Newbie 2090 (Game Over)

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we owe Luck the courtesy to review his case on Somnus

So we should sheep Luke when it's directly beneficial to us and not sheep Luke when it goes against our agenda? How does that work? I don't like that only some of Luke's posts apply because you say so.

there's a pretty big difference between saying "sheep the dead townie"
and saying "we owe it to him to review his posts"
I posted his thoughts regardless of whether or not I agree with them

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Dunno why you think it's "totally irrelevant" since I spend a good chunk of it directly speaking how this relates to marcistar.

it was irrelevant because nobody was going to be voting for Luke
Marci was on the chopping block and you spent all that effort posting about the one of towniest player's read on the player who was being waggoned

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I posted his thoughts regardless of whether or not I agree with them

I didn't see you quote any posts you didn't agree with, but perhaps I missed it.

I'm not pushing for a Somnus or BigTerp elim
those were his two scumreads in that big post I quoted

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Turtle
you've written so many words
but I have no idea who you think is scum

Pedit: I mean Luke was one of the towniest players according to the reads of the other players in the game

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Town

BigTerp


PPP

Furtive
Somnus

Goldie
Turtle

Scum

right now BigTerp is the only one who would really surprise me if they are scum
I need more townreads
not sure on the order of the middle two either
but this is where I'm at

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I need more townreads

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I'm not going to just assume a day1 miselim has to have had scum onboard
it's rare to see an all town miselim
but it happens

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Turtle is coasting
hasn't actually pushed anyone
isn't trying to sort anyone
I need somebody, anybody, who disagrees with me to tell me why I'm wrong

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if you aren't voting
please do soon
4 days is not a ton of time

Vote Count 2-4

Not Voting (4):

Mr Turtle, Somnus, PlmPestPlaY, GoldfishFromTheMoon

Countdown: (expired on 2022-03-22 05:25:00)

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low frequency posting doesn't equal mafia

not what I said

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I will be VLA from 3/19-3/24
no internet access at all
I'll be on a boat in the Caribbean so don't feel sorry for me!

correction:
I will have internet access Saturday until around 3pm EST
and maybe a moment or two on Tuesday (which is after the deadline anyway)
my VLA is 3/20-3/23

Turtle

- if you want to convince me to move my vote you really only have until around noon EST Saturday

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it's not fair for me to ask the game to cater to my schedule
I get that
but after this boat sails away from shore my vote will be locked until the day ends

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thank you
I did enjoy that

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Somnus and PPP, since you guys are around I noticed neither of you have votes on anyone. Any reason in particular why your holding out on that?

At this point it's anti-town to not be voting
especially when I've said I won't be here at end of day
Somnus and PPP really should make a stand of some kind (with a vote) before I'm VLA tomorrow afternoon

consider...
town!TTTT leaves for his vacation with his vote on town! Turtle
you have to either convince the remaining 4 town players to agree on a scum elim, or hope for scum to bus when they don't have to
A no-elim is NOT an option

that's why it's anti-town to not be voting right now
I'm not saying you can't move your votes when I'm gone
but please do something with them now

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I can't see Somnus and PPP as a pair.

this is a reasonable assumption to make

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We've got three votes outstanding. I'd like to see some movement from them, or where votes are currently, to get some more discussions going. Things seem to have gotten stale pretty quickly. For me, that's usually a sign that scum is comfortable where things are.

Never elim BigTerp

if he is scum he deserves to win
but he isn't scum

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if Somnus doesn't have a vote placed before I board my cruise ship tomorrow
I'll vote him

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this is ridiculous
we have less than 3 days left
and two players still haven't voted this day phase at all
Goldie and Somnus
do something

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A Turtle elim isn't happening today
but this has more support

VOTE: GoldfishFromTheMoon

let's get Goldie to E-1 with intent and get a claim

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Frozen Angel

I see you prodded Goldfish
if she is replaced I request an extension on the end of day
thank you

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we should just elim Goldie now
and save another newbie from having to replace into that cursed slot
only half joking

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VOTE: Somnus

sorry no time for a claim
pretty confident furtive is town
best guess is the team is Somnus-Turtle

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well it was a gambit yes
always read the rules
FA has very specific voting rules
gg was fun to play with you Somnus

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elim Turtle and then Goldie and we win

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checking in from the wifi at this restaurant in the Bahamas
I have great timing
won't be back online until Thursday morning EST
VOTE: Turtle

remember it only takes 3 votes to elim
no quick hammers unless we have a tracker result outed

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tracker should have a clear or guilty on someone from last night
unless they foolishly tracked BigTerp
so it probably makes sense to out the clear
giving us two conftown

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GG to all
was very fun
I have a lot of thoughts to share but they'll have to wait for tonight
just got off my ship and now have to drive home

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I will just say for now that this game was won because of townhunting

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OK I have another minute here
..
furtive, be careful doing what you were trying to do
with softing a fake guilty
it was obvious
but also you left some gaps
which made it obvious you didn't actually have a guilty
check my PT for one example

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I echo Luke: scumchat was fantastic

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I would like to apologize to the town.

No apology needed!
your slot was likely saved from miselim because of your early day1 play

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Great game everyone. Thanks for playing and I hope that you enjoyed it.

It was the first game I modded in a long time so I hope that I did the necessary. I'll try to moderate a game in the mini-theme queue in the next 20 days and you're all invited ^.^

Great modding, FA!
you grabbed pagetops and stayed in the background finding replacements
solid work

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Scumteam

You guys had one of the better scumchats I've seen in a Newbie game. You bounced a lot of ideas off each other. I think I'd enjoy being scum a lot more if I got to be scum with either of you.

You had a much deeper understanding of setups and strategy than most scumteams made up of newer players.

You lost because:
1) You didn't out or kill any PRs until night2.
2) Town started making themselves obvious.

I'll also point out that when I fake-hammered you Somnus, you recognized that it might not have been a valid vote (it wasn't, and I'd checked with our mod ahead of time to confirm). You could have townspewed there. It was a risk for me to give you that opportunity, but I thought it more likely you were unaware of that particular part of FA's ruleset and would tell the truth, than be aware of it and fake spew town.

Turtle, you were almost universally townread for 228. I was the only one who didn't like it and I never adequately explained why. Re-reading it now I still have a hard time pointing to exactly what I don't like about it, but I'll try. Basically you were asked "who looks scummy to you?" and your response was very very well put together. Too well put together. Marci just wants to know who is scummy to you and you give her a detailed post with links and very formal writing "Currently, I have him as a scum-lean." "He's in the null range for me, but I'd love to see a bit more thoughts even if they're basic and bare-boned." etc. It just didn't feel like how town reacts to that type of question at that stage of the game. I hate to say it appeared "try-hard" because I don't want to encourage laziness from town (hypocritical, I know), but it's a bit of that. It's also a bit off that the person asking for your scumreads is the person you end up voting, yet you spent a lot of time casing two other players in the same post. It would have been more natural to make a post voting her and explaining why and then just listing the other two players who you also scumleaned. Sorry for the long explanation. I might also have just been "right for the wrong reasons" here.

Turtle, you'll be a formidable scum player when you interact live more often. You seemed largely absent from the ongoing discussions and then would drop in with a long well-thought out post. That works day1, but if town is finding each other you will get left out of that.

Somnus, your early day1 stuff was tonally very solid.

Overall an impressive effort from two newer players.

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Furtive

You make the game more fun. Yes, it's hard to read you, but I eventually got there.

Let's talk about your soft fake guilty on Somnus...

First, I'll give you props for the read and sticking to it!

But... I gotta tell you that that could have ended very badly for town. It was clear that you were trying to soft a guilty. But I also wasn't buying it and this sealed it for me:

Spoiler:

I can't see Somnus and PPP as a pair. The mafia team is therefore Somnus/GoldfishFromtheMoon, or PPP/Goldfish.

So then I have to figure out which of these is true:
"Furtive is an investigative and has a guilty on Somnus"
or
"Furtive is scum and is settting up to fakeclaim a guilty on Somnus"
or
"Furtive is VT and is softing a fake guilty on Somnus"

It is VERY hard to come to that third conclusion. And if you had actually fake-claimed a guilty it would have likely lost us the game because it would have resulted in a PR outing themselves in counterclaim.

So yeah, never fakeclaim (or soft) a guilty if you are VT. At least not in a Newbie game.

But I give you kudos for 1) the read on Somnus that evaded me, and 2) having the balls to try something tricky like that.

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Luke

I already said it. You did everything you needed to do.
Look town.
Eat a NK.

Even if the NK was for the emoji cop and not your actual soft.

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Alianna & Goldie

You both actually played just fine. I know you probably don't feel like you did, but you avoided being elim'd through your interactions. I'm not just saying this to be nice. You both looked town the more you posted. The only problem was that a slot that replaces with newer players often and with not a ton of content is often scum in Newbie games. And then the newbscum greeting didn't help.

Please stick around.

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BigTerp

You were the towniest town to ever town. The same way that Luke felt about my meta digging (when it really wasn't necessary for me to do so) is how I felt about you writing game advancing posts when scum!you had no reason to do so, and it would have benefitted scum!you to let the game stagnate. If you had been scumread by others at that point it could have been a scum move to try to appear town by advancing the game, but you had no reason if you were scum to do that.

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PPP

As the game progressed you just got townier and townier. That's actually a very good way to play as a PR, as long as it isn't obvious that you are trying to do that.

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Marci

Sorry for the day1 miselim. I wish you hadn't given up. It felt at some point that the elim was inevitable.

Still, you win whether dead or alive, so cheers!

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From my private thread:

based on Turtle's readslist
if he's scum I'd guess the partner is Somnus or Luke

I think it's constructive to break this down a bit...

Newer players tend to null or scumlean their partner (Somnus points this out in the scumchat btw), but beyond this they also often give reasons that are fence-sitting or express confusion about the slot, so that they have wiggle room to change the read later if they need to bus or TR their partner and not look bad for the read change. If I wasn't TTTT myself I would have added TTTT to the list of possible partners.

Yeah, I'll give a short reads list (with colors!).

BigTerp

- You have a very straight forward and therefore transparent thought process, which I like. Although you sometimes take jokes seriously, you ask a lot of questions. You are open to understand and to re-assess, which makes me believe that you aren't just looking for someone to push but that you are actually trying to solve the game.

Alianna

- Their entrance seemed authentic. Their interactions with TTTT are definitely not something I'd expect a first time player to fake. Their transparency is also towny. Overall, they seem very comfortable in the thread. Also a hedgey reads list, which I once again will attribute to newness. I do hope that they come back soon, though.

TTTT

- TTTT has interestingly given little explanations to their posts. It's something I have seen a lot of more experienced players do, though for what I do not know. I also believe this is what makes them hard to read. The posts and explanations I've seen from them have been towny this far. Their ISO features a lot of live interaction with other people which I know is hard to fake.

Somnus

- I don't really know what to do with them. They have a high volume of posts and they're playing aggressively. This implies that they aren't afraid to be loud, which is good for town. For this reason alone I'll town-lean them, but I need to re-assess this sooner or later.

Lukewarm

- Hasn't been around much. Their opinion on furtiveglance seems to come from a genuine place, but they haven't done much else notable.

furtiveglance

- Explained above

PImpPestPlaY

- Explained above

marcistar

- Explained above

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As far as comments on your reads list goes: What do you think of Alianna's posts on page 1 & 2? Do you think that it's fakeable for their first game, especially with regards to their transparency towards TTTT? I definitely agree with you about Lukewarm being the least memorable. I'm hoping that they will post a bit more today. Also, is the reads list ordered? If so, why are Somnus + PPP above TTTT?

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You are all beautiful geniuses and I hope to play again with you soon.

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even if none of you came back to talk to me after the game ended...