Even Bernie was like no way dudeIn post 2422, BlackVoid wrote:I think people undervalue how important it is to have time to discuss claims. I know it's a probably controversial opinion but I don't value concealing their claims more than I value that additional day or two we'll have to talk about them. We can then reach a consensus as opposed to last-minute deadline panic with half the playerlist not here.In post 2393, Bernie Sanders wrote:Excuse meIn post 2389, BlackVoid wrote:It might actually be a good idea for TheWorst/Momrangal to claim. If we're going to wait all the way until intent is given, we're probably going to scramble towards deadline and it seems pretty obvious that those are our likely options.
We're not getting 2 claims
Blackvoid I thought you would know better than this wtf
I guess mom can claim if she wants but tbh I really don't think I'd believe any PR claim that comes out of her to begin with.
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2 days left. Mom was previously his top scumnread. All of a sudden gamma is asking for claims and doesn’t want to vote mom who is the encryptor?In post 2423, BlackVoid wrote:Rask, I'm going to do an ISO of both Momrangal and TheWorst before putting down a vote but I'm actually leaning towards TheWorst at this point.
It’s gotta be bv
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I was the only one on both. Regardless why I was on there I was there.In post 3474, BlackVoid wrote:You brought it up as a point in your favor. Based on context, it's not. So, it's misleading.
So am I town who got lucky or scum who double bussed when I didn’t have to?
You weren’t on mom and almost wasn’t on tw, despite him claiming a guilty on you.
Regardless of context I look better than you imo
This is why I said TODAY should be between me and you.
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Here is another reason why it should be me or bv. Bv basically brought it up in a round about way.In post 3348, BlackVoid wrote:For anyone suspecting me: you have to believe that Gustavo was the kill target N1. Except what motivation does scum have to kill someone who spent most of their time tunneling Shoshin and being a distraction?
Though bv was town reading me after shos claimed he saved me wasn’t he? Pretty sure he was. Interesting how I’m now possible scum because people suspect him
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I could have pretended to be busy and stayed off the wagon. Or pretended I needed more time to read.In post 3482, BlackVoid wrote:You voted Momrangal when there was no other option.
There is always an option. Bussing is stupid
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This means you think I’m scum.In post 3482, BlackVoid wrote:You didn't get lucky as town.
I did get lucky as town. I had no business on either wagon, yet I was.
I got lucky or I bussed. There is no 3rd option.
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That’s right. Hence why I asked keyser and elephant which they preferred in lylo.In post 3486, BlackVoid wrote:The flaw in your logic is the assumption that whichever of us weren't shot N1 is the scum. That's not the case. We could both be town but only one of us could have been shot N1.
Me and you
Me and errant
You and errant.
It doesn’t matter to me if you are lynched today or tomorrow. From my POV I find scum 100% unless it’s skitter.
You don’t think it’s skitter, nobody does.
So if you are town you win with my lynch or errant
If errant is town he wins with mine or yours
This is about making it easier on keyser/elephant cause whoever survives has to pick. I personally think you look like the last partner so it’s towns best interest to lynch you.
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Pretty sure I’ve addressed your posts. I also can’t ignore the fact that the most powerful of the flipped scum, you appeared to be stalling. Whether you were actually stalling or not won’t be known until you flip, but a very reasonable argument has been made supporting that and I don’t think you’ve defended yourself convincingly.
Your predecessor also had the chance to vote scum and didn’t.
2 people, same slot both having bad luck as town or is the slot scum? Who knows, but my vote says I think I know.
Your predecessor also had the chance to vote scum and didn’t.
2 people, same slot both having bad luck as town or is the slot scum? Who knows, but my vote says I think I know.
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Problem with this.In post 3496, Errantparabola wrote:I think that the paranoia that Gustavo is giving off feels a little fake to me. Here's the thing: what would I EXPECT scum to do today? They need to make it so that someone else gets lynched today while simultaneously making it as doable as possible to get someone else lynched tomorrow as well. I think that this falls somewhat into that category.
If town, What do you need to do today? They need to make it so that someone else gets lynched today while simultaneously making it as doable as possible to get someone else lynched tomorrow as well if they lynch wrong today.
It’s basically the same motivation as scum. I don’t need to be right today to win. If you are town, you don’t need to be right today to win. If BV is town he doesn’t need the be right today to win.
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Seems everyone is having issues with this.In post 3496, Errantparabola wrote:I got a lot less from scum associations than I thought I would which is a little disappointing.
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Why no Mathdino posts?In post 3496, Errantparabola wrote:BV/Mathdino
What are your thoughts about math scum reading mom more but joining gamma for little to no reasons?
What about bv attempting to shade me for the same thing except i hadn’t expressed a read on mom yet and I had reasons for gamma?
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Why do you think mom said she’s going to flip back and forth on math?In post 470, Momrangal wrote:Mathprobtown but I'm probably gonna flip back and forth there
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He town reads math but normally he scum reads him, he doesn’t even really have a reason for it. Is this something scum would say about their partner?In post 1297, Momrangal wrote:I actually townread math which IDK how to really take considering I usually scumread him regardless of his alignment. Objectively speaking, though and in a vacuum everything he's done is straight null alignment wise. Nothing he's done is outside his range of play as scum but I have a gut feeling that he isn't here, and it may be his progression.
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You do make a good point, but I could have easily lurked and used my experience to urge mom/the worst to do the same. I also wouldn’t be on either wagon. I also would never let the worst pull of any stupid gambits but people would have to take my word for it because I only have the one scum game. I’ve said my peace, I’ve made my case. I’ll sit and wait for people to lay their votes down. If I’m lynched today please listen to my posts about bv. bv vs errant I’m pretty sure bv is the one who flips scum.
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I know it doesn’t make sense to you but once my mind is made up on somebody I’m usually not going to change my mind. I honestly didn’t think I was shot at and I felt it was some sort of gambit given he voted me that day. If he thought he protected me from a NK, he should have never voted me. He should have never came at me. His credibility was shot with me already the moment he lied. You lie to me, I don’t trust you ever again.In post 3512, skitter30 wrote:this post is kinda interesting to me tho
I obviously disagree with you.In post 3513, skitter30 wrote:i don't think he was avoiding a mom wagon;
Except bv didn’t bring up a legitimate point and my point is hands down better. I hadn’t even read any of mom’s posts yet. Using that against me is a cheap shot.In post 3514, skitter30 wrote:this post basically reads like:
'bv brought up a legimate point so i'm going to negate it by bringing up a similar thing that math did and use it to make up reasons to scumread him'
Math expressed a scum read on mom and went against it.
You’re making a mistake if you do. Please don’t make another one tomorrow and lose the game for us. Vote bv tomorrow.In post 3515, skitter30 wrote:i'm tending quite a lot towards gustavo now btw
You aren’t reading my posts then. I explained why I scum read yo. I also explained why I’m not pushing you. I guess I’ll repeat myself againIn post 3516, skitter30 wrote:i also really hate that you keep saying it could be me but do nothing to like ... actually explain why you're scumreading me or like try to ge tme lynched in any way
I scum read you off gut
I’m not pushing you because there is no evidence that links you to the other scum. I’ve reviewed all 3 of your posts and you make no sense compared to the other two.
The go ahead and do it. I literally have nothing more I can add. Y’all know my reads and know who I want lynched tomorrow.In post 3518, skitter30 wrote:i kinda want to vote gustavo now
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I swear I don’t even remember learning that in school. I usually hold on to useless facts like these. Maybe I’m getting old.In post 3520, brassherald wrote:John Tyler was the first vice president to ascend to the presidency upon the death of a president. He did not make an inaugural address, and he never ran for the office of the Presidency.
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Here ya go skitter.
This vote doesn’t make sense if you are scum. Especially if after this a wagon forms on gamma and you don’t switch. You didn’t have to join mom at all.
I also realize my read on you came from hard defending shos.
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Keyser/elephant. Since y’all are the clears here. Seriously consider my question and then answer it by a vote.In post 3379, Gustavo wrote:Let me ask you this. What combo would you rather have in lylo
Me/errant
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I honestly don’t believe anyone can add anything that hasn’t already been added. Skitter tried to add stuff but all he did was point out what most people who play with me already know. I’m stubborn and have shit reads. But I don’t leave myself open to hop onto other people’s wagons. I close myself from everyone and even alienate them.
I do this as town. Nobody really knows if I do it as scum because my one scum game I didn’t do that.
I’m an enigma I guess. I play to find who I think is scum and I don’t care who is against me.
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Then don’t. I could easily pull this off as scum. I’ve seen other players do it. I’ve been compared to 2 players on this site and both of those players can pull it off.In post 3527, Keyser Söze wrote:It looks like I’m t/reading your ‘bad’/‘aggressive’/‘suboptimal’ behaviour via WIFOM.
You really have to look at the actions and figure out which makes the most sense.
I think the best example of that will be my vote on gamma vs math’s vote on gamma.
Compare the two of those. Look at the context leading up to it.
Does math vote gamma and not mom (who was his top scum read) as town or scum?
Do I vote gamma over mom (who I’ve guven no read on at all) as town or scum?
Let’s completely remove errant for today. If you lynch him today, it’ll be the same question tomorrow.
Lynch the guy who didn’t crumb BP, didn’t react to shos claiming he saved me, and only claimed after a scum gambit gone wrong
Or vote me. The person who’s literally done nothing to find scum
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And yet I didn’t coast...In post 3533, skitter30 wrote:i'm rereading a lot of the game and i think gustavo was pretty well-positioned to coast after the tw guilty thing - basically nobody was scumreading him at that time.
probably the only person who better fits that profile of where scum would be during that guilty thing is like me
If you believe this, who actually coasted?
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That’s a huge misrep bro. I didn’t say it imply he’s lying. When somebody claims a PR you assume he’s telling the truth until somebody counters. I actually believed his claim hence me speaking out against people voting him.In post 3532, skitter30 wrote:this is also a pretty weird post.In post 2518, Gustavo wrote:Unless somebody has info the worst is lying. Fos anyone who’s voted him or pushing for a claim. Especially a full claim.
But if tw has a guilty he should definitely put it this day phase.
'tw is probably lying but people who voted him or want a claim are suspicious' ???
That alone wiped all your town cred down the toilet because you aren’t a n00b and no way a n00b misreps something that bad.
@keyser/elephant. I really don’t envy your decision tomorrow. Skitter just threw himself back in the scum pool
After he had already dried himself off.
@keyser - what was your issue with me set voting? If I’m going to die, I’m
Not going to fight it.
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In post 3536, Gustavo wrote:That’s a huge misrep bro. I didn’t say it imply he’s lying. When somebody claims a PR you assume he’s telling the truth until somebody counters. I actually believed his claim hence me speaking out against people voting him.
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In post 3543, Gustavo wrote:That’s me basically saying until somebody CCs, it’s assumed he’s legit and nobody should be voting him.
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Your point is a complete misrep of what actually happened. You can just admit you misrepped me and apologize.In post 3549, skitter30 wrote:you literally say 'unless someone has info the worst is lying'
that to me sounds like you think the worst is lying unless we live in the special circumstance of someone having info. since there is no evidence of anyone having info i take that to mean you think tw is lying
i don't know how to get across my point better
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Because after reviewing everyone’s posts, you look like the last scum.In post 3550, BlackVoid wrote:But that just makes me wonder why he's so set on me.
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Except your slot doesn’t make since for a Nk either. Math was a useless player who rhymed.In post 3550, BlackVoid wrote:If he realizes he most likely wasn't the target anyways, that means my slot was and that should have given him pause.
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I never saw any proof of that. I could have sworn I asked for it at some point and nobody provided anything but a single game.In post 3556, skitter30 wrote:specifically of scum!tw and how town!math has a history of catching and power-lynching him
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From your POV if it’s not me it’s bv/errant.In post 3560, skitter30 wrote:i have no idea but that's what i'm wondering right now.
he just feels ... so defeatist and not-survivalistic
but idk who else it could be
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But why?In post 3563, skitter30 wrote:yeah but i townread them more than you, that's the thing
I mean if you really think it’s me, there isn’t anything else I can say or do. I’m fine with it.
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I was against a mom lynch early on that one day because of some very quick votes, it was sketchy af. And I covered the gamma thing, math’s vote on gamma was way more indicative of scum trying to save mom. I had just replaced in and hadn’t even read mom’s posts, math actually scumnread mom and refused to vote her. You acting very scumnread mom and refused to vote her.In post 3574, BlackVoid wrote:That and Gustavo pushing against a Momrangal lynch early on, and the vote on Gamma all point to him.
This post is terrible because it isn’t me.
Lynch bv tomorrow please. It has to be him.
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Tomorrow, Ask yourself why the worst didn’t want to change his investigation target. Why did it have to be BV? Also bv seemed sure he was the one investigated before the worst outed himself. Lastly how would you react when your partner was attempting a risky gambit? Would you defend him or cast shade on him?
Like I’m kind of honored you guys are scared of me being scum because you think I’m capable of mimicking my town meta, tbh I don’t know if I can or not as I’ve only played one scum game in 3 years and that game wasn’t similar to this at all.
I’m also sort of insulted y’all think I could be scum because I’ve played an honest/genuine game and you guys think I’m basically a shitty player. I know I’m not perfect but I haven’t played like scum.
You guys did sort of make the right call. I did say me/bv. I just felt confirming the Bp would be more useful. Tomorrow please ignore the Bp claim. You don’t know if scum shot me or him and you don’t know if he is even Bp, so you have to pretend it didn’t happen.
Good luck guys.
Like I’m kind of honored you guys are scared of me being scum because you think I’m capable of mimicking my town meta, tbh I don’t know if I can or not as I’ve only played one scum game in 3 years and that game wasn’t similar to this at all.
I’m also sort of insulted y’all think I could be scum because I’ve played an honest/genuine game and you guys think I’m basically a shitty player. I know I’m not perfect but I haven’t played like scum.
You guys did sort of make the right call. I did say me/bv. I just felt confirming the Bp would be more useful. Tomorrow please ignore the Bp claim. You don’t know if scum shot me or him and you don’t know if he is even Bp, so you have to pretend it didn’t happen.
Good luck guys.
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Did anyone even read these? Did anyone even consider what i am saying?
no I don't think anyone did. Like criticize me all you want about my defeatist attitude but despite that I am still trying to make points to consider.
no I don't think anyone did. Like criticize me all you want about my defeatist attitude but despite that I am still trying to make points to consider.
In post 3504, Gustavo wrote:Why do you think mom said she’s going to flip back and forth on math?In post 470, Momrangal wrote:Mathprobtown but I'm probably gonna flip back and forth there
Since others know about the worst and math when the worst is scum, can somebody verify does the worst do this when he is town or could he doing this because math is his partner?In post 3505, Gustavo wrote:He town reads math but normally he scum reads him, he doesn’t even really have a reason for it. Is this something scum would say about their partner?In post 1297, Momrangal wrote:I actually townread math which IDK how to really take considering I usually scumread him regardless of his alignment. Objectively speaking, though and in a vacuum everything he's done is straight null alignment wise. Nothing he's done is outside his range of play as scum but I have a gut feeling that he isn't here, and it may be his progression.
In post 245, the worst wrote:I tend to just dump math in the town bin and sort him later and that generally works for me (as he's generally town)
Look at this post by Bernie. he clearly saw some sort of mom/tw/math connection so I feel better that i am not the only one who saw it. Bernie had some damn good reads so you have to at least take this into consideration tomorrow when I am gone please.In post 1847, the worst wrote:dude come onIn post 1839, Bernie Sanders wrote:VOTE: The worst
I think mom-TW then probably N_M, if not then BV/math slot. Mom tw have to die though.
I was going to hard insist mom today actually but 1746 is legitimately scummy from duck here.
FTR vla should only stop a wagon d1 because it's about content/pressure then. I kind of just want flip now.
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This has nothing to do with my motivation being gone. This has everything to do with the game basically being solved from my POV. I’m town so it’s either bv or errant.In post 3582, Irrelephant11 wrote:If his motivation is gone
I don’t think it’s skitter and if it is we all have been fooled and he deserves the win
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This.In post 3582, Irrelephant11 wrote:ep I'm reading your long post now and one thing you include is "I don't think scum have fakeclaims?" when in fact they do
I made that mistake myself but mid used safe claim, not fake so I didn’t see it when searching the role pm
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Here’s some food for thought.In post 3582, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'm almost willing to do BV first here, just to clarify if he is indeed bulletproof who was probably shot before killing Gustavo
But like, the other way around works too I think
Me flipping VT doesn’t confirm if bv was shot or is even a BP
Bv flipping confirms that if he was a BP he was probably shot, and if he isn’t the game is over.
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You say 3 potential scum but nobody is seriously considering skitter as scum. Everyone has written skitter off as basically confirmed town.In post 3587, Irrelephant11 wrote:You keep using the word "solved" when in fact we have two lynches for three potential scum.
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How many games have you played with scum skitter?In post 3596, BlackVoid wrote:Again ignoring context. I'm not saying paranoia can't be faked in general. I'm saying based on what I know about skitter, this is not the reaction she'd have as scum.In post 3595, Gustavo wrote:You don’t think paranoia can be faked but you seem to think I can fake all my reactions though...
As scum you are stubborn. You push things that you call "scumtells" with the same amount of conviction as when you are town. You can project an inner belief that townies are legitimately scummy and deserve to be lynched. You seem to be the kind of player that would legitimately hate it and be offended if you are caught for what you think are the wrong reasons. So, I don't townread your reactions. I don't necessarily scumread them either. But your predecessor's interactions with flipped scum and Errant's behavior during the guilty is what I'm basing my decision on.
Scum pushing scumtells is what scum is supposed to do. I’m not being stubborn when I’m pushing them as scum. You completely misrepped me when you said my game here is similar to my scum game, it isn’t at all yet people just believed you.
As for this game. Shos intentionally lied. How can I ignore that? If you were town and somebody intentionally lied about you to shade you, would you ignore it? I don’t think you would.
That’s what this all game down to really. If shos hadn’t lied the entire game would have been different
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But they did...In post 3597, Errantparabola wrote:in the context of my post I was saying that they didnt have roleclaims
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I’m not begging to be lynched. I’m saying that today resolving the no kill night 1 is probably more important. I’m still urging people to vote bv but I’m fine being lynched also.In post 3597, Errantparabola wrote:scum that is trying to win by employing a honestly really risky strategy of begging to be lynched
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Oh I like being right.
If you don’t have multiple games with somebody as scum, you can’t speak to how they would react.In post 3605, Gustavo wrote:Without that this meta read on skitter’s attitude when playing as scum is clearly fabricated.
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From my scum game
“Being stubborn in this game doesn’t work. If you are town you have to get other people to work with you. Stubbornness is the best way to push people away and not want to play with you anymore. Sometimes you have to scrap your original idea and go back to the drawing board.”
Yet bv says my game here is similar to that game
“Being stubborn in this game doesn’t work. If you are town you have to get other people to work with you. Stubbornness is the best way to push people away and not want to play with you anymore. Sometimes you have to scrap your original idea and go back to the drawing board.”
Yet bv says my game here is similar to that game
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I’ll leave people with this and then I really have to get back to work.
As scum it would be stupid for me to want bv lynched. Bv flipping BP would prett much eliminate any doubt in people’s mind that I’m scum. I lose hands down to errant or skitter.
As scum i’d need bv with me in lylo
Sure it’s wifom but it’s also the truth.
As scum it would be stupid for me to want bv lynched. Bv flipping BP would prett much eliminate any doubt in people’s mind that I’m scum. I lose hands down to errant or skitter.
As scum i’d need bv with me in lylo
Sure it’s wifom but it’s also the truth.
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I pushed you first though so this is flawed logic. You as scum have to push back at me because I’ve made great points. You grasped at straws when you pulled out that switch to gamma and again when you tried to imply my scum meta is similar when it isn’t.In post 3616, BlackVoid wrote:That's a bad argument to begin with because you could still be town that wasn't shot. I don't know why people keep continuing to push this flawed logic. Having me in lylo is probably scum's best chance of losing the game because I'm harder to argue against than either you or Errant. You have to push back on me here because I'm pushing you and if you don't plant the seed of doubt about me, you're just going to end up lynched.
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Why would I leave nm here and vote black if I were scum?In post 2771, Gustavo wrote:VOTE: black void
I find it interesting he said he had mom as his top scum read but never votes. He also is seen asking why mom/bernie can’t be town v town. Later he’s talking about mom and the worst. Mom’s wagon already has 4 and He says he’s thinking of voting the worst. Why would he vote the worst over mom who is his top scum read and has the bigger wagon? He then disappeared and we lynched mom.
I saw mom pushing hard early day 1 for nm’s predecessor so for now nm can be left to continue playing against his win condition imo.
I’ve been suspicious of Black for a while. It wasn’t just today.
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After I voted you, you started grasping at straws. Desperation is a scum trait.In post 3620, BlackVoid wrote:You were suspicious of me, yeah but I'm talking about your play today. Me attacking you seems to have made you more sure about your read.
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That point about me voting gamma over mom. You can’t honestly use that against me because your predecessor did the same thing only worse
Your slot twice had the opportunity to vote mom and didn’t.
You misrep my scum game and tried to imply it’s similar to my town game when it isn’t.
All this happens AFTER I voted you.
That’s desperate. I’m fine being lynched. I’ve left great nuggets of wisdom for town. I’m not desperate
Your slot twice had the opportunity to vote mom and didn’t.
You misrep my scum game and tried to imply it’s similar to my town game when it isn’t.
All this happens AFTER I voted you.
That’s desperate. I’m fine being lynched. I’ve left great nuggets of wisdom for town. I’m not desperate
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You are correct, that is bad memory, my fault, it was actually the worst. Which kind of makes it worse since supposedly math is good at catching the worst as scum...In post 3626, skitter30 wrote:this never happened
You do realize BV used that point agianst me first right? He tried to imply that made me scum, but what math did was way worse than what i did. I didn't have a read on mom, math scum read the worst. I had reasons to push gamma, math didn't.In post 3626, skitter30 wrote:you're accusing bv of being scum on the basis that his predecessor scumread flipped scum but didn't vote her when the oppurtunity arose - math lurked basically throughout day1 and wasn't exactly active and voting gamma instead of her at the following vc is not scum indicative imo. also he literally never stated a read on her so claiming he scumread her and avoided voting her isn't true
So they either cancel each other out OR math looks worse imo. The narrative that math looks town and I look like scum is horseshit.
NOW, let's talk about the lurking. I won my scum game by lurking. Lurking is generally anti-town and some still treat it like a scumtell. Math lurking doesn't make the slot better, it makes it worse.
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That isn’t a weird trajectory at all when you consiser the timing of my vote as only due to deadline. And Jesus Christ I said somebody shouldn’t be wagoned while on v/la and that’s a bad thing? Like really?In post 3630, skitter30 wrote:he might have scumread him but i don't think he goes all-in on a tw scumread when he isn't really in the agme and can't really push it through conclusivelyIn post 3628, Gustavo wrote:You are correct, that is bad memory, my fault, it was actually the worst. Which kind of makes it worse since supposedly math is good at catching the worst as scum...
i don't think math voting gamma instead of tw at that time is significant
in constrast you say:
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- 'pretty sure i havne't had a mom scumread today' (2195)
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- 'more reasons to dislike the mom wagon. i don't even have a read on mom but these reasons just suck' 2269
- 'Not that my opinions matter to anyone but my gut says mom flips town. The reasons are hella weak and the lack of a counter speaks volumes. ' 2320
- and then you vote her 2415
overall i think your trajectory is much worse than math's lack of one given that he flaked.
like math basically site-flaked. it wasn't specific to this game and i don't think it was ai. before you say maybe he did it on purpose sitewide for this game as scum - he still isn't really back and it's been weeks and he even flaked out of i think two towngames and he actualy likes playing town and i can't imagine doing him doing that unless there were significant real-life reasons
Smh.
Keyser vote me please.
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I mean pushing on mom, fighting gamma and the next day playing the “see I told you” card is something I’ve seen scum do and it’s what you basically did.In post 3655, skitter30 wrote:i absolutely would if i thought it would get scum farther overall, and i'm semi-decent at screwing with associativesIn post 3647, Gustavo wrote:Is anyone familiar with skitter’s scum games? Does she like to bus/distance?
i don't think i could convincingly bus over like a month in real time starting from like the super super early posts of the game tho
like i would do it but i don't think it would look like this
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Post game let’s sit down and work on your sarcasm detectorIn post 3664, Irrelephant11 wrote:This is how he started D2, and is also false. D1 he actually said lotsa times that Mom's wagon was bad, his gut said she'd flip town, etc. And yet he tries to get towncred for her lynch
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In post 3664, Irrelephant11 wrote:Mom is the only woman in this game Gustavo has never misgendered!
Mom in my mind is always female. I wasn’t raised by gay dads or anything so that’s kind of an easy thing to remember
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In post 3667, Irrelephant11 wrote:Yeah that helps me remember it too but fwiw actually "Momrangal" which isn't obviously gendered and Nauci's avi is literally the face of a woman and iirc he misgendered her along with shoshin and skitter
anyway like I said it's not strong enough that any of you will likely sheep me about it but it is strong enough that it adds to what is already my scummiest read
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I have a very interesting tidbit about Adams and Thomas Jefferson, not sure if it’s in your notes for future facts or not.In post 3696, brassherald wrote:John Adams was the first President to live in the White House.
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This is pretty long and we still have 5 days to go and an entire day phase after that.In post 3700, skitter30 wrote:aside i think this is hands-down the longest game i've ever been in
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like if elephant man wasn't cleared, i would swear he is scum. his play today makes no sense as town.
He basically lined up lynches - Saying me first, if I am town, bv tomorrow.
misrepped my motivation
seriously suggested I was scum because I didn't misgender mom
town is going to lose because he is going to be the person to decide in lylo. The person who thinks misgendering is AI is town's only hope of winning?
GG to whoever the last scum is. TW set up guys up nice and left behind this clown
He basically lined up lynches - Saying me first, if I am town, bv tomorrow.
misrepped my motivation
seriously suggested I was scum because I didn't misgender mom
town is going to lose because he is going to be the person to decide in lylo. The person who thinks misgendering is AI is town's only hope of winning?
GG to whoever the last scum is. TW set up guys up nice and left behind this clown
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I was referring to the act of lining up lynches. regardless who the lynch target is, lining up lynches is extremely anti-town especially from his pov. for me I know for a fact that scum is you or errant. Elephant man doesn't know that but made a post that basically implied he's going to be coming in with his mind made up, which brings up another anti-town attitude. From his pov he doesn't have the same luxury I have. He has to decide between 2 so coming into lylo with your mind made up is also extremely attitude.
once I am dead, I have no control over what town does, but I don't want anyone coming in with a closed mind and he basically said he was going to do that.
once I am dead, I have no control over what town does, but I don't want anyone coming in with a closed mind and he basically said he was going to do that.
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yeah, keyser is being killed tonight i'm pretty sure. Scum have to get rid of the smarter players and you have shown you aren't on the same level as keyser with your misgender accusation.In post 3712, Irrelephant11 wrote:good thing I'm cleared
my job rn is to provide ordered reads, since keyser might be the one to do lylo
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how do you tell the difference between scum being angry and caught for the wrong reasons vs town being angry for being lynched for the wrong reasons?In post 3713, Irrelephant11 wrote:Gustavo feels like scum angry for being caught for all the wrong reasons
also I'm not a clown, thanks <3
And you may not be a man who dresses up with a wig, big shoes and a red nose, but you sir are a fucking clown if you think misgendering is remotely AI.
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keyser is more than likely dying tonight. scum is keeping you around because you give scum the best chance to hammer wrong because of how close minded you are being.In post 3718, Irrelephant11 wrote:Gustavo I just explained that I have to give my preferred lynch order to help Keyser
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mafia and monopoly are the same to me. I enjoy playing it but the people I play with are sometimes so bad that i get angry. Sometimes I am so bad I make others angry.In post 3718, Irrelephant11 wrote:not sure why you enjoy playing mafia, seems like it's just an exercise for you in expressing anger at friendly people
i don't quit monopoly, I am not going to quit mafia.
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you said I was scum because i didn't misgender somebody namedIn post 3723, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'll continue to engage with you when you have a post to respond to that doesn't try to hurt my feelings
MOM
That hurt my feelings.
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I’ve often wanted to death tunnel a scum buddy for that very reason. Wouldn’t put it past somebody from trying it.In post 3733, skitter30 wrote:lolIn post 3707, Gustavo wrote:Conspiracy theory. Skitter/tw post claim is scum theater.
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I’ve made my arguments why I’m not scum. I’ve defneded myself and made an argument who I do think is scum.In post 3740, skitter30 wrote:what i'm stuck on with u is that i don't think scum literally asks to be hammered to end the game here
They’ve all been ignored. There is no point in me playing anymore regardless of my alignment. Everyone’s mind is made up so maybe my lynch will be the wake up call people need.
Idk but I’m spent and replacing out now isn’t right.
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To be fair, scum could easily do something. Technically it’s wifom.In post 3744, skitter30 wrote:like this just doesn't come from scum i think?
That said, no I’m not scum but don’t let my AtE be the reason that changes your mind. If my cases didn’t convince you, stick to your guns.
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What exactly was scummy about me trying to lynch my scum reads or compromising at deadline to whoever town was pushing to prevent a no lynch?In post 3752, Irrelephant11 wrote:I think Gustavo wanting to be lynched might just be NAI? And D1, D2, D3 play all seem pretty scummy imo
It might be better to lynch Gustavo just because he wants to be lynched
Like if he's town here will we win lylo with him in it
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How?In post 3760, Irrelephant11 wrote:I think Stungun's game looks like scumgun
What parts don’t make sense?In post 3760, Irrelephant11 wrote:I think your play has never once made sense to me this game,
Are your reasons for town reading them any good?In post 3760, Irrelephant11 wrote:where I townread other players more that is part of my read
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And forget stun. Does this look like my scum game?In post 3763, Gustavo wrote:How?
I say absolutely not. The only one saying it’s similar is bv who isn’t being honest
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If you’ve been reading the entire day, I’ve been willing to hash stuff out with everyone. Thanks for paying attentionIn post 3766, Irrelephant11 wrote:Wow okay switching from "just kill me" to "let's hash out all your thoughts on the game" not sure how to read this tone switch
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If a player intentionally lies to shade you. Do you town read them?In post 3766, Irrelephant11 wrote:Your scumread of Shoshin (to this day),
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Ok you make an ok point here but as either alignment I would compromise to prevent an NL. Most people would.In post 3766, Irrelephant11 wrote:the way you insist other players "cooperate" with you and your reads while in large part not doing the same (except as you bring up, right before each lynch goes through)
So why do you use that as AI against me?
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No it isn’t.In post 3769, Irrelephant11 wrote:Sure, but it's a marked difference from your tone even 30 minutes ago. I'm trying to discern how AI that is. Also, you're welcome.
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You disagree with Shos which is whatever. I had good reason today specifically scum read himIn post 3766, Irrelephant11 wrote:most of your reads and reasoning all game, honestly.
You voted gamma after I did so you clearly shared that one.
Could you maybe be less vague? I can’t defned myself from vague accusations
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No please don’t.In post 3772, Irrelephant11 wrote:I've learned that this sore subject makes you angry and leads to many posts that are unhelpful because they are NAI. I'm gonna skip this question
If a player out right lied about you to shade you. How would you react?
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Idk if I ever refused to cooperate though. Can you find some specific examples where I refused to cooperate?In post 3772, Irrelephant11 wrote:I think it's scummy not because of the compromising, but because of the refusal most of the time to cooperate
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I’m sitting at l-2 right now. Even if I self vote nobody is hammering me so as I’ve been doing all day, I’m still participating until I’m deadIn post 3773, Irrelephant11 wrote:Okay. You can pick whatever words you want here. Some choices:In post 3771, Gustavo wrote:No it isn’t.In post 3769, Irrelephant11 wrote:Sure, but it's a marked difference from your tone even 30 minutes ago. I'm trying to discern how AI that is. Also, you're welcome.
1) "hammer time?" and a list of three questions are different and I wonder if it's AI
2) Gustavo has wanted to end the day and wanted to keep talking at different points in the last couple hours, interesting
3) My favorite color is peach and Gustavo is a majestic giraffe
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My issue with you is you aren’t even using things that are AI in general, and things that are probably more in line with my town meta.
People give me shit for having bad reads
For tunneling
For not cooperating
Sadly I do all that as town. I try to fix it but as somebody said, I’m a surface level player. I see lying as a scumtell and don’t consider the alternative (not sure how lying is town I say but whatever)
Sure my interactions with flipped scum look bad, but that’s probably the only real reason anyone has.
Scum did a good job of blurring the lines, obviously because this decision today is harder than anyone expected.
People give me shit for having bad reads
For tunneling
For not cooperating
Sadly I do all that as town. I try to fix it but as somebody said, I’m a surface level player. I see lying as a scumtell and don’t consider the alternative (not sure how lying is town I say but whatever)
Sure my interactions with flipped scum look bad, but that’s probably the only real reason anyone has.
Scum did a good job of blurring the lines, obviously because this decision today is harder than anyone expected.
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What?In post 3784, BlackVoid wrote:Obviously, I agree with Irrelephant that even if Gustavo is town, I don't want him in LYLO.
I’d be way less of a liability in lylo than elephant man would be.
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That isn’t game throwing. Hard bussing happens.In post 3788, BlackVoid wrote:Bottomline, there's pretty much no reason for TheWorst to fake-claim a guilty on his partner and essentially throw the game. Guiltying a townie as a last ditch effort to get a mislynch in before he dies is actually pretty good scumplay and much better than silently getting lynched. I should be clear for all intents and purposes and Irrelephant and skitter both swimming around in endless paranoia is quite honestly baffling at this point.
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Usually yes. Don’t you?In post 3793, Keyser Söze wrote:@Gustavo - everytimeyou thinka player is lying about you, do you think they’re scum?
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Idk, I just am not able to do that. By giving in, I’m basically saying it’s ok to lie about somebody as town and that isn’t ok imo. Like take skitter, he put words in my mouth cause somehow he has never heard of waiting for a counter claim. He interprets that as me saying something that I didn’t say. That’s suspicious but I’ve eventually just backed off cause in the end it’s not worth arguing about since nobody is suspecting him. But shos was something completely different. I just replaced in, I was trying to examine the current wagon and I asked him a couple of questions, I didn’t single him out as I asked others also. He got defensive and completely lied about his last game with me. That is wrong on 3 levels. 1. He tried to shade me by saying I should know he’s done that as town (but he hadn’t) and 2. It was shutting down communication, which this game relies on heavily and 3, he was denying me information I needed to try and develop reads and make informed decisions.In post 3795, Keyser Söze wrote:Why don’t you show any balance or signs of trying to measure out someone’s perspective?
I’m pretty sure every game I’ve played since my return I’ve called out people for lying. I was basically run off this site because of the lying I’d do as town. I’ve learned my lesson and I’m not going to let anyone else get away with it.
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Have you never heard of distancing?In post 3796, Keyser Söze wrote:TW's and Mom's partner would not say this.
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Mislynch doesn’t lose the game. I did that whole if you are town unvote and that accomplished nothing.In post 3803, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 3524, Keyser Söze wrote:If you’re town, unvote bro.In post 3521, Gustavo wrote:VOTE: gustavo
Clearly I’m getting lynched today so let’s stop wasting time.Are you scum?
I don't have time for AtE - if you're town and we misslynch you today we lose this game. Unvote and keep trying to solve the game.
I’ve solved the game. It’s bv. If I’m wrong it’s errant. If it’s skitter that’s not on me, it’s on all of us.
I got shit on for not doing enough despite already doing a lot. I went and did even more and found multiple instances of bv blatantly misrepping my scum game and finding a more egregious version of the kind of thing he accused me of doing. Nobody budged. Everyone is dead set on me so no matter what I do I lose today and town have to deal with the real scum tomorrow.
Im basically lynched no matter what I do so now I do nothing as I’ve left behind my thoughts and reasons.
Scum is BV
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My POV it isIn post 3807, Keyser Söze wrote:That's not "solved the game"In post 3804, Gustavo wrote:I’ve solved the game. It’s bv. If I’m wrong it’s errant. If it’s skitter that’s not on me, it’s on all of us.
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Very irritated you didn’t do this. I hare people who make accusations and when asked to back it up won’t.In post 3781, Irrelephant11 wrote:sorry at work and things got busier answers might have to happen later
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I never scum read either playerIn post 3835, Irrelephant11 wrote:Something I'm learning as I'm reading Gustavo's ISO and thinking about EP's - EP thinks it's mom and tw pretty much right off the bat. Meanwhile, Gustavo never gives a reason to scumread either player, but does vote for both of them when they're lynched. Hard to say which is the informed perspective...
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And? That doesn’t clear errant at allIn post 3843, Irrelephant11 wrote:ohhh nevermind I don't want to lynch EP he scumread the worstafterpicking him as neighbor
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He was saying there was no attempts at a counter when there were 2. Remember the whole lying thing? I didn’t know why he would lie so I was suspicious of him.In post 3841, Irrelephant11 wrote:this was the first mention I could find of a scumread on skitter and I didn't understand it
Idk how you thought that but whatever. I’m not a fan of stalling posts. I wanted to make sure he wasn’t going to say that and then lurk.In post 3841, Irrelephant11 wrote:this seemed like a vote for scum, you're saying now it's not but either way I don't get the thinking here. Why vote someone for pressure when they say they're about to make content? Why scumread someone about to make content, rather than wait for the content to see?
Shame on you for by ever asking me to explain them, don’t use your inability to ask me questions against me now.In post 3841, Irrelephant11 wrote:Skitter, Bernie, Keyser scumreads. Never understood any of these. (sidenote: subtle defense of mom here)
Skitter I’ve sort of explained earlier plus the part I just explained.
Bernie I explain in that post. That hammer was weird. I don’t town read weird behavior
Keyser I just explained. I hate when people say they are going to post stuff when they could just post stuff
That wasn’t really a mom defense. Back to back votes for somebody out of the gate struck me as weird.
Idk why that’s a bad thing really but I can’t really defend myself here. I was suspicious of you but I was more suspicious of other people I guess.In post 3841, Irrelephant11 wrote:You find reasons to scumread me but go on to ignore them and not vote me ever
Like I don’t know what your issue with that is. Players an act scummy and not be scum. There is even a common phrase we used to use, “too scummy to be scum”. This is a stupid reason to use against me and you should seriously go back to the newbie que for a long time after this game.In post 3841, Irrelephant11 wrote:like what
I don’t possibly understand how you can be confused by that statement. I’ll concede it was uncooperative but that isn’t AI. So...In post 3841, Irrelephant11 wrote:this is both confusing and an un-cooperative attitude
I’m sorry but if you didn’t ask me to explain back then, you lose the right to complain about it now. Your inability to question me should be your problem, not mine. I can give you explanations for them now if I felt it would make a difference but you’ve essentially ignored everything I’ve had to say today and then started attach nonsense like misgendering to lynch me so you’ve made your agenda quite clear.In post 3841, Irrelephant11 wrote:you" meaning Shoshin. This list is again without reasons, seems baseless, confused me then and confuses me now
And? This is very nit picky and doesn’t really relate to my alignment. I’m sure if you looked at other games I’ve done the same thing. It’s a product of me tunneling.In post 3841, Irrelephant11 wrote:Ignoring the shoshin thing, you're consistent here with previously expressed scumreads but still make no case on most of them/don't vote most of them
I don’t have to make sense to you though.In post 3841, Irrelephant11 wrote:this makes no sense to me,
Weird? Sure. Scummy? Sure I can see that but tell me I’m wrong.In post 3841, Irrelephant11 wrote:this is weird and in retrospect v scummy
If you can honestly say you want NM in the game over either of those 2 you are flat out lying to everyone. NM doesn’t post content. He would remain completely unreadable and would be lynched in lylo.
That isn’t a contradiction at all if you actually read the entire post and not quite me out of context.In post 3841, Irrelephant11 wrote:town wins no matter what" and "if y'all want to lynch me I already said that should be the choice" contradict
From MY POV it’s Bv it errant. If I lynch wrong today, I lynch right tomorrow.
Separately. Town should lynch me or bv today because figuring out who scum tried to shoot is beneficial imo.
So why not ask me when I said it? Go read the post from errant. He said tw was setting up skitter and nauci as mom’s partners. Why would scum tw say that to town errant? Sounds more like what scum tw would say to scum errant personally.In post 3841, Irrelephant11 wrote:No clue what this is referring to or means
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This was what I was referring to. If town errant saw that he’d know that was a scum slip. He would have brought that up.In post 2655, Errantparabola wrote:I neighborized worst.
I told him that he was obviously softing PR. I asked where his reads were and said that he was pushing nauci and skitter hard yesterday and setting them up as partners with mom while trying to push mom and that was suspicious to me
That seems more of a s v s conversation and he messed up when he posted in the game thread.
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Also I know I’ve asked for this before but don’t remember seeing a response. I want to see these crumbs errant noticed that nobody else didIn post 2655, Errantparabola wrote:but it seemed like worst was pretty much gearing up to claim eventually with how hard he was hinting at it in thread
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And again if he was his town read who crumbed a Pr, why vote him day 2?In post 3852, Gustavo wrote:Also I know I’ve asked for this before but don’t remember seeing a response. I want to see these crumbs errant noticed that nobody else didIn post 2655, Errantparabola wrote:but it seemed like worst was pretty much gearing up to claim eventually with how hard he was hinting at it in thread
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In post 3854, brassherald wrote:I don't understand this question, and therefore cannot answer it.In post 3846, Gustavo wrote:mod, would encryptor only apply for mafia forum or would it apply for all forums if applicable?
would mafia encryptor allow all private forums to have daytalk? Or just the mafia one?
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That’s a weird thing to be annoyed about. I looked into all 3 players, as I said earlier. Bv looks like the most likely partner to the flipped scum.In post 3859, Keyser Söze wrote:I’m annoyed Gustavo hasn’t made today about Errant vs BV.
Though I did recently point out some things that I’d like errant to clarify.
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To be fair bv’s focus has been on getting me lynched also. He was the one who accused me of going after him because he was going after me, however that was actually a lie as I went after bv first and that forced his hand.In post 3859, Keyser Söze wrote:EP’s contributions today have been minimal OR focused on getting Gustavo lynched
That’s part of my frustration. Nobody is seriously considering the possibility that I’m town.
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So was saying I’m scum cause I didn’t misgender mom but here we are.In post 3862, Irrelephant11 wrote:the insults coming my way this game day are unnecessary and uncalled for.
I say these things not to hurt you, that was never my intention and I’m sorry if I did that but it’s to make you a better player. Some of the things you are using to scum read me are pretty bad and I have to call you on them.
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Convinced of what?In post 3869, Keyser Söze wrote:All you guys are probably all right, sorry for dragging this out (Gustavo had/has me convinced)
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Why is the worst near the bottom?In post 1990, Errantparabola wrote:On my phone cause campus internet’s down. I will respond to things later
Here is a very rough, but well ordered set, of my reads
Bernie
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Irre
Keyser
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Night 2 ep supposedly said this.In post 2676, Errantparabola wrote:EP: I know youre a PR
If you just neighbored somebody you thought could be town, then changed your mind and scum read him before talking with him, is that the first thing you say?
Did tw give any sort of vibes day 2 that he was neighbors with errant?
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yes I was, like painfully obvious town but whateverIn post 3886, Keyser Söze wrote:Gustavo was town.
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this still applies imo. I have been able to make a better case on BV, but my gut is screaming errant. His outrage was very weird and he has been the least helpful player out of the entire lynch pool.In post 3296, Gustavo wrote:Logic says bv today. My heart/gut says it’s errant.
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You didn’t answer why you voted somebody you town read and thought was a Pr right after 2 townies did.In post 3882, Errantparabola wrote:I scumread worst because he was doing scummy things on D2. It seemed to me he was softing pretty blatantly. So he was either a town PR or a scum faking a PR
That was why I was conflicted on worst
I feel like I've said all of this before
if keyser is willing to end the day I'm willing to hammer i think it's pretty implausible its anyone but gustavo
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he also had me as a town read but he managed to lynch me all the while misrepping me so I really don't know who the last scum is.In post 3900, Keyser Söze wrote:Well BV said Errant = town here, so will be interesting to see him lynch Skitter ...
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he wasn't going to replace out though. Yes it was a wasted lynch but it was necessary. He never does anything to help town and he didn't do that here.In post 3903, Keyser Söze wrote:Should have got someone to replace N_M, that was a wasted lynch.
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I don't remember seeing them...In post 3915, Errantparabola wrote:EP: *answers the question*
if you did answer them, cool it doesn't matter for me anymore i'm dead
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no i'm not.In post 3916, Errantparabola wrote:please tell me gustavos just trolling us
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God this misrep. I didn’t tunnel anyone. I voted who I thought fit as scum and the moment I voted you, you immediately took errant out of the equation.In post 3921, BlackVoid wrote:You tunneling me was at least part of the reason I just wanted you flipped today. If you had worked with me and considered Errant, I'd have been more inclined to try to change everyone's mind.
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Knowing if you are or aren’t a Bp is the single most useful info town needs today. Town doesn’t get that info.In post 3921, BlackVoid wrote:There's no scenario in which me getting mislynched is a good outcome for town.
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The fact you are so against it when it absolutely would help town decide to me is basically a scum claim.In post 3928, BlackVoid wrote:Dude, this is the same flawed logic I've dismantled multiple times. Only one of us could have been shot but both of us could be town. The other one would simply be the town that wasn't shot. Why the heck would we flip anyone on that basis?In post 3926, Gustavo wrote:Knowing if you are or aren’t a Bp is the single most useful info town needs today. Town doesn’t get that info.In post 3921, BlackVoid wrote:There's no scenario in which me getting mislynched is a good outcome for town.
If you are actually town, proving your role right now would give town more info.
Guys. Bv is scum
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I’m the easiest person to understand.In post 3936, BlackVoid wrote:Even knowing you're town doesn't help me understand you any better.
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I just don’t see people doing what I see as town behavior and I’ve never really been a big fan of sheeping other people. I’ll try and work on that.In post 4033, stungun0404 wrote:i think you could improve your play by looking for what looks like town firstIn post 4031, Gustavo wrote:I need to seriously readjust what I find scummy but idk how
poe can be very effective, and stop you from tunneling on town. if you’d just followed my townreads, you would have been making more hay, even though you did not seem to want to
keyser and shoshin were both voted by you and my super confident townreads
i had a townlean on mathdino too if you looked back, a town indication on nauci, and a slight townlean on gamma emerald
so thus i do advise looking more for town hints and not scum hints, because then you’ll just get mired in finding scummy things from the players that post the most, and that’s a dangerous arena because the players that post the most are not necessarily the scummiest. lurkier players have a higher tendency of flipping scum from my experience, including this game where ep and momrangal were a bit lurkier overall, but not so much tw.
you really won’t find a ton of “gotcha” moments looking for scum solely and not town, but that’s just my advice. by poe’ing, you can focus more on the content of the players not in your PoE town pool, and notice if sth from them feels off.
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I’ll try and find them.In post 4058, Nauci wrote:Mastina/MHSmith/etc. post some very good threads discussing how to be pro town and scum hunt and what are signs of scumminess and even a great VCA practice somewhere on the site; I think they helped me quite a lot.In post 4031, Gustavo wrote:I need to seriously readjust what I find scummy but idk how