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but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your slot literally called my reads bad, but then said my town reads were good, and when pressed said 4 reads were bad, and then when i asked why the scum reads were bad i was met with responses other then actually helping me understand.

Sorry - help me out here.

I really don’t know how but what’s already in my ISO. Do you seriously think I’m playing anything like I did when I replaced Lilith in that game here?

Like I pushed an flaming obvtown slot - Mena. Like Idk how you cannnot see the difference here? I didn’t try to do any actual solving in that game.

I did like your trs, yes but in addition to knowing your read on us is wrong, I pretty much lock tr OtH. Marci has a distinct alignment-based posting style and Mala gets huge town points for mindmelding with me on that. Also Gamma has a really good meta read on both of our heads.

As for the rest, this is obviously town!Dunn. He’s been really solving and he’s not trying to control the gamestate or push any kind of agenda. Taly is like they were in insect game/Anything uPick/Slaughter Hour. CSF is really bring super solvey as well and that’s extremely town indicative for her.

Did I leave anyone out? can’t remember?

~N

Did he read this post? Obviously not, he’s ignoring very clear evidence that I’m town here.

but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your slot literally called my reads bad, but then said my town reads were good, and when pressed said 4 reads were bad, and then when i asked why the scum reads were bad i was met with responses other then actually helping me understand.

Sorry - help me out here.

I really don’t know how but what’s already in my ISO. Do you seriously think I’m playing anything like I did when I replaced Lilith in that game here?

Like I pushed an flaming obvtown slot - Mena. Like Idk how you cannnot see the difference here? I didn’t try to do any actual solving in that game.

I did like your trs, yes but in addition to knowing your read on us is wrong, I pretty much lock tr OtH. Marci has a distinct alignment-based posting style and Mala gets huge town points for mindmelding with me on that. Also Gamma has a really good meta read on both of our heads.

As for the rest, this is obviously town!Dunn. He’s been really solving and he’s not trying to control the gamestate or push any kind of agenda. Taly is like they were in insect game/Anything uPick/Slaughter Hour. CSF is really bring super solvey as well and that’s extremely town indicative for her.

Did I leave anyone out? can’t remember?

~N

idk what game you are talking about wrt me and you playing.

appreciate the input on dunn, csf, and taly, but i don't agree atm. maybe i can push dunn up a slot.

Maybe

you

should read.

This really isn’t getting us anywhere and I’ve already been scolded for bringing up NM. I won’t continue to bang my head against a brick wall explaining this.

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Did he read this post? Obviously not, he’s ignoring very clear evidence that I’m town here.

ok I don't know if you know this but.

Players cannot provide "clear evidence" that they are town because if they

could

they would simply

do it when they are mafia too

Are you talking about trust tells because I know I’m not doing anything like that?

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Thank you for doing what your hydra partner couldn't!

She’s been dealing with a lot of rl issues.

That's fine. I was just very frustrated that your slot was just saying "ISO me" instead of explaining the reads. Like, I get that meta reasoning is already flimsy and I won't hold it against you, I have flimsy reasons for reads at this stage of the game too. But if you're town cooperation is always preferred. There are 2800 posts in this game it's not anyone's job to memorize anyone's posts.

True but I’m just not that great at always explaining things and I get really frustrated when I don’t do so adequately.

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PYP where I was in a scum hydra with Pooky and replaced Lillith and you played on this account.

forgive me if i don't remember a game from 2 years ago...

i'm out. really am on v/la and i can't handle this nonsense atm.

???

How is referencing a scumgame of mine for comparison, “nonsense”?

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I'm always down for yeeting Corwin

dude was scummy af when he was here

Do you think it makes sense that scum!Math wouldn’t know NM wasn’t actually a player in this game?

I am not sure why it would make more sense for town!math to have missed this then for scum!math to have missed it, and so I am treating it as entirely NAI

I'm always down for yeeting Corwin

dude was scummy af when he was here

Do you think it makes sense that scum!Math wouldn’t know NM wasn’t actually a player in this game?

what does knowing nm is not in the game have to do with alignment

Well, I guess it could be nai but it does possibly point to not being informed about the playerlist?

Yeah it’s weak but is it totally irrelevant?

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Holy shit I try to catch up, come in and it's on page 106, and I read everything starting from 95ish? and it's 6 more pages while I'm reading.

I mean I'm actually super happy how much happens in this game but it felt like I would never catch up...

So we're voting Mathblade Luke? I wanted to vote DP but I do think the corwin slot has a strong chance of flipping red. DP slot has bothered me the entire game and I'm finally feeling a strong scum read on it.

VOTE: Mathblade

Since when? This is literally the first time you’ve even mentioned sr my slot,

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The way that Nancy is responding to people scum reading her feels in line with how I have seen Nancy respond to people scum reading her as town.

Complete indignation at the idea that someone could think that she is scum, because she is so clearly incredibly town that you must be scum to not see it.

I have not actually read a scum game of hers to compare, but this recent bout of posting from her talking to Pengiun could be copy/pasted from any one of the 4 or 5 town games that I have read that she was in.

So, :shrug:

I never copy/paste my posts unless, I’m posting an ISO from a previous game.

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Updates:

DP => Scum
Mala => Scum

@Pooky change this to either a yellow or orange, thanks.

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Actually, does Titus feel strongly about her MathBlade townread?

She’s more basing it off of mine but you’d have to ask her.

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I think he was using a figure of speech to illustrate you say you're obviously town in every game regardless of alignment.

I am town in this game and I given plenty of reasons for why that is.

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Updates:

DP => Scum
Mala => Scum

Cool. Why?

mala - bs claim, was at null leaning scum due to lurking and nonsense posts, and a bunch of people were reading her town for the claim, so I figured my intuition there could be off and null is fine for now since if she can speak with the dead, that should be interesting d2.

DP - just vibes. I've read them as kinda scummy the whole game but could never put my finger on it. It's just slid further and further scummy the more I read from them. I have no meta experience with them so this is all just vibes at this point. I'll ISO dive them at some point but I've just hit that breaking point of... I think I'm ready to move them to scum.

Again, WHEN? Link/quote.

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I thought you knew I was joking with your 1399 response

If you don’t respond I can ISO you to check.

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So, I think I will need her reasoning for the town read more then just her saying that she has it tbh.

Oh okay, for some reason I thought Titus was good at reading MathBlade. Maybe it was the other way around or maybe my brain just made it up :S

No she actually isn’t. She was wrong on him in PYP most recently but I was right, so that’s probably why she’s deferring to me, I’m assuming?

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@RAD, you claimed to be sr my slot from the beginning but unless I missed it, I couldn’t find a single post of yours actually saying that.

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Hey DP, do you think I'm going to respond with an exact moment I determined you were

town

?

I can't even

Is RAD trolling me now? I’m seriously confused. :/

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@RAD, you claimed to be sr my slot from the beginning but unless I missed it, I couldn’t find a single post of yours actually saying that.

No, I claimed to read you scummy the whole game but not convinced (hence the phrase "but couldn't put my finger on it"). It just kept going and going until you slid from null to scum.

I don't know why you're scummy to me right now but I do know that I'm done ignoring my intuition on it. I'll research you more to try to figure that out but you have been concerning me for long enough that you have fallen into the scum slot from null.

There is no prior posts of you sr my slot. If you’re town because Titus actually had you in her PoE before you said any of this, which I talked her out of and you’re not welcome btw - then you should probably get refund on that.

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How does voting work on this site again?

/Vote Rad

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[ vote] [/ vote]

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Hey Professor, you replaced Galron right? I have a town read on him, so all good.

Why are you not answering my questions. Where in your entire ISO did you ever even remotely sr me prior to just recently?

It’s one thing for you to say that your read on me has changed but you have never sr me until recently, so that’s obviously untrue.

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Hey Professor, you replaced Galron right? I have a town read on him, so all good.

Why are you not answering my questions. Where in your entire ISO did you ever even remotely sr me prior to just recently?

It’s one thing for you to say that your read on me has changed but you have never sr me until recently, so that’s obviously untrue.

Yeah check my ISO. I just did. I haven't mentioned you at all in terms of my reads. Not at all. Who cares?

You've been null, leaning scum, and now I just find you scum, so I mentioned it.

Tada! I admit that I can't point to exactly why, and who cares, how does that make me scum?

I'll do my part and research you more thoroughly though. Because that's only fair.

Because you’ve been saying that you’ve sr me the entire game and there’s 0 evidence of that from your posting. I can’t help but wonder if you’re just suddenly sr me because bird was, so yeah obviously that pings me because the timing of that seems kind’ve suss.

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Math, why do you townread Cephrir? I thought his scumcase on Malcolm was meh, and the way the bolded was worded kind of rubs me the wrong way.

Spoiler:

Is there some question other than the quoted one that's being evaded here? It looks answered enough to me. This post feels to me like the conclusion ("I'm going to attack Roden now") came before the substance...

Roden can be interested in whatever he damn well feels like

And DNA hydra - what is there to townread there?

The intro wagon on him was really fast and it didn’t feel like a scum wagon.

In response to your DNA question

I’m Sun. You can figure it out from there. If you can’t I’ll consult with my inner voice to me more explicit.

I’d appreciate it if you backed off. It’s way too late at night for me to do a proper defense but I think y’all are capable of reading between the lines.

Stii think this is town!Math here, fite me!

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Math, why do you townread Cephrir? I thought his scumcase on Malcolm was meh, and the way the bolded was worded kind of rubs me the wrong way.

Spoiler:

Is there some question other than the quoted one that's being evaded here? It looks answered enough to me. This post feels to me like the conclusion ("I'm going to attack Roden now") came before the substance...

Roden can be interested in whatever he damn well feels like

And DNA hydra - what is there to townread there?

The intro wagon on him was really fast and it didn’t feel like a scum wagon.

In response to your DNA question

I’m Sun. You can figure it out from there. If you can’t I’ll consult with my inner voice to me more explicit.

I’d appreciate it if you backed off. It’s way too late at night for me to do a proper defense but I think y’all are capable of reading between the lines.

Stii think this is town!Math here, fite me!

Titus is actually agreeing with me, not just deferring to my read. \0/

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UNVOTE:

I don’t really think bird is scum but I am actually doubting RAD now. I will sleep on it.

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Math is town. told all of you naysayers, now hopefully you will take my reads seriously.

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Math reasonless 5 names can be scum even if impossible together

~Titus

Bell
Lukewarm
2-3 people on the Cephrir wagon at start

If only two then someone pushing me on replace in.

I like don’t have reads on half the game. So not sure what this serves

Gauging your accuracy. :/ I kinda get Luke but he obvtowns with Rad comments. Bell is just nope.

don't understand why you expect so much from math when he openly hasnt read the game yet

im tempted to vote this slot mainly for refusing to explain why penguin's reads aren't good

???

If I literally have to spam the thread with my prior posts that people aren’t reading, I absolutely will. This is seriously getting annoying.

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Nancy I like playing this fun game with you

<3

It’s just really frustrating that some people either are misreading my posts or cherrypicking ones to push me, when I’ve explained my thoughts like about a gazillion times now but if scum jumps on me, then at least I might have some idea who to vote for and rn, RAD’s 180 on me looks the worst. I don’t buy this sudden intuition out of the blue bs. At least bird and Ceph gave reasons.

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but you have to call me best bird now

No, bad bird. you’re either clearly not reading my posts or Titus might not be wrong. No way you still sr us here.

~N

Your slot literally called my reads bad, but then said my town reads were good, and when pressed said 4 reads were bad, and then when i asked why the scum reads were bad i was met with responses other then actually helping me understand.

Sorry - help me out here.

I really don’t know how but what’s already in my ISO. Do you seriously think I’m playing anything like I did when I replaced Lilith in that game here?

Like I pushed an flaming obvtown slot - Mena. Like Idk how you cannnot see the difference here? I didn’t try to do any actual solving in that game.

I did like your trs, yes but in addition to knowing your read on us is wrong, I pretty much lock tr OtH. Marci has a distinct alignment-based posting style and Mala gets huge town points for mindmelding with me on that. Also Gamma has a really good meta read on both of our heads.

As for the rest, this is obviously town!Dunn. He’s been really solving and he’s not trying to control the gamestate or push any kind of agenda. Taly is like they were in insect game/Anything uPick/Slaughter Hour. CSF is really bring super solvey as well and that’s extremely town indicative for her.

Did I leave anyone out? can’t remember?

~N

Did he read this post? Obviously not, he’s ignoring very clear evidence that I’m town here.

i may regret asking this but... what clear evidence?

To anyone who has meta on me but I also think my play here has been extremely protown. No one currently sr me has probably even looked at my scumgames and Penguin claims not to remember.

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Why not? Anything goes in a bastard game. DNA seems pretty Townie. I know no one else can see it but I think they’re town.

can you explain how you got to this townread of them?

It’s more they have had spicy reads and been open and communicative. I have played with both heads before and one of the heads (imho) tends not to effort. I kinda don’t want to share their spicy reads without permission but I don’t see scum saying some things.

You're protecting them when this entire time they could have circumvented their own restriction by sharing what they had in their PT.
Corwin also seemed to have dropped the suspicion so I'm going to assume they either disagreed with IRcher/RH's take or you're lying about their takes.

?? I am sorry I don’t follow. Can you restate this?

If I lie about any takes I would just be counter claimed and C&G just says “I never said that”

Then I get turbo yeeted

I don’t lie about what C&G says even if you incorrectly think I am scum.

I've been playing with Andante lately and you wouldn't believe the stuff they say other people say when they didn't.
You're a different type of unbelievable.

That’s not my experience playing with her but that’s irrelevant to this game.

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RAD’s 180 on me looks the worst

Lol. What 180? Null to scum is a 90. <3

Because of your sudden “intuition”? Based on what? You keep saying this bs about not ignoring your intuition anymore but this apparently epiphany only happened after bird made a bad read on me, so yeah I find that pretty suss.

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To anyone who has meta on me but I also think my play here has been extremely protown. No one currently sr me has probably even looked at my scumgames and Penguin claims not to remember.

i guess we disagree about what clear evidence is

fwiw i think the extent of your reliance on meta is quite extreme; not that that is a bad thing, but i don't think it's fair to expect everyone else to also play from a meta-first viewpoint

It’s not just meta, I think my play has been very obviously protown, so the only reason it looks as to why I’m suddenly being sr is that I didn’t have a chill reaction to bird’s scumread on me because I seriously would expect him to not seriously be this horrible at reading me.

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RAD’s 180 on me looks the worst

Lol. What 180? Null to scum is a 90. <3

Because of your sudden “intuition”? Based on what? You keep saying this bs about not ignoring your intuition anymore but this apparently epiphany only happened after bird made a bad read on me, so yeah I find that pretty suss.

Yo dp imagine I'm town and I'm being sincere with my read here. It means I've been stewing on it for some time now and it reached a boiling point. There's a shit ton of content in this game and I cannot keep track of it all. I've openly iso'd multiple people and even given cases on some.

Can you imagine that being a possibility?

I said I would look into it tomorrow.

Relax.

Rad saying his version of his line one more time for good measure

Lol your 2954 isn't wrong

You’re talking to me like you tr me, so this literally doesn’t make any sense. You’re asking me to have faith that your sr on me is genuine? If you’re asking me to trust you on that. than how in the actual fuck are you even sr me here?

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Math are you going to be on tonight?

I feel you looked at the VCs and came to the same conclusion I did regarding Frogstar so mindmeld suggests a bit of town. Nancy townreads you, so I'd like to talk before I post my current reads at the end of the night.

~Titus

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Unsigned is Nancy usually.

~Titus

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Why frog ceph

he stopped being rational

When was he ever?

~Titus

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Why frog ceph

he stopped being rational

You think he'd be more careful as scum?

*crosses arms*

What's your BBT read?

Do you think Frogster BBT and Cephrir are all town?

~Titus

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VOTE: best bird

I’ve decided that bird has shown 0 interest in correctly trying to parse me and his interactions with my slot look fake to me in retrospect.

It’s seriously scummy how he was dismissing all of my arguments and constantly twisting what I said. Town!Penguin would have already realized I was town by now.

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VOTE: best bird

I’ve decided that bird has shown 0 interest in correctly trying to parse me and his interactions with my slot look fake to me in retrospect.

It’s seriously scummy how he was dismissing all of my arguments and constantly twisting what I said. Town!Penguin would have already realized I was town by now.

I endorse this vote but for his early game. I haven't read the middle.

~Titus

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Math are you going to be on tonight?

I feel you looked at the VCs and came to the same conclusion I did regarding Frogstar so mindmeld suggests a bit of town. Nancy townreads you, so I'd like to talk before I post my current reads at the end of the night.

~Titus

I am falling asleep

I have like maybe 5 minutes of sleepy

Tomorrow it is.

Before you go, can you give me your thoughts on the bird, dwlee and johnny?

~Titus

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Why frog ceph

he stopped being rational

You think he'd be more careful as scum?

*crosses arms*

What's your BBT read?

Do you think Frogster BBT and Cephrir are all town?

~Titus

Ceph town, Frog not, BBT is still on my null list. Who are you confusing me with?

Why do you think I am confusing you with someone?

~Titus

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This head has a goal to sort Johnny tomorrow. I don't remember anything of note from him and I have no tonal read.

I really want Frogsterking to be scum because it's easy and irrational. The problem is my theories work so much better with BBT as scum. They could both be scum together but I'm not feeling that at all based on Frogster v BBT wagons and the inability to get consensus since.

So Math, just a heads up, that's what I want to resolve.

~Titus

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Math are you going to be on tonight?

I feel you looked at the VCs and came to the same conclusion I did regarding Frogstar so mindmeld suggests a bit of town. Nancy townreads you, so I'd like to talk before I post my current reads at the end of the night.

~Titus

I am falling asleep

I have like maybe 5 minutes of sleepy

Tomorrow it is.

Before you go, can you give me your thoughts on the bird, dwlee and johnny?

~Titus

Bird seems to be Penguin. Didn’t see anything scummy. Not sure I follow your argument I think y’all are TvT but with the amount of reading it’s hard to go in-depth.
Dwlee hasn’t posted
Johnny I don’t have a super strong opinion either way.

There was a wagon building on him and I stopped it but suddenly I’m nis #1 sr? Like how is that ever a genuine read?

And he also before that sr Dunn for tr me. I am frequently nk’d early in games, so I can see why scum would jump at the chance to push my miselim.

~N

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As for C&G the feeling is decidedly mutual. Is RH9 reading me? Or is it Ircher?

Both for deviance.
-Guanine

If you’re not actually post-restricted in your PT, than maybe Math can explain your reads in the main thread?

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Good night folks! I'll see y'all tomorrow evening from the water again!

~Titus

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VOTE: best bird

I’ve decided that bird has shown 0 interest in correctly trying to parse me and his interactions with my slot look fake to me in retrospect.

It’s seriously scummy how he was dismissing all of my arguments and constantly twisting what I said. Town!Penguin would have already realized I was town by now.

do you keep track of how often your omgus scumreads are actually correct

They’re definitely not less accurate, so that’s not really a good metric for me not to sr someone. I also really hated that he kept misrepping my posting. I made it extremely clear that he was wrong on other slots besudes line but as soon as I said that town!him ought to be tr me, he tried to make it seem like I had somehow either changed my mind about those other reads or that I was somehow being insincere when there’s 0 correlation between the two of them.

He also hasn’t even given a single reason for why would he had me between yellow, orange and red. Why would scum!me try to stop his wagon but because I said he’s frequent miselimbait, that’s somehow scum indicative? Like in what world? I have seen him pushed in Happy Face and don’t recall but didn’t he get miselimed in that? It’s a seriously weird take to make f he’s town even if he disagrees with it. to assume that the person saying it is scummy opposed to just being wrong. Where’s the scum motivation - right or wrong - in someone saying that? Like that’s really fucked up.

~N

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where is marci?

im right hwre wtf

any questions? i woke up to like 20 new pages DHUDUSJ

when i read, i thought that the math wagon seems like a low blow. i feel bad for attacking a replacement so soon and i feel like i want to give them a bit more time yo get into the game before anything else.

i feel like bell looks really bad from that, it just sort of aeemed like bell was trying to egg on luke while not taking responsibilty for himself

Bell is so obvtown here it hurts.

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VOTE: Corwin
100 D1 Words Total PR Excluding Quotes (Jin)
-Guanine

Definitely believe this and think it’s probably +town because scum would be more likely to not specify the D1 part. But more importantly, neither of these players are Yume.

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Just metadived Corwin and BBT and based on that, feel even stronger that Bell’s Corwin take is correct and BBT could possibly be scum here. Whomever said he sounds the same is either alignment - Idk what you’re smoking. Town!BBT is off the charts townie in his towngames.

I feel more confident on Math!town because scum!Corwin is a major tryhard but town!Corwin gets really annoyed when pushed.

Pooky, move Ceph, MT, Mathblade to town and Rad to null, thanks,

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where is marci?

im right hwre wtf

any questions? i woke up to like 20 new pages DHUDUSJ

when i read, i thought that the math wagon seems like a low blow. i feel bad for attacking a replacement so soon and i feel like i want to give them a bit more time yo get into the game before anything else.

i feel like bell looks really bad from that, it just sort of aeemed like bell was trying to egg on luke while not taking responsibilty for himself

Bell is so obvtown here it hurts.

how is he obvtown?

Have you ever played with scum!Bell? He’s town here, trust me on that.

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Just metadived Corwin and BBT and based on that, feel even stronger that Bell’s Corwin take is correct and BBT could possibly be scum here. Whomever said he sounds the same is either alignment - Idk what you’re smoking. Town!BBT is off the charts townie in his towngames.

I feel more confident on Math!town because scum!Corwin is a major tryhard but town!Corwin gets really annoyed when pushed.

Pooky, move Ceph, MT, Mathblade to town and Rad to null, thanks,

Also move T-Bone to null as well. I think I’m probably wrong on one of BBT or T-Bone. They don’t appear to be aligned.

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Replacing the Toad

Hopefully this slot will become more readable but I still think Toad sounded different here than in Schadd’s game.

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Puppets, dwlee, Dunn, Bird, and one of the non voters?

I have read nothing but I’m pretty confident in my solve.

Are you seriously sr us? And your Dunn read is also bad. Have no idea about Dwlee.

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I have read nothing but I’m pretty confident in my solve.

Oh so this is a troll then?

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You might not be good, but I think Titus is quicker to push you as town than you are. My meta is limited though.

I was talking about the game we recently finished when hq was yelling at me for not voting you when I knew you were town. It was based on our team mafia game. At the moment I don't have a strong opinion on your slot.

I think I have quite a few low key scum reads but nothing glaring. I'm happier with my town reads than I was, so I think I'm just overwhelmed by the amount of posting. There were 20+ pages overnight and when I caught up I didn't find a lot of it helpful for sorting people.

Yeah but after I calmed down, I realized he was town and then he obtowned by sacrificing himself for Enchant. That’s why I’m the better Math reader > Titus.

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I played with town!Drap in Happy Face, this is pretty consistent with his play in that. Everyone thought he was scum based on the way he made reads but flipped town in that, so my tr on that slot is actually strengthened.

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@RAD no more thoughts on us?

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Save the Dragons also sus all his posts are IIoA smh

STD=lockscum

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Just metadived Corwin and BBT and based on that, feel even stronger that Bell’s Corwin take is correct and BBT could possibly be scum here. Whomever said he sounds the same is either alignment - Idk what you’re smoking. Town!BBT is off the charts townie in his towngames.

I feel more confident on Math!town because scum!Corwin is a major tryhard but town!Corwin gets really annoyed when pushed.

Pooky, move Ceph, MT, Mathblade to town and Rad to null, thanks,

Bbt would hard disagree with you here and has been quite loudly proclaiming that just because he just acted to me exactly the same way he acted in our just finished newbie where he was scum, it doesn't mean anything. I'd be curious about your take on our set to.

I read some of his games and he was supertownie in his towngames.

I still think your town, why?

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Just metadived Corwin and BBT and based on that, feel even stronger that Bell’s Corwin take is correct and BBT could possibly be scum here. Whomever said he sounds the same is either alignment - Idk what you’re smoking. Town!BBT is off the charts townie in his towngames.

I feel more confident on Math!town because scum!Corwin is a major tryhard but town!Corwin gets really annoyed when pushed.

Hahaha. Hold this L. This is quoted for end of game.

I fucking love my sig.

The meta read on Corwin is equally bad, too.

This isn’t any quote from any game. Why is it bad? Town!Corwin sounded pretty irritated in the game I read. I’m more than happy to link the games.

[Dancing Puppets]

I can show you scum!Corwin getting irritated too? So what?

I have quoted it to show you how bad this is post game.

Okay, do it then. I have no problem being proven wrong if that is indeed the case.

I still think the slot is town even if I’m wrong on that.

[Dancing Puppets]

I only have limited experience with corwin but he was irritated and not try hard in the newbie where he was scum z- he got pissed off at vasex, muddled up reads and dissapeared in elo.

Okay so he apparently gets pissed as both alignments, so probably should just focus on Math.

[Dancing Puppets]

I agree, the slot is likely to be town.

You said you did a meta dive. How did you miss one of his most recent games?

It was actually two games only. Both of you were the same alignment in each: one scum and one town.

[Dancing Puppets]

I upset scum!Corwin terribly as town!Rad, so much that he called me out after the game. His emotions are just legit emotions from a person with legit time problems and I believe he would absolutely get upset at people calling him out on inactivity regardless of his alignment.

Alright, I stand corrected.

[Dancing Puppets]

I don’t really feel much from Rad. But it might be an idiosyncracy thing.
Tbh, I’ve started scum reading them for awhile now. But they’re low in my priority list.

Rad's recent flip on DP I think it was was pretty terrible

It concerned me more that they didn’t really have too much to say about us but seemed to omgus read MT and Drap.

How do you read T-Bone? I keep being up and down on that slot.

[Dancing Puppets]

I think scum!Bella wants to make sure town!Rad continues to lose townie points here by continuing down this path:

Think I need to iso rad too. I thought their initial response to puppets was fine but then their tone shifted a bit in a way that felt new to me.

Not saying you shouldn't ISO me if you feel the need Bella, but this scenario is a layup for scum!Bella to just lean into how my tone shifted and it's feeling scummy to you now.

Happy to be town again with town!Bella! I do read you more as town this game than our last one though which makes me suspicious of you XD But yeah for sure leaning town on you pretty hard.

Is everyone who didn’t love your flip on us scum here?

[Dancing Puppets]

I think scum!Bella wants to make sure town!Rad continues to lose townie points here by continuing down this path:

Think I need to iso rad too. I thought their initial response to puppets was fine but then their tone shifted a bit in a way that felt new to me.

Not saying you shouldn't ISO me if you feel the need Bella, but this scenario is a layup for scum!Bella to just lean into how my tone shifted and it's feeling scummy to you now.

Happy to be town again with town!Bella! I do read you more as town this game than our last one though which makes me suspicious of you XD But yeah for sure leaning town on you pretty hard.

I probably should have included this at the beginning of my last post:

Cool, rads still town.

If it wasn't obvious, this comment is what drove my 3110 post.

Oh, I still think she’s town but if I’m wrong on that, it could possibly affect other reads of mine but rn, I’m not particularly worried.

[Dancing Puppets]

It concerned me more that they didn’t really have too much to say about us but seemed to omgus read MT and Drap.

How do you read T-Bone? I keep being up and down on that slot.

The biggest thing for me was that he said he had been leaning scum on you all game but did absolutely nothing to try and further/push that read.

I don't have a read on T-Bone, I can't say I have paid him a great deal of attention. I find a lot of the things he posts to be NAI.

I do remember him town reading Ceph as his wagon was building which I kind of liked. He also voted OTH at one point which I kind of liked, too.

Well nothing in his posting indicated that. It’s true he had us in his readslist as a null but the sudden sr did seem to come out of the blue.

[Dancing Puppets]

Umm I’m 4 pages deep and lukewarm is scum but no one cares?

What seriously? What are you even basing this on?

[Dancing Puppets]

Umm I’m 4 pages deep and lukewarm is scum but no one cares?

What seriously? What are you even basing this on?

I’m basing it off of the first 4 pages. What a silly question.

I’m obviously asking for a more specific answer.

[Dancing Puppets]

...(that's a little condescending )

Also, people are really a lot more aware of their reads status than I am, generally? That's you, Luke and bbt that's bought it up.

Shit was I coming across as condescending? Sorry that wasn't my intent at all!

I'm very aware of the reads that came from pooky's collection and I think the heavy town reads absolutely need to be the focus of scum here. Any possible slip up of heavy town reads should be immediately pounced on by scum if town doesn't do it for them. Not saying it necessarily makes players who pounce scum, but it needs to happen one way or the other. So I'm definitely interested in focusing on people who may opportunistically jump at me for my DP read and the fact that you could but didn't screams townie to me.

What is your current DP read?

[Dancing Puppets]

I never watched Lost so all flavor is completely, ahem, lost on me. Happy to be town though!

Wolfy entrance.
VOTE: Rad

Lukewarm and Bell give early towny vibes.

Bad take. I’m probably scum for this post.

I have no idea wtf you’re doing in this game but it’s hella entertaining.

[Dancing Puppets]

I dunno, like...pooky was pretty heavily town read, including by me early game, and now I too am just not feeling it - but that could be scummy, according to you?

P-edit I feel like you kinda just answered this.

Pooky is still a really hard tr for me. Like him moving me from yellow to green but not actually saying anything about it. Why does scum!Pooky squander an opportune chance at hard pocketing me?

[Dancing Puppets]

Umm I’m 4 pages deep and lukewarm is scum but no one cares?

What seriously? What are you even basing this on?

I’m basing it off of the first 4 pages. What a silly question.

I’m obviously asking for a more specific answer.

I think the way flavor was approached by multiple other slots (Bell, BBT for example) Felt organic. The way Luke approached it felt more like a tool, ergo not organic. It might be overzealousness of knowing the flavor and wanting to talk about it but if that’s the case my read probably falls off further into the thread.

If I had to strip everything away I’d say it’s like, other slots were engaging in a conversation that Luke felt they needed to be inserted into.

Even at the time they are getting townreada for it so idk maybe I’m crazy.

I will reISO him but his tr me for being “indignant” - I think that’s the word he used sounded genuine to me.

[Dancing Puppets]

...(that's a little condescending )

Also, people are really a lot more aware of their reads status than I am, generally? That's you, Luke and bbt that's bought it up.

Shit was I coming across as condescending? Sorry that wasn't my intent at all!

I'm very aware of the reads that came from pooky's collection and I think the heavy town reads absolutely need to be the focus of scum here. Any possible slip up of heavy town reads should be immediately pounced on by scum if town doesn't do it for them. Not saying it necessarily makes players who pounce scum, but it needs to happen one way or the other. So I'm definitely interested in focusing on people who may opportunistically jump at me for my DP read and the fact that you could but didn't screams townie to me.

What is your current DP read?

LOL please relax on that, I will get to you when I get to you. I'm busy responding in real time to shit and haven't even begun looking into your ISO. I'm starting to read malcolm's first anyway as his reaction to all this was way more sus. You have 268 posts, now the most in the game, and I have never ISO'd you. If town!DP, please forgive me for not having an up to date absolute read on you and instead just suggesting that maybe you're scum based on some feels I got over time. Let me get to it tonight. If I come up with a logical scum read on you I'll post my 8 page dissertation about it then.

I honestly don’t know how to read this. You sound very genuine but it’s still really strange to me that you want me to trust you on your read on me, even if it’s scum. Do you see my issue with this?

[Dancing Puppets]

I’m to be insufferable all game. all fucking game..

I mean at least I can talk to the dead.

VOTE: dancingpuppets

I probably would not have revealed that until you learned something useful from a dead player, but :shrug:

This post reads +townie to me.

[Dancing Puppets]

To simplify the fuck out of my thoughts here:

1. Are you (anyone reading me scum) scum for reading me scum? NO
2. Does scum have to knock me down from my heavy town read? YES
3. Can town do that for them? YES
4. Does scum need to do it if town doesn't? YES
5. Why does scum need to do that? Because I'm town and heavily town read and scum can't survive if town solves the game properly.

So what do you make of RCE pushing Luke? I’m actually a bit suss on him now and it has nothing to do with him reading me wrong but it’s really hard to tell with him. \_0_/

[Dancing Puppets]

Sus on me or sus on Luke?

You. Why is Luke even scummy? Like I’m just thinking you pushing Luke is the kind of thing you’d do as scum.

[Dancing Puppets]

I’m to be insufferable all game. all fucking game..

I mean at least I can talk to the dead.

VOTE: dancingpuppets

I probably would not have revealed that until you learned something useful from a dead player, but :shrug:

This post reads +townie to me.

Literally right before this, Luke dropped a flavor claim. Well a soft. I don’t put much stock into a first post claim that isn’t like miller or ascetic or something. Mala could be doing anything. I think the townie reaction is to ignore it or wifom it.

It’s also like…hypocritical to call them out on this when they just dropped flavor info. And if the counter argument is that flavor didn’t matter, why ask Bell about it right after?

He wasn’t shading Mala with this, so don’t get your point?

[Dancing Puppets]

No, I'm saying that any town slot that's being widely read as town is horrendously dangerous to scum and they need to be taken down a slot. Maybe town accomplishes that for them, or maybe scum has to push it. But it has to happen.

Do you disagree?

Yeah, I do.

Just kill them? Unless their reads are bad, then let them live and continue making bad pushes while leading town?

You disagree?

I kind’ve agree with RAD, scum does need to tear apart a strong townblock to succeed. Obviously if that widely read townslot starts actually looking scummy, that’s different.

[Dancing Puppets]

Spoiler: Titus Readwall with few reasons 2.0

BlueBloodedToffee - Scum
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus) - Mystery Detectives
Malakittens - Townlean
Taly Toogeloo - Town, sheeping Nancy until we interact
PookyTheMagicalBear - Town for the day
MalcolmTucker - Would Lim
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar) - Hard town
ProfessorDrapion Galron - Galron was p town
Cephrir - Don't want to eliminate Day 1, gtmh town
Frogsterking - I want this to be scum, not sure if they are
Roden - Forgetable ok compromise
Rad - Don't want to lim but would do it
Corwinoid aka Math now - Town (mind meld Frogster vote)
The toad - Tonal townread
Enchant - Tonal townread
Dwlee99 - Would lim
Bellaphant - gmth town
Klick - Needs more shiny words
Bell - Hard town
Dunnstral - Probtown
JohnnyFarrar - Needs sorting
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9) - Weak townread
T-Bone - Town for the day
Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey - Probtown
Lukewarm - Probtown
Best Bird PenguinPower - Prob scum

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

You're scum reading me Titus?

This is so funny.

Pedit - First part is about Rad, T-bone.

Why?

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

I guess it depends on the skill level of the scum team? It's my experience that scum just kills the top town read player so as to not overthink things. Sure scum could decide something different but in general, isn't that just what happens?

Right, OK. So you agree that scum can just kill top town reads.

So, why bother wasting energy and drawing attention to themselves in thread by trying to push/discredit them?

You're literally arguing against your own original point here.

Scum does this kind of thing all the time. Why nk a slot you can just get miselimed? Titus literally did that to tpr!Scorpius in that mini normal.

Okay RAD is back to green. I like this take from him.

[Dancing Puppets]

It concerned me more that they didn’t really have too much to say about us but seemed to omgus read MT and Drap.

How do you read T-Bone? I keep being up and down on that slot.

The biggest thing for me was that he said he had been leaning scum on you all game but did absolutely nothing to try and further/push that read.

I don't have a read on T-Bone, I can't say I have paid him a great deal of attention. I find a lot of the things he posts to be NAI.

I do remember him town reading Ceph as his wagon was building which I kind of liked. He also voted OTH at one point which I kind of liked, too.

Is the first paragraph in reference to me? I'm pretty sure I've only voiced that Puppet remains in my null/would vote list because I don't have a reason yet to remove them. For me personally, I'm waiting to see if that slot has any real substance. So far, I feel like they haven't. I haven't quite decided whether their insistence that everyone take meta super seriously is a crutch, or because they really have nothing of substance because they are scum. It seems most players in the game believe it's the first thing, not the second. I just don't know at this stage.

It isn’t a “crutch” and I don’t like you miscaracterizing it that way. I have also given plenty of non-meta reads too.

[Dancing Puppets]

Did Nancy or titus post 3167?

Nancy. If it's unsigned, it's usually Nancy as she's the more vocal head. I've struggled with RL on and off.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Because I know you use meta. So, yeah, I'll enjoy that post game I guess.

Any reasons why I'm scum? Or just meta?

?
You claim I use meta?

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Noted. DP is likely town.

When did that happen? I thought we were part of your “hero” solve.

[Dancing Puppets]

Sorry I'm not trying to suggest that you're doing anything wrong. If there are non-meta reasons you are reading players they are getting drowned out by your endless references to meta and past games.

Do you and Nancy not have games together? Modded or modded by?

Idr any but could be wrong.

[Dancing Puppets]

Hi Titus,

Why am I scum?

The mystical VCA. I didn't get a hello. I don't see solving.

I need hugs and constant affirmation I'm a good person.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Noted. DP is likely town.

When did that happen? I thought we were part of your “hero” solve.

My solve got better that’s all.

You're Toad right. Toads are green. Therefore, you are green. All green creatures are town. Therefore, you are town.

Easy townhunting.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Hi Titus,

Why am I scum?

The mystical VCA. I didn't get a hello. I don't see solving.

I need hugs and constant affirmation I'm a good person.

~Titus

Not in a mafia setting but, same.

Me too but I'm projecting my insecurities onto Mafia.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

The mystical VCA. I didn't get a hello. I don't see solving.

I need hugs and constant affirmation I'm a good person.

~Titus

I mean, I JUST said Hi.

You haven't seen solving? That's not fair. I've done plenty.

What are your contributions? How accurate are my reasonless reads?

I miss things. I'll try to find my hello.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

What are your contributions?

Wow. How rude.

A scumread objects to how I call them out and selectively responds ignoring the spot to provide content.

This never happens.

:shockedpickahu:

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Bella, your reads list gives me sads.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

@titus, why?

Your town section is missing town, Klick is too high and just a general nonvibing.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Klick is just on their first few posts. My null section probably does hi some town in, and probably some scum, but because pooky wants three colours I wanted a town group I was most confident in

The first few posts by Klick are the only ones I've read....and they felt awkward. They've been mia since I returned. What made you feel do strong on them?

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

*snorts*

Spoiler: Titus Readwall with few reasons 2.0

BlueBloodedToffee - Scum
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus) - Mystery Detectives
Malakittens - Townlean
Taly Toogeloo - Town, sheeping Nancy until we interact
PookyTheMagicalBear - Town for the day
MalcolmTucker - Would Lim
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar) - Hard town
ProfessorDrapion Galron - Galron was p town
Cephrir - Don't want to eliminate Day 1, gtmh town
Frogsterking - I want this to be scum, not sure if they are
Roden - Forgetable ok compromise
Rad - Don't want to lim but would do it
Corwinoid aka Math now - Town (mind meld Frogster vote)
The toad - Tonal townread
Enchant - Tonal townread
Dwlee99 - Would lim
Bellaphant - gmth town
Klick - Needs more shiny words
Bell - Hard town
Dunnstral - Probtown
JohnnyFarrar - Needs sorting
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9) - Weak townread
T-Bone - Town for the day
Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey - Probtown
Lukewarm - Probtown
Best Bird PenguinPower - Prob scum

~Titus

pick my brain

titus <3

also

nancy

idk if im very similar to

Slaughter-Hour!Taly

, i havent tasted blood yet, could you elaborate?

Cephrir wants feedback on Johnny. Johnny and Malcolm are good places to expand. Klick too.

Kinda like the large townblock vibe going on, minus lack of wagons.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

*snorts*

Spoiler: Titus Readwall with few reasons 2.0

BlueBloodedToffee - Scum
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus) - Mystery Detectives
Malakittens - Townlean
Taly Toogeloo - Town, sheeping Nancy until we interact
PookyTheMagicalBear - Town for the day
MalcolmTucker - Would Lim
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar) - Hard town
ProfessorDrapion Galron - Galron was p town
Cephrir - Don't want to eliminate Day 1, gtmh town
Frogsterking - I want this to be scum, not sure if they are
Roden - Forgetable ok compromise
Rad - Don't want to lim but would do it
Corwinoid aka Math now - Town (mind meld Frogster vote)
The toad - Tonal townread
Enchant - Tonal townread
Dwlee99 - Would lim
Bellaphant - gmth town
Klick - Needs more shiny words
Bell - Hard town
Dunnstral - Probtown
JohnnyFarrar - Needs sorting
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9) - Weak townread
T-Bone - Town for the day
Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey - Probtown
Lukewarm - Probtown
Best Bird PenguinPower - Prob scum

~Titus

pick my brain

titus <3

also

nancy

idk if im very similar to

Slaughter-Hour!Taly

, i havent tasted blood yet, could you elaborate?

Cephrir wants feedback on Johnny. Johnny and Malcolm are good places to expand. Klick too.

Kinda like the large townblock vibe going on, minus lack of wagons.

~Titus

I actually have a super spicy read but I am not sure if I want to share it yet. It’s kinda weird and moonlogicky. I want to ruminate on it more when not working.

Fair.

Luke, that readslist is pretty bonkers (in a good way).

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Luke, that readslist is pretty bonkers (in a good way).

~Titus

Thanks? Lol

Yeah, there's only a couple reads I take issue with and they aren't major.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

@luke:

Why roden and Rce so low??

What has Roden done that's memorable?

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

*snorts*

Spoiler: Titus Readwall with few reasons 2.0

BlueBloodedToffee - Scum
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus) - Mystery Detectives
Malakittens - Townlean
Taly Toogeloo - Town, sheeping Nancy until we interact
PookyTheMagicalBear - Town for the day
MalcolmTucker - Would Lim
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar) - Hard town
ProfessorDrapion Galron - Galron was p town
Cephrir - Don't want to eliminate Day 1, gtmh town
Frogsterking - I want this to be scum, not sure if they are
Roden - Forgetable ok compromise
Rad - Don't want to lim but would do it
Corwinoid aka Math now - Town (mind meld Frogster vote)
The toad - Tonal townread
Enchant - Tonal townread
Dwlee99 - Would lim
Bellaphant - gmth town
Klick - Needs more shiny words
Bell - Hard town
Dunnstral - Probtown
JohnnyFarrar - Needs sorting
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9) - Weak townread
T-Bone - Town for the day
Cat Scratch Fever humaneatingmonkey - Probtown
Lukewarm - Probtown
Best Bird PenguinPower - Prob scum

~Titus

pick my brain

titus <3

also

nancy

idk if im very similar to

Slaughter-Hour!Taly

, i havent tasted blood yet, could you elaborate?

Your thought process looks similar to those two games, especially Anything uPick. I was obviously paying a lot more attention in that game.

[Dancing Puppets]

@Titus, I cross referenced our reads list.

We agreed on:
Mala
Off The Hook
Cytosine and Guanine
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever
Bell
Dunn
MathBlade
Pooky
Rad
Ceph

Frogster ?

Klick
BlueBloodedTofee
Dwlee
Best Bird, Penguin Power
Roden

----

We disagreed on
{You havee town, I didnt}
The toad - Tonal townread
Enchant - Tonal townread
Bellaphant - gmth town
ProfessorDrapion Galron - Galron was p town
Taly Toogeloo - Town, sheeping Nancy until we interact

{I have town, you didn't}
MalcolmTucker - Would Lim
JohnnyFarrar - Needs sorting

----

which of those read differences led to you thinking that my list was "bonkers"?

I think Johnny’s > rand likely to be town and don’t really have a problem with MT. Enchant is probably null for me. I actually liked RCE’s weird progression on us and still think Toad was different here than in Schadd’s game.

[Dancing Puppets]

I'd be rather happy with a Roden vote
I have no opinion on Dwlee at all

pretty much the same. However, not sure if I want to move off from bb yet.

[Dancing Puppets]

Who did math replace? For continuity in my read up.

Corwin

[Dancing Puppets]

Taly, i remember you had intended to sort a few of your null slots. Have you made any progress there?

---

The only thing I got out of these pages is that i want to cross RCE off m lim pool for today

crossing out

tbone

,

offthehook

,

penguin

, and

mala

.

rethinking the

cor/math

slot.

leaving-

malcolm

/

ceph

/

klick

/

enchant

/

frogs

/

BBT

/

RCEnigma

, haven't actually dug into ISOs much though.

p-edit

Corwinoid @ RCEnigma

Why is bb town? Obviously agree with OtH/Mala,

[Dancing Puppets]

I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess it’s corwin.

[Dancing Puppets]

I guess I should mention though that roden!scum is contingent on ceph!town. In light of a roden!town flip I resume screaming for Ceph's head on a platter, given Roden's comments about Ceph's scum game.

I like this post.

[Dancing Puppets]

@Titus, I cross referenced our reads list.

We agreed on:
Mala
Off The Hook
Cytosine and Guanine
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever
Bell
Dunn
MathBlade
Pooky
Rad
Ceph

Frogster ?

Klick
BlueBloodedTofee
Dwlee
Best Bird, Penguin Power
Roden

----

We disagreed on
{You havee town, I didnt}
The toad - Tonal townread
Enchant - Tonal townread
Bellaphant - gmth town
ProfessorDrapion Galron - Galron was p town
Taly Toogeloo - Town, sheeping Nancy until we interact

{I have town, you didn't}
MalcolmTucker - Would Lim
JohnnyFarrar - Needs sorting

----

which of those read differences led to you thinking that my list was "bonkers"?

I don't think you understood. I was liking how close we mostly were.

[Dancing Puppets]

I didn't get much from maths' posting, which is strange because last game with them I was adamant about them being town to a very unbella-like point of intransigence.

This is probably because Corwin/MathBlade is just a scum slot and should die today

VOTE: MathBlade

I don't really think Corwin's body of work looks like scumhunting, it looks more like projecting reads into the thread to look like he's scumhunting

There's a hood you need to actually talk in. You're aware of Math's presence, yet you give no comment on HIS posting. You completely looked over my notes covering my initial attempts at readying. You can RVS in there. Bring more than muckracing or eliminating you will be a hill I would die on....and I love neighborhoods.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

@Titus, I cross referenced our reads list.

We agreed on:
Mala
Off The Hook
Cytosine and Guanine
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever
Bell
Dunn
MathBlade
Pooky
Rad
Ceph

Frogster ?

Klick
BlueBloodedTofee
Dwlee
Best Bird, Penguin Power
Roden

----

We disagreed on
{You havee town, I didnt}
The toad - Tonal townread
Enchant - Tonal townread
Bellaphant - gmth town
ProfessorDrapion Galron - Galron was p town
Taly Toogeloo - Town, sheeping Nancy until we interact

{I have town, you didn't}
MalcolmTucker - Would Lim
JohnnyFarrar - Needs sorting

----

which of those read differences led to you thinking that my list was "bonkers"?

I think Johnny’s > rand likely to be town and don’t really have a problem with MT. Enchant is probably null for me. I actually liked RCE’s weird progression on us and still think Toad was different here than in Schadd’s game.

Nancy, do NOT answer questions directed at me unless I tell you.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

i would like to flip mathblade dude is probly not town

Pooky, I'm townreading Math, Nancy TRs Math and he doesn't appear to be uberspamming. That's not a vote I want.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

And roden has been dead null to me all game. Felt inoffensive all day in a way that does not align with my prior experience with him as town. Nothing that made me go (!!SCUM!!), but also just not making me think town at any point

I find that people in this section of my reads really often are just scum who no one can be bothered to vote because they're never the *best* vote

I'd be rather happy with a Roden vote
I have no opinion on Dwlee at all

This is why I'm trying to herd Townies into the direction of these two players.

Highlighting Klick's current vote is Math, not Roden Dwlee or BB.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Taly, I feel like I've been a massive distrustful misanthrope.
But like, I try to kill the people that are the least sortable not the most.
Your decision to kill active posters that you think is scum isn't a good idea. Esp. Here, where there are probably two active scum posters max.

And you're voting Math...

Like i don't even

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

If there's one thing I show zero interest in, it's team speculation day 1

Bleh. Pluh. Puh.





Puh.

I get it's difficult to nail down D1 but it's something I unapologetically enjoy. Dunno, maybe it's just my style in that I like to look for links between different players and consider how scum teammates might interact. I'd certainly not advocate for an elimination solely on the basis of a grander team theory but I don't think there's any harm in putting ideas out there when you have them.

I'd like to trade theories.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

it feels like this push on math is scum motivated.

i think everyone was content to just shade corwin before, (sort of like how johnnys being treated) but now that mathblades repped in it feels like people are like "oh shit"

wake up please everybody, you just keep letting johnny slide by unchecked.
this is an obv move to save johnny imo

Agree with Klick motivation, especially given the push and bounce. Anyone who is anyone knows Math's response to pressure is to hyperpost. It's a compulsion regardless of his alignment. Math hyperposting would cause reads to get stale and disorient the strong townblock.

We vote Klick. Sorry Nancy, Bella is wrong.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Taly, I feel like I've been a massive distrustful misanthrope.
But like, I try to kill the people that are the least sortable not the most.
Your decision to kill active posters that you think is scum isn't a good idea. Esp. Here, where there are probably two active scum posters max.

And you're voting Math...

Like i don't even

~Titus

*Points politely to your nose*
In all my games with you, you've misread mathblade more than you've read him correctly.

It's not just me. Nancy TRs him separately.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Not feelin' Klick town. Considered killing them. Decided that a mystery is something to be solved.

Talk through it with me? His ISO looks fine?

Yes, their iso looks fine.
That's it.

Did you factor in that he's done nothing in our neighborhood?

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

I didn't get much from maths' posting, which is strange because last game with them I was adamant about them being town to a very unbella-like point of intransigence.

This is probably because Corwin/MathBlade is just a scum slot and should die today

VOTE: MathBlade

VOTE: Klick

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Was this also claimed? I'm losing track of neighborhoods

Not by me. I sat on it. Klick has been my sekkrit scumread.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

This is because in general Math is town more than they are scum.
Like literally everybody else.

But unlike everyone else, his posting is good, he's on his best behavior and lock scum voted him to keep the wagon going. If Math and Nancy wouldn't kill me for faking masons with Math, I would. I will die on that hill.

Be back soon.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

my main hangups with mathblade are:

(1) Corwin was a scummy scum fuck when he was playing

(2) Mathblade doesn't feel very enthusiastic and dude is like a dog with a bone when he reps in as town.

(3) when asked for why he townread C+G in the hood, I don't think his reasoning was very compelling or strong and felt more like TMI.

2) Math has been helping me with real life stuff I can't talk about. Just being a supportive brother.

3) Since when have you thought Math was compelling? You don't speak his language.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

when I say compelling I mean "compelling to

him

"

like a reason that I think he really believes in

when I asked him why C+G was townread in hood, he didn't really seem enthusiastic about anything.

I'd put my stock in mindmeld and obvscum being opportunistic rather than punishing Math for being on his best behavior.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

2) Math has been helping me with real life stuff I can't talk about. Just being a supportive brother.

mathblade is a really good guy and I'm sure he's a good brother and I don't think that has anything to do with the role pm he received in this game.

Agreed but you're using enthusiasm which is basically code for activity.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

he doesnt have to be online 16 hours a day posting 500 times for me to get the feeling that he really believes in something

Yeah, show me where this is true.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Was this also claimed? I'm losing track of neighborhoods

Not by me. I sat on it. Klick has been my sekkrit scumread.

~Titus

Unironically are you pocketing me?

No. I'm too tired to pocket. I'd be chilling back but no one's organizing anything but a popularity contest.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

I didn't get much from maths' posting, which is strange because last game with them I was adamant about them being town to a very unbella-like point of intransigence.

This is probably because Corwin/MathBlade is just a scum slot and should die today

VOTE: MathBlade

VOTE: Klick

~Titus

Bb is a helluva a lot scummier than Klick.

[Dancing Puppets]

UNVOTE:

Will catch up, Klick mindmelded with me on Roden and Dwlee. Not a lim I want to pursue today.

[Dancing Puppets]

I dunno, like...pooky was pretty heavily town read, including by me early game, and now I too am just not feeling it - but that could be scummy, according to you?

P-edit I feel like you kinda just answered this.

Pooky is still a really hard tr for me. Like him moving me from yellow to green but not actually saying anything about it. Why does scum!Pooky squander an opportune chance at hard pocketing me?

I don’t follow. Wouldn’t yellow to green without interaction be a pocket?

How do you figure that?

[Dancing Puppets]

Alright,
Rad - MathBlade - Frog.
Who else?
2 more baby!

IF Frog is scum, he’s the most enthusiastic townie sounding scum I’ve ever seen. I’m just getting a townie WIM from him.

[Dancing Puppets]

I guess it depends on the skill level of the scum team? It's my experience that scum just kills the top town read player so as to not overthink things. Sure scum could decide something different but in general, isn't that just what happens?

Right, OK. So you agree that scum can just kill top town reads.

So, why bother wasting energy and drawing attention to themselves in thread by trying to push/discredit them?

You're literally arguing against your own original point here.

Scum does this kind of thing all the time. Why nk a slot you can just get miselimed? Titus literally did that to tpr!Scorpius in that mini normal.

Okay RAD is back to green. I like this take from him.

Titus in the last game she was scum in…She had takes…bad takes…like Uhmmm wtf takes.

That was me Math, not Titus.

[Dancing Puppets]

i think jf/math r scum

no opinion on dwlee

rad is maybe a townlean atp i dunno.

bella probly town

Thoughts on Klick?

Klick is obvtown

More words please

Klick's scumgame is terrible and I would be shocked if he was somehow scum here

@Pooky, should I sheep you on Math I’m losing my tr on him. :/

In PYP he was more other focusdd than self-focused.

[Dancing Puppets]

I dunno, like...pooky was pretty heavily town read, including by me early game, and now I too am just not feeling it - but that could be scummy, according to you?

P-edit I feel like you kinda just answered this.

Pooky is still a really hard tr for me. Like him moving me from yellow to green but not actually saying anything about it. Why does scum!Pooky squander an opportune chance at hard pocketing me?

I don’t follow. Wouldn’t yellow to green without interaction be a pocket?

How do you figure that?

“Hey look you were null now you’re town can we be friends?” (Fake puppy dog eyes)

You’re not going to get me to change my read on Pooky and this is lame.

[Dancing Puppets]

So pooky is scum is then.

I am very much leaning that way

I don’t like how he up and ghosted.

I also know that pushing on him is a good way for people to never listen to me.

Pooky is town, move on.

[Dancing Puppets]

Why aren’t you voting Pooky if Pooky is scum MB?
Are you voting them and I just missed it?

Because I think that Pooky is a scum lean.

I think Frogger elim and flip explains D1.

I also think no one elims Pooky ever even if he was to be mod confirmed scum D1

I’m not liming my strong tr. And again, this is whack.

[Dancing Puppets]

I dunno, like...pooky was pretty heavily town read, including by me early game, and now I too am just not feeling it - but that could be scummy, according to you?

P-edit I feel like you kinda just answered this.

Pooky is still a really hard tr for me. Like him moving me from yellow to green but not actually saying anything about it. Why does scum!Pooky squander an opportune chance at hard pocketing me?

I don’t follow. Wouldn’t yellow to green without interaction be a pocket?

How do you figure that?

“Hey look you were null now you’re town can we be friends?” (Fake puppy dog eyes)

You’re not going to get me to change my read on Pooky and this is lame.

Not my goal. I know no one ever elims Pooky D1

So either A) Pooky reboots or B) Pooky is scum

By that point I know and the game will know

Fighting people on a popularity contest is dumb

Certain people no matter how much I scumread them will never be elimmed D1

No you’re wrong, if I thought there was a serious chance he was scum here, I’d be loudly leading the charge but he’s bleeding obvtown here.

[Dancing Puppets]

@Corwin

Not true, Luke and I both TR Mala slot. You can find the exact point I decided to rule out the Mala slot for D1 in my iso.

You want to help me out with that, because your mentions of mala in your iso go from "I have played scum with scum!Mala and town with scum!Mala and I admit their start seems a little different in this game." in 482, to town binning her for pooky's spreadsheet at 1260, to not mentioning her again a single time (at least by name) until just now.

This is possibly a contrived attempt at pretend-solving, I specifically decided to town bin Mala around the time I posted 482. That was my main motivation for sharing that comment in 482. Mala isn't mentioned again because I had no new takes on the slot. That's not difficult to understand. If you're town and this isn't pretend-solving, then stop shading my slot for no reason.

Holy shit dude, you made a read ~52 pages ago based on the start of the game, FoSed every other inactive player, and never looked twice at your very early read even given the "content" of her posts. And you don't think that's giving that slot a pass?

Start here Pooky

that's response to aggression in a reflexive way.

corwin in the linked game is aggro af on his own and attacking multiple slots.

This is the main thing that has me now doubting that read. I really liked Math yesterday but today, he’s going off on multiple slots calling everyone’s posting “garbage”. That isn’t how he acted in PYP and it looks like he isn’t really trying to read you, rather look for reasons to push you, like his over reaction to my saying you didn’t pocket me, so yeah, he could be scum here.

[Dancing Puppets]

Why aren’t you voting Pooky if Pooky is scum MB?
Are you voting them and I just missed it?

Because I think that Pooky is a scum lean.

I think Frogger elim and flip explains D1.

I also think no one elims Pooky ever even if he was to be mod confirmed scum D1

I’m not liming my strong tr. And again, this is whack.

Run statistics

Find how many games Pooky is elimmed D1 as any alignment.

Bet it’s damn near close to 0.

Hell people even say (paraphrased) “I don’t wanna elim Pooky he’s too good when he’s town”

I never ever try to convince anyone Pooky is scum

It’s better to let time sort him by who he pushes than argue against site wise popularity bias

Some players just are not pushable D1 and it’s toxic AF

He’s not scum and you’re not going to concince me he is. I’m a superior Pooky reader.

[Dancing Puppets]

Why aren’t you voting Pooky if Pooky is scum MB?
Are you voting them and I just missed it?

Because I think that Pooky is a scum lean.

I think Frogger elim and flip explains D1.

I also think no one elims Pooky ever even if he was to be mod confirmed scum D1

I’m not liming my strong tr. And again, this is whack.

Run statistics

Find how many games Pooky is elimmed D1 as any alignment.

Bet it’s damn near close to 0.

Hell people even say (paraphrased) “I don’t wanna elim Pooky he’s too good when he’s town”

I never ever try to convince anyone Pooky is scum

It’s better to let time sort him by who he pushes than argue against site wise popularity bias

Some players just are not pushable D1 and it’s toxic AF

Flashbacks of elimming town!pooky d1 intensifies.

It’s not happening. What I’m trying to determine is if Math is scim omgussing or if his Pooky read is genuine.

[Dancing Puppets]

Math, I doubt you continuing to engage with pooky on your own alignment will be good for anyone, and just keep flooding the thread.

That’s why I said I am catching up

I have never been / recall a single d1 Pooky elim in my decade plus on site

And in those games when I have pushed him town or scum it’s easy because someone always vetoes

Now I am going to do that

This site bleeds players because it’s popularity versus discussion

Ugh, you used that wotd again, “popularity”, you did that also in Squid Game.

[Dancing Puppets]

Is that Nancy

yeah

[Dancing Puppets]

This site bleeds players because it’s popularity versus discussion

I'm not sure what you are talking about. I'm not giving anybody a pass for "popularity".

3690 really pings me, he used that exact same argument when he got pushed in Squid Game. He reacted very differently to being pushed in PYP.

[Dancing Puppets]

This site bleeds players because it’s popularity versus discussion

I'm not sure what you are talking about. I'm not giving anybody a pass for "popularity".

That’s what everyone thinks

But there’s untouchables D1

That almost never get elimmed

They just don’t.

Then people don’t come back because people are friends

VOTE: Mathblade

[Dancing Puppets]

I don't think MathBlade is arguing in good faith right now.

+1

[Dancing Puppets]

also anything you say about popularity literally has nothing to do with my alignment so it's weird that this is the tack you're going with :/

Yeah like I wouldn’t yeet you in a hot nanosecond if I thought you were actually scum here.

[Dancing Puppets]

I don't think MathBlade is arguing in good faith right now.

I think that regardless of his alignment, math is currently tilted.

But, he just keeps posting anyways.

He was tilted in PYP too but for very different reasons. There he was upset that his reads weren’t getting listened to.

[Dancing Puppets]

Yup Math is town.

Also, I feel like one of the replacements is probably scum

Why?

Replacements are more likely overall to be scum. I think context is important though. In this context I think players on a scum team who fall behind in a large game are more likely to replace out due to guilt of letting the team down.

So I see there have been several rep-outs already and I'm thinking that the rep-out pool is a better place to hunt than the entire player list.

Except this is fundamentally wrong.

Replace outs are indicative of a player not playing/wanting to play/busy/RL/bans or millions of reasons.

Some games have replace outs from all town because town is losing or lack of cooperation or unfun.

This game is insanely large and we (from where I have caught up to) haven’t had a single wagon all fucking game except Cephrir and maybe one other person. That’s demoralizing

It's not fundamentally wrong dude, you are uninformed. These people at stanford used this very website as a corpus and showed that replace outs are more likely to be scum. You can find the corpus yourself online easily.

Yeah but I don’t think RCE and Drap are scum.

[Dancing Puppets]

I want to talk my reads and catch up

But instead there’s this flash wagon on absolute bullshit.

Where no one talks a single read I have

You wree trying to convince me that one of my strongest trs is scum based off of “popularity” and not because he’s actually done anything scummy.

[Dancing Puppets]

you could hunt for scum and make a case for someone being scum?

complaining about me being never elimmed is um.. not useful for anything?

I did that yesterday

And today

And tried to form a townblock

But you just spam “but math is scum”

So I have to spend 10000 posts arguing I am town against “Corwin is aggro”
Then moving the damn goal posts

Versus building a town block which is remarkably protown

Or ignore him?

Like, yes. Pooky was calling you scum.

But there was also multiple slots defending you. Off the top of my head, Me, Both heads of Dancing Puppets, OTH all made posts about stopping your wagon.

The thread did not need 10000 posts from you arguing with Pooky.

It does

Pooky says someone is scum

That’s it

They’re the elim

Then why hasn’t Frog been run up then? Pooky was pushing him pretty hard, so people can actually think for themselves.

[Dancing Puppets]

It does

Pooky says someone is scum

That’s it

They’re the elim

uh what

that's not true

I am not the leader of this island yet!

Whatever you say Jeff.

[Dancing Puppets]

@Puppet

I'm thinking Toogle -> Taly could be a scum replace out

Nah, Toog replaced out for rl reasons. Plus I tr Taly.

[Dancing Puppets]

I want to talk my reads and catch up

But instead there’s this flash wagon on absolute bullshit.

Where no one talks a single read I have

You wree trying to convince me that one of my strongest trs is scum based off of “popularity” and not because he’s actually done anything scummy.

I am unpopular

Pooky is popular

Therefore I die

Hence why I never want to be voted as any alignment

Once I get voted I am almost always elimmed

Convince us you’re town and/or make a viable scumcase on someone else but the more you push this whole popularity thing. it won’t get you anywhere.

[Dancing Puppets]

@Puppet

I'm thinking Toogle -> Taly could be a scum replace out

Nah, Toog replaced out for rl reasons. Plus I tr Taly.

Ofc they replaced out for RL reasons, I'm saying if they were town they may feel more comfortable popping in every now and then.

Can you elaborate on the Taly townread? You're the first one I've heard say this.

They just sound like they do in every game I’ve played with them as town here, plus I vibe with many of their reads. I think Galron/Drap is very likely town for example. I also think Johnny’s probably also town but that’s weaker.

I haven’t played too many games with scum!Taly but nothing they’ve done so far in this game has remotely pinged me.

[Dancing Puppets]

Also like, mechanically, I think we need Math for at least Day 2 anyway because of the silliness of DNA's claimed post restriction. So y'all could lim him on Day 2 if you're still not satisfied. Eliminating Math now means DNA gets a pass and never needs to answer for Day 1. I'm not saying we're guaranteed anything with Math alive, but we're guaranteed nothing with Math dead.

And like,

he inherited a town slot

...

Based on?

Also who would you lim instead then?

[Dancing Puppets]

@Puppet

I'm thinking Toogle -> Taly could be a scum replace out

Nah, Toog replaced out for rl reasons. Plus I tr Taly.

Ofc they replaced out for RL reasons, I'm saying if they were town they may feel more comfortable popping in every now and then.

Can you elaborate on the Taly townread? You're the first one I've heard say this.

They just sound like they do in every game I’ve played with them as town here, plus I vibe with many of their reads. I think Galron/Drap is very likely town for example. I also think Johnny’s probably also town but that’s weaker.

I haven’t played too many games with scum!Taly but nothing they’ve done so far in this game has remotely pinged me.

Okay. You're more suspicious of the Roden slot though if I recall correctly?

Because his posting has been very noncommittal but until I get his response to my questions, I’m not sure what to think, so I don’t want to vote him until he answers my questions and if I dislike the answers.

[Dancing Puppets]

VOTE: Roden

I've heard at least one of my townreads say Town!Roden is usually easy to see and they aren't feeling that from them this game.

If no one is going to fight on Roden's behalf then this may be a good direction for today.

Sometimes they are but others, it’s harder to tell.

[Dancing Puppets]

@Puppet

I'm thinking Toogle -> Taly could be a scum replace out

Nah, Toog replaced out for rl reasons. Plus I tr Taly.

Ofc they replaced out for RL reasons, I'm saying if they were town they may feel more comfortable popping in every now and then.

Can you elaborate on the Taly townread? You're the first one I've heard say this.

This is an icky line of questioning. Let Toog rest in peace. Taly is here now and has basically played that slot's entire game.

While we're on the topic, do you feel Taly has posted anything AI, TBone?

Not really. I decided to write the slot off because of the neighborhood with Bell. That was back in the time there was only like two claimed hoods, so that decision was perhaps premature. Taly's posts are like noise in my head though. I need to go back check the last time I talked to Taly.

Also like, mechanically, I think we need Math for at least Day 2 anyway because of the silliness of DNA's claimed post restriction. So y'all could lim him on Day 2 if you're still not satisfied. Eliminating Math now means DNA gets a pass and never needs to answer for Day 1. I'm not saying we're guaranteed anything with Math alive, but we're guaranteed nothing with Math dead.

And like,

he inherited a town slot

...

Based on?

Also who would you lim instead then?

Corwin was so obviously town, but we don't agree there so I mean...

And I'm voting for Klick. I haven't been satisfied with the leading wagons all day, and had Klick in the back of my mind for awhile. I'm not sure if that's where I'll end the day on, but I know I don't want it to be Math or Ceph for sure (as my town reads who have been pushed as options all day).

Why was he so obviously town?

[Dancing Puppets]

@johnny, don't have one, would be shocked if it didn't involve at least one you, mala, ceph or pp. Then maybe bell.

P-edit I don't want you to be Bella like? I'm saying that I'm surprised at how difficult I am finding it to read you this game.

Who’s PP?

Penguin/Best Bird

[Dancing Puppets]

Bella is probably the best person to ask about whether Klick is playing his scum game here.

+1

She was correct about him in PYP. Ironically, Math replaced into his slot in that game.

Pooky add Frog to my greens.

[Dancing Puppets]

Honestly the weirdest thing about Taly for me was when they came in an unironically gave a read on their predecessor like that was a totally normal thing to do. It's kind of tryhard, especially since Taly likes to shout about their obvious-townieness...but it's not enough for me to say scum. They are a weird slot, but not a need to deal with today slot for me.

Idk why that’s necessarily weird? I’ve done that too, it actually reads +town to me. I replaced into a scumslot in Slaughter Hour and my predecessor was super scummy, so I was either defending them or hoping people would forget about them.

[Dancing Puppets]

Come on guys we've only got 12 hours to reach 24 votes on Math and make their dream come true

This is Wolf.

VOTE: Frogsterking

I read it as nai but I keep getting townpings from his tone.

[Dancing Puppets]

Bella is probably the best person to ask about whether Klick is playing his scum game here.

+1

She was correct about him in PYP. Ironically, Math replaced into his slot in that game.

Pooky add Frog to my greens.

That doesn’t mean anything to add Frog to your Greens.

The dude called Math Town, Votes the damn dude saying he wants to be voted when Math says he doesn’t.

His posting is very eraratic but I really can’t see much of an agenda behind it. Who are Frog’s buddies? He doesn’t look to be aligned with anyone.

[Dancing Puppets]

@Puppet

I'm thinking Toogle -> Taly could be a scum replace out

Nah, Toog replaced out for rl reasons. Plus I tr Taly.

Ofc they replaced out for RL reasons, I'm saying if they were town they may feel more comfortable popping in every now and then.

Can you elaborate on the Taly townread? You're the first one I've heard say this.

This is an icky line of questioning. Let Toog rest in peace. Taly is here now and has basically played that slot's entire game.

While we're on the topic, do you feel Taly has posted anything AI, TBone?

Not really. I decided to write the slot off because of the neighborhood with Bell. That was back in the time there was only like two claimed hoods, so that decision was perhaps premature. Taly's posts are like noise in my head though. I need to go back check the last time I talked to Taly.

Also like, mechanically, I think we need Math for at least Day 2 anyway because of the silliness of DNA's claimed post restriction. So y'all could lim him on Day 2 if you're still not satisfied. Eliminating Math now means DNA gets a pass and never needs to answer for Day 1. I'm not saying we're guaranteed anything with Math alive, but we're guaranteed nothing with Math dead.

And like,

he inherited a town slot

...

Based on?

Also who would you lim instead then?

Corwin was so obviously town, but we don't agree there so I mean...

And I'm voting for Klick. I haven't been satisfied with the leading wagons all day, and had Klick in the back of my mind for awhile. I'm not sure if that's where I'll end the day on, but I know I don't want it to be Math or Ceph for sure (as my town reads who have been pushed as options all day).

Why was he so obviously town?

I think Corwin got a bad rap because he started the game away from it and had to come in on the back foot with people scum reading him when he literally wasn't in the game yet. He didn't let himself get sucked into it too much. He asked questions about people's reads, he gave his own observations pretty freely without having to be pestered. When I pressed him about his read on BBT, I felt he gave the type of honest answer that scum don't often give (basically a nice nuanced idk). And yeah, I tend to town read people who have similar reads to mine. I never played with Corwin before, so it's not like he would know that and do something about it. Nor am I a big enough presence to warrant such treatment. I also thought he was pretty open to continually revaluate his reads. So like, yeah I initially town read him for a joke, but he came into it in a way that satisfied me. He also didn't make any posts I found scummy, so I don't even know of any examples in this game that would counter the positives of what I have seen.

As for Mathblade, most of his posts are NAI. It's clear he is crumbling to the pressure, but I don't think it's because he's scum, i think it's because he's frustrated. We can't scumread everyone for getting upset when they are scum read.

But he sounds frustrated in the same way as Squid Game and not like in PYP. He was hard tunneling Pooky but gave no real reasons why he sr him. It was more like Pooky’s popular, so no one wants to lim him.

[Dancing Puppets]

Honestly the weirdest thing about Taly for me was when they came in an unironically gave a read on their predecessor like that was a totally normal thing to do. It's kind of tryhard, especially since Taly likes to shout about their obvious-townieness...but it's not enough for me to say scum. They are a weird slot, but not a need to deal with today slot for me.

Idk why that’s necessarily weird? I’ve done that too, it actually reads +town to me. I replaced into a scumslot in Slaughter Hour and my predecessor was super scummy, so I was either defending them or hoping people would forget about them.

I think this was distinctly different from defending your predecessor.

I’m saying that it reads +town to me because I do that too sometimes when I replace into a town slot. I think scum!Taly wouldn’t be very likely to do that.

[Dancing Puppets]

Guess this is why people say RT’s don’t mostly work.

A lot of people fake having dayvigges on this site. The first time it happened to me, I kept pming the game mod to check if I was actually dead or not.

[Dancing Puppets]

Bella is probably the best person to ask about whether Klick is playing his scum game here.

+1

She was correct about him in PYP. Ironically, Math replaced into his slot in that game.

Pooky add Frog to my greens.

That doesn’t mean anything to add Frog to your Greens.

The dude called Math Town, Votes the damn dude saying he wants to be voted when Math says he doesn’t.

His posting is very eraratic but I really can’t see much of an agenda behind it. Who are Frog’s buddies? He doesn’t look to be aligned with anyone.

Anyone can be aligned with someone.
The “doesn’t look to be aligned with anyone” isn’t really a great reasoning at all, IMO it’s not really a “thing” it’s just another way of saying you don’t see anyone at the current time you can compare them to in regards of informed.
That’s really it.

Well scum generally play around their buddies unlike an SK, so his frequently erratic posting style points away from that.

[Dancing Puppets]

Come on guys we've only got 12 hours to reach 24 votes on Math and make their dream come true

This is Wolf.

VOTE: Frogsterking

I read it as nai but I keep getting townpings from his tone.

What's my tone?

Enthusiastic and genuine.

[Dancing Puppets]

I think Corwin got a bad rap because he started the game away from it and had to come in on the back foot with people scum reading him when he literally wasn't in the game yet. He didn't let himself get sucked into it too much. He asked questions about people's reads, he gave his own observations pretty freely without having to be pestered. When I pressed him about his read on BBT, I felt he gave the type of honest answer that scum don't often give (basically a nice nuanced idk). And yeah, I tend to town read people who have similar reads to mine. I never played with Corwin before, so it's not like he would know that and do something about it. Nor am I a big enough presence to warrant such treatment. I also thought he was pretty open to continually revaluate his reads. So like, yeah I initially town read him for a joke, but he came into it in a way that satisfied me. He also didn't make any posts I found scummy, so I don't even know of any examples in this game that would counter the positives of what I have seen.

As for Mathblade, most of his posts are NAI. It's clear he is crumbling to the pressure, but I don't think it's because he's scum, i think it's because he's frustrated. We can't scumread everyone for getting upset when they are scum read.

This post about Corwin is sort of convincing. I disagree that Mathblade's posts are NAI though, I really don't like the points they keep bringing up about popularity in this game, I don't agree with that at all and they are making sweeping generalizations. I also did not like that when Pooky linked games where they were indeed eliminated on day 1 Math said "only 4 times n 20 years". It was a fast rebuttal without really looking into things.

+1

He didn’t actually give any justifiable reasons for thinking Pooky scum and based his argument on how Pooky is presumably so “popular” and therefor unlimable. But even before that, there were all of these posts calling pages and reads from unspecified players “garbage”, so that bothered me as well.

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I think Math's posts, specifically the ones you are citing, is NAI because I think it's just his reaction to the pressure. He's not handling it well right now and wouldn't be making those posts were he.

Also there's like a little bit of validity in the idea of momentum in this game. It's not wrong to say that theere is no momentum to lim Pooky. That's objectively true at the moment. I don't think it's because of Pooky's popularity, I think it's because he's been null posting to kinda helpful with the reads spreadsheet (even though he hasn't posted an update to it in DAYS).

Pooky’s been obvtown posting in this game.

[Dancing Puppets]

UNVOTE:

Titus is hard insisting he’s town. I liked him yesterday, so see if he becomes more readable with the pressure off. I could do Roden or BB, I guess.

[Dancing Puppets]

I mean I'll eat my words over the Taly slot but Roden + Dwlee still lack defenders.

does that make them scum or does it make them easy pushes

also professordrapion is so town on 153 + 154 it hurts

+1

i want to kill one of math/DP/Johnny

im not sure why that feels impossible

@Pooky, make this one a yellow. Townpoints for Drap and

dunce

scumpoints for the read on us.

[Dancing Puppets]

i was surprised i had evaded the omgus this long

That’s entirely up to you bud.

[Dancing Puppets]

Ceph is red for you right now

making him a yellow would be giving him townpoints

Oh I thought I had him as a green?

Well yeah, yellow.

I like his Drap read and obviously hate the one on us = yellow.

[Dancing Puppets]

Flavor

later

Vote Count 1.27

6 Mathblade (Rad, Dunnstral, Klick, Cephrir, Dancing Puppets, ProfessorDrapion)

3 Klick (Lukewarm, T-Bone, Bell)

2 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens, Best Bird)
2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, MalcolmTucker)
2 Roden (Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking)

1 Frogsterking (Mathblade)
1 MalcolmTucker (JohnnyFarrar)
1 Cephrir (Roden)
1 ProfessorDrapion (The toad)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)
1 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (Enchant)

Not Voting (Taly, Cytosine and Guanine, Bellaphant, PookyTheMagicalBear)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Wedding week and I start my new job today so expect less from me

Wait we actually have 6 days not 12 hours?

If so, I’m not rushing this.

[Dancing Puppets]

Also like, mechanically, I think we need Math for at least Day 2 anyway because of the silliness of DNA's claimed post restriction. So y'all could lim him on Day 2 if you're still not satisfied. Eliminating Math now means DNA gets a pass and never needs to answer for Day 1. I'm not saying we're guaranteed anything with Math alive, but we're guaranteed nothing with Math dead.

And like, he inherited a town slot...

What do we get out of dna with math alive day 2 that we don’t with math elimmed?

I think DNA is probably town regardless of what Math is. That’s probably the most suss thing about Roden’s readslist that he has them as scum and not a null.

But Roden hasn’t posted anywhere, so if we have time for him respond to my questions, I’d prefer to wait for that.

[Dancing Puppets]

I don't want the Roden wagon because it's another counter to Klick but that's weak day 1 and Klick is unflipped. The other mason has to claim though probably given flipless.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Frogsterking, Cat Scratch Fever, Cytosine and Guanine, MalcolmTucker, Bellaphant, Dunnstral, Klick, Enchant

These are players who were voting for Roden, which forced him to claim. It is safe to assume that masons wouldn't be bussing, right? So these players are not masons with Roden.

Lukewarm, ProfessorDrapion

These players reactions following the claim make it obvious that they are not masons with Roden.

Off The Hook

In post 704 OTH writes that Roden is in their "list of interests". Post 1577 further cements that OTH is not masons with Roden.

Cephrir, JohnnyFarrar, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma, Rad

These players are not masons with Roden because of the way that Roden treated them.

In post 1572 Roden lists Cephrir and the toad (RCEnigma) as mafia in their reads list.

In post 2195 Roden says that BBT looks like they are "trying to create a narrative". That is not how masons talk to each other in the main thread. Also, BBT is listed as null in his reads before this.

In post 2203 Roden shows that they are isoing JohnnyFarrar, and while they have a vaguely positive impression, it seems unlikely that Roden is using some of his limited thread time on reading his own mason partners iso and ending with "it's fine". Also, Johnny is listed as null in his reads before this.

In post 861 Roden says that Rad's post is "Day Vig-able"

Dancing Puppets, Taly, Mathblade

These players are all in neighborhoods. As we've learned with toogeloo, neighbors know each others flavor. The alleged other mason has the flavor "Bernard". Additionally, I think it unlikely that any neighbor would also be a mason with a completely different person.

Dwlee99, T-Bone, Malakittens, Best Bird

Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.

Best Bird has Roden as null in 1173

PookyTheMagicalBear

The last person left and the top of Roden's town list. They list Roden as null in 883.

Haven't Shepardized this but looks legit.

@Math - *facepalm*



~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Why is it a facepalm?

You defend me because you know I am trying and realize I got a short end of the Schlick

Nancy then realizes I might be miselim able and gradually flips

A mason partner will eventually be clear why the fuck are you fishing?

How will Roden be clear in a flipless game? Second, if Roden is mystically town, an unclaimed mason can be cced given Dunn's rationale on how no one makes sense as a mason partner.

Nancy's giving me an earful on you, but I'm still not interested.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Like if y’all elim Roden it’s not the end of the world as we likely get a conf town tomorrow but I’d rather not elim what is probably a true claim.

Not true.

1) Roden could be town faking mason. Scum claim it when determining it's fake.
2) Roden gets cced.
3) Roden is scum.
4) The real partner gets FoSed for 1 - 3.

How can you legit claim it's not a bad thing to flip a mason unclaimed in a flipless game? Wtf

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

If Roden mislimmed as town and scum somehow shots remaining mason at night, we are bonked hard.

Or we aren’t because then invests don’t die?
Like? No?

What point if mafia waltz in mason claim on almost confirmed status.

They’d have to explain how they are masons with Roden. It’d be an insanely high ridiculous bar and they’d have to show crumbs/evidence before this post

So they’d have to be planning it before Roden’s masons claim

It wouldn’t work

Dunn already showed no one could be masons. In fact....

VOTE: Roden

[Dancing Puppets]

If anyone claims Roden's mason partner, willing to unvote.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

So if y’all really don’t believe Roden the play is to elim them

Assuming they flip town..

Then first post of the second day (assuming mason isn’t dead) they out crumbs

If no one puts crumbs we learn mason was shot.

It’s like we gain flipped roles and invests work.

You mean like Dunn already disproved?

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

i alrdy claimed mr eko like in my first post what even is this theory rofl

I will accept that you are not his mason partner. That is irrelevant.

Then who can be?

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

I am of the opinion that Bernard should claim if he exists.

If no one claims masons with Roden, we kill Roden.

If someone does, we kill

Dunn

Klick.

Fify. If Dunn is scum, it's with Roden but that's moonlogic paranoia.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

I don't think that there are 0 options.

When I went through the player list, I narrowed it down to like 5 possibilities.

Then let's talk here.

Who are they? Save me some work. Also multitasking.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

I don't think that there are 0 options.

When I went through the player list, I narrowed it down to like 5 possibilities.

Then let's talk here.

Who are they? Save me some work. Also multitasking.

~Titus

That's IRL multitasking. Doh!

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Yeah I'm not going to bother trying to keep up at this point, 70 pages is too much.

I can vaguely tell there's a wagon on me. I'm claiming Mason.

Masons in a game with also a bunch of neighborhoods?

Can someone list every hood?

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

RCA, talk to me about mala and bell?

I know I need to dive Dunn

Both feel loose and free flowing. Mala just exudes town demeanor.

The Klick townread is more substantial. My only real issue with Klick was the voting but I asked myself what I found scummy about it and couldn’t pin it down. Their votes are very openly displaying what they think at that particular moment readswise and have actually been used to develop those reads (Example, the step back from cephrir and again on my slot.)

What I think is happening in regards to Klick is twofold. People are conflating thread presence with perceived town behavior and playing as if the two go hand in hand. As well as, slots are just giving Klick the old jab, jab, step back…..but they keep stepping back and Klick gets scummier in retrospect as a result.

What do I mean by that? Well I don’t recall an instance outside of ceph where Klick engaged with a slot and they came out with a Klick scumread from it. It’s all been after the fact.

If I’m wrong call me out but that’s how I’m seeing it.

I'm gonna think about this. Good points maybe you're right.

This is why we never should have voted Math. :/

My rationale for Klick isn't lack of thread presence. It's vote history and ZERO posting in the last few days in the hood.

~Titus

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What methodolgy was used here?

He cross referenced Roden's reads lists across the other people.

And decided that if either party listed the other party as null, it is not impossible for them to be mason partners.

I don't buy this hard and distinct disconnect from reasonable reasons to discredit mason options to this.

At best, I think that this becomes the list of people that Dunn wants to look at more closely. But he is acting like he was ready to out the whole list already at this point.

Furthermore, with the similarities between these, what is the thing that puts pooky in his own category? why would pooky be the person that he quotes the reads lists for?

The fact that Roden was town reading Pooky
vs
Both players mutually null reading the other.

That is a reason to GUESS pooky, not discredit the pooky option, nor is there a reason to prioritize quoting his reads list earlier

(Further more, Pooky moves Roden to his town reads, and in the spread sheets the are mutually town reading one another. Which is part of why I guessed Pooky)

I think Pooky early claimed #not Bernard.

I think the next step to investigate the other people for how to treat Roden.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

The point is what methodology did DUNN USE.

Correct, when sorting Dunn. The methodology and timing would help sort Dunn after Roden flips. I felt the case may have been prepared too quickly.

First, solve the mason claim.

~Titus

[Dancing Puppets]

Flavor

later

Vote Count 1.27

6 Mathblade (Rad, Dunnstral, Klick, Cephrir, Dancing Puppets, ProfessorDrapion)

3 Klick (Lukewarm, T-Bone, Bell)

2 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens, Best Bird)
2 JohnnyFarrar (Off the Hook, MalcolmTucker)
2 Roden (Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking)

1 Frogsterking (Mathblade)
1 MalcolmTucker (JohnnyFarrar)
1 Cephrir (Roden)
1 ProfessorDrapion (The toad)
1 PookyTheMagicalBear (Dwlee99)
1 Dunnstral (BlueBloodedToffee)
1 PenguinPower (Enchant)

Not Voting (Taly, Cytosine and Guanine, Bellaphant, PookyTheMagicalBear)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Wedding week and I start my new job today so expect less from me

Wait we actually have 6 days not 12 hours?

If so, I’m not rushing this.

If Roden mislimmed as town and scum somehow shots remaining mason at night, we are bonked hard.

Or we aren’t because then invests don’t die?
Like? No?

What point if mafia waltz in mason claim on almost confirmed status.

They’d have to explain how they are masons with Roden. It’d be an insanely high ridiculous bar and they’d have to show crumbs/evidence before this post

So they’d have to be planning it before Roden’s masons claim

It wouldn’t work

Dunn already showed no one could be masons. In fact....

VOTE: Roden

I said I didn’t want to rush this. :/

UNVOTE:

[Dancing Puppets]

Also like, mechanically, I think we need Math for at least Day 2 anyway because of the silliness of DNA's claimed post restriction. So y'all could lim him on Day 2 if you're still not satisfied. Eliminating Math now means DNA gets a pass and never needs to answer for Day 1. I'm not saying we're guaranteed anything with Math alive, but we're guaranteed nothing with Math dead.

And like, he inherited a town slot...

What do we get out of dna with math alive day 2 that we don’t with math elimmed?

I think DNA is probably town regardless of what Math is. That’s probably the most suss thing about Roden’s readslist that he has them as scum and not a null.

But Roden hasn’t posted anywhere, so if we have time for him respond to my questions, I’d prefer to wait for that.

If this is a hammer and Roden is town, I’m going to be seriously pissed.

[Dancing Puppets]

Nancy you are a gem, don’t ever let anyone take your shine.

<3 <3 <3

We need to hydra sometime.

[Dancing Puppets]

I was inches from a Klick wagon but they swooped in with sauce.

Bella correctly read him in PYP and since both of our heads tr Bella, I’m going to trust her read.

[Dancing Puppets]

As I read through tonight, and saw it happening, it felt like there were two people actively trying to keep the Math wagon alive after I abandoned ship. Pooky and Klick.

When I look back at how the two of them treated the slot, Pooky has had Corwin as a scum read for a while. He was scum on his reads list post, and scum in both spread sheets.

Comparatively, Klick did not mention a scum reading Corwin a single time until after I started my attempt to lead the thread. "Corwin" appears in Klick's iso in exactly 5 posts. Here is the progression, interspaced with when I first started trying to get people to move to corwin, and when I unvoted.

Spoiler:

NULL
{Snip}
Corwinoid

After doing some reading, I am narrowed down where I want to move my vote to either Corwinoid and The Toad, but struggling to decided between the two.

Maybe they should just be dueling wagons?

I had a small scumread on Corwin develop earlier but wanted to give him time to settle in the game. But people are talking about it now so I guess I'll pitch in and say I concur

But Toad isn't towny either so I'd go there too

Mmm not feeling the Toad vote really.

VOTE: Corwin let's try this

I am starting to think that I failed as town leader

UNVOTE:

I didn't get much from maths' posting, which is strange because last game with them I was adamant about them being town to a very unbella-like point of intransigence.

This is probably because Corwin/MathBlade is just a scum slot and should die today

VOTE: MathBlade

I don't really think Corwin's body of work looks like scumhunting, it looks more like projecting reads into the thread to look like he's scumhunting

No comment on Corwin.

I say we should wagon there.

An unoffensive join. "small scum read"

I say we should not kill Math

Now, the language is that the slot is "just scum and should die"

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Klick's engagement with this wagon reeks imo

So I can see how you've come to the conclusions you've come to
I think this argument falls when you consider that I have no illusions about my influence on the game state. The content I've provided hasn't been sufficient to be actually 'trying to keep the Math wagon alive' and the sway I have isn't going to be convincing a decent number of people to vote with me without reasons.

The things that actually convince me of someone's alignment one way or the other tend to be based on singular or very few reasons that I feel are very solid myself. But I have zero confidence in my ability to competitively form an argument based on the reasons I read people, because my read reasoning tends to not be persuasive. So I've recently opted for just giving my thoughts without intent to persuade, or otherwise pushing in directions that I feel will help the game early on.

I personally think it's very notable that Bella's having trouble reading MathBlade, because Bella has clocked onto Math!town very quickly and accurately in the past, and that sort of nullish read on someone often turns up scum in my experience. And I've already given my thoughts on why Corwin's slot was scummy. I can't give much more than that without delving into things that really don't influence my own thoughts either way.

I didn’t want to rush this vote but this looks more like scum!Math to me but I thought since we didn’t need to rush anything, I didn’t want to vote him over Titus’ objections. I didn’t realize she would still vote, after I said I wanted to wait. :/

[Dancing Puppets]

Roden is lying. I will give reasoning shortly.

Oh? wait? Sorry Titus, then.

[Dancing Puppets]

I’m so confused

Why did roden get limmed over taly

#askingforafriend

Why is Taly scum?

[Dancing Puppets]

I am completely lost now. Can someone explain this whole mason claim thing to me please?

[Dancing Puppets]

*back pats* don’t be.
I’m mostly just arguing because I don’t understand. I don’t think anyone is stupid.
I accept your arguments.
I just think that Dunnstral’s point is *nuts* because of the aforementioned reasoning and I find the vote by Titus to also be nuts. I also think Thatmaybe Rosen can come up with a better solution.
Though at this point you may be right and it doesn’t matter

@Titus, this isn’t shade.

I really wish someone would talk to me because I seriously don’t understand pretty much anything that’s happened since I opened this thread recently.

[Dancing Puppets]

I am completely lost now. Can someone explain this whole mason claim thing to me please?

Roden claimed Mason.

Some people think it is a fake claim, and want to kill him.

Some people think that he is telling the truth.

Some people think that his mason partner should out to answer the above delima

Some people think that his mason partner should stay hidden, because "Don't give scum info" is a rule that applies in all situations, and should not actually weigh the pros and cons in the specific scenario (the last bit is me being sarcastic. I know you sometimes miss sarcasm, so wanted to clarify.)

Thanks yeah, I still don’t get the sarcasm but I agree with the latter. I don’t think mason partner needs to claim atp and I don’t think we should be running up a mason claim.

[Dancing Puppets]

How do you recommend we proceed from here?

You are voting Math, is that still what you want?

Or Johnny or

DP

. Whichever y'all are willing to vote.

I still don’t understand why Johnny is scum?

[Dancing Puppets]

@Pooky

Ceph -> scum
Bell -> scum
Roden -> Town

Why is Bell scum?

[Dancing Puppets]

Why is it a facepalm?

You defend me because you know I am trying and realize I got a short end of the Schlick

Nancy then realizes I might be miselim able and gradually flips

A mason partner will eventually be clear why the fuck are you fishing?

I don’t know whether I should be sad or amused by how little you still know me after all this time. I genuinely want to sort you and now, you look more town again.

But bb is still definitely more suss than Klick. His entire reasoning for voting us is utter bs, which is why he’s still in my PoE.

And you clearly ignored the post where I unvoted you and said I didn’t want to rush anything? Remember?

[Dancing Puppets]

Like if y’all elim Roden it’s not the end of the world as we likely get a conf town tomorrow but I’d rather not elim what is probably a true claim.

I don’t think I want to vote Math anymore.