ever without flipping me or Tanner or flipping scum outside of us.
Yin is singled mindedly pushing scum objectives, all the way through.

Scum objective is to get eliminated, Yin has given us all the information to push that scum objective.
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Post Post #3615 (isolation #262) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:24 am

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In post 3608, Tanner wrote:re 3598: the point wasn't *when* you called me survivalistic. the point was the fact that you did so at all shows that you have no clue about who i am or how i play. and your solve is wrong. why the fuck would i join that?

it's been a while since i've seen a wall that bad but here we go. i'm not even gonna spoiler this, i got to suffer reading this, others get to too.
Context is incredibly fucking important. What do you lose from me, you, chara and someone else being in YOLO with Amy?

Until I'm proven wrong on Yin, I'm right. Evidence backs me.


But hey lets go wall for wall, I've been looking forward to this. mwahahahah.
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Post Post #3625 (isolation #263) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:22 pm

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In post 3617, Tanner wrote:
In post 3615, Flea The Magician wrote:Context is incredibly fucking important. What do you lose from me, you, chara and someone else being in YOLO with Amy?
(1) lylo is a fucking nightmare and i prefer to avoid that shit like the plague. (2) if both scum are outside of that, we lose. (because frankly i don't have too much faith in you breaking out of your yin tunnel even if we flip a scum outside the criminals because you're already finding every single thing i did in this game scummy and i bet you could do the same for chara.) (3) if there's 1 scum in that, i have to scream at someone while the deciding vote will be a townie who scumreads me. no thanks.

1) yup. Unlucky
2) The moment 1 scum is found outside of that, then my process is proven wrong and it's aborted. Simple as. Something called bias means I can find exactly what I want to find in your posts if I wanted to.
3) Deciding vote goes to Amy, ultimately.


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Post Post #3626 (isolation #264) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:22 pm

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In post 3621, Tanner wrote:
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:good for them, i'm not like most town.
i thought of better / more recent examples of town!me caring very much about the possibility being yeeted if you care.
Spoiler:
In post 497, Datisi wrote:i'm always concerned about being scumread. my no1 mission in any game, regardless of my role (save rolling a confirmable town PR, and sometimes even then) is to project town as much as possible. i do not like getting executed.
In post 632, Datisi wrote:and because i *will* shriek my lungs out when you start dragging me to the yeetotine (i can't believe i just typed that with my own two hands) and it will not be pleasant
but that's second hand meta... something you despise so much?
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Post Post #3642 (isolation #265) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:41 pm

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In post 3608, Tanner wrote:re : the point wasn't *when* you called me survivalistic. the point was the fact that you did so at all shows that you have no clue about who i am or how i play. and your solve is wrong. why the fuck would i join that?

it's been a while since i've seen a wall that bad but here we go. i'm not even gonna spoiler this, i got to suffer reading this, others get to too.
Guess I'm kinder than you.

Spoiler: I AM THE ONE.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 77, Tanner wrote:
In post 70, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 62, Ydrasse wrote:fLEA VOTE scum rn
VOTE: Tanner
that's wrong. she said vote
scum
, silly!

in all seriousness, i am interested in the thoughts behind this take.
Looking back at this I'm cracking up.
A joke vote in response to a joke post and the initial waves of worry are crashing out.
"tanner? asked someone about their read on him?? while trying to get out of rvs??? scum"
Something spikey...
something asking about an agenda...
asking about how serious a vote is.

All entirely different from what just happened here.
You didn't ask, did you?
You mused, pondered and expressed. But didn't ask. In all the examples, you ask.
Oh sorry, the first one you were insistant. My bad.
NEEEXT.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 130, Tanner wrote:
In post 111, Ircher wrote:Yin hasn't posted yet despite being asked questions. What do people think about that?
was there a point to asking this?

slight town ping on robert, mostly because his intro gives me a vibe similar to my own. ircher feels tonally scummy but i'm not too interested in pushing that right now. if anyone who's town on ydrasse could let me know why, that would be cool.

hmm.
Yin
, how many actual criminals are there in the pit?

(the first person to say "wow, are you scum trying to townslip???" is getting slapped. alright thanks.)
The self-awareness is real.
oh gee oh boy self-awareness. the fucking self awareness. never heard that one before, i definitely didn't have an entire case written out on town!me in TM because of my jokey self-awareness. (second part of the post.)
Oh look more meta defence.
Self-awareness is something I have, and I'm familiar with.
The difference is in how its utilised and managed.
You outright cover your tracks here.
I'm aware I look scummy af in this game.
Difference is, I don't care.

In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 224, Tanner wrote:
In post 222, Chara wrote:Tanner: your early game kind of pinged, though reminds me of... i want to say Chara's Folly Tanner? but it occurs to me i don't think i read the end of that game and i don't remember if you were scum.
my early game is weak (i cannot find my way around prolonged fluff posting / rvs, though that is nai as both scum! and town!me are awkward as hell there), so that's not surprising. and i was town in chara's folly.
And yet what you've given so far sounds so confident and active, at least on a surface level.
yes. my early game is weak in a sense that i struggle appearing town if the game is full of joking and has no ai material, and my reads suffer as a consequence too. but i will present them with confidence anyway, there is no reason not to.
Then make AI material. You've given me links above showing you trying to break RVS, so you clearly know what you're doing there.

In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 323, Tanner wrote:
In post 251, Robert M Hunter wrote:1. awkward joke trying to get Ydrasse to talk about scum!norwee.
2. challenging Pooky's town read on a player because it's a bit early.
3. prompting and encouraging Satoru to talk about a scum read on Flea.
1. it was not a joke. i thought ydrasse's early vote on norwee was serious (at least as much as an early vote like that can be). when she told me she wouldn't seriously vote norwee for the reason she gave, i just told her i didn't know that.
2. what pooky said - this is a datisi alt. (though i kinda wished to not have it mentioned that fast...)
3. yeah. i was getting scumpings on flea. i wanted to talk about it with another player who said they got the same pings.
In post 251, Robert M Hunter wrote:Three things meant to erode town reads and promote scum reads, because there's nothing that scum hates more than townies with under-developped scum reads on other townies, and strong town reads on townies.

If Tanner flips scum, then Norwee is town, Datisi is town, and Flea is town.
i mean, 1. is saying i didn't know how ydrasse reads norwee, and 2. is eroding a townread on myself... and even if the 3. were correct, i'm literally just talking about a ping i got. and considering i did out some townpings earlier (and one of them was on *you*, so from your pov you'd surely know it can't be scum!me being an idiot just townreading partners and scumreading all townies), this feels confbiased, if not intentionally malicious.
In post 253, Robert M Hunter wrote:
In post 224, Tanner wrote:my early game is weak
Pre-emptive excuse for future scummy play.
...it's the exact opposite? like i'm saying "i struggle in early game when it's mostly rvs, but when the game gets serious, i'll get more townie as i'll actually have something to work with". that's not a pre-emptive excuse for my future scummy play, it's setting expectations for my future townie play.

i don't like these posts from robert. i can understand some early scumreads on myself (i'll be first to tell you i have not gotten into the game yet), but both and feel like throwing shit and seeing what sticks. the "future excuse for scummy play" line legitimately makes no sense. also, the "what" in , considering it was followed by no re-evaluation, kinda feels like scum who got caught not knowing what to do now that their point against their "scumread" was proven false, rather than a townie organically reacting to the development.
Then we got this which fucking lol's at it. Even the acknowledgement alone in here is amazing.
? what are you even talking about here?
This is early game content. Quite strong early game content.
But you're not good early game.
This is probably more a semantics misfire between two people, to be fair.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 326, Tanner wrote:
In post 267, Morning Tweet wrote:happi scumday hectic

I like Norwe Robert and Infy
maybe i'm biased, but i'm really curious what makes you like robert here. [edit after reading: goes for amy dune too. like, what about robert's posting has been remotely good.]
In post 286, Yin wrote:
In post 130, Tanner wrote:
Yin
, how many actual criminals are there in the pit?
By my count....... four.
so this would imply yin knows how many of us are criminals here? though can't know he's including himself (or yang) in that, and whether he would lie about it. hm.
In post 288, Chara wrote:the cumulus fact does not seem right, but i don't know enough about meteorology to confidently say it's incorrect.
from my 30-second google search, i'd say that it is incorrect. is there any point to even talking with these two?
In post 313, Morning Tweet wrote:i just realized
In post 142, Yang wrote:I don't know who the mafia are.
There's no reason to believe there are mafia in this game, yet. the only distinction Yang has made between good and evil is that goats are baddies and llamas are presumably the opposite

Although, I suppose Yang still told us that Yin is the one who will tell us how to spot the difference. And Yang being able to freely post does support uninformed. Something about the use of "mafia" is irking me though cause i dont think any Silent Star has had mafia in it.
if we're sure that yang is isis (i'm Not Good at alt hunting), then i'm sure yang would at least know the flavour name of the scumteam, considering isis was a reviewer of this game.
In post 325, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 323, Tanner wrote:also, the "what" in 256, considering it was followed by no re-evaluation, kinda feels like scum who got caught not knowing what to do now that their point against their "scumread" was proven false, rather than a townie organically reacting to the development.
Who did Robert think Datisi was in the first place?
considering he thought i was trashing town!pooky's townread on town!datisi... i guess he thought a different player?
Setting up the Yin discredit already.
"tanner didn't take everything that yin said as gospel? scum"
Tanner didn't even entertain an obvious mechanic THAT IS IN THE GAMES TITLE and was attempting to discredit said mechanic before it even got in full flow. That's the scummy bit. :)

Spoiler: WHO LOST CONTROL
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 328, Tanner wrote:VOTE: robert

those posts on me were just bad. i can kind of excuse if i squint, considering he didn't know whose alt this is (but also not really because point 1. is still awful), but the stretch of "tanner is excusing his future play!!" and the fact he's shown zero nuance in thinking about his read on me after learning that some of his points were moot... yeah no.

flea is currently next on my list. i got excited seeing , thinking it's actually gonna be a game related catch-up, and instead it was just... mech filler. faer only real read so far has been "tanner gut"... not vibing.

other people that i dislike so far are ydrasse and amy dunne - for kind of similar reasons i guess? ydrasse has still not really Done anything, and Amy's posts seem to be forced posting for the sake of posting.

(i can already hear robert typing how i'm blocking townread on a lot of people - yes, i am. these people aren't being townie. they deserve to get called out.)

norwee and tweetie seem like they're not internally screaming when they're posting, so i'll call those a townlean. pooky is not giving me evil vibes for once, and i don't know what that means, but i'm running with it for now. also ircher seems like he gives absolutely zero shits so, in the absence of proper townreads, i'm calling that a townlean for now too. i think everyone else is too close to the null line to go one way or the other for me.
This is beautiful. Daitsi knows how deep my catchups can go, and knows my catchup style is either intermittent post, or wall'o'fluff. Also note the "mech filler" comment.
I'm pretty sure Daitsi also knows how I can utilise mech, hell I turned a loyal 1-shot neighbouriser into a 1-shot cop AND left enough crumbs to build the witches house previously. (Still proud of that, Pooky you should remember that too seeing as it was your slot I damned. )
The other thing I like about this post, is the misyeet setups happening here.
I'm town, so is Ydrasse and Amy. "For similar reasons". I'm mech fluffing, Ydrasse "has not really done anything" and Amys posts are posted for the sake of posting.
There is not any scum mentioned in this post. Either confirmed or mech'd. Bearing in mind Nakata and Infinity were both lurking it out and I don't recall Chara being the most active either.
ok first of all, the fact that you don't even know how to spell my name shows how much you actually know about me. but anyway - i don't know you. within the mafia side of things, i have had *one* interaction with you, modding a game when you were on an alt. a game that you were town in which was a scum sweep, so forgive me if my impression of your play from that one encounter isn't the best. i've forgotten most of the details from that game (fuck was it boring) so i have no clue what your attempts at mech were there, and i haven't read any of your games otherwise. so no, i have no clue how you utilize mech nor do i care, judging by this game your mechplay is godawful. (if you're town.)

THE MISYEETS SETUPS. in a game that turned out to have the opposite alignment wincons. i'm getting shit on for scumreading town and not trying to get scum yeeted. how much of a brainfart did you have at this part?
I was sure we'd interacted more. That game is my only loss on that account... sad times.
Honestly I'm still recovering from heat exaustion and the brainfarts are stinky. I admit I'm tunnelled.
This still stinks of deepwolf setup, honestly.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 336, Tanner wrote:
In post 334, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 328, Tanner wrote:ircher seems like he gives absolutely zero shits so, in the absence of proper townreads, i'm calling that a townlean for now too.
Inactivity makes you townlean them? Why?
it's not inactivity, it's the random pop-ins, giving his thoughts, then fucking off and not sweating about the pressure on him. i will admit that i don't actually know whether that's +town for ircher, but as said - in the absence of people acting townie, i'm fine going for a weaker reason to townlean someone.

pedit: i didn't mean just from today. random pop-ins to give his thoughts (, ) while not caring about the wagon/pressure on him strikes me as somewhat more likely to come from town.
"people aren't acting townie so amma pull reads outta my butt."

OK not as bad as I'm making out, but ya know, subtle signs are as important as the big ones.
yes. i said it before (let me know if you care about me digging through, i'd guess you don't) i'll say it again, i need anchors in this game. i need *some* reads to orient myself around. if the whole game is acting weird? yeah my standards are gonna lower.
No... no you don't. You have a baseline. if people don't meet that baseline, scumread the lot of them. No mercy.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 344, Tanner wrote:
In post 342, Flea The Magician wrote:why is not getting killed so important?
because i'm town, and i don't want the town to waste a yeet on me.
Gone from "You absolutely should not yeet me." to "Just fucking yeet me and get me out of the game".

So far this stinks of a desperate and deepwolf setup.
??? what? if this is saying that i wanted to get yeeted earlier - no i didn't? that post is obviously saying that i don't? nowhere in Stage One did i say to yeet me??

if this is saying that i wanna get yeeted in Stage Two... yes???
Love your ignorance here. It's cute.
You are so assured in that you are town, and your ability as town... that you are apparently 100% vital to the town wincon.
Remind me again who's wincondition you're playing to?
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 355, Tanner wrote:
In post 347, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 344, Tanner wrote:
In post 342, Flea The Magician wrote:why is not getting killed so important?
because i'm town, and i don't want the town to waste a yeet on me.
I thought you meant not getting NK'ed.
But you was saying you didn't want to get limmed?
yeah, my "i need help not getting killed" in was referencing the fact i had a grand total of *gasp* 3 votes on me at one time, and that i don't wish to eat the yeet. i will neither confirm nor deny whether i want to die by nightkill.
in fairness, context was based around eliminations. but like he said, a grand total of *gasp* 3 votes on him. He wasn't even half way to yeet, so why the survivalist attitude? Because the deepwolf setup is failing a little, maybe?
tanner made a joke about not wanting to get killed because he had a moderate amount of votes on him??? scum????
Tanner made a not-joke to a not-joke response to a not-joke answer.
not a joke. Just a bad smell....


Spoiler: BUT IN THE END
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 360, Tanner wrote:
yin
, are you a criminal?

i'm not sure if there's a point asking this, considering we don't know if he's telling the truth either way, but that then goes for all questions, sooo.
Hey look another mech discredit attempt.
didn't.. take yin.... as gospel?? scu m ?
Tanner... mechanic... bullshit.... O.O
Also thank fuck for Ditto.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 451, Tanner wrote:
In post 371, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 344, Tanner wrote:
In post 342, Flea The Magician wrote:why is not getting killed so important?
because i'm town, and i don't want the town to waste a yeet on me.
hmmm....
is there a meaning behind this "hmmm"?
In post 391, clidd wrote:Amy is officially a townlean now.
was this caused by /? if so, what gave you a townlean?

for the record, amy is giving me a townie vibe as well, but i can't put my finger on it.

i kiiinda wanna townlean ydrasse for ? i have no idea what happened in ms rpg, but i've been getting the feeling that infinity sounds "...?" too. though i'm not exactly the best at reading infinity myself so /shrug. by the time i finished reading, the "...?" feeling on infinity has disappeared and has been replaced with "yeah ok i have no clue how to read her i will just ignore her for now and hope someone else does", but i'll keep that townlean on ydra.

i am
not
getting any townie pings on clidd this game, which i think is somewhat concerning, considering that every game with him so far (that i was town and thus had to read him), he'd give me those townie pings and he was town?

ok friends are calling me, i got to go so i will finish the rest of this a bit quicker - liking tweetie's posts bc energy but also not really worrying about her as she's one of my "will probably stop being so townie later if scum" reads, and i'm also liking chara for ??? reasons idk i'm probably playing with fire here, i've heard spicy things about its scumgame ok cool bye
The defensive strikes again. Almost like my rep proceeds me. Tanners already rattled I got the sus on him.
literally all i did was ask how you're reading me

god forbid i ask someone why they scumread me to try to read them

and again - the only reputation of you i know is you playing town in a game that ended up being a scum roflstomp. so get off your high horse please.
Still rattled you though didn't I?
And no I wont, my god complex is kicking in and frankly trying to stop that is like trying to stop a speeding train with ya pinky.
It's a toxic behaviour I know, I try and focus it elsewhere when I can.

Oh and is that a bad link? Because it seems irrelevant to the matter.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 453, Tanner wrote:
In post 451, Tanner wrote:i am not getting any townie pings on clidd this game, which i think is somewhat concerning, considering that every game with him so far (that i was town and thus had to read him), he'd give me those townie pings and he was town?
actually before i go, i just remembered that is a lie, he did fool me once. but also i'm still not getting any townie pings from him this game so take it as you will.
Literally just sus of everyone lol.
"tanner's townread on ircher is bad therefore he's scum"
"but also tanner's scumreading everyone therefore he's scum"
do you hear yourself?
Myself and others, yes. Why?
thing here is it's inconsistant with the rest of your play, you say your bars been lowered, here it hasn't.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 487, Tanner wrote:
In post 472, clidd wrote:It would be interesting for us to discuss your read on Robert when you have time. Something tells me he's someone like ''town acting erratic/sporadic'' but not ''scum planning a push''.
it's 2am and i have a headache (an actual one, not related to this game) so i'll likely sleep soon, but i'm not sure i've got anything to say here that i've not already said. his points on me just felt really reachy. and while i know that is not necessarily scum!indicative of itself, the fact that he froze and stopped posting once he found out one of his points is moot, as opposed to started re-evaluating his push... i don't like it. it's not a slam dunk case in any way (and i'm not pretending it is), but it's the best i got so far.

i noticed you started off saying he's scumpinging you, then later on you said you don't vibe with his wagon - have you explained what changed your mind here?
Scumreading someone but not vibing with the wagon are two very different things. You can solidly scumread someone and not vibe with the wagon. How else do you find associatives?
okay? even if so, why do you have such a problem with me asking clidd for an update on his reads?
Who said there was a problem with the asking?
The phrasing around it is what I'm drawing on.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 545, Tanner wrote:
In post 490, clidd wrote:@Tanner

Initially he pinged me as scummy, but after I started theorizing about his course of action in a scum!Robert scenario, it didn't make much sense that he specifically selected you to push, mostly because of the cost-benefit.

He attracted a lot of attention to himself and ignored your town ping on him to go into a 1v1. If you were the one who went to him first, it would make more sense for scum!him to respond appropriately with a scumread, but he was the one who went after you and started the conflict, which is why I don't see a plausible *scum motivation* in his actions (and made me reconsider the initial impression on him).
i don't really see the issue with cost-benefit - at the time of his push, i was a relatively popular scumread, having a few votes on me and not having gotten into the game yet. so not like my "vague townping on robert" was worth much of anything or like he had much to lose there. besides, he's not familiar with my game, i wouldn't say it's unlikely that scum!him thought i was a relatively easy townie to push, not being aware that a shitpush on my slot is exactly what i needed to wake up.
In post 492, clidd wrote:Freeze after lighting a spark between the two of you would also be terrible for his credibility. Would scum!Robert just not care about that?
i don't think it's an issue of not caring, i think it's an issue of not *knowing* how to respond to the new information because he was hoping his push on me would be enough to show that he's solving, at least for the time being. like, look at his recent posts, does this look like a townie who's genuinely evaluating the game:
In post 502, Robert M Hunter wrote:
In post 327, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Why did Robert think Datisi was in the game and which player?
This seems like something we should really know.
I don't know any Datisi, Pooky brought something up about a Datisi and I I get this, Datisi and Tanner are the same player?
well first of all, this is a lie, you played in a game i modded, but giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you've genuinely forgotten about me - the second part still feels off. it has been confirmed multiple times, by me as well, that this is an alt of datisi. again, one of the major points about why i'm scum (shutting down townreads of other people) has been showed to be moot (as i was shutting down a townread of myself), and there's no explanation or response from him, just more playing dumb. he's obviously not bothering to even *read* my response to him.
In post 505, Robert M Hunter wrote:I see people what to eliminate me on day 1 again. I take that to mean I'm right about Tanner being scum.
this also makes no sense. like, unless this is trying to say that i'm scum, and i panicked, and i told all my scumbuddies to immediately dogpile on robert... what is this even supposed to mean?
I didn't like this when i saw it, honestly.
Strawmanning. "Everyone wants me limmed so I'm on to something here" does not equate the implication that you, a known mafia veteran, would panick and ask your buddies to dogpile. Given your buddies are Nakata, Infy and Chara, they all know better anyway. This is a BAD reaction.
what? "everyone wants me limmed so i'm correct" pretty much implies that scum wants him limmed because he's correct (because surely it doesn't imply that town, who has no idea who is who, would magically want him limmed for having a correct read). even if he didn't think that it was me specifically who told my team to pile on, it still shows the thinking of "scum is piling on me".
There's means and ways to secure a "panic" elimination. Now admittedly this is an inverse objective game, but gotta keep up appearances, right?

Spoiler: I'LL BE THE LAST MAN STANDING.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 547, Tanner wrote:
In post 509, Amy Dunne wrote:Seriously? Clidd is probably my strongest tr so far.
good for you, was there a point in posting this? (also, please don't quote full wallposts if you're gonna respond to one line. highlight the relevant part, then quote.)
In post 512, Amy Dunne wrote:I think Robert’s probably town. Town!TSE made a very similar kind of slip in a game he was in.
for one, robert is (probably) not tse, but do you maybe want to link this?
In post 525, NorwegianboyEE wrote:The mechanics And purpose behind the Yin and Yang players aren’t clear enough for me to just blindly assume something like there has to be scum in me/Chara/Pooky just because of something Yin said.
+1. yin said he's a thief. until we have more info as to what the hell his role is here, i don't think we should be listening to what he's saying.
besides, i highly *highly* doubt hectic + isis would make a game where townies can just ask an npc for who the scum is, and that they would give an honest answer.


also saying this right now, if robert ever flips scum this game, nakata is locktown and i'm deathtunnelling ydrasse until one of us is dead.
More Yin discrediting. There's not even a thought Yin could be accurate here. Note also the defence of a buddy and threat towards a townie.
Oh, and eat my wall post. Context is key and I'm leaving nothing out. Bold is mine btw.
Scum know the setup. Just like last time, we had a major effect against us.
I'll say it again.
Occams Razor is an amazing concept for a game.
and I fully expect Hectic and Isis to troll the collective orbs off the player base by placing such a mechanic in a
Silent Star game which are known for screwy as all hell mechanics!
DEFENSE OF A BUDDY AND AN ATTACK ON A TOWNIE IN A FUCKING REVERSE WINCON GAME ARE YOU SERIOUS

and even then, that was only valid for if robert flipped red - he didn't. and even then, the fact that that only takes place after robert flip, would mean that scum!me would first have to get robert flipped, have him flip green (bad for scum!me's wincon) *then* somehow use that to get even more townies flipped even though that is even worse for scum's wincon like what
Gotta keep up appearances. I wouldn't put it past you, yeah I may be wrong on the experience I have with you, but you strike me as the smart kinda deepwolf. You gotta keep up that appearance.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 552, Tanner wrote:
In post 549, Chara wrote:i think Yin said he's a thief because the character he's being is a phantom thief.
right. i still don't think it overrides my other points, that we genuinely have no clue what his role is and whether he'd be truthful to us.

yin
, is yang a criminal?

pedit: i vaguely remember seeing town!robert act a bit more freely in the game i modded, but (1) been a while ago and (2) not like i was putting in effort into reading him there. i'll try to skim his completed games at some point to see if anything interesting pops up. maybe. idk i hate meta research.
Discrediting Yin but still interacting? Interesting.
not taking yin as gospel but still thinking that there might be value in interacting with him? what is nuance, amirite?
Nuance, as defined by the Merriam Webster, a subtle difference or variation.
You've been out to discredit yin from the start, why bother interacting now? I mean it's clearly for your own amusment at this point as it's nothing exactly constructive you're trying to ask.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 557, Tanner wrote:
In post 555, Chara wrote:does playing on a different account help with that?
so far, yeah. but i've never made it to endgame with this account, which is usually where my nerves really go off the rails, so remains to be seen.

ay yo ircher, wanna place an actual vote on someone?
First time for everything, right?
pointless filler
Welcome to my brain. it has lots of it...
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 573, Tanner wrote:
In post 570, Flea The Magician wrote:I have suspisions.
do you plan actually talking about this?
I am pretty messed up on heat and medication at this point. and seeing as it's come up elsewhere, I'm on non-opioids because oh boy do I react to those, I take a mixture of Naproxen(Aleve) and Pregabalin(Lyrica) day to day, with Nefopam(Acupan) on the bad days which leaves me super messed up. (Why Americans call everything by brand name will always confuse me.)

ircher wagon feels like a wagon on a townie who's being weird. and distracting from a buddy who's caught with their pants down but people are giving them a pass because "???" "what if they're lhf".
In post 576, Tanner wrote:
In post 574, Flea The Magician wrote:Nothing much to say beyond people who are survivalist give me the heebies.
the most survivalistic bastard you'll see in a game, nice to meet you.

pedit: didn't see anything that shows they can't both be scum. that's just what my gut is telling me right now.
The thing I hate is people always want a case of STRONG points, never lots of weak ones. Even when the weak ones massively outweigh any solid town reasoning. Survivalism is the biggest one. Most town I know don't care about being elim'd as long as their information gained is decent.
good for them, i'm not like most town.
Wow thats an old game.
Also I don't see the relevance? you're coaching town a little?
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 578, Tanner wrote:i'm not going "two competing wagons must be t/s" > "robert is the scum, ircher is the town".
i'm going "i'm scumreading robert and i'm vaguely townie on ircher" > "their wagons are competing, i think they're t/s"
Speaking of weak, order of operations is something I'm using as part of my toolset rn, and seeing how it helps me. That second line to me reads as Robert Town, Ircher scum.
This is just a general note for me to call back to at some point for my own universial shenangians.
?
Exactly what I said.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 592, Tanner wrote:
In post 579, Chara wrote: does make it sound like it has to do with Robert scum. which, sure, i could see it.
where do you get town for Ircher? he's been pretty null for me. maybe a little townier for the response to you asking him to vote and Ircher sitting on his Yin vote instead.
err, yeah, my current guess is that scum would want to subscribe to the easy ircher wagon. but i'm not saying it's impossible robert and ircher are both scum (or both town).

i talked about it in and . like, he started receiving pressure, and instead of doing traditionally townie things he kept doing his own thing? i thought that was somewhat townie.
Not everyone responds to pressure. Generally unless you know a players meta it's NAI. As scum I flail like a beast under pressure, as town I'm next to usless under pressure too. it's just how I am, I'm more reflexive than active.
ok, what does this have to do with anything? do you wanna show how using that read makes me scum or...
Ircher doesn't really respond to pressure in my experience.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 594, Tanner wrote:i'd have hoped seeing so many pedits of ydrasse screaming how ircher is a bad vote would've made me think she's town, but they did not. sad.
"Aww Ydrasse didn't give me a reason to townread her."
yes?
It amused me.


Spoiler: I was hoping it would fit in the 4, honestly...
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 619, Tanner wrote:
In post 616, Chara wrote:i mean, i agree that Ircher has some votes, but it feels early to say he's an easier wagon when iirc Robert had the same amount or more (at least 3, by my count), and i believe i make three on Ircher.
my point is that scum want an easy wagon on a townie. and i don't think robert is a townie. therefore robert *cannot* be an easy wagon at all.

also considering how much discussion on robert there is, and many people are going "hurr durr lhf" (while ircher is picking votes up effortlessly), robert doesn't feel like an easy wagon at all.
Thing is optimal scumplay is never to take the easy wagon D1. But to derail it.
okay? this is relevant to my alignment how?[/quote]
:)
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 682, Tanner wrote:have you read what i've written about robert and why i'm voting him? i saw you earlier asking that there was a robert thing, and like. what do you think of my case?
I'm in ISO right now and WHAT CASE!? THERE IS NO CASE HERE.
i don't fucking write cases i wrote one proper scumcase in my life and it was a disaster. but i'd talked about robert plenty of times up until that point and pretending that i didn't make my reasons clear is straight misrep
Well I'm missing them clearly.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 685, Tanner wrote:actually i don't care enough about it, hopefully he's gonna come back and make his alignment really obvious, one way or another.

why you voting chara, pooky?
Literally the entire case is a meta read. Amazing. And one you're not even that bothered about.
it's not. i'd never played with robert before.
But you have modded a game with robert, and previous game is still meta... so it's a meta read.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 688, Tanner wrote:
In post 687, Flea The Magician wrote:Case on robert is hes been caught in a lie about knowing mains/alts
it's not. my main points against him are the garbage push he made on me, then freezing / not knowing how to react once the information about alts came to light (second part of ).
This is 100% absolute horse crap. Your case was entirely meta based and backed up with ketchup/catsup pretending to be hot sauce. I wanted to feel a burn, all I felt was sweet tanginess.
it. was. not. meta. i didn't know jack shit about robert's meta. are we reading the same game?
Apparently not. because i ain't seeing what you're putting down and it certainly ain't blowing my socks off.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 796, Tanner wrote:
In post 705, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 552, Tanner wrote:pedit: i vaguely remember seeing town!robert act a bit more freely in the game i modded, but (1) been a while ago and (2) not like i was putting in effort into reading him there. i'll try to skim his completed games at some point to see if anything interesting pops up. maybe. idk i hate meta research.
That would be really helpful.
debatable. second-hand meta usually just makes me tunnel what i already think. and you'd think that would stop me from saying "i should do meta research" but it does not.

do you plan on linking that "slip" from tse?
In post 769, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Tanner i’m very interested in your response now.
here's a take - i see absolutely nothing town-indicative in what robert has posted in his return.

upon getting back, he started getting pissy, doing the most surface-level omgus. he repeated not once, not twice, but three times that he's mad he's being wagoned for "not knowing alt accounts". i explicitly said that i don't give a shit he didn't know who i am - my problem is that his original attack on me and his reaction upon learning about the alt both reek of scum. his original points on me were garbage, and he has showed no re-evaluation of my slot upon learning the new info. even now! he chose to completely ignore me and what i'm saying (and why i'm voting him) and instead just go omgus someone else. you'd think town!him would, i don't know, at least *address* his read on me (you know, the thing that got him into this mess in the first place) by this point?

why the hell are people reading him as town? because he got mad? like, ircher called him out, he wasn't doing jack shit other than being mad and insisting he's being wagoned for not knowing alts. that's not town-indicative behaviour. and the "it's obvious i won't make it to night so people defending me are suspicious" like, you had 3 votes as an early day wagon, who the hell are you kidding by pretending to think your yeet is already set in stone?
Kinda like you're getting a lil shirty with my single handed push on you? That I've been sus on you the entire game? That you know by my rep I tunnel and its rare I stop? how about your points? Your persistent meta, using that he got caught out by not remembering every player and alts in a game he played in? Showed no-revaluation because why would he? Who you are had nothing to do with this push on you that I recall, I may be wrong.
Theres something amazing here though.
you had 3 votes as an early day wagon, who the hell are you kidding by pretending to think your yeet is already set in stone?
Coming from the wonder defender. Beautiful.
i don't know shit about your rep and i don't care. my points on robert weren't meta and framing them like they were as you're allegedly reading my iso is disingenuous af.
Ooooo I got to you didn't I?
I am reading your ISO, I am sharing my thoughts as they happen. I have not seen ANYTHING that suggests anything other than meta. It's busywork at best.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 805, Tanner wrote:
In post 803, Satoru Nakata wrote:Nakata thinks that friend Tanner is likely town.
could Nakata elaborate on this?
Do I smell a connection? A forced interaction?
It smells either way.
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yes how dare you.
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In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 855, Tanner wrote:VOTE: infinity
Literally 3 posts before this with Infinity interactions/mentions.
"BE YEET FRIEND! I WILLST SEE THOU AGAINST SOON!"
sigh
:3
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 868, Tanner wrote:for the record - i still would prefer to yeet robert. but i see everyone is going by the "he came back and *gasp* made posts and showed emotion, obviously town!!" logic, so.

i'm back to thinking amy is on the scummier side of things. i don't know why, but some of her recent posting feels like she's not happy to be here. (before you ask why i voted infinity - because i'm not townreading her either and there was already a vote on her.)

however, while i was starting to feel better feelings about nakata, feels slightly off to me, specifically the last line. like, i get the idea behind "forcing townbloccs is +scum behaviour", but, that's a *big* part for why you're voting your preferred scumread? i dunno.

tl;dr, reads probably being trash.
Pretty sure this vote is weaker than an RVS vote, and the disclaimer is here again.

I think Tanner is nervous scum :mrgreen: Once again we have the self-aware "oh woe is unto me, my reads! They are trash! so low as to even be unworthy of pigs muck!"
-Dramatisation by me. Im that way out currently :3
letting people know when you're aware that your reads aren't what they should be? what is honesty?
No self-meta to back this one up? Interesting. :D
Peoples reads are generally naff, that's the thing. you're just making excuses here.
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 877, Tanner wrote:i will be doing absolutely zero second-hand meta research, thanks.

how is it supposed to be "obvious" you're town here? you're not being townie.
No but you expect us to. And pretty obvious to you I'd imagine.
no i don't. if i have a second-hand meta point on someone i will present it myself.
And yet...
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 995, Tanner wrote:that amy/nakata back and forth was so unpleasant to read, what the fuck.
In post 947, Amy Dunne wrote:Tanner, what makes you think I’m unhappy to be here? I’m really excited about this game, so I really don’t understand where you’re getting that from?
your recent posts before my felt kind of bland and boring. and felt scummy. i'm not too certain about your being scum right now though, recent posting felt better. i'll probably shelf it back to think about it later, as i doubt you're getting run up anyway.

clidd is probably town. also (now that i'm actually reading it and not sleepily skipping over it) does feel like town ydrasse. i don't think i agree with the idea that scum!infinity > scum!nakata, but i wouldn't be *terribly* surprised i was wrong there. to me it feels obvious why nakata isn't extending the same mentality from robert to infinity, and i guess i don't really find it scummy, but this is probably better left for him to answer.
Posts are bland and boring (been reading his own apparently), there's a scummy post but behold! He is upon the fence! Amy is an established SR of Tanners at this point from the gist of the posts, so this jarrs me a little bit. "i'll shelf it for now because you're not getting run up anyway" - I hate this, I hate this so much. Why not case a scumread and get it going? At least establish it? And before you say anything, I've been on you all dang game.
because why would i? i'm a practical person. it takes time and effort to try to iron out a read, a read that i know that (1) won't do anything because i will not manage to convince people to vote amy anyway (2) would not be as good as it could be if i wait a little and get more info. some people take time to be sorted it's not a bad thing to admit that. not everyone needs to be sorted right away, it's ok to take time and strategize about how to get your own reads. again, shows you know nothing about my play.
Thing is I'm pretty good at picking up peoples playstyle. So far you've been pretty passive about this whole thing.
You're not even being reflexive. you are just full, on, passive. you're not ironing out a read at all, and with enough conviction in a read you can sway peoples minds. This is a game of psychology. Just being confident changes a lot.

Like I said, my god complex (fucking BPD) has kicked in, I am now pretty damned confident in myself and my ability to do what I do. Is it true? Well it won't let me say no... but you get the idea.

Spoiler: *twiddles thumbs*
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 1006, Tanner wrote:
In post 1002, Amy Dunne wrote:To be completely honest, you actually haven’t been very nice to me so far. I have no idea why?
I don’t see why 844 was scummy. That’s typical how I solve. I’m just trying to figure out who to vote for. If this game was based on who I absolutely would not vote for, this game would be hella easier.
apologies if i've been rude anywhere, but i don't think suspecting you to be scum or asking you why you're posting something is not being nice? we're playing mafia.

felt like trying to paint non-scummy things as coming from scum. like, the "if he's so certain on robert!scum, why pivot to tweetie" part felt kind of intentionally trying to make his actions more malicious then they really are.
How do you solve? Normally I can work out how someone plays and see their style. You're not scumhunting, you're not town hunting. You're not hunting at all that I can see, not even reflexivly.
i've been townhunting and scumhunting, but you're been ignoring those posts because "this read is pulled out of his ass" or "he doesn't wanna iron out on this read" or "he hasn't made a proper case on that read" or "this is obvious setting up buddies/townies" so like
Fucking hell is like you looked into the future on me...
In post 3608, Tanner wrote:
In post 3599, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 1010, Tanner wrote:you quoted my wall where i said i thought clidd was scummy to say "really? he's one of my strongest townreads" without explaining why you think so, asking for my reasons, or trying to change my mind. that's a scummy post that adds nothing to the table while attempting to make it look like you're contributing something. so i asked what was the point of posting it.

your constant "oh i'm so frustrated, i don't have a strong scumread, i don't know where to vote, woe is me" are really starting to sound fake.
In post 1016, Tanner wrote:saying "i don't know who to vote and i don't wanna misyeet" is one of the easiest things to fake as scum. it also adds literally nothing to the conversation. the longer you keep that act up, the more fake it gets, and i'm gonna call you out on it.
I'm cracking up again, your efforts so far have been so half assed that you can call someone out is amazing.
yeah i can. i had stances. you didn't like them but they were there.
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*looks around*
Your stances have for the most part been so weak I can blow at them and they'll fall over I reckon.


Look I ain't here to cause beef, I'm here to solve the game.
So far, I'm doing pretty damned good.
If you're town, you got nothing to fear. because my plan will show I'm wrong before we get to Yolo.
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Post Post #3644 (isolation #266) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:42 pm

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wow I really broke that one.
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Post Post #3645 (isolation #267) » Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:43 pm

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In post 3637, Morning Tweet wrote:oh am i being thrown out

That's fine, i was gonna reread when I got home but tbh, just dont let Flea/Chara/clidd out of the game and we win
I have no intention of leaving the game, you're good.
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Post Post #3662 (isolation #268) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:09 am

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In post 3649, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3600, Flea The Magician wrote:I haven't even looked at the full ISO and I'm seeing very little of a townie mindset here.

Humour me people, you lose nothing by keeping me, Tanner and Chara back with Amy.
In post 3645, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3637, Morning Tweet wrote:oh am i being thrown out

That's fine, i was gonna reread when I got home but tbh, just dont let Flea/Chara/clidd out of the game and we win
I have no intention of leaving the game, you're good.
Flea is scum, because this whole I’m not getting limmed thing is disingenuous. Why? Because there is probably one scum in Clidd/Ydra, which would mean that we would then have no choice but to lim in Chara/Tanner/Flea.

I had this wild tin foil theory yesterday that Flea/Tanner was the team because of how certain Flea was and I strongly suspected scum distancing but it really doesn’t look like scum theatre to me and now fae wants to prevent Chara from being limmed as well.

I don’t think Chara is scum and if it is, 100% never with Tanner or it never would have pushed so hard for Tanner to be voted, so that means that Chara/Tanner cannot both be scum and therefore Flea’s insistence on the criminal 100% = scum thing is transparently wrong.

The only thing that makes sense from fae’s case is that apparently Tanner is shit at reading me, because I don’t believe the case is credible.


So, I think so long as Flea never gets yeeted, we probably win.
Prove
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Evidence currently supports me.
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Post Post #3663 (isolation #269) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:10 am

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Also we don't need a case for me to not be eliminated.

Because I'm not being eliminated.

Waste of effort.
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Post Post #3664 (isolation #270) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:11 am

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In post 3652, Amy Dunne wrote:Flea is SvS with one bussing scum in D1 Infinity wagon, it’s so god damned obvious.
I can't wait to see you eat this.
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Post Post #3665 (isolation #271) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:12 am

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Eliminate around me, Tanner and Chara.

That's all I'm asking.

It will prove I'm right or that I'm wildly wrong.
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Post Post #3668 (isolation #272) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:13 am

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In post 3654, Amy Dunne wrote:UNVOTE:

I’m going to unvote because it’s a slam dunk, Pooky and Tweetie are getting sentenced. We have 3 days to figure out the other two.
Hey something we actually agree on.
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Post Post #3669 (isolation #273) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:14 am

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In post 3667, clidd wrote:You're a space-time anomaly in this game, Flea.

Jesus..
Thanks :)
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Post Post #3671 (isolation #274) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:27 am

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oh yeah we were on screw mechanics there werent we..

well the intent was I will happily take the scum read and sit in the corner of "you dun goofed"
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Post Post #3672 (isolation #275) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:28 am

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and your point is made

I'm the scummiest scumfuck to ever scum.

I'm going to fucking laugh at each and every one of you when I'm right though.

VOTE: Tweet

Lets get this rolling and start the end game.
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Post Post #3674 (isolation #276) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:30 am

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I said I'd hammer anything except tanner and chara btw, and I'm 100% this flips green.
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Post Post #3677 (isolation #277) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:32 am

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In post 3675, Tanner wrote:
In post 3649, Amy Dunne wrote:The only thing that makes sense from fae’s case is that apparently Tanner is shit at reading me, because I don’t believe the case is credible.
do you have a problem with my ex-scumread on you, or is this an omgus-y read? because uh, no offense, but i get the idea that you kinda do those more often than you should. (which also. i don't bullshit a scumread on a townie that (1) i know has that reactionary omgus tendency that i (2) then make confirmed town but self-meta weeee)
In post 3654, Amy Dunne wrote:I’m going to unvote because it’s a slam dunk, Pooky and Tweetie are getting sentenced. We have 3 days to figure out the other two.
is there a reason to try to figure out all 4 today? don't get me wrong, i enjoy having tweetie around, so besides having her help.
In post 3656, clidd wrote:For an easy clap Tanner + me chain would be gameover ig after Pooky and MT.
didn't think i'd ever hear clidd say the words "easy clap", but here we are.

also i acknowledge that it is my turn in the Wallpost War i will get to it in a second

flea, are you willing to reveal what your backup plan is for when the mechanics turn out to be incorrect?
Yeah, I have reads.
I've still played tradmaf, but this mechanic isn't tradmaf.
and Yggdrasil bit me hard enough to leave a scar.
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Post Post #3679 (isolation #278) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:32 am

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In post 3676, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3671, Flea The Magician wrote:oh yeah we were on screw mechanics there werent we..

well the intent was I will happily take the scum read and sit in the corner of "you dun goofed"
If there is scum in either Ydra or Clidd and you’re hard opposed to Chara/Tanner, who else does that leave?
There is no scum in Ydra or Clidd.
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Post Post #3681 (isolation #279) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:36 am

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I said I'd hammer anything no Tanner/Chara - and frankly now I'm annoyed people are wasting time casing me when I am literally never leaving the pit.
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Post Post #3683 (isolation #280) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:38 am

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In post 3512, Morning Tweet wrote:I'm guessing if Chara is town then either Pooky or Ydrasse fooled me which smh if so but I think clidd is scum every time

i skimmed and like didnt someone figure out his stances on earlier days make sense with that?

Im kinda judging off these last pages, it rlly seems like ydrasse/pooky/tanner/flea town. I think Chara is making the best of this situation it can though as either alignment

if clidd is town I am lost, there's some theater or something probably I totally missed?? idk
In post 3637, Morning Tweet wrote:oh am i being thrown out

That's fine, i was gonna reread when I got home but tbh, just dont let Flea/Chara/clidd out of the game and we win
Tweeties last will, essentially. I'm happy complying as frankly I still see that as a game winner.
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Post Post #3684 (isolation #281) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:41 am

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Final 5 needs to be me, you, tanner, chara and pooky, and I promise you there will be no red flip before then.
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Post Post #3685 (isolation #282) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:42 am

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In post 3675, Tanner wrote:flea, are you willing to reveal what your backup plan is for when the mechanics turn out to be incorrect?
oh and lets face it, while I have tradmaf reads, my credibility is entirely shot. I become deadweight.
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Post Post #3688 (isolation #283) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:49 am

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pretty sure I just hammered, honestly.
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Post Post #3696 (isolation #284) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:59 am

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In post 3690, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3681, Flea The Magician wrote:I said I'd hammer anything no Tanner/Chara - and frankly now I'm annoyed people are wasting time casing me when I am literally never leaving the pit.
In post 3679, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3676, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3671, Flea The Magician wrote:oh yeah we were on screw mechanics there werent we..

well the intent was I will happily take the scum read and sit in the corner of "you dun goofed"
If there is scum in either Ydra or Clidd and you’re hard opposed to Chara/Tanner, who else does that leave?
There is no scum in Ydra or Clidd.
How are you this certain?

And if one of them are scum, why wouldn’t you be a possible candidate for sentencing?
Lets face it all I have left at this point is my confidence, cause I got no credibility.
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Post Post #3698 (isolation #285) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:00 am

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In post 3694, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3683, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3512, Morning Tweet wrote:I'm guessing if Chara is town then either Pooky or Ydrasse fooled me which smh if so but I think clidd is scum every time

i skimmed and like didnt someone figure out his stances on earlier days make sense with that?

Im kinda judging off these last pages, it rlly seems like ydrasse/pooky/tanner/flea town. I think Chara is making the best of this situation it can though as either alignment

if clidd is town I am lost, there's some theater or something probably I totally missed?? idk
In post 3637, Morning Tweet wrote:oh am i being thrown out

That's fine, i was gonna reread when I got home but tbh, just dont let Flea/Chara/clidd out of the game and we win
Tweeties last will, essentially. I'm happy complying as frankly I still see that as a game winner.
That means you’re now okay with Tanner?
Absolutely not.
I'm happy to comply doesn't imply that I'm happy to release Tanner.
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Post Post #3700 (isolation #286) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:01 am

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In post 3693, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3688, Flea The Magician wrote:pretty sure I just hammered, honestly.
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I don’t think so because I unvoted because I want to hear her thoughts. Why ram this through?

If Pooky also gets rammed through tomorrow, 100% it’s scum trying to derail his solve.
Fair.

Honestly this is just winding the snot out of me at this point because people keep dangling carrots then kicking me in the proverbials.
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Post Post #3701 (isolation #287) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:01 am

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In post 3699, Amy Dunne wrote:Because other than the Yin thing, what is your case against Chara?

@Flea
Who said I had one?
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Post Post #3705 (isolation #288) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:04 am

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In post 3703, Ydrasse wrote:flea if it’s wearing you down/you don’t have the energy you don’t have to post

i am learning this lesson as well
Tell that to the hyperfocus. I'm trying to replay Pokemon Blue to get all the cheevos and potentially stat to learn speedrunning.

Plus I know for a fact I'll get a "Hah flea froze" read.
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Post Post #3708 (isolation #289) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:06 am

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Pokémon Red/Blue Intl version cheevos - I already missed a missable and I'm about to take Erika on with my level 29 vulpix.

I may or may not have utilised the Mew Glitch to obtain both a mew and a Chansey
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Post Post #3710 (isolation #290) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:07 am

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In post 3709, Tanner wrote:hm. so if the mason pt practically isn't being used for anything right now, why does it exist? either to try to show the difference between yin/yang (or highlight that yang is the good one), or someone else will join it later on too. but "losing" another townie to the masonry seems a bit overkill.
Nightkill mechanic potentially.
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Post Post #3723 (isolation #291) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:26 am

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In post 3716, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3712, Yang wrote:Flea forged all of faer patents of nobility. However, they were forged by a maid who taught herself to write on her own by candlelight. This maid studied countless illustrated books, deciphering the patterns. It was not possible to sneak into the library and be in it overnight unless she skipped dinner hour, so she worked with pangs of hunger. All so that one day she complete her task. Flea every morning would bring her breakfast. Many a day that would make her late to the docks, and the punishment for being late for unloading a cargo was a brawl with the overseer. Fae was strong enough to win the fights, but only won one time, because fae saw in the overseer's eyes that fae would be fired if fae won anymore. So there was a greater measure of pain when so many of these fights were lost. Fae bad to be able to afford the maid's breakfast.

We may use the word forged to describe how the patents of nobility would created, but in this way they are more genuine than perhaps any in the world and Flea is true royalty.
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Post Post #3724 (isolation #292) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:27 am

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In post 3718, Yang wrote:
In post 3705, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3703, Ydrasse wrote:flea if it’s wearing you down/you don’t have the energy you don’t have to post

i am learning this lesson as well
Tell that to the hyperfocus. I'm trying to replay Pokemon Blue to get all the cheevos and potentially stat to learn speedrunning.

Plus I know for a fact I'll get a "Hah flea froze" read.
I speedran pokemon red with Clefable runs because they are fun asfuck. She gets water gun, then STAB mega punch off the bat. Bubble beam real soon. Lt. Surge's gym gives tbolt which is absurdly good obviously. Body slam shows up was too early in the game for its base power so when it has STAB on your carry it's crazy. Eventually there is ice beam. You don't have to feel obligated to do the ohko move glitch crap because Clefable can't learn any of it. No earthquake either but you don't need it. You beat poison with Psychic. Which is from a random guy in a house.

The main thing that makes it more fun than Nidoking runs to me is that she keeps ohkoing in endgames without the fissure cheese you would need to do with Nidoking, and she's much less of a baby when you transition carries off from Squirtle. And running through mt moon and being like "the game doesn't give me access to repel yet, so sad ;) ;) " is so fun. Also she's so cute and the best ever. She's Clefable.
I never did Squirtle or Squirtle Zapdos runs, never would.
Clefable is an absolute tank and easier to obtain than Chansey. STAB Body Slam in Gen1 cheese. Until you realise normal types can't be paralysed by it.
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Post Post #3727 (isolation #293) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:29 am

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also I can't be arsed going into mechspec. So work it out yourselves if its viable or not.
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Post Post #3728 (isolation #294) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:29 am

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In post 3726, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3722, Tanner wrote:lol i use it too clidd, i just found it funny coming from someone like you who gives off such a serious and formal vibe.

and uh yeah, another nightkill would be ridiculous. i'm just brainstorming the reasons that mason pt has for existing, because it doesn't seem like it's very useful right now. and my guess is that things don't just exist for the sake of it.
But Tweetie and Pooky could only be dead masons then and you normally don’t have dead town in a masonry.

Also, why isn’t Ircher in it then? Masonry existed before he was detonated.
Detonated, as in, exploded so nothing remained.
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Post Post #3732 (isolation #295) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:34 am

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In post 3730, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3728, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3726, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3722, Tanner wrote:lol i use it too clidd, i just found it funny coming from someone like you who gives off such a serious and formal vibe.

and uh yeah, another nightkill would be ridiculous. i'm just brainstorming the reasons that mason pt has for existing, because it doesn't seem like it's very useful right now. and my guess is that things don't just exist for the sake of it.
But Tweetie and Pooky could only be dead masons then and you normally don’t have dead town in a masonry.

Also, why isn’t Ircher in it then? Masonry existed before he was detonated.
Detonated, as in, exploded so nothing remained.
If sentenced town was allowed in masonry, wouldn’t Robert be in there then?
I'm going to let you think that over before I even begin to consider answering.
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Post Post #3736 (isolation #296) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:41 am

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In post 3733, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3723, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3716, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3712, Yang wrote:Flea forged all of faer patents of nobility. However, they were forged by a maid who taught herself to write on her own by candlelight. This maid studied countless illustrated books, deciphering the patterns. It was not possible to sneak into the library and be in it overnight unless she skipped dinner hour, so she worked with pangs of hunger. All so that one day she complete her task. Flea every morning would bring her breakfast. Many a day that would make her late to the docks, and the punishment for being late for unloading a cargo was a brawl with the overseer. Fae was strong enough to win the fights, but only won one time, because fae saw in the overseer's eyes that fae would be fired if fae won anymore. So there was a greater measure of pain when so many of these fights were lost. Fae bad to be able to afford the maid's breakfast.

We may use the word forged to describe how the patents of nobility would created, but in this way they are more genuine than perhaps any in the world and Flea is true royalty.
Royalty was scum last SS game.
I was scum last SS game.
Weren’t you also Royalty?
my role name was Assassin.
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Post Post #3737 (isolation #297) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:42 am

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In post 3734, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3732, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3730, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3728, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3726, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3722, Tanner wrote:lol i use it too clidd, i just found it funny coming from someone like you who gives off such a serious and formal vibe.

and uh yeah, another nightkill would be ridiculous. i'm just brainstorming the reasons that mason pt has for existing, because it doesn't seem like it's very useful right now. and my guess is that things don't just exist for the sake of it.
But Tweetie and Pooky could only be dead masons then and you normally don’t have dead town in a masonry.

Also, why isn’t Ircher in it then? Masonry existed before he was detonated.
Detonated, as in, exploded so nothing remained.
If sentenced town was allowed in masonry, wouldn’t Robert be in there then?
I'm going to let you think that over before I even begin to consider answering.
Yes I obviously know it happened before masonry existed, my point here is you say Ircher isn’t viable because detonated, so as a sentenced townie - if that were truly the mechanic, it would be possible. Robert obviously wouldn’t have been sent to the dead thread.

At any rate, it’s pretty much pointless to speculate on this because I seriously doubt Tweetie and Pooky will become a part of it.
How many night kills have we had?
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Post Post #3744 (isolation #298) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:50 am

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In fact I'm just going to cut you off...

Nightkills are mafia controlled. Eliminations are town controlled.

You are (potentially) a nightkill, you cannot leave the pit.

Robert was removed by vote and from the game.
Ircher was detonated and removed from the game.

8 in game, 5+1 vs 2
Remove one. 4+1 vs 2.
kill one. 3+2 vs 2.
remove one. 1+2 vs 2
Kill one. 0+3 vs 2 - scum cannot win. no elimination to secure.

alternative.

8 in game. 5+1 vs 2
Mislim. 5+1 vs 1
Kill. 4+2 vs 1
Elim. 3+2 vs 1.
Kill. 3+3 vs 1.
Elim 2+3 vs 1.
Kill 1+4 vs 1
Coinflip.

The above is speculation only.
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Post Post #3749 (isolation #299) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:58 am

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Forgot entirely about Norwee. Interesting.
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Post Post #3752 (isolation #300) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:01 am

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Yin stopped answering questions the moment the wincon was revealed.
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Post Post #3770 (isolation #301) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:33 am

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In post 3753, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 3146, Yin wrote:
The endless day is over at last. But the acrid smell still burns in the man's nostrils. The heat hasn't left, it just has a new shape.

"You didn't need me at all, did you? Thats what you wanted to say." He spits out the words, knowing he won't get an answer. The show goes on and he's left standing on an empty stage.

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, why did you detonate Ircher?
Birds fly. Fish swim. Worms wiggle in the dirt.
no he answered this...
I'd hardly consider that an answer beyond "Because its what I do."
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Post Post #3784 (isolation #302) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:16 am

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Yin mentioned Roses too, neglecting that in the territories of the War of the Roses, I am a white rose - and proud of that.
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Post Post #3787 (isolation #303) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:51 am

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yeah usually. I was just amused by that.
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Post Post #3801 (isolation #304) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:49 am

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In post 3796, Chara wrote:i feel like if Flea actually wanted faer solve to go through fae would be doing something besides scumcase Tanner. scumcasing me, or towncasing clidd, because clidd also needs to be town for faer solve to be right.
My solve has error room allowing for that, so why don't me, clidd, you and Tanner have a YOLO party with Amy?
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Post Post #3802 (isolation #305) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:50 am

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In post 3800, Chara wrote:not really a glee. it's more that there's a lot town Flea could be doing here that fae isn't. i think fae is perfectly aware of faer town meta.
I'm aware of my meta enough to know my scum game is a lot stronger than my town game.
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Post Post #3804 (isolation #306) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:11 am

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In post 3803, Chara wrote:i'm more confident in Tanner being town than Ydrasse right now.

also if you're trying to say that scum you wouldn't be being scumread like you are now, i'm not buying it at all. Yggdrasil just happened.
Scum me would play this entirely different.
Scum me also wouldn't care about being scumread.
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Post Post #3806 (isolation #307) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:23 am

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I know I'm right, I know my credibility is shot.

What else can I do?
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Post Post #3808 (isolation #308) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:24 am

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All I'm asking is literally to be humoured because so far the evidence supports my theory.

The moment I'm wrong, I'll shut up and be a double voter for Amy.
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Post Post #3809 (isolation #309) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:25 am

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In post 3807, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I don't think it's possible for a town player to
know
they are right.
Theoretically no.

Reality is it happens often.
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Post Post #3810 (isolation #310) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:26 am

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Amusingly I love how Tweetie is being allowed escape first and shes the one who was willing to hear me out :P
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Post Post #3812 (isolation #311) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:40 am

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I really don't want to put effort into town casing someone right now, I'm tired, cranky and FUCK THIS HEAT and I'm meant to be part of a tabletop game on Twitch and I have no effort for any of that.

There is always margin for error. That margin lies at <1% currently.
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Post Post #3815 (isolation #312) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:04 am

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In post 3814, Chara wrote:i do think Flea is scum here, looks like a deflection because Flea doesn't actually have a reason for me to be scum but is trying to pretend fae is sure up until the moment fae can't.
Thing is I'm high suspicious of you anyway, because your scum game scares me.

knowing mentally I'm nowhere near even 25% capacity, I'm going to bias myself if I try and case you.
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Post Post #3816 (isolation #313) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:07 am

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you know the best thing about all this?

All I'm asking for, at the moment, is tweetie, pooky and ydrasee get sentenced.

Because there's no red flips there.
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Post Post #3817 (isolation #314) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:16 am

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I've already condemned myself, and you both have jumped at condemning me further too :)
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Post Post #3821 (isolation #315) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:36 am

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In post 3818, Amy Dunne wrote:I’ll be honest Flea, remember when you strongly towncased Titus in Happy Face? You gave a good solid argument for it and you were super obvious town in that game from the getgo, so I know you’re capable of making reads that are not based in mech.

Being suspicious of Chara’s scumgame isn’t a good reason to sr it in THIS one. Your play sounds very similar to Royalty when you illogically tunnelled Pooky and Ydrasse. You also professed conviction in that but it didn’t sound at all like your conviction in Titus!town in Happy Face where it was beyond obvious you believed in that read.

Also if you were on D1 apparently so opposed to Infinty wagon, why didn’t you try to derail it? Had you tried hard to swing the wagon even to Nakata instead of vanity voting Tanner, I would tr you. Why? Because scum buddies generally don’t work so hard to be at extreme cross purposes.

You knew Tanner had 0 chance of being yeeted and that at some point Nakata absolutely did but you only switched to him when Infinty was already at 6 votes. That reads like you were onboard with that wagon, despite your claims to the contrary and we know at least one scum bussed her and that’s why you look like whomever’s the bussing scum’s buddy.
I can give you a game of mine matching any meta you want, town or scum.
Happy Face mafia was genuinely a blip in my capability, I have no idea how I did that AND LIVED.

I believed in infinitown D1, I honestly did. I didn't like the tells being used against her. Still don't, honestly.
Nakata I was also sure of being scum D1.

I am actually really happy with my reads this game, beyond the mech stuff.

There happens a thing where occasionally I'll pick up a read D1, and I'll tunnel on it, and I'll fight for that read to the bitter end. This is one of those games I guess.
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Post Post #3822 (isolation #316) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:38 am

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oh and fwiw, i believed in infinitown, but I couldn't shift the nagging that there was something off about her.

I wasn't for, I wasn't opposed.
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Post Post #3823 (isolation #317) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:40 am

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And lets face it...
This is just you looking to affirm your towncred.
and I'll be blamed when you and tanner get ejected and win.
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Post Post #3827 (isolation #318) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:51 am

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In post 3826, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3823, Flea The Magician wrote:And lets face it...
This is just you looking to affirm your towncred.
and I'll be blamed when you and tanner get ejected and win.
Okay Flea I’ll bite. Your Chara/Tanner theory doesn’t make sense from a wifom perspective. Why? Because if Yin actually handed us the entire scumteam and we yeeted either of Tanner/Chara and either flipped scum, the surviving one would then be doomed and scum would obviously lose. That’s why your Tanner/Chara theory doesn’t make logical sense based off of Yin wifom.
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Post Post #3828 (isolation #319) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:51 am

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How do you solve the problem presented by WIFOM?

You either drink or you leave and accept what happens either way.

Glug glug time.
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Post Post #3838 (isolation #320) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:19 am

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In post 3830, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3827, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3826, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3823, Flea The Magician wrote:And lets face it...
This is just you looking to affirm your towncred.
and I'll be blamed when you and tanner get ejected and win.
Okay Flea I’ll bite. Your Chara/Tanner theory doesn’t make sense from a wifom perspective. Why? Because if Yin actually handed us the entire scumteam and we yeeted either of Tanner/Chara and either flipped scum, the surviving one would then be doomed and scum would obviously lose. That’s why your Tanner/Chara theory doesn’t make logical sense based off of Yin wifom.
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It means that at least one - if not both of them are town, because we were meant to believe him because of Infinity/Nakata flips but why would he tell us the entire scumteam?

Yin knew about the reveal obviously which is why he’s the one that wound up detonating Ircher and not Nakata.
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We have been - through an extended process of elimination - given the solve to the game.

I have pointed out my own experiences with this lil dilemma.

and while town blames me for their incoming loss, I will laugh soundly at all of you.

I will not vote Tanner.
I will not vote Chara.
and I most certainly will not be dignified.
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Post Post #3841 (isolation #321) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:31 am

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I need to make scoreboards for how often i saw things.

Yin is singlemindedly playing towards scum wincon - and has been from the start.
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Post Post #3848 (isolation #322) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:53 am

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In post 3844, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3841, Flea The Magician wrote:I need to make scoreboards for how often i saw things.

Yin is singlemindedly playing towards scum wincon - and has been from the start.
Absolutely no one is disagreeing with this.
Then why is it being challenged.

You are breaking your own logic here.
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Post Post #3850 (isolation #323) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:55 am

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In post 3840, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3838, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3830, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3827, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3826, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3823, Flea The Magician wrote:And lets face it...
This is just you looking to affirm your towncred.
and I'll be blamed when you and tanner get ejected and win.
Okay Flea I’ll bite. Your Chara/Tanner theory doesn’t make sense from a wifom perspective. Why? Because if Yin actually handed us the entire scumteam and we yeeted either of Tanner/Chara and either flipped scum, the surviving one would then be doomed and scum would obviously lose. That’s why your Tanner/Chara theory doesn’t make logical sense based off of Yin wifom.
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It means that at least one - if not both of them are town, because we were meant to believe him because of Infinity/Nakata flips but why would he tell us the entire scumteam?

Yin knew about the reveal obviously which is why he’s the one that wound up detonating Ircher and not Nakata.
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We have been - through an extended process of elimination - given the solve to the game.

I have pointed out my own experiences with this lil dilemma.

and while town blames me for their incoming loss, I will laugh soundly at all of you.

I will not vote Tanner.
I will not vote Chara.
and I most certainly will not be dignified.
How is this Occams Razor?

Now had Yin not actually detonated Ircher, your theory would be more believable
Yin needed to detonate ircher to remove a confirmed town voice from acting against the scum win condition and we were attempting to to speedyeet ircher.

Yin absolutely had to detonate to meet the wincon for scum.
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Post Post #3854 (isolation #324) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:00 am

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In post 3849, clidd wrote:Flea's theory doesn't seem likely to me considering that we wouldn't just solve the game by asking those questions, but the process fae's using doesn't sound malicious, though the persistence isn't pleasant.

Need to see a flip to judge better.
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Post Post #3855 (isolation #325) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:01 am

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In post 3852, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3850, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3840, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3838, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3830, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3827, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3826, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3823, Flea The Magician wrote:And lets face it...
This is just you looking to affirm your towncred.
and I'll be blamed when you and tanner get ejected and win.
Okay Flea I’ll bite. Your Chara/Tanner theory doesn’t make sense from a wifom perspective. Why? Because if Yin actually handed us the entire scumteam and we yeeted either of Tanner/Chara and either flipped scum, the surviving one would then be doomed and scum would obviously lose. That’s why your Tanner/Chara theory doesn’t make logical sense based off of Yin wifom.
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It means that at least one - if not both of them are town, because we were meant to believe him because of Infinity/Nakata flips but why would he tell us the entire scumteam?

Yin knew about the reveal obviously which is why he’s the one that wound up detonating Ircher and not Nakata.
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We have been - through an extended process of elimination - given the solve to the game.

I have pointed out my own experiences with this lil dilemma.

and while town blames me for their incoming loss, I will laugh soundly at all of you.

I will not vote Tanner.
I will not vote Chara.
and I most certainly will not be dignified.
How is this Occams Razor?

Now had Yin not actually detonated Ircher, your theory would be more believable
Yin needed to detonate ircher to remove a confirmed town voice from acting against the scum win condition and we were attempting to to speedyeet ircher.

Yin absolutely had to detonate to meet the wincon for scum.
Yes I obviously know that, which is why I don’t believe he laid out the entire scumteam.
What was scums initially hidden objective Amy?
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Post Post #3859 (isolation #326) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:04 am

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@YinDoes the game end when Chara, Tanner and Pooky are Eliminated?



@YangGengar is a Meth Clefable and the better version. So nyeh :P
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Post Post #3865 (isolation #327) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:16 am

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In post 3861, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3859, Flea The Magician wrote:
@YinDoes the game end when Chara, Tanner and Pooky are Eliminated?



@YangGengar is a Meth Clefable and the better version. So nyeh :P
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Post Post #3870 (isolation #328) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:20 am

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In post 3867, Amy Dunne wrote:I rn think Flea/Clidd team.
I actually give up.
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Post Post #3896 (isolation #329) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:55 am

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In post 3893, Tanner wrote:
In post 3883, Amy Dunne wrote:Idk but I’m having a hard time thinking it isn’t Flea. It’s possible Pooky could be right on Ydra but outside of the whole conviction thing, I’m not really seeing it. Scum!Ydra does these weird hedgey kinds of posts but I do definitely believe Pooky thinks this because he keeps asking Tweetie to persuade him on her Ydra tr.

But after Pooky and Tweetie, you and Chara seem to be doing the most solving.

Well, you may be right. I would like to see Ydra doing some more solving. I know she’s not feeling well but then apparently so is Chara and that’s not stopping it.
flea could be scum. like the whole thing around eod1 of sitting on my wagon then going on nakata then back to sitting on my wagon for the next two days is ???. but i feel like i keep banging my head against the wall because flea by far feels like the most anti-town slot but what does scum!flea think fae is doing here? those wallposts against me certainly aren't going to get fae ascended? like what is the endgame? fae keeps talking about yin wifom but fae is actually betting on wifom surrounding faer slot to get out?

i thought ydra was townie because her reads (esp her reads on me) seemed to have like, a deeper level of thought than i've seen scum!her have, but like she was pretty obvscum to me in TM so of course if she drew scum again here she would be playing differently. and maaaybe her infy/nakata partner read on d1 feels a bit tmi and pooky does bring up good points but no pair outright *makes sense* and that is why i want out
Guess what nerds. FOMO and a god complex stop me leaving the game for long.

Lemme make this perfectly clear.

I, have ZERO intention of being removed from this game. I will remain in the pit at end-game. Anything suggesting otherwise, anything scumcasing me, is busywork and not productive for town. If i am scum or not, does. not. matter. at. this. point. and hasn't for a long time.
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Post Post #3904 (isolation #330) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:11 pm

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In post 3899, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3896, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3893, Tanner wrote:
In post 3883, Amy Dunne wrote:Idk but I’m having a hard time thinking it isn’t Flea. It’s possible Pooky could be right on Ydra but outside of the whole conviction thing, I’m not really seeing it. Scum!Ydra does these weird hedgey kinds of posts but I do definitely believe Pooky thinks this because he keeps asking Tweetie to persuade him on her Ydra tr.

But after Pooky and Tweetie, you and Chara seem to be doing the most solving.

Well, you may be right. I would like to see Ydra doing some more solving. I know she’s not feeling well but then apparently so is Chara and that’s not stopping it.
flea could be scum. like the whole thing around eod1 of sitting on my wagon then going on nakata then back to sitting on my wagon for the next two days is ???. but i feel like i keep banging my head against the wall because flea by far feels like the most anti-town slot but what does scum!flea think fae is doing here? those wallposts against me certainly aren't going to get fae ascended? like what is the endgame? fae keeps talking about yin wifom but fae is actually betting on wifom surrounding faer slot to get out?

i thought ydra was townie because her reads (esp her reads on me) seemed to have like, a deeper level of thought than i've seen scum!her have, but like she was pretty obvscum to me in TM so of course if she drew scum again here she would be playing differently. and maaaybe her infy/nakata partner read on d1 feels a bit tmi and pooky does bring up good points but no pair outright *makes sense* and that is why i want out
Guess what nerds. FOMO and a god complex stop me leaving the game for long.

Lemme make this perfectly clear.

I, have ZERO intention of being removed from this game. I will remain in the pit at end-game. Anything suggesting otherwise, anything scumcasing me, is busywork and not productive for town. If i am scum or not, does. not. matter. at. this. point. and hasn't for a long time.
You also self-voted as a play to get tr in Royalty which backfired and Idk why you keep repeating this?

I just can’t understand how you can be so tunnelled on a Tanner/Chara team because that’s what scum!Yin said.
Yeah, because I have absolutely limitless range as scum and I fully believed in Isis ability to carry me, I was also slightly annoyed because I absolutely should have been stumped in SS3 but for some reason, wasn't.

Difference is here, I am aiming for an end-game sceanario where I win without being eliminated.

I am actually going to lose my shit at the sheer blindness of people here.
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Post Post #3905 (isolation #331) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:11 pm

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In post 3900, Tanner wrote:@flea, okay, cool? but like, if you're scum maybe your best bet is bluffing here. i'm sorry if you're town and feeling that way but i'm not just gonna take things at face value and just *stop thinking about them* because you're right now saying in big bold letters that you're never leaving. if it bothers you, feel free to ignore me.
Good game. you earned your win.
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Post Post #3907 (isolation #332) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:13 pm

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Just treat this game like I'm no longer in it.

Amy you're a double voter. have fun.
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Post Post #3908 (isolation #333) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:14 pm

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In post 3885, Hectic wrote:
Votecount 4.11


[4] Morning Tweet:
Chara, clidd, Flea The Magician, Ydrasse
[1] Tanner:
Morning Tweet

[3] Not Voting:
PookyTheMagicalBear, Tanner, Amy Dunne

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-25 12:06:58).


Joint moderator ISO.
UNVOTE:
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Post Post #3914 (isolation #334) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:44 pm

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In post 3909, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3904, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3899, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3896, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3893, Tanner wrote:
In post 3883, Amy Dunne wrote:Idk but I’m having a hard time thinking it isn’t Flea. It’s possible Pooky could be right on Ydra but outside of the whole conviction thing, I’m not really seeing it. Scum!Ydra does these weird hedgey kinds of posts but I do definitely believe Pooky thinks this because he keeps asking Tweetie to persuade him on her Ydra tr.

But after Pooky and Tweetie, you and Chara seem to be doing the most solving.

Well, you may be right. I would like to see Ydra doing some more solving. I know she’s not feeling well but then apparently so is Chara and that’s not stopping it.
flea could be scum. like the whole thing around eod1 of sitting on my wagon then going on nakata then back to sitting on my wagon for the next two days is ???. but i feel like i keep banging my head against the wall because flea by far feels like the most anti-town slot but what does scum!flea think fae is doing here? those wallposts against me certainly aren't going to get fae ascended? like what is the endgame? fae keeps talking about yin wifom but fae is actually betting on wifom surrounding faer slot to get out?

i thought ydra was townie because her reads (esp her reads on me) seemed to have like, a deeper level of thought than i've seen scum!her have, but like she was pretty obvscum to me in TM so of course if she drew scum again here she would be playing differently. and maaaybe her infy/nakata partner read on d1 feels a bit tmi and pooky does bring up good points but no pair outright *makes sense* and that is why i want out
Guess what nerds. FOMO and a god complex stop me leaving the game for long.

Lemme make this perfectly clear.

I, have ZERO intention of being removed from this game. I will remain in the pit at end-game. Anything suggesting otherwise, anything scumcasing me, is busywork and not productive for town. If i am scum or not, does. not. matter. at. this. point. and hasn't for a long time.
You also self-voted as a play to get tr in Royalty which backfired and Idk why you keep repeating this?

I just can’t understand how you can be so tunnelled on a Tanner/Chara team because that’s what scum!Yin said.
Yeah, because I have absolutely limitless range as scum and I fully believed in Isis ability to carry me, I was also slightly annoyed because I absolutely should have been stumped in SS3 but for some reason, wasn't.

Difference is here, I am aiming for an end-game sceanario where I win without being eliminated.

I am actually going to lose my shit at the sheer blindness of people here.
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Spoiler: when it's actually this.
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What is your point? Yin and Yang are both scum?
actually given how blind you are, I'll just go back to just hammering.
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Post Post #3918 (isolation #335) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:48 pm

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This is actually painful at this point...

First scum will not self hammer. The cred is needed to secure their other being yeet.
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Post Post #3919 (isolation #336) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:48 pm

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Look at the spoilers Amy.
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Post Post #3923 (isolation #337) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:55 pm

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Wow you failed that so badly we don't even have a mark for how badly you just failed.
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Post Post #3927 (isolation #338) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:56 pm

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But, you have PERFECTLY surmised the game state.

Congratulations you qualify to be a DnD player.

Now my cranky ass is going to try and sleep in this stupid fucking heat.
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Post Post #3930 (isolation #339) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:57 pm

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In post 3926, Tanner wrote:never saying no to a hammer test for myself, but flea's latests posts make me feel like fae is already working on the reason to Not consider me conftown after i don't hammer myself

amy, fae included pictures of yin and yang in .
no working required. I already know why because it's exactly what scumFlea would do.

But given pissing into the wind is better option right now, I'm not going to bother and just let town consume itself.

Like I said, GG, you won.
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Post Post #3933 (isolation #340) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:00 pm

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In post 3929, Tanner wrote:truth be told i was thinking about hammering myself as soon as i got on y-1 to (1) get the fuck out of here and (2) reaction test, but if y'all want me in the game a bit longer i promise i will not
In post 3931, Tanner wrote:sorry to disappoint, i am not you, scum!me takes that self hammer as soon as the opportunity presents

but it doesn't matter, if i'm tested noe i'm getting flipped soon so whatever. gonna be fun to read from the dead thread.
Just writes itself some days...
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Post Post #3934 (isolation #341) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:03 pm

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In post 3932, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3926, Tanner wrote:never saying no to a hammer test for myself, but flea's latests posts make me feel like fae is already working on the reason to Not consider me conftown after i don't hammer myself

amy, fae included pictures of yin and yang in .
Yes, that’s why I asked fae that question and being told i’m wrong is kind’ve just exasperating. Spell it out fir me. I made my guess, if it’s wrong, just correct me.
Read the post until you get it. Because frankly I'm fed up of running up a 1:20 incline.
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Post Post #3936 (isolation #342) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:07 pm

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In post 3935, Tanner wrote:one is written from a town perspective the other from a scum one

town!me maybe does selfhammer immediately but won't do it if the game really doesn't want me to

scum!me always selfhammers

idk why i bother because you're gonna nitpick everything i say anyway but
depends how deep your buddy is set up
Pretty well looking at it.
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Post Post #3941 (isolation #343) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:18 pm

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I really need that scoreboard.

Light and Darkness exist in balance.
Each requires the other.
Each exists within the other. It just has to be found
Shadows in the day.
Candles at night.

Yin is scum.
Yin the darkness.

Yang is town
Yang is the light.

Yin represents femininity
Yang represents masculinity.
oh shit it got reversed, oh no!!! /s

Yin is darkness that allows the light to exist and in helping the scum achieve their wincon as the simple concept of darkness the light has been given a solution.

LIGHT AND DARKNESS WHILE CONTRADICTORY ARE COMPLIMENTARY AS WELL. BOTH ARE REQUIRED FOR BALANCE.

IN ITS SIMPLEST FORM YIN HAS PROVIDED THE ANSWERS.

THIS IS A MOFUGGING SILENT STAR GAME.
GAMES WHERE THERE'S TWO MECHANICS AT WORK.

GUESS WHAT YIN AND YANG HAS?! Absolutely nothing I do sincerely apologise this has been a most regretful waste of everyones time. This is quite simply an invert game of traditional mafia. toodle pip!.
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Post Post #3942 (isolation #344) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:21 pm

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The first image is how people are treating this game.
Yin and Yang are absolute. Light and Dark. Opposing forces.

The second image shows how I'm seeing this.
Yin and Yang are constantly moving, in complementary and contradictory ways.

The difference is the dots, representing the balance, and the requirement of they need each other.
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Post Post #3944 (isolation #345) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:23 pm

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In post 3940, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3936, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3935, Tanner wrote:one is written from a town perspective the other from a scum one

town!me maybe does selfhammer immediately but won't do it if the game really doesn't want me to

scum!me always selfhammers

idk why i bother because you're gonna nitpick everything i say anyway but
depends how deep your buddy is set up
Pretty well looking at it.
This would actually make sense - if this game was exactly like Trust Fall. In the first TF game, scum!me didn’t insta self-hammer to help out my buddy who I actually wanted escaped first but it still worked out, most probably because town!NK15 tf’d my buddy who did in fact insta self-hammer.
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o.o

you actually got what I was thinking...

o.o;
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Post Post #3946 (isolation #346) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:25 pm

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In post 3943, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:are we just being trolled here
no pooky, just me wiping out my own stability for another week...
you know it's 1am, it's 59f, and its 98% air humidity here?

I can't sleep....
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Post Post #3948 (isolation #347) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:31 pm

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Yin is not scum...

Yin and Yang are the 3rd faction. They can't win, they can't lose. They have direct influence on the game.

Yin is darkness, hoping to help darkness spread.
Without Yang, Yin is nothing.
As darkness spreads, so does light, and the value of light grows.

Ever go and star gaze? You need to find as dark an area as you can get so you can see each and every speck of light.
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Post Post #3953 (isolation #348) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:44 pm

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Yes my scum game is immense. yes my scum game has no limits.

Neither does my town game.
That you're all wigging out on me, means I'm doing something right when I get a red PM.

Nobody at any stage is allowed to vote for me

I will openly challenge that, I have maintained that, I will continue to maintain that in apparently what is becoming a silent star tradition.

I'm not even asking for blind trust.
My theory is backed so far. and I'll drop my notes here again for you to look over yourself. I even have post numbers for the bulk of it.

Spoiler: here i go again on my ooown...
  • There are 4 criminals () across 3 factions ()

  • The public masonry is not criminal free. ()
    Chara,
    Norwee
    and Pooky
    ()

  • Pooky has voted for a criminal as of post
    Ydrasse, Tweetie, Tanner, Chara
    ()

  • There is a maximum of 1 criminal in
    Amy
    ,
    Robert
    and Tanner ()

  • A member of the scumteam has recieved a maximum of 5 votes. ()
    Nakata
    ,
    Infinity
    ,
    Ircher


  • Amy
    has voted at least 1 criminal.
    Chara,
    Ircher
    ,
    Nakata
    ,
    Infinity


  • There are no truely criminal in
    Amy
    , Ydrasse and
    Ircher
    .

  • There is at least 1 criminal voting
    Nakata
    in VC 1.11.
    Ydrasse,
    Amy
    Dunne, clidd,
    Infinity
    , Morning Tweet


  • There is more than 1 criminal in Tanner,
    Amy
    ,
    Robert
    , Ydrasse and Chara.

  • There is a criminal in Tanner, Ydrasse, and
    Ircher


  • There is a Criminal in Flea,
    Nakata
    and Pooky ()

  • There are 0 or 2 criminals in Morning, clidd, Pooky

  • Amy
    has voted for a still living criminal (as of this post)
    Chara,
    Ircher
    ,
    Nakata
    ,
    Infinity


  • There are criminals inside
    Amy
    , Ydrasse and
    Nakata
    ()

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  • MIN 1 ->
    Chara
    /
    Norwee
    / Pooky
  • MIN 1 ->
    Ydrasse
    / Tweetie /
    Tanner
    /
    Chara

  • MAX 1 ->
    Tanner
    /
    Amy
    /
    Robert

  • MIN 1 ->
    Nakata
    /
    Infinity
    /
    Ircher

  • MIN 2 ->
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    /
    Ircher
    /
    Nakata
    /
    Infinity

  • MIN 1 ->
    Ydrasse
    /
    Amy
    Dunne
    / clidd /
    Infinity
    / Morning Tweet
  • MIN 1 ->
    Tanner
    /
    Ydrasse
    /
    Norwee
    [/b]
  • MIN 2 ->
    Tanner
    /
    Amy
    /
    Robert
    /
    Ydrasse
    /
    Chara

  • MIN 1 ->
    Flea
    /
    Nakata
    / Pooky
  • HAS 0/2 -> Morning / Clidd / Pooky
  • MIN 1? ->
    Amy
    /
    Ydrasse
    /
    Nakata
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  • Ircher
    -
  • Ydrasse -
  • Amy
    - / D3 Start
  • Robert
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Post Post #3955 (isolation #349) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:47 pm

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In post 3950, Amy Dunne wrote:
In post 3948, Flea The Magician wrote:Yin is not scum...

Yin and Yang are the 3rd faction. They can't win, they can't lose. They have direct influence on the game.

Yin is darkness, hoping to help darkness spread.
Without Yang, Yin is nothing.
As darkness spreads, so does light, and the value of light grows.

Ever go and star gaze? You need to find as dark an area as you can get so you can see each and every speck of light.
Except Yin detonated Ircher which clearly helped scum wincon.
Which is a single minded effort to help scum win.
Scum could not detonate Ircher without claiming, which destroys their wincon.
Yin or Yang absolutely had to be the ones mechanically to do that.
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Post Post #3956 (isolation #350) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:51 pm

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In post 3949, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 3918, Flea The Magician wrote:This is actually painful at this point...

First scum will not self hammer. The cred is needed to secure their other being yeet.
??????

You realize our alignments are shown upon being eliminated right??

This makes no sense at all
Put Tanner to E1, tanner does not self hammer and clears.

Tanner is now bias-clear town to the majoriy of people.
Tanner works on getting Chara yeet.
"oh no drama!"
Tanner gets yeet because he's townier than the alternatives and he's clear.

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Post Post #3959 (isolation #351) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:54 pm

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In post 2, Hectic wrote:
AWAKEN,
VILLAGERS
OF THE PIT!


A harsh cry jolts you from your sleep, and you awaken to unfamiliar surroundings inside a stone house of sorts. The last thing you remember is being captured and knocked out by the Royal Guard...

You leave your makeshift house to investigate. Others follow from similar houses, seeming to arise with expressions matching your own.

Spoiler:
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A man wearing a top hat greets you all.

Welcome to your new home, friends - the pit. You're all here for crimes of treason, murder, theft, arson... you name it. However, there is a slight problem; I'm fairly certain a
good amount of you are innocent and wrongfully convicted.
But no matter! I'm sure if you spend some time together, you will become very good judges of each other's character. Sentence someone between yourselves to death by nightfall, good luck. Oh, and one last thing!


He points to a man and a woman standing a little apart from the main group.

This is Yin and Yang; they'll be accompanying you here in the pit. Yin may have vital information for you and will answer any question you ask. Yang may or may not have information for you and may or may not answer any questions you ask.


The man transforms into a bat and flies out of the pit, the 100 metre stone walls powerless in stopping him. The Menagerie sure did have a toll on this world...

Spoiler:
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friends
.
In post 2885, Hectic wrote:In the early hours of the morning, you find a small piece of parchment lying on the ground of the pit. You read it aloud as the other villagers gather around you.

Spoiler:
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You have all been deceived. The Imperials have no interest in justice, they only have interest in finding the most exceptional
criminals
to recruit to their Royal Army, and to make use of their
criminal
skills. You've been under the impression that you've been sentencing people to death. In reality, being sentenced means freedom from the pit.

You do not know who I am, but I ask that you please heed my words and do not let the Mayor find out. Sentence those amongst you who you think are the most good and deserving to leave, and then perhaps... we can break this system from the inside.


TRUE Win Conditions:

There are 4 mafia and 9 town in this game. Mafia win by sentencing all 4 of their members. Town win by sentencing 5 townies. Town are under the impression they should be sentencing mafia, but once two mafia have been sentenced, the true wincons will be revealed publicly. Mafia were aware of all this.
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Post Post #3960 (isolation #352) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:55 pm

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That moment when you lightbulb the thing thats been annoying you at the back of your head.

I'm the only one getting trolled here Tweetie.. I keep thinking people are actually going to listen and it reinvigorates me to try and win...
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Post Post #3962 (isolation #353) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:57 pm

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Thing is, as much as that ties in with what we have, it's still going to get hand waved away...
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Post Post #3963 (isolation #354) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:57 pm

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In post 3961, Morning Tweet wrote:I dont see anything that says criminals have to be mafia, have you considered the possibility of town criminals?
Eeeey right on time.
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Post Post #3967 (isolation #355) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:00 pm

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In post 3964, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 3960, Flea The Magician wrote:That moment when you lightbulb the thing thats been annoying you at the back of your head.

I'm the only one getting trolled here Tweetie.. I keep thinking people are actually going to listen and it reinvigorates me to try and win...
You have to concede that if the team is Tanner/Chara they always lose.

We eliminate Tanner -> he flips scum -> we never eliminate Chara

You have to be trolling if you think Tanner as scum will refuse to self hammer on X-1 and proceed to somehow get Chara eliminated, and then SOMEHOW get eliminated himself
That is the play I would make, that is the play AMY
has
made.

Tanner doomed himself. That's the funniest thing here.
It was down to asking the right questions and the right people.
We got fucking lucky.
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Post Post #3968 (isolation #356) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:01 pm

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In post 3965, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 3963, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3961, Morning Tweet wrote:I dont see anything that says criminals have to be mafia, have you considered the possibility of town criminals?
Eeeey right on time.
No but seriously, what point are you making with the flavour
Read it tweetie. I'm not going to lead the charge here because nobody will follow me. Hell I even made it easy.
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Post Post #3971 (isolation #357) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:03 pm

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In post 3959, Flea The Magician wrote:Yin may have vital information for you and will answer any question you ask. Yang may or may not have information for you and may or may not answer any questions you ask.
Kudos to both NPCs for playing this out so well btw.

and according to the flavour, yes, just not in the pit in which the context of the game is set in.
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Post Post #3973 (isolation #358) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:05 pm

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In post 3970, Morning Tweet wrote:If Hectic actually gave us the names of the entire scumteam on a silver platter because we ASKED, I will concede you were right. And also that this game was designed terribly
Is it though?
Is it really that badly designed?

You cannot account for human stupidity.
Anyone who has ever been a Games Master, Dungeon Master, Storyteller, Narrator, etc will tell you this is the most important lesson you need to learn.

We had to work for those names tweetie. We had to work out which questions to ask, and even then who to ask about.
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Post Post #3974 (isolation #359) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:06 pm

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And even then, some of them are PoE because some of us kept notes. we both kepts notes.

How many games mechanically fall apart because someone doesn't take notes?
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Post Post #3986 (isolation #360) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:14 pm

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Tanner stuffed himself which was the funniest thing about it all...


This is still mafia, it's just not traditional mafia.
You cannot account for human stupidity.
You cannot expect even the most competent team to succeed.
We each get 1 question in 24 hours, Yin has 18 posts.
We'd need to be coordinated from the start about what we're asking.

Something I was resisted from the start, even when trying to determine truthfulness.

We're a bunch of randoms trying to work something out.
"Human stupidity"
We're going to argue, bitch and moan about it and disagree.
Add malicious factors deliberately stirring the pot.
Human stupidity becomes human idiocy.

And then there's occams razor.
It's a mafia game, it can't be THAT simple. That's rubbish if it is.
it isn't, it's fucking brilliant and given the games Hectic has come up with this is a damn good cherry for the top of that cake.
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Post Post #3992 (isolation #361) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:18 pm

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In post 3980, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i mean this is literally the same thing flea did during ss3 which was repeat one thing over and over again. I wouldnt read it one way or the other because im pretty sure town flea could do this too?

im just focussing my energy on the people i can read.
Adding onto this.

Mafia is a game of psychology.
Confidence is powerful.
I'm actually annoyed at how often I'm having to repeat here because I've answered all these things before.

SS3 I genuinely hated because I should have been stumped and allowed to openwolf, instead I had to AtE the fuck through that and it still didn't work.
And I still feel bad for it, because I drained the life out of Pooks and Ydrasse and genuinely expected them to hate me for that.

Student council btw, i wouldn't drop my SR on Purple Heart and kept repeating myself there, I was town.
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Post Post #3995 (isolation #362) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:19 pm

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In post 3987, clidd wrote:Ok, Flea is scum.
Doesn't matter. This has been established.
Reading me is pointless, because I can win while I'm in the pit.
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Post Post #3998 (isolation #363) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:20 pm

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In post 3990, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 3986, Flea The Magician wrote:This is still mafia, it's just not traditional mafia.
You cannot account for human stupidity.
You cannot expect even the most competent team to succeed.
We each get 1 question in 24 hours, Yin has 18 posts.
We'd need to be coordinated from the start about what we're asking.
Flea it literally takes about ten questions to get all the criminals if you know what you're doing.

A single person can solve the whole thing on their own. Try thirteen. It was gonna happen
But we didn't. And we stumbled on that by a complete accident by pooky asking about their public masonry.
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Post Post #3999 (isolation #364) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:21 pm

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In post 3996, clidd wrote:
In post 3995, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3987, clidd wrote:Ok, Flea is scum.
Doesn't matter. This has been established.
Reading me is pointless, because I can win while I'm in the pit.
If you're town we're going to lose this because I'm not scum.
Never said you were scum Clidd. I know you're town. you appear to be joining me at the bottom of the general consensus list, however.
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Post Post #4000 (isolation #365) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:23 pm

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In post 3994, Chara wrote:but this isn't a puzzle in a tabletop campaign. it's mafia.
You drive, Chara?

Human Stupidity is something you're taught and expected to account for in the UK driving test.

Ever work in Retail?

human stupidity at its finest.

Many applications, not just tabletop.
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Post Post #4004 (isolation #366) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:25 pm

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In post 4001, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i dont really think hectic is dumb tho
It's not dumb, it's bloody genius.

People make things harder on themselves all the time.
Trust me I have ADHD and Autism, it's like our specialty.
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Post Post #4007 (isolation #367) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:27 pm

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Tweetie use your noodle. <3

Hell even the scum I'm pushing is agreeing with me on this one.
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Post Post #4008 (isolation #368) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:28 pm

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In post 4006, Chara wrote:
In post 4000, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3994, Chara wrote:but this isn't a puzzle in a tabletop campaign. it's mafia.
You drive, Chara?

Human Stupidity is something you're taught and expected to account for in the UK driving test.

Ever work in Retail?

human stupidity at its finest.

Many applications, not just tabletop.
Isis doesn't use "human stupidity" in her setup design and i doubt Hectic does either. this is a mafia game, it's not a real-world scenario.
It's an every day psychological concept...

... in a game that relies on psychology....
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Post Post #4009 (isolation #369) » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:30 pm

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Occams Razor
Human stupidity.

These go hand in hand.

and are an amazing base for a game.

Especially after Yggdrasil.
you know I promised us I'd be more confident in my mech spec after that game?
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Post Post #4078 (isolation #370) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:51 am

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In post 4076, Tanner wrote:
In post 3964, Morning Tweet wrote:You have to be trolling if you think Tanner as scum will refuse to self hammer on X-1 and proceed to somehow get Chara eliminated, and then SOMEHOW get eliminated himself
this

i don't think there is any universe where i manage to get myself on y-1 to not hammer myself, then decide to stick around to "solve", "accidentally" send chara to heaven (or like, anyone really), and then *still* manage to get myself spared after that. like, even if you think that was my original mastermind plan from the start, i have kiiind of blown it by constantly going "fuck you fuck me fuck this game i want out", don't you think? after throwing multiple fits how i hate this game and don't know how to solve it, you think nobody would bat an eye if i then went "achkhually now i want to stay in the game and solve it, oopsie did i just spare scum :3"?

pedit: oh my god.
Alternatively, you can just not bait me.

Ydrasse today.

VOTE: Ydrasse
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Post Post #4082 (isolation #371) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:14 am

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Spoiler: Trolooololololllolololol lololollllll
  • There are 4 criminals () across 3 factions ()

  • The public masonry is not criminal free. ()
    Chara,
    Norwee
    and
    Pooky
    ()

  • Pooky
    has voted for a criminal as of post
    Ydrasse,
    Morning Tweet
    , Tanner, Chara
    ()

  • There is a maximum of 1 criminal in
    Amy
    ,
    Robert
    and Tanner ()

  • A member of the scumteam has recieved a maximum of 5 votes. ()
    Nakata
    ,
    Infinity
    ,
    Ircher


  • Amy
    has voted at least 1 criminal.
    Chara,
    Ircher
    ,
    Nakata
    ,
    Infinity


  • There are no truely criminal in
    Amy
    , Ydrasse and
    Ircher
    .

  • There is at least 1 criminal voting
    Nakata
    in VC 1.11.
    Ydrasse,
    Amy Dunne
    , clidd,
    Infinity
    ,
    Morning Tweet


  • There is more than 1 criminal in Tanner,
    Amy
    ,
    Robert
    , Ydrasse and Chara.

  • There is a criminal in Tanner, Ydrasse, and
    Ircher


  • There is a Criminal in Flea,
    Nakata
    and
    Pooky
    ()

  • There are 0 or 2 criminals in
    Morning Tweet
    , clidd,
    Pooky


  • Amy
    has voted for a still living criminal (as of this post)
    Chara,
    Ircher
    ,
    Nakata
    ,
    Infinity


  • There are criminals inside
    Amy
    , Ydrasse and
    Nakata
    ()

Grouplist
  • MIN 1 ->
    Chara
    /
    Norwee
    /
    Pooky

  • MIN 1 -> Ydrasse /
    Morning Tweet
    /
    Tanner
    /
    Chara

  • MAX 1 ->
    Tanner
    /
    Amy
    /
    Robert

  • MIN 1 ->
    Nakata
    /
    Infinity
    /
    Ircher

  • MIN 2 ->
    Chara
    /
    Ircher
    /
    Nakata
    /
    Infinity

  • MIN 1 -> Ydrasse /
    Amy Dunne
    / clidd /
    Infinity
    /
    Morning Tweet

  • MIN 1 ->
    Tanner
    / Ydrasse /
    Norwee

  • MIN 2 ->
    Tanner
    /
    Amy
    /
    Robert
    / Ydrasse /
    Chara

  • MIN 1 -> Flea /
    Nakata
    /
    Pooky

  • HAS 0 ->
    Morning Tweet
    / Clidd /
    Pooky

  • MIN 1? ->
    Amy
    / Ydrasse /
    Nakata
Clearlist
  • Ircher
    -
  • Ydrasse -
  • Amy
    - / D3 Start
  • Robert
    - PoE bias-clear / D2 flip
  • Norwee
    - N1 Flip
  • Flea -
In post 3744, Flea The Magician wrote:8 in game. 5+1 vs 2
Mislim. 5+1 vs 1
Kill. 4+2 vs 1
Elim. 3+2 vs 1.
Kill. 3+3 vs 1.
Elim 2+3 vs 1.
Kill 1+4 vs 1
Coinflip.
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