Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Draynth]

If you call me English one more time I'll shoot you.

I may or may not be talking about the game.

Found the Irish / Welsh / Scotsman?

[Draynth]

UNVOTE: MathDino

Also, preliminary reads based on a skimread of the game

Town

AP - 1 or 2 small things that lead me to believe he's town, very little content so far though so this could be subject to change.
MathDino - I like his reasoning for scumreading TW, seems to be thinking about the game in a logical fashion.
ofrhz - The structured approach to breaking down cases and stuff feels super townie (See 386)
Oxy - I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he's saying here
ruru - seems pretty genuine

Null

pinturicchio - no idea what I think of this slot at the minute
Scioness Sajj - Not a whole lot to go off right now, nothing standing out to lead me to believe the slot is town or scum
Skitter30 - Full disclosure, I skipped most of her posts due to the length of them when skimming the thread, I'll go back and read them at some point.
Sunshine13 - Gonna have to reread this slot too I think, two posts in particular stood out but I need to think about what they make me feel sunshine's alignment is.
UglyDuck - Waiting for content.

Scum

Mohab500 - Lot of posting, lot of fluff.
TheWorst - Seems to be trying super hard to be friendly, could be a playstyle thing but I've never played with TW before so I have no idea. Either way I agree with Math's reasoning for scumreading this slot


Overall purely on the initial skim a fair few people seemed townie, not so many seemed scummy. Hoping to go over ISO's and stuff later today / tomorrow.
VOTE: TheWorst
for now

[AP]

my northside pal

Agnetha Fältskog?

[ruru]

VOTE: Draynth

[ofrhz]

@AP- why is your vote on Oxy?

[AP]

I actually think TW is my top scumspect haha

There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of suspect other players without explanation... and the Duck.

[AP]

@AP- why is your vote on Oxy?

Cuz I put it there, I guess.

[ofrhz]

Good answer.

Why did you vote Oxy

[ofrhz]

VOTE: Draynth

For the weird tw read or the weird AP read or
Ruru I need moar

[ruru]

Almost all the reads seemed super generic / possibly faked

[ruru]

I have to afk soonish but

MathDino - I like his reasoning for scumreading TW, seems to be thinking about the game in a logical fashion.

This seems like the worst reason to tr Md

ofrhz - The structured approach to breaking down cases and stuff feels super townie (See 386)

Also seems like the worst reason to tr you

Oxy - I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he's saying here

Huh? Like most of his posts have been super agreeable or explaining what other people said

ruru - seems pretty genuine

xd

Scum

Mohab500 - Lot of posting, lot of fluff.

I don't think it's actually scum-indicative at all for now, more baity than scummy

If I had to fake a readslist I would put Mohab as scum

[AP]

Thats your paranoia speaking ignore me

Right. Tell me MOLE.

[ruru]

If oxy is a townread for making sense than how is skitter a nullread even if you skimmed her

[ruru]

then* ...

[Sunshine13]

ok I'll do this point by point. sorry about long post

@Sunshine, This was your original question:

What are your thoughts regarding ruru voting me based on townreading you, then?

In my original answer, I packaged my thoughts concisely for you. I actually thought I was doing you a favor given how people don't like wallposts on this site. I didn't realize you wanted me to literally regurgitate my thoughts.

Your responses make sense if you’re buddying her, also if you give newer players some slack or if you’re just trying to look like you’re active without revealing too much. The first one is scum-leaning, the second NAI, the third mostly just anti-town. I note you answered the questions I asked to the letter,

not really revealing that much more than when you evaded the initial question

, just with more words and a bit more reference to your experiences with ruru. Not a good sign.

I actually am a newer player, so maybe I can empathize a lot with newer players.
Just went over the fact that I didn't intentionally evade your original question. After I realized what you wanted, I did give you all of my thoughts about ruru's vote on me. (How many thoughts do you expect me to have on 298?) You can choose to believe that or not.

I like expansive answers. I will generally strive to give them, too. If that results in a long post, so be it. It gives people a lot more to go on when forming reads. Brevity is something to be striven for, sure, but you also need to provide full answers so you don't get sucked into a back and forth of massive walls that takes time to write up and for other people to read and consider, when one wall with a proper answer will suffice.

You could have commented on ruru failing to substantiate why they're townreading you, in turn failing to substantiate their vote on me. This means, assuming the vote is because they want to lynch me, ain't nobody going to jump on that wagon, 'spesh since everybody is following math in calling me town. If it's a pressure vote - the more likely scenario - I feel no pressure, and the vote is doing nothing on me, other than frustrating me that it's not being used well.

Now, you're all "ruru is new, man" so I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to comment on the context of the vote, particularly when it will allow them - and other newer players - to use their vote better in future.

You've said you're new yourself (how many games have you played?) so you get a bit of slack in this regard, but not that much, because you also seem to be quite a logical fellow. I mean, you haven't even asked ruru about their vote, so it's kinda hard for me to accept you're thinking about the motivation behind it while not trying to encourage her to think about and then explain it.

p.edit: you did that just now for their vote on draynth - arguably with a bunch of leading questions, though - but not before

I am disturbed by the falsehood I pointed out previously.

OK about this "falsehood," would you not say this is singling me out:

ofrhz is the only player so far not to townread me.

You clearly made a few assumptions (that no one else was not-townreading you) when posting this. But at the time, I didn't realize this. That is why I said "Additionally, neither ruru nor I were townreading you, yet you chose to single me out for doing so.

I think this was genuine mistake on your part though

." How is this a falsehood?

This is also why I don’t like

ofrhz saying I’m ignoring other people for not townreading me

, as mentioned previously: when I voted, nobody else had said as much, and when ruru voted me, I put some pressure on her. You’ve joined that party, but I only have one vote *shrug*

?????? I never said this.

You've said I'm singling you out. Surely that's implying that I'm ignoring other people?

Who am I ignoring? I've pinged and pressured ruru about it, I've pinged skitter about it, so I'm clearly not ignoring them. I am passive-aggressively (if that's even the phraseology) telling people who are sheeping math's read that I'm not happy they're doing that, so I'm not ignoring them.

I mean there're other issues with what I'm doing here that nobody's brought up yet - though I have just defused that - but eh, it allows me to tunnel you sans distraction.

I explain what I meant by "people not town reading me" here, in p.edit2, which you quoted in the second of the two quote blocks above, meaning I'm confused why you need to ask the questions you asked in the first of the two quote blocks.

You seem more interested in the reasoning behind me calling you a liar than saying that I failed to adequately explain to you what I meant. Why is that?

Should I let someone who might be scum slide just because they’re new?

Not at all. I think you should consider a player's experience when trying to read them. You didn't do this, which is why I think your read on ruru is wrong.

I put a lot of effort in any single game, but I'm otherwise lazy. I won't look into another player's meta. You told me ruru is new, her posts come across as new, nobody has disputed these claims. It has been taken into consideration.

p.edit(continued)

ruru

: can you see anything in Draynth's post that would suggest why they're reads seem generic or faked? (I will fully accept accusations of hypocrisy from others)

pedit2 well, some other content about Draynth's list too. I like that better than my question. You can still answer it if you want.

But then a mis-step. Slow down, and read things all the way through. Then slow down again, and read it all the way through some more.

[Sunshine13]

holy shit bad grammar i need to edit it holy shit arghlbarghl

That was obviously meant to be "their reads", not "they're reads"

[ofrhz]

AP....

Why did you vote Oxy

VOTE: AP

[AP]

I’m about to crack under the pressure guys.

Would be interesting see you crack, Sunshine.

[AP]

AP....

Why did you vote Oxy

VOTE: AP

Busy. Come back later. I'm trying to keep the stream going so how about you stop squeezing.

[Sunshine13]

Why did humpty dumpty push his girlfriend of the wall?

He wanted to see her crack.

... sorry.

[Mathdino]

i'm reading more of AP's posts than sunshine/ofrhz's

down with lynching draynth though

[Sunshine13]

I think you might be trying to tell me something.

I can't possible tell what since it has fewer than 4 multi-sentence paragraphs.

[AP]

Wow that's kinda

evil

of you lol

AH-HA! GOT'EM!! Bag 'em and shag 'em for me, will ya?

[AP]

I mean, the point of the game is for town!you is to like, you know, try to figure out if math is trustworthy enough to follow instead of just listening to him?

Just listening to him cuz he's talking a lot isn't a really good idea if you're town - he could be scum trying to mislead you. And if you're scum, you've just absolved yourself of responsibility for your vote, cuz, after all, you were just listening to math, right?

Hmm. So you're saying Math could actually be molesting the molecular system in mole-dova? Is that it?

[AP]

Pretty sure scum!you never starts a thing with dino here.

Ah-ha! So you do trust in Dino being town himself here. Otherwise, why wouldn't scum.ruru try to distance herself from her partner?