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Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:41 pm**

Scum:
Hindu
Timeater
DLG

Excuse me for a moment.

....LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Back to the game. The self-vote thing was in reference to them telling Faraday to claim scum and self-vote, not actually self-voting themselves. Context is key.
The bottom 2 are pretty pointless if you ask me because I don't really know where you're going with them. I don't really know what to say except that I don't know how you are seeing it as a fake read. Don't know what the fuck you're talking about in terms of "nothing original" either. I can point out all of your past posts and say the same damn thing about them.

There's some seriousness in RVS votes. I use mine if I can to get scum as early as possible or to at least get a wagon started so we can get on with the game.
Yeah, or I just skipped over one of Jase's posts. Nice one.

I specifically like how you're using "in case Hindu flips scum". "Oh, I may be wrong but, hell, let's lynch him anyways" is all I see when I read shit like that. Why are you doing that with Nacho when you know I'm going to flip town? Is he your buddy? I see your "town" vibe on him meaning you don't want him lynched. Connecting him with me as town and pushing my lynch is going to strengthen that. This game will be easier than I thought.

Post 362, Oversoul. I keep it concise.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:42 pm**

↑ Oversoul wrote:Basic politics, Faraday. When you can't beat the argument, beat the person. Make your opponent look like a bad person so that their argument looks bad by association.

I'm providing an alternative scenario for you-scum to be doing what you're doing. Meaning your excuse isn't going to cut it, at all.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:43 pm**

↑ Oversoul wrote:There was ample time between those two posts which is why I took at as him trying to discredit me when I had begun a case on him.

lol. G'night FOR REAL.

No, you get the fuck back in here.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:03 pm**

What comes next, of course, is the island of Midnight, also called Gorgossium. What few observations I will offer here must be prefaced with the confession that I have never set foot on that Hour, nor have any wish to do so.

Gorgossium is wreathed in red mists, which seem to have a serpentine life of their own. The old fortress of Iniquisit, with its thirteen towers, dominates the heights of Midnight and looks down with frightful authority on the joyless landscape below. The Carrion family has of course occupied Gorgossium since the beginning of written history, and what attributes the island that or may not possess (all this information is third or fourth hand) is their handiwork. A forest of gallows; a morbid garden that contains every harmful plant in creation; a collection of machines devised to torment and murder: all these are rumored to exist on the island.

But these are the least. There is a great deal more, which I will not sully the pages of this Almenak by relating. Instead I will move on, as one might move on past a fetid cadaver, in the hope of discovering some sweeter sight.

--Klepp's Almenak

VC 11 (Session 1, VC 11)

(3)

Oversoul:

Klazam, Faraday, Hinduragi [L-4]
(2)

Zang:

Seraphim, DLG
(1)

Kiwieagle:

Zang
(1)

Nachomamma8:

Gore-Stained Antlers
(1)

Timeater:

Nachomamma8
(1)

Jase:

4nxi3ty
(1)

Hinduragi:

Oversoul
(0)

4nxi3ty

:

(Oversoul)

(3)

Not Voting

: kiwieagle, Jase, Indecision

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Automatic Termination of the First Session(expired on 2011-12-02 00:30:00)

Seraphim has been prodded.

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:22 pm**

oh baby
so much posting
hallelujah

Posted: **Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:46 pm**

Gore Stained Antlers wrote:Beneficial why? Really elaborate if you can.

Had the push been weaker, the support would have been less. As a result, Anxiety most likely wouldn't have reacted in such an obvtown way.

315 just seemed like a quick way to bear some fangs because your target of kiwi was rendered moot by the big boys. I was struck by the convenience of it.

It wasn't that my target was rendered moot by the big boys... it was more that kiwi flexed his townieness.

Re: Buddying of Zang:
I don't see what you're getting from the second link.
And the second was a comment on how the questioning playstyle is better than the usual lurklurklurk playstyle I have experience with.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:09 am**

↑ Oversoul wrote:
↑ Seraphim wrote:
Vote: Zang

Fuck that noise.

This is a weak vote in RVS when there has been a sufficient amount of information given to the town that makes an RVS style vote unnecessary. Seraphim, did you choose to ignore the miller claim and not comment on it? Honestly, gut says that Seraphim is scum, but we will see from my reread if that view changes.

Why single out Seraphim? I never commented on the miller claim.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:11 am**

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:Why do you assume that, especially considering that's what indecision said? And don't you think if there was a serious reason, then Indecision wouldn't immediately downplay that reason and unvote a few seconds later?

Like I said, they said “mostly” not “only”.

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:First of all, I don't really see how careful and constructed leads to the greater likelihood of it being a scumslip.

Scum usually need to carefully construct their posts probably even subconsciously in order to make sure that it looks like it's not scummy and town motivated to town while still retaining it's scum motivation. Town however, usually don't usually care about looking pro-town and know that their posts whether they appear scummy or pro-town are town motivated.

↑ Hinduragi wrote:Game was stalled and needed something. There's a lot of wagon hopping and I needed something solid to go off of. If I got a wagon, great. If I got some reactions, well, just as great. I was hoping for some votes on me. I was copying Elli from Pictomafia since I caught scum due to that. Game's in my wiki. I'm not linking it.

I don't remember you catching scum in that game. You still have given no reasoning for your vote.

↑ Hinduragi wrote:Prob town? He's been confirmed town

Why? I don't see how he can be confirmed town.

↑ Gore-Stained Antlers wrote:I've got some problems with Hindu. Faraday, could Hindu be scum?

Why would Faraday's opinion matter?

↑ Gore-Stained Antlers wrote:(tip: walls discourage people - its a bad practice overall so its bad for the town)

I took the time to write the wall so the least that town can do is taking the time to read at least what I wrote to them.

Also, how is my wall different than Faraday's (or somebody else who is very active) 35 posts up to the point that I made my wall? They're the same except I didn't have enough time to post whenever I felt like it so I had to combine all my points into one post while Faraday did have time and was able to post whenever he felt like it so he did scatter his points throughout the thread.

↑ DLG wrote:We can argue about my reason for voting 4nxi3ty all game if you want. You called my vote scummy for various reasons, none of which are true. If you can't grasp the concept of voting him that early for something that looked off, then I don't know what to say.

Why would I care what you think is scummy? I said that it was scummy because to me it appeared to be scum motivated.

↑ DLG wrote:As for why my reasons were posted so far removed from my vote, I had no reason to post them as such until you tried to misrep my reason as because Nachomamma8 had voted him. 4nxi3ty himself understood the implications and used the wagon on himself to analyze some players involved.

But how am I supposed to know what your reasons are if you don't post them?

↑ DLG wrote:your reads/reasons post was vague and used language which gives you the luxury of going whichever way you want with the other players depending on the needs of the moment

How would I “go whichever way I want with the other players depending on the needs of the moment”? I gave my reads it's not like in the next post I can just call someone town that in my reads post I called scum.

↑ DLG wrote:When I dug into this, you tried to give a reason, but it led to a contradiction. This is highly indicative of scum, and I notice you chose to drop it from our discussion in favor of focusing on my vote of 4nxi3ty.

I see no contradiction.

↑ 4nxi3ty wrote:I miss the walls

unvote, vote: jase

Why did you vote jase?

↑ Oversoul wrote:The read on Faraday (which he later clarifies as "gut") looks completely fake. The whole post looks like an attempt to look active and involved in the RVS transformation stage of the game, but he really did nothing original in this post at all.

Your case on Hindu is pretty good.

Unvote
Vote: Hinduragi

I meant to switch my vote back anyway since I've proven my point with kiwi.

↑ Oversoul wrote:Back track. Back track. Back track. That is all I see in this post. For one he states the obvious about that interaction, which could very well lead to them all being town and then he adds at the end that they are still likely to be scum or town. Well, duh. That much is obvious. It is which one they actually are.

He did not say that it was likely, he said that it was a possibility.

↑ Oversoul wrote:Town:
Mina
Klazam
Nacho
Faraday

When you say Mina do you mean indecision or just Mina's side of the hydra?

↑ Hinduragi wrote:I specifically like how you're using "in case Hindu flips scum". "Oh, I may be wrong but, hell, let's lynch him anyways" is all I see when I read shit like that. Why are you doing that with Nacho when you know I'm going to flip town? Is he your buddy? I see your "town" vibe on him meaning you don't want him lynched. Connecting him with me as town and pushing my lynch is going to strengthen that. This game will be easier than I thought.

Only scum and idiot town treat reads as 100%.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:16 am**

(3) Not Voting: kiwieagle, Jase, Indecision

Fix this as your first convenience.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:19 am**

and no, I'm not fate. you can be damn sure if hindu was scum here i'd have a niggle about his play. i get nothing but town.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:43 am**

Zang wrote:Why did you vote jase?

Why not?

I am starting to agree with DLG that you left your reads open-ended so you can change them easily.

Why did you wait to place your vote on Hindu til after Oversoul's post?

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:57 am**

Your case on Hindu is pretty good.

I could summarize the points but I think you didn't read the case at all.

I swear to God if these two keep their votes parked on me and wait while deadline approaches and then it's like "WALP, HINDU VOTES BECAUSE WE NEED A LYNCH" when Im conftown thanks to Faraday I'm going to fucking kill Zang.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:37 am**

↑ Hinduragi wrote:
Your case on Hindu is pretty good.

I could summarize the points but I think you didn't read the case at all.

I swear to God if these two keep their votes parked on me and wait while deadline approaches and then it's like "WALP, HINDU VOTES BECAUSE WE NEED A LYNCH" when Im conftown thanks to Faraday I'm going to fucking kill Zang.

No. Unless you guys have a masonry or some sort of confirmable role relationship, I don't care what anyone says about your alignment and "conftown" status.

Fate said you were town in RPG. People can be wrong. Especially if you know how to play them.

Going to do some more of my read through right now, but probably not much. I have a headache and I am probably going to go out with friends before spending the day with the family tomorrow.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:38 am**

And to answer your question about the Mina as town, yes I meant the whole Hydra.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:38 am**

↑ 4nxi3ty wrote:
↑ Oversoul wrote:
↑ Seraphim wrote:
Vote: Zang

Fuck that noise.

This is a weak vote in RVS when there has been a sufficient amount of information given to the town that makes an RVS style vote unnecessary. Seraphim, did you choose to ignore the miller claim and not comment on it? Honestly, gut says that Seraphim is scum, but we will see from my reread if that view changes.
Why single out Seraphim? I never commented on the miller claim.

Ya but you actually did something unlike Seraphim.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:41 am**

↑ Hinduragi wrote:
↑ Indecision wrote:(Equinox)

↑ Hinduragi wrote:Anyways, I still think you guys are scum, and a lot of that is for going for Faraday instantly, calling it a joke, and then keeping your vote on him.

We're scum for... voting Faraday in RVS and getting a rise out of him. Well done, Hinduragi! You caught us on page one. Where did you ever learn to hunt scum like that? Seriously, while both of us have been in hydrae with him, they've been town hydrae, which is a far cry from actually playing scum with him and hasn't stopped either of us from getting burned by Faraday-scum.

Oh, yes, yes. Let's flame me because I think you're scum. Honestly? Can you fucking cut it back? REALLY? My FIRST VOTE of the damn game and you're going to break this shit out instead of asking me ANYTHING about why I think you're scum? Fuck ALL THAT and ESPECIALLY fuck this sham of a defense.

Hindu's reaction to Indecision are weird as fuck and overly defensive in my opinion. The reaction seems natural, but why is he flipping a shit on Indecision on page 6?

↑ Hinduragi wrote:
↑ Timeater wrote:

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:EQUINOX:

If I'm scum, the mafia will not kill you night one. In return, if you're scum, you don't kill us right now. Deal?

Us?

VOTE: Nachomma

Why the fuck are you going to bring this to predominant attention when it's very likely it could've come from town? Goddammit.

Again, why such a harsh reaction? Although I agree that people who usually harp on and on about scumslips and the like are usually town, I don't see why you get so mad so easily.

↑ Indecision wrote:(Equinox)

Is Faraday-scum capable of playfully bantering with us? Sure. But what we're looking for is not whether he banters but how he does it and what his tone is like. So far, Mina thinks his reactions have been good, and I'm inclined to agree.

Hey, Hinduragi, if I think your reason for thinking we're scum is stupid, I'm not one to hold back, regardless of what page the game is on. As far as I was concerned, you already stated why you thought we were scum -- something about "going for Faraday instantly, calling it a joke, and then keeping [our] vote on him" -- and I took you at your word that it was your reason. And the reason was stupid.

More town points for Indecision. This looks like active participation in the thread and shows that the hydra is not willing to back down once there is pressure over one of their actions. I have very little experience with Mina and Faraday and no experience with Equinox, but this argument boils down to meta with the reaction between Indecision and Faraday and their vote. Why is it such a big deal that Indecision voted Faraday?

↑ Timeater wrote:Dude, he isn't a mason. Nachoconfscum.

@faraday - I should have done that. I need to work on my telepath mb

More fluff from Timeater and he continues to follow done the nacho scumslip path.

↑ Timeater wrote:Your little premise presupposes he's automatically town

EQUINOX:

If I'm scum, the mafia will not kill you night one. In return, if you're scum, you don't kill us right now. Deal?

He of course should have said "dont kill me right now". Like Freud said, there are no accidents.

1. He could have been thinking about his scumbuddies
2. He could have been thinking about masonbuddies.
3. Just could have been a typo :s

I think its a scumslip because of the careful constructed way he went about it. Its a pretty calculated thing to say for your first post. It also is very wifomy and shady like someone else mentioned, for obvious reasons too. It just doesn't feel genuine to me.

While this post does show scumhunting I still don't like how Timeater latched onto the "scumslip" like a dog on a bone. Timeater, apart from this slip, do you think anyone else is scummy for saying that it

isn't

a slip? You don't seem to be aiming towards anyone other than Nacho at this point.

↑ Hinduragi wrote:
↑ Indecision wrote:(Equinox)

Hahahaha!

Vote: Faraday

This is good. Right now, the ONLY thing you can possibly be thinking if you're town is "ok, let's vote Faraday because we're paranoid of him and see what we can get in case he's scum". Otherwise, you're scum who want to 1.) coast 2.) have an easy RVS vote 3.) vote Faraday/possibly help to get him lynched who is going to be a PILLAR of town if you're scum.

↑ Indecision wrote:Faraday, just admit that you're scum and self-vote already.

There's no way that random.org gave you a town PM. You repel them.

-Mina

This is not.

Why? Vote Faraday means you're just poking. The next part is a blind joking reason as to why your vote might be good...at all. I'll come back to it in these next few quotestripes.

↑ Indecision wrote:Faraday, I know you called Jase town, but thoughts on the miller claim itself?

I'll stop spamming the thread, now, because Equinox as well as anyone else trying to catch up will kill me.

~Mina

You're asking Faraday what he thinks of Jase. If you're town, Mina legitimately thinks Jase might be scum and that is apparently obvious by the way he went about with his shadowy claiming and then her questioning him through it. Remember, Faraday is still being voted.

↑ Indecision wrote:Faraday: Mainly because I was enjoying the page one banter too much. And my initial instinct on his claim was town, I guess, so it didn't bother me that much right off the bat that his claim was vague? I'll admit my pressuring of him was sort of a perfunctory "Well, someone's claimed miller and didn't provide flavour; might as well force him to clarify" shot in the dark.

I'm not sure whether your last question was rhetorical, or what you mean by "edgy."

Jase: Does your PM explicitly say that any investigations on you will receive a guilty result?

Hinduragi: um, in case it wasn't obvious, my calling Faraday confirmed scum because
random.org always assigns him scum
was pretty tongue-in-cheek. How serious did you believe my and Faraday's votes on each other were?

-Mina

Now Faraday is a joke vote. Jase was a shot in the dark. I don't buy that, mainly because I was thinking the same thing about the claim and then I remembered that bit about fakeclaims and didn't buy his flavor at all, especially since he had to keep backstepping before he posted it. And back to Faraday....your vote's on him.

↑ Indecision wrote:Faraday, what answer were you expecting beyond "I don't think I'm particularly edgy" or "thanks for your opinion"? I've been spamming up the thread, but at this point, I think my play has been completely null. I don't think I've posted anything I couldn't have said as either alignment.

Hinduragi, links to games when you've seen scum ask people to self-vote
because that is a terrible, horrible reason for a bandwagon hop that you should be ashamed of
?

Equinox also wants to know where your Faraday-town read came from if you didn't read beyond the self-vote post on page one.

-Mina

It hasn't. Asking for feedback on your response isn't even needed. Like, really. All I read was "How do you think I'm doing right now since you're interrogating me and all?"

↑ Indecision wrote:(Equinox)

By the way, guys. Psst, psst. Indecision's a viable wagon. Join it for fun and games!

I don't see your town self ever doing this. I've seen you play. I've seen you bring logical arguments to the table. What haven't I seen? I haven't seen you flame someone else and try to joke about being wagoned. Why are you scum for that? Because you're logical and reasonable. When you joined the site, I read along in one of your newbie games and knew that since I looked up your meta in Open 218. Why doesn't a logical player flame as town? There's no need to. You're also nice from what I've seen. In Defcon 3 we had PLENTY of people derp'ing but I didn't see you super-sarcasm'ing on any of them. And then, D1 here, there's a wagon on you and you're being voted by 3, soon to become 7, and THIS change of attitude comes in? I don't buy that, not even for ONE second. I don't buy this voting Faraday shit, either, then jumping to Anxiety so quickly and jumping off of him almost as soon as that happened. I don't buy how quickly you switched the vote on him but just left it there on Faraday. I don't buy the sarcasm, the flaming, or any of it. And that is why I'm going to lynch you.

This actually makes me question my vote on Hindu. I like this post a lot because it shows that Hindu is willing to go toe to toe with people. However tunnely the post may look, I doubt that scum would have tried to make a meta case on someone this early and the case actually makes sense. Which makes me doubt everything. *sigh* Whatever. I'm going to be stubborn because I don't want to be fooled by Hindu again.

↑ Timeater wrote:
vote indecision

I'll go with it

Willing to say that if I am wrong about Indecision and they are scum, this is probably a weak bus as an excuse to get onto their wagon.

↑ Indecision wrote:(Equinox)

Hinduragi wrote:I don't see your town self ever doing this. I've seen you play. I've seen you bring logical arguments to the table. What haven't I seen? I haven't seen you flame someone else and try to joke about being wagoned. Why are you scum for that? Because you're logical and reasonable. When you joined the site, I read along in one of your newbie games and knew that since I looked up your meta in Open 218. Why doesn't a logical player flame as town? There's no need to. You're also nice from what I've seen. In Defcon 3 we had PLENTY of people derp'ing but I didn't see you super-sarcasm'ing on any of them. And then, D1 here, there's a wagon on you and you're being voted by 3, soon to become 7, and THIS change of attitude comes in? I don't buy that, not even for ONE second. I don't buy this voting Faraday shit, either, then jumping to Anxiety so quickly and jumping off of him almost as soon as that happened. I don't buy how quickly you switched the vote on him but just left it there on Faraday. I don't buy the sarcasm, the flaming, or any of it. And that is why I'm going to lynch you.

1) If you haven't seen me flame people, you haven't seen me play. I may be a logical player, but I'm also an emotional player who rages. Sure, there isn't a need for me to rage, and my reputation would probably be a whole lot better if I'd learned when to stop posting in games, but the fact is that I still play with a certain amount of emotion. DEFCON Mafia 3.0 was something of a success story. But enough about my meta because :lolselfmeta: isn't a defense.

2) When I ask people to vote me, I'm not joking around. It could potentially help me figure out if their suspicions of me are genuine or not and if they're willing to put themselves on the line and mislynch. For instance, this game: 4nxi3ty stated a couple of times that he thought 2 of {Faraday, Indecision, Jase} were scum. If he felt convinced by this -- and he sounded like he was -- he should have thought, "I have 67% chance of my vote landing on scum." Instead, he jumped onto Klazam. I wanted to see if I could bait him into voting and, if he did, how he decided to justify moving his vote. Timeater was in a similar boat when he first posted that he believed Faraday and I were scum together.

3) I can keep my vote on Faraday as long as I want. He knows he likes it! Okay, seriously, we're now talking about two different situations: There wasn't a large wagon on Faraday when we kept our vote there, but there was an 4nxi3ty wagon that was sitting at L-2. I read his post where he analyzed his wagon, decided it felt genuine, and didn't want my vote on an L-2 wagon while I waited for Mina to come online to help me deliberate on things in the thread.

The back and forth is nauseating. Indecision comes out looking better especially with this post, but like I said that other post with the case against Indecision by Hinduragi looks genuine.

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:
Oversoul wrote:From personal experience, people who say "x scum, y town" are usually scum as it is a blatant display of insider knowledge.

Gimmie that "personal experience", please.

Anxiety wrote:With recent activity the possibility of two scum in the previously mentioned triangle is valid.

This is the problem I have with you. What recent activity? (Be more specific). Why two scum in the triangle and not SPECIFIC PEOPLE IN THE TRIANGLE? (Be more specific). Are you afraid to call people out as scum, so you just call groups of people out as scum?

Hinduragi wrote:Oh, yes, yes. Let's flame me because I think you're scum. Honestly? Can you fucking cut it back? REALLY? My FIRST VOTE of the damn game and you're going to break this shit out instead of asking me ANYTHING about why I think you're scum? Fuck ALL THAT and ESPECIALLY fuck this sham of a defense.

This was an overreaction.

Another town post by Nacho. My personal experience stems from the fact that I have used it as scum, in an ongoing game, a scumbuddy of mine used it, and in Sexy Sedilla many scum used the x is scum, y is town.

I agree that Hindu overreacted.

↑ Timeater wrote:so why is zang continually lurking

↑ Faraday wrote:Is there anything in there I still need to answer, it seems most of them are out of date.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:46 am**

Zang's big wall post just asked a lot of questions, but he voted Hindu. And some FoSes... eh... not sure if want.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:00 pm**

stop with the walling

its either faraday/hindu (uncleared, bitch!)

or

zang/nach (shitreads on dlg, jase, os, etc)

first is p. much unlynchable d1 so im sticking with nacho. i could dig into zang tho

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:39 pm**

VOTE: nacho

Also whats up with the RPG referencing so much?

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:40 pm**

Alrighty! I'm just about ready to get back into it. Just a bit of wrapping up left to do. I should be posting normally on Friday or Saturday depending on how things go. In the meantime if anyone has any questions for me I'll be sure to get to those Friday either way.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:43 pm**

Oh also I noticed in the most recent votecount anxiety voted for me. When/why/etc?

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:45 pm**

↑ Jase wrote:Oh also I noticed in the most recent votecount anxiety voted for me. When/why/etc?

Unvote, Vote: Jase

In other news, votes should start coming off obvtown Oversoul now.

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:52 pm**

Not responding to Oversoul's bullshit anymore but he has to be town. All of his suspicion is based off the paranoia I'd expect to see from anyone who was town in RPG Mafia.

Unvote; Vote: Klazam

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:54 pm**

What are the odds all of us in RPG Mafia are all town here?

Posted: **Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:03 pm**

Zang wrote:Why would I care what you think is scummy?

Because I'm the guy who's going to get you lynched. Granted, that doesn't help you in this game, but for future reference, you'll know.

Here's the rules, as posted by Zang, regarding his reasons.

Zang wrote:
↑ DLG wrote:Your list of reasons for your reads is full of value judgements on the quality of various posts, and things you "don't like". Who gives a rat's ass what you like or think is not up to your standard of quality? This is scummy because it gives an appearance of analysis, without tethering you to any real scum/town analysis.

Also, when I say “don't like”. It does not mean that it is not up to standard quality, instead I mean that it is suspicious or scummy.

Zang wrote:
↑ DLG wrote:your reads/reasons post was vague and used language which gives you the luxury of going whichever way you want with the other players depending on the needs of the moment

How would I “go whichever way I want with the other players depending on the needs of the moment”? I gave my reads it's not like in the next post I can just call someone town that in my reads post I called scum.

Here's his reasons for his reads.

Zang wrote:Basic explaination:

Anxiety- His posts aren't that good but he seems town. I really don't like the wagon that formed on him.
Faraday- I don't like his posts or how he pretended to hammer Anxiety but I see very little scum motivation behind him. His response to most of my questions is adequate enough.
Klazam- I have a town gut read.
Jase- Not enough information. Based on the banter on page 1 he seems town but that's not enough for a read.
Kiwieagle- Not enough information.
Oversoul- Not enough information.
Seraphim- Not enough information.
Indecision- I can see both town and scum motivation behind his posts. They confuse me. I really that they should start posting more together.
Nachomamma8- I don't like the “us” or his deal in general. Not enough information though for a read.
DLG- His first post was rather scummy but that isn't really enough for a read. I don't like his vote on Anxiety.
Timeater- His posts are terrible and very scummy but I can see them coming from idiot town. Has contributed very little.
Hinduragi- His early posts are very scummy and so are his responses to my questions. I don't like his votes either.

Here's my interpretation and other commentary based on those rules. I'm operating on the assumption that good is likable is townie and bad is unlikable is scummy. I'll leave out the "Not enough information" ones, except for Jase.

4nxi3ty - #1 town read, even though his posts aren't that townie.

Which is non-sensical, and is the first contradiction in his defene of his reads.

The wagon which formed on 4nxi3ty was really scummy.

I'll come back to this.

Faraday - #2 town read, but his posts are scummy and his fake hammer was scummy, but there's no scum motivation.

Contradiction.

Faraday's answers are so-so.

Here starts the using of language which allows for mutability as needed.

Klazam - Town gut read.

Gut reads are very easy to dismiss if necessary and are nice to point to if you need them to be correct.

Jase - Not enough information, but here's a justification for calling him townie, but don't hold me to that.

Waffles for breakfast, courtesy of Zang!

Indecision - I can't be held to anything as long as I say both could be true.

I like honey on my waffles, please.

Nachomamma8 - The "us" and his deal in general is scummy, but I'm not committing to anything.

All-you-can-eat waffles, get 'em while they're hot!

DLG - I think his vote on 4nxi3ty is scummy, but I'll just say the whole post was for effect, but I won't be held to that assessment.

Another helping of waffles?!?! I'm getting full!

Timeater - His posts are super scummy and very scummy, but I can opt out of this if I say he's town, but I better try to make sure no one listens to that townie so I'll say he's idiotic.

For the finale, here's a huge Belgian waffle! Thanks, Zang! I cannot handle another bite.

Hinduragi - I'm voting him, so I can't leave any room for error on this read.

Aside from 4nxi3ty, this is the only "read" Zang can be held to.

Regarding the

really

scummy wagon on 4nxi3ty, the waggoners, in order, were Nachomamma8, Indecision, me (DLG), Oversoul, and Faraday. For the wagon to have been so scummy, why are none of the participants solidly scummy?

How about a Zang lynch? Day 1 scum lynches are a good idea, right?

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