Mini Theme 2155: SIN: This Impurity must be Cleansed!

[BananaCucho]

also porkens is entirely off the table now, oops

I probably won't vote to lynch them today since basically the entire game is blown open rn and need to reread a lot of things, but why entirely off the table?

Like Porkens' scum reads are DD/norwee/catboi

And they were voting Bee

I don't see how a Bell flip completely absolves them

[BananaCucho]

Bell was basically indifferent on porkens/starbuck while barely mentioning jackel. That is probably where we should be looking.

The flip also makes multiple cleric roles a LOT more plausible knowing that it was possible for scum to hand out multiple points of corruption per night. Without those things would be very likely to get overwhelming fast.

Okay, thanks for the explanation. I'll look out for that while looking through Bell's ISO

[BananaCucho]

Oh shit guys

Claim aside, I think Norwee is probably scum

[BananaCucho]

Maybe this is just my paranoia kicking in

But this interaction with the flip is just kinda whack

fair enough. if im shooting for town,

i probably target Bell here.

i dont think starbuck should be allowed to be on EOD wagons.

~nahdia

Tbh, i don’t even think Androgybee needs to suicide at this point. I’m fine with them living until we’ve played hangman with Porkens.

Tbh, i don’t even think Androgybee needs to suicide at this point. I’m fine with them living until we’ve played hangman with Porkens.

No its needed 110% they cant live after that claim

Their catchup has been town as fuck. Is an unnecesarry death that limits town votes in the game further just to ease your concience really worth it?

Scum doesn’t make this kinda suicide gambit, they just don’t.

I mean, i won’t cry if they suicide right now. But to me it’s unnecesarry when obvscum Porkens is still alive.

[BananaCucho]

I don't know. It seems... too obvious maybe?

I still don't wanna vote to lynch Norwee today. I'll keep this on the back burner for later. Let's let them use their cleric role if they are town

[BananaCucho]

Oh shit guys

Claim aside, I think Norwee is probably scum

Why tho?
Like ignoring Porkens's: ("ur tone so scummy") read, i'd really like it if i could see some decent explanation from you at least of what kind of mastermind plot i'm scheming here.

Yeah, if you're scum the attempted veto of Bee's suicide once you saw who they would target would make sense

I don't want to live in this timeline. But that's something I can't ignore forever

I'll table it for today, continue looking through day 1 Bell, this just kinda popped into my mind as I was doing it

[BananaCucho]

I don't know. It seems... too obvious maybe?

I still don't wanna vote to lynch Norwee today. I'll keep this on the back burner for later. Let's let them use their cleric role if they are town

Durrrrrrr I’m going to remember this post tho.

Yes. This is 110% going to be on my mind for the rest of the game

[BananaCucho]

I'm not going to say that's not something i totally wouldn't do as scum there though. So seeing that as a plausible narrative makes sense.

2 KPN. If there are 3 mafia + 1 neutral, if you're scum and porkens is town, mislynching Porkens there and sparing Bee is pretty destructive to town, then you guys can just night kill Bell

Ughhhhhh I hate this timeline if you are scum I really don't want that to be the case </3

[BananaCucho]

I'm not going to say that's not something i totally wouldn't do as scum there though. So seeing that as a plausible narrative makes sense.

2 KPN. If there are 3 mafia + 1 neutral, if you're scum and porkens is town, mislynching Porkens there and sparing Bee is pretty destructive to town, then you guys can just night kill Bell

Ughhhhhh I hate this timeline if you are scum I really don't want that to be the case </3

Night kill Bee*

[BananaCucho]

Damnit I am not going to get any work done today :p

[BananaCucho]

I'm not going to say that's not something i totally wouldn't do as scum there though. So seeing that as a plausible narrative makes sense.

2 KPN. If there are 3 mafia + 1 neutral, if you're scum and porkens is town, mislynching Porkens there and sparing Bee is pretty destructive to town, then you guys can just night kill Bell

Ughhhhhh I hate this timeline if you are scum I really don't want that to be the case </3

Nightkill bell?

Yes, mafia would night kill one of their own

Obvious typo

[BananaCucho]

Not denying it looks very awkward but given flipped flavor it seems like cleric would be an odd role for scum to have ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yes which is mainly why I am willing to put off Norwee for now. He claimed cleric before Redtea. So the is Norwee is scum, Redtea likely is too, and they're likely lying together, that or Norwee got REALLY lucky

Tin foil hat time - on my home site sometimes people give mafia a role that can investigate a player's exact role. Norwee could be that? And have found Redtea's exact role

Idk, we'll talk about it later I guess. Bigger fish to fry

[BananaCucho]

Not necessarily. If it were so obvious you wouldn’t have felt the burning need to correct it

I self correct all the time

If you wanna say something, spit it out, I'd like to see how you think that is a slip of some sorts. Enlighten me.

[BananaCucho]

Cleric

- Norwee (Decrease corruption by 1)

Cleric

- redtea (Decrease corruption by 1)

E.H.

- Banana (Self-harm 1 corruption to increase day time by 24 hours, Can't place votes at 0 corruption.)
Jackel -

VT

Dumb & Dumber-

VT

Porkens-

Beast master

(self-harm, 1 corruption increase to target another player, sacrifice pet and lose target ability to survive if corruption is 3 or greater)
Catboi-

VT

Starbuck -

Self-harm VT

(

KIA

) NDMath -

VT

(

KIA

) S_S -

Saintess

(Mod confirmed role, Jack of all trades)
(

KIA

) Joey_ -

VT

(

KIA

) Bell -

Demon of Gluttony

(

KIA

) androgybee -

Martyr

(Self-destructing purification role thing...?)

I mean. I am willing to believe there are 3 roles that lower corruption given there are 4 self-harm claims (one confirmed - Saintess), even though they kinda act like mini vigs

Plus we know that scum can both give out corruption now in addition to night kill

Also give that they do act like mini vigs, pretty sure I get to survive longer now lol, there's no way Norwee/Redtea both survive til endgame unless scum

really

think they can mislynch them

[BananaCucho]

I'm not saying that one extra kill means there's a 3p, but we're missing some details that would explain his death

My working theory rn is: fruit + using his investigative ability + 3rd unknown corruption point, causing him to die

- Dumber

If we have 2 clerics, there has to be a 3p I think. Or town is pretty stacked

[BananaCucho]

Though maybe 3p can't night kill, but rather give out corruption?

[BananaCucho]

Could you have self harmed yesterday to give yourself a vote?

My self harm extends the day 24 hours

Unless you believe I am lying of course

[BananaCucho]

@Banana - You received notice of receiving fruit from the moderator, rather than just a corruption increase, correct?

2 separate notifications. 1 was fruit received, 2nd was corruption increase, yeah

[BananaCucho]

Could you have self harmed yesterday to give yourself a vote?

Yes they could have.

Didn’t miss where they explained why they didn’t do that

I did explain it. I missed it day 1 lol. My role card is literally an encyclopedia

[BananaCucho]

Did i*

Yep. They just didn't read their role properly apparently.

After I die you'll see, its like part of another section instead of its own thing

[BananaCucho]

I mean, when I tried to ask questions, I get told to shove it up my ass so idk

When has this happened?

[BananaCucho]

I think it was referring to me not bothering with their questions to me a while back.

@Jackel

There are a lot of other players in the game, talk to me, help me figure out what's going on here. The game is blown wide open, pretty much anyone is on the table for lynch today with a mafia flip

Town should be ecstatic, so if you are town please work with us here, because from the surface it looks like you're just rolling over in defeat

[BananaCucho]

One of Bell's last actions was to jump off of Porkens (when they were at 4 votes) onto Starbuck (who had 1). We were getting pretty close to EOD

Note that during this DD also "holds up the wagon" on Porkens as Norwee puts it, but we don't have a flip yet on Porkens/DD so I'm just looking at Bell rn

Spoiler: Bell/Porkens

VC 2.3

Porkens (3): catboi, Bell, redtea
androgybee (2): Porkens, NorwegianboyEE
Starbuck (1): Dumb and Dumber
NorwegianboyEE (1): Jackel98

Not Voting (3): androgybee, BananaCucho, Starbuck

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-08-11 21:00:00)

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to eliminate

I don't find the doubled cleric claim to be inherently scummy, imo; I think they can both be town

I think that androgybee has managed to claim in just about the scummiest way possible but gun-to-head I'd say they're probably town? But they certainly aren't helping things

I think it's possible that people got corrupted last night but didn't know it - iirc the OP says that people will only be alerted to a *net* corruption change. IE if their corruption gains and losses cancel each other out, they won't be alerted. like a +1 corruption and -1 corruption won't be announced since there's no net change.

So I don't think it's possible to fully track all of the corruption getting passed about.

Nothing about this massclaim has made me want to vote outside of porkens/Star

- Dumber

androgybee (2): Porkens, NorwegianboyEE

EWWW, i'm on the same wagon as Porkens.
VOTE: Porkens

Just Porkens, Catboi and Starbuck left

So far my opinion hasn't really changed from voting one of Starbuck/Porkens today, not really

Tbh, I'm leaning more toward Starbuck than Porkens rn, because I can at least point towards stuff that I find unique in porken's post that could come from town.

VOTE: Starbuck

After that Bell doesn't post much up to their death, and then things become about Bee. Idk, I'm more inclined to think if we had to choose between Starbuck/Porkens I'd still pick Porkens

[BananaCucho]

I am ecstatic. I am also at work.

Great, we have 4 days, lets smash some scum! When you get the chance, can you let me know what your reads are, if anything has changed since the Bell flip?

[BananaCucho]

Looking through Jackel's ISO, she's only voted Norwee (3 times) and myself (once) this game O.o

[BananaCucho]

Starbuck since you're here, can you talk to me about Bell's flip? Does it change anything in your reads today? I wasn't really sure who you scum read before, I remember you were voting Bee and then said you were gonna dive into Porkens a bit

[BananaCucho]

Idk. Looking through Bell day 2 again, they rally votes for Porkens early. And then jump off near EOD in favor of Starbuck, as the question becomes between Bee/Porkens instead of Starbuck/Porkens

People I don't wanna lynch today: Starbuck, Norwee, Redtea, Catboi

People in POE: DD, Jackel, Porkens

[BananaCucho]

Idk. Looking through Bell day 2 again, they rally votes for Porkens early. And then jump off near EOD in favor of Starbuck, as the question becomes between Bee/Porkens instead of Starbuck/Porkens

Couldn’t that just be for some other lamisty reason tho?
Although i’m pretty sure Bell entertained me!scum with Porkens for a short while before seemingly scumreading Porkens more. I’ll think about it.

Lamisty?

[BananaCucho]

Idk. Looking through Bell day 2 again, they rally votes for Porkens early. And then jump off near EOD in favor of Starbuck, as the question becomes between Bee/Porkens instead of Starbuck/Porkens

Couldn’t that just be for some other lamisty reason tho?
Although i’m pretty sure Bell entertained me!scum with Porkens for a short while before seemingly scumreading Porkens more. I’ll think about it.

Lamisty?

Yeah, i sometimes distance from the main wagon on town as scum to look good when they flip town.

I mean that could be the case, but tbh it looks bad when they were spamming "Vote porkens vote porkens" all day, just to jump off at the end

It makes more sense fmpov as them trying to bus early then save late than push early then try to get cred by jumping off late

I'll reevaluate DD in a bit, gonna get some lunch right now

[BananaCucho]

Lamisty?

"Look At Me I'm So Townie"-y

Man your guy's lexicon is so awesome I want to steal all of these

[BananaCucho]

catch up 1. The bar for Norwee town is so low that he jumped into it merely by playing the game.

townish: Norwe - Joey

I'm wary of having been buddied based on this. And if i were to guess who the second one would be in that case, i'd say D/D over Catboi. Catboi's approach on my slot from scum to townreading me was much more natural than D/D just stating he TR me here:

I also have townpings on NorwegianBoy

So, something that I've been thinking about

DD was the one who originally called for mass claim today, right? Bell also backed the mass claim iirc. If DD/Bell is a team, I'm wondering why they wanted to mass claim so badly? If DD/Bell is a team, why aren't they content to let today end in a elimination of Starbuck or Porkens?

Which do you think is more likely? (Assuming DD+Bell scum universe) They were 3p hunting with the mass claim as they are afraid of cross kill, or they are trying to save one of Starbuck/Porkens?

[BananaCucho]

I really should put my phone away while I eat lol

[BananaCucho]

Sigh

[BananaCucho]

Porkens will you compromise on anyone other than Norwee today

[BananaCucho]

Can you engage with us please. Show us some sort of thought evolution post Bell flip. Please

[BananaCucho]

Okay. Talk to me about DD as they are now in my POE

[BananaCucho]

@Jackelgator, when you are back can you answer me a question please? Could you explain your vote on me? I shrugged if off earlier, but when I was going through your ISO I found these posts:

Spoiler: Jackelgator

I'm also concerned that Jackal jumped aboard that because I try to think the best of folks when there are longer than usual absences, which is why I stood up for her when folks went after her for the same thing yesterday. I also think androgybee's late entrance to Day 2 and shade of me (when they haven't even tried to be around) is hypocritical.

For the record, I don't think you're scum; I was just confused by Porkens thinking I had a TR on you. You're mostly null? I generally agree with your reads, and you don't mesh well with my top SRs. I just agreed that lurking can be a good strategy for scum to fly under the radar.

I can't remember who said it day 1, but eventually we're just gonna have to get some courage to vote a less active player, unless you want to vote an active player. Which imo is a bad idea right now because literally all scum has to do this game is target the rest of the active players at night and lurk the game into a victory, because after finding out Bell is a fruit vendor I'm not voting them and

I highly doubt that both DD+Norwee are scum

Why? Is it more that you townread them independently (so you think it's statistically unlikely that both would flip town), or that you have a specific reason for you thinking that those two wouldn't be scum together?\

@Bell

Give me fruit again tonight. If I die (very likely) I take the corruption with me.

That really doesn't sound like a good idea. Then scum can just kill someone else, since you'd be dead anyways.

OK so I really thought I sent the above at like 12:44 but apparently I didn't.

It's starting to feel really scummy how people like Jackel and Starbuck are scumread for bad content/bad posts yet they keep framing it as if they're being pushed for "inactivity" (even though that is also a point against them) and trying to vote active players.

Do you think only inactive players should be pushed right now? Also, that's not my main reason for SRing you. It's that I can't find any substance beyond the inactivity behind your reads, and you haven't responded once when I asked for some.

Jackel, did you end up looking into Joey's townreads?

Not really, tbh? I tried to work it out, but it was just a mass of WIFOM. Like, I scumread NEE. I can build a narrative in my head for why NEE would kill Joey (lock in Joey's TR on him, throw suspicion on his SRs), but that's really just confirmation bias.

And I only have 1 corruption rn, if I get a 2nd corruption I won't die. I was able to cancel my self harm action with Dunn.

I mean, it'd probably be better for a generally scumread person to take it, especially one who doesn't have any corruption yet, imo?

UNVOTE: NEE
I'm gonna do it
VOTE: BananaCucho

From what I can see, you seemed to show concern for me taking the fruit from Bell again, assuming that I would die, and that that would be a bad thing. So I just need to clear up this point, thanks

I think I should ISO myself and see what questions I've asked people that they haven't answered -_- I'm sure there's 100+ for Porkens alone

[BananaCucho]

I re-read D+D's ISO and don't have anything concrete to come back with, I had been avoiding fully writing them off as town. Can't point to anything they've said that's bad, no real strong towntells, but there's some okayish attempts at evaluating and a little bit of flip-flopping on bell's claim I actually like because it feels like real evaluation. Gun to head I'd probably just guess they're town. Wouldn't vote them before porkens or jackel but would put them below the strong townreads.

A thing that's bothersome about porkens's claim

that no one has brought

up is how he has an ability that raises his corruption but apparently had no problem hammering on day 1, it doesn't really seem to hold that he'd be so cavalier about corruption when it potentially reduces the amount of times he could use his ability.

I'm pretty sure I brought that up

Nothing from Porkens addressing it of course

[BananaCucho]

Even if Porkens is town their complete lack of cooperation would not.be missed

The slot is probs scum tho I'm willing to bank on it. Way past done with them

[BananaCucho]

And an investigative role that self harms with corruption (even if it is a higher threshold) choosing to hammer there like that at the end with that many hours left? I don't buy that either

Porkens never will address this no matter how many times we ask

[BananaCucho]

I've literally done this strategy as scum when I've felt the writing on the wall, and knew I was going down

Completely shut down as to not give any free info to town

VOTE: Prokens

[BananaCucho]

I don't see how Starbuck elimination is superior to a Porkens elimination

[BananaCucho]

I'd go there too, happily

But I also want to understand why people are backing off of star and why she no longer seems to be in the elim-pool

- Dumber

Their interactions with Bell, as Catboi said

Look through the posts I made after Bells flip

[BananaCucho]

Mostly cuz he placed the E-2 vote on Star?
I don't find that to be clearing

Otherwise I'm not sure what interactions you're referring to

- Dumber

Bell jumped off of E-2 Porkens to Star near EOD as well

[BananaCucho]

Heheheh

[BananaCucho]

Can you elaborate on some bits there? How is the reaction textbook scum? What do you dislike about their vote record?

[BananaCucho]

Can you elaborate on some bits there? How is the reaction textbook scum? What do you dislike about their vote record?

Their reaction seemed very contrived to me. Like they were hiding their real reaction and trying to have a “natural town like reaction”

Their votes have been all over the place with very little substantive justifications.

Catboi is actually scummier today, the posts he makes are fake-speculative and There are some real contradictions.

VOTE: catboi

What contradictions?

[BananaCucho]

Moral flexability? Expand on that, because I don't know what you mean. I don't see contradictions in those posts regarding corruption?

[BananaCucho]

VOTE: porkens

- dumber

Yep and the partner. Ok game solved everybody we can all go home now.

So Norwee is town now?

I also voted you, am I also their partner?

[BananaCucho]

Is sarcasm not your native language or what?

You actually scumread DD though

How is it sarcastic if you actually believe it?

[BananaCucho]

VOTE: Starbuck

E-2 I think.

This loosely makes me think not-partners

Meh

VOTE: porkens for now until i can do a deeper dive

- dumber

VOTE: star

Actually nm

@DD can you walk me through your thought process here? What made you change your mind?

[BananaCucho]

You are just not conversing in good faith.

Still, I don’t think banana is scum. No think banana is an immaculate radiant and benign force for good in the universe, for

sure[/].

I “110%” have called scum between norwee\dumb\catboi

I was dead right on bell and I’m right here again.

Not conversing in good faith? Really? I'm asking you to explain things, like expand on catbois "moral flexability" as I don't understand what you're trying to say, and you're just throwing in sarcastic and snarky remarks the whole way

[BananaCucho]

And fwiw Porkens, you keep bringing up that you were "right about Bell"

But your scumreads iirc have been DD/Norwee/Catboi for pretty much forever. Looking through your iso, I do see that you have questioned Bell repeatedly. Including from the very start, but never really pushed for them to be eliminated

You vote Norwee, Catboi, and Bee. But you never voted Bell, not even once

Why are you trying to claim some sort of credit post Bell flip? If anything, your lack of pushing them, scum reading them, or interacting with them makes that early "catch/call" that you had look like a TMI, it never crossed my mind that scum may have higher corruption and were wanting to lower it until I actually saw Bell flip. And I've put a lot of thought into this game.

Spoiler: Porkens posts

I apologize for my lack of engagement thus far. When I repped into the game things were just fine, but then my life quickly spun out of control. You can look at my recently completed games if you want to see a big part of it, but there were RL issues as well. My VLA was due to mental health and I needed to self-care ASAP. I had to disengage emotionally for a while because things were getting really dark. I'm in a better space now.

Joey/

Norwee

/? Seems the likeliest team from my read through. They are very much acting in coordination. The third might be

DD

or even Math, which would explain the recent misdirection from Joey.

Jackel seems like flip bait to me.

Redtea, SS, Starbuck, catboi, Andro, and Rat/Bell all feel town to me.

I think banana is probably my strongest townread though.

VOTE: math

There is absolutely no way I’m wrong 3/3 on my reads at EOD yesterday. You don’t add up and you are freaking the fuck out.

I don’t understand the obsession with starbuck. Her catchups have seemed fine to me. I don’t really get scum vibes from bee either.

My pool is

norwee/catboi/DD

. Don’t even need a dart.

Horseshitni don’t believe you

VOTE: androger

[BananaCucho]

And that does bring up another question in my head now. Once Bee reveals that they can lower someone's corruption to 0, who continues to push for Bee elimination? I threw out an ultimatum there myself of "they suicide or we eliminate them". But who pushed for Bee's outright elimination? Because fear of realizing "oh shit, this person can kill one of us" is something we should look at now that Bell has flipped

I'm going to explore that now

[BananaCucho]

I already addressed this question twice I think. I called bell/rat for the corruption thing in my very first post; it was the most notable thinning the game, and you know what happened right after that? DUMB VOTED ME.

Yes, you called that. Congrats. But you never followed up on it, so why continue to put that on as a badge of honor somehow? I'm not going to townread you for it.

[BananaCucho]

If you squint reel hard you can see anything you want to see.

Cool, more snarky comments in response to trying to solve things. Thanks for that. I guess I should just tunnel instead and spam relentlessly who I want eliminated instead

[BananaCucho]

BTW Porkens are you ever going to tell us why you chose to track Redtea, a town read of yours? Over one of your scum reads?

[BananaCucho]

(*｀Ω´*) Hot take: Porkens is telling the truth about his role, it's just not town aligned. Track on redtea doesn't make sense from a town POV aligning with his opinions from the previous day but

does make sense from a scum rolecop POV.

（=´∇｀=）I think it's not implausible for there to be duplicate versions of roles in the game, and found the way redtea claimed to be fairly believable.

( ^..^)ﾉ I claim vanilla town.

~(=^┬ ┬^) The claims are confirming my fear, which is that the second kill assuredly did not come from town. Given this perspective, I'm actually much more skeptical of androbee's claim now than before. Giving someone corruption immunity seems implausibly strong. I think it needs to be resolved today because otherwise on later days they'll have the excuse that suiciding would cause town to lose. I think one of those two should be the vote today.

VOTE: androgybee

If we flip Porkens and he's scum and has a scum rolecop ability, then Norwee is likely scum and they bussed each other all game lol

[BananaCucho]

Literally the only thing I want is for redtea to catch up and coordinate some night actions, at this point porkens is just actively spouting nonsense to muck things up

Yeah I had doubts today that Porkens is just a hard headed misguided town, but I'm ready to flip him

[BananaCucho]

beeboy agrees with me that starbuck is scum. their catchups have been uninspiring and frankly, easy. they vote us, then unvote after our claim and say they'll re-evaluate (they dont), then accuse us of being convenient and revote when a wagon starts to form. didnt like them admitting theyre speculating on banana being a 3p, that feels like scum-mindset since town is more concerned with finding scum.

D&D still a townlean, but /shrug. havent really paid close attention there since d1
porkens claim is a little weird and seems to not fit into the rest of the setup. how many visiting roles have been claimed? at any rate, it should be tested: porkens should target a known visiting role tonight and confirm their target before that player claims tomorrow.

i havent liked jackel today either. it seems like they're just trying to be way outside the consensus in order to appear like "wrong town" but ultimately it just reads as their reads are unlikely to be real.

catboi and reatea, no idea lol.

~nahdia

FYI if anyone is looking for something to talk about. We told Bee we'd evaluate their reads post flip

[BananaCucho]

If we flip Porkens and he's scum and has a scum rolecop ability, then Norwee is likely scum and they bussed each other all game lol

...What?

Maybe I should explain lol

If Porken's role card says that they learn the role of whoever they visit, then they likely learned Redtea was "a Cleric" and passed that info to you

Would fit some other things that have been pinging me

Its kinda a tin foil hat thing. It's more likely we eliminate Porkens and they flip something like "Demon of Greed - Collect 8 corruption to do x, y, z" or something, idk

(I will be very pleased if the mafia team is 7 deadly sins themed tbh after seeing Bell flip as Gluttony)

[BananaCucho]

Not 100% sure i'd be convinced even with that though. I'm townreading Catboi hard. D/D a bit less, but still not enough to consider voting him over many other slots right now.

Yeah it would be super hard for me to vote Catboi ever at this point

Still a lotta game left, but I don't see it happening

[BananaCucho]

So we're voting Porky, right? Good.

-Dumbass

Yeah, let's let Redtea/Norwee coordinate as Catboi said

It would also be nice for Starbuck/Jackel to check in as well

Then Porky dies, I don't see any way around it tbh

[BananaCucho]

Moral relativism of corruption is that you scumread who you want based on fact A and townread who you want based on the same fact A catboi. You are twisting reality to support your desired outcome.

I think I understand what you're trying to say, but I don't think its correct. Catboi agreed with me that your

claim

specifically doesn't align with your hammer. This is comparing apples and oranges to what he said about Jackel

[BananaCucho]

Also Porkens for the 500th time

Why did you target Redtea

[BananaCucho]

You’ve been so nasty this whole game I didn’t know you were such a nasty person.

Please ignore Norwee and engage with me

[BananaCucho]

I had some self doubt about my reads going into night 1 and took a stab in another direction.

Does not compute

@Everyone else does this seem too obvious? Someone talk me out of thinking this is TWTBW. Porkens expressing self doubt post Math flip, but day 2 expresses such certainty in their reads

But the whole thing just feels... off still

Porkens. You came in today with absolutely no reads or valuable comments and all you said is: "this is a setup guys! ;_;"
If you’re not scum, who is?

Right now I’m leaning you. I’m leaning jackel as flipbait but I really don’t like your “shade pork but CW someone else” and your reactions look scripted.

The only reason Joey thought you were town was your saintass crumb, I’m pretty sure.

I was wrong about Joey and math but statistically I have to be right about you, don’t you think?

VOTE: norwee

There is absolutely no way I’m wrong 3/3 on my reads at EOD yesterday. You don’t add up and you are freaking the fuck out.

[BananaCucho]

And for someone who is claiming "self doubt" there has been 0 evolution of their reads since day 1 til now, even with what, 5 flips?

[BananaCucho]

He's pushing two of the towniest players in the game (cat, nor), and his pushes are so far removed from the reality of the gamestate that i'm having a hard time seeing it come from a town perspective

I am not a slave to the gamestate!

Gamestate is for wieners

Jackel please answer this

@Jackelgator, when you are back can you answer me a question please? Could you explain your vote on me? I shrugged if off earlier, but when I was going through your ISO I found these posts:

Spoiler: Jackelgator

I'm also concerned that Jackal jumped aboard that because I try to think the best of folks when there are longer than usual absences, which is why I stood up for her when folks went after her for the same thing yesterday. I also think androgybee's late entrance to Day 2 and shade of me (when they haven't even tried to be around) is hypocritical.

For the record, I don't think you're scum; I was just confused by Porkens thinking I had a TR on you. You're mostly null? I generally agree with your reads, and you don't mesh well with my top SRs. I just agreed that lurking can be a good strategy for scum to fly under the radar.

I can't remember who said it day 1, but eventually we're just gonna have to get some courage to vote a less active player, unless you want to vote an active player. Which imo is a bad idea right now because literally all scum has to do this game is target the rest of the active players at night and lurk the game into a victory, because after finding out Bell is a fruit vendor I'm not voting them and

I highly doubt that both DD+Norwee are scum

Why? Is it more that you townread them independently (so you think it's statistically unlikely that both would flip town), or that you have a specific reason for you thinking that those two wouldn't be scum together?\

@Bell

Give me fruit again tonight. If I die (very likely) I take the corruption with me.

That really doesn't sound like a good idea. Then scum can just kill someone else, since you'd be dead anyways.

OK so I really thought I sent the above at like 12:44 but apparently I didn't.

It's starting to feel really scummy how people like Jackel and Starbuck are scumread for bad content/bad posts yet they keep framing it as if they're being pushed for "inactivity" (even though that is also a point against them) and trying to vote active players.

Do you think only inactive players should be pushed right now? Also, that's not my main reason for SRing you. It's that I can't find any substance beyond the inactivity behind your reads, and you haven't responded once when I asked for some.

Jackel, did you end up looking into Joey's townreads?

Not really, tbh? I tried to work it out, but it was just a mass of WIFOM. Like, I scumread NEE. I can build a narrative in my head for why NEE would kill Joey (lock in Joey's TR on him, throw suspicion on his SRs), but that's really just confirmation bias.

And I only have 1 corruption rn, if I get a 2nd corruption I won't die. I was able to cancel my self harm action with Dunn.

I mean, it'd probably be better for a generally scumread person to take it, especially one who doesn't have any corruption yet, imo?

UNVOTE: NEE
I'm gonna do it
VOTE: BananaCucho

From what I can see, you seemed to show concern for me taking the fruit from Bell again, assuming that I would die, and that that would be a bad thing. So I just need to clear up this point, thanks

I think I should ISO myself and see what questions I've asked people that they haven't answered -_- I'm sure there's 100+ for Porkens alone

[BananaCucho]

Jackel can you give me a full reads list? Or POE pool at least? You've got myself and Norwee in there. Who else? Who do you think could be aligned with Bell?

[BananaCucho]

You're still on my radar, though. I find it really weird that you didn't read your role all the way through, considering it seems pretty neat, and asking for corruption while you already have one corruption and have a PR power that gives corruption to yourself seems suspicious imo.

That's actually a valid point. And i'm considering the possibility if Porkens flips town that me and Redtea should target Banana. After all, he can just give himself corruption to place votes again. (According to Banana's own description of their role)

I'm okay with this.

[BananaCucho]

You guys will see me revert to a stump (assuming I don't get fed 2+ corruption)

Then I'll extend the day 24 hours and be able to vote again

[BananaCucho]

Either Banana could flip scum (kinda doubt it) or we confirm them town. Win/win.

You would confirm me as not having the "Sin" trait

I could still be 3p if they dont have that trait

Just wanna point that out before someone else does lol

[BananaCucho]

Also, as long as I don't die, it'll confirm you guys can remove corruption

If only if only there was a way to prevent myself dying tonight

[BananaCucho]

RIP Jackelgator meme btw

Baa baa JackelSheep have you any wool

[BananaCucho]

If Porkens flip scum i think we should just target one of Jackel/Starbuck tho.

I had a thought about Starbucks claim - if they are scum, they may be telling some truth about one aspect of their role - specifically if they aren't on the wagon at EOD they gain corruption. Could be the opposite, that they actually lose corruption, or could be that by being on the wagon gains them corruption

I just had a thought that their claim actually could make sense as a survivor type 3p role, but 3p likely has a night kill so I doubt it a bit

Anyway, if we are going for a vig shot to clear/kill someone, it makes more sense to target Jackel IMO. As long as scum doesn't have a way to pile 2 corruption onto them, they should either be cleared or die (assuming Porkens flips scum so you target them instead of me), and even if scum has a way to throw that much corruption at someone, other people don't receive corruption instead and we can fish that out

[BananaCucho]

Post 192 is casting doubts on people's TR's on Radical Rat, which seem less partner equity unless they have been planning to buss each other from the start.

Sure. But I asked Porkens why they didn't follow up on that or actually scum read Bell

Porkens never puts Bells in their scum reads or POE pool or votes them

Just you/DD/Catboi, and votes Bee

[BananaCucho]

So a callout that early when nobody (except scum) knows that scum actually want corruption (instead of possibly having a higher threshold) feels TMI to me, and also no follow up or scum read, even townreading Bell before day end

I reward no.townpoints for it

[BananaCucho]

@Banana
Who do you think would be a likely teammate to scum!Porkens and scum!D/D respectively?

Not sure. I don't really like doing pre-flip associations tbh, you end up with situations such as Porkens thinking you/Joey are a team, then a continued death tunnel on you for 2 weeks

I'm more interested in who could be teammates with Bell

Btw I'm willing to listen to any arguments considering DD. I did say I wanted to go ISO them, but I keep getting distracted with other things that come to thought lol

[BananaCucho]

lmao and what a lucky shot. Bell was in prime position to waltz into the end

Who brought up that Bell basically avoided Jackel?

[BananaCucho]

VOTE: Jackel98
For the sake of a counterwagon.

I'm good with this

You must know however, that my tin foil hat stuff is buzzing like crazy right now lmao

[BananaCucho]

Post 192 is casting doubts on people's TR's on Radical Rat, which seem less partner equity unless they have been planning to buss each other from the start.

I re-read day 1 and i'm not sure i wanna wagon porkens anymore.
:/

See I saw the same things as you, the problem is there was no progress on that anywhere and he seemed to just drop it when people were showing no interest in Bell and now he's standing up beating his chest trying to take credit for it. It's very unnatural.

LAMIST!

[BananaCucho]

Lol

[BananaCucho]

Accurate

[BananaCucho]

Never voting jackel in a million years that’s most flipbait I’ve seen in a decade.

Flipbait y?

That's their go to argument against anyone that they don't agree on. Pretty sure they said it at least 5 times about Jackel at least

[BananaCucho]

Its simple

Porkens is scum

OR

Porkens just isn't trying/doesn't care. They've shown 0 reevaluation on anything

[BananaCucho]

Le sigh

[BananaCucho]

I could be convinced to vote JackelSheep instead

If that's what you want, talk to me

[BananaCucho]

o7 sounds good corruptionboi

[BananaCucho]

Do we have anything else we need to discuss? I think Im good with a hammer here tbh

[BananaCucho]

Hang on before the hammer please. How much time do we have?

We have 2+ days, sure I will wait for you again Starbuck

UNVOTE:

[BananaCucho]

Tbh this game has been one of the tamest/friendliest games I've ever played

I can see why certain people have been called out for abrasiveness, but the overall tone has been extremely light

[BananaCucho]

2 days 14 hours

[BananaCucho]

Porkens: *Does nothing except tunnel the same read for an eternity. Never explaining much other than that he "feels" this is scum*

= is scumread by many players.

Porkens: *Shocked Pikachu face*

Jackel please answer this

@Jackelgator, when you are back can you answer me a question please? Could you explain your vote on me? I shrugged if off earlier, but when I was going through your ISO I found these posts:

Spoiler: Jackelgator

I'm also concerned that Jackal jumped aboard that because I try to think the best of folks when there are longer than usual absences, which is why I stood up for her when folks went after her for the same thing yesterday. I also think androgybee's late entrance to Day 2 and shade of me (when they haven't even tried to be around) is hypocritical.

For the record, I don't think you're scum; I was just confused by Porkens thinking I had a TR on you. You're mostly null? I generally agree with your reads, and you don't mesh well with my top SRs. I just agreed that lurking can be a good strategy for scum to fly under the radar.

I can't remember who said it day 1, but eventually we're just gonna have to get some courage to vote a less active player, unless you want to vote an active player. Which imo is a bad idea right now because literally all scum has to do this game is target the rest of the active players at night and lurk the game into a victory, because after finding out Bell is a fruit vendor I'm not voting them and

I highly doubt that both DD+Norwee are scum

Why? Is it more that you townread them independently (so you think it's statistically unlikely that both would flip town), or that you have a specific reason for you thinking that those two wouldn't be scum together?\

@Bell

Give me fruit again tonight. If I die (very likely) I take the corruption with me.

That really doesn't sound like a good idea. Then scum can just kill someone else, since you'd be dead anyways.

OK so I really thought I sent the above at like 12:44 but apparently I didn't.

It's starting to feel really scummy how people like Jackel and Starbuck are scumread for bad content/bad posts yet they keep framing it as if they're being pushed for "inactivity" (even though that is also a point against them) and trying to vote active players.

Do you think only inactive players should be pushed right now? Also, that's not my main reason for SRing you. It's that I can't find any substance beyond the inactivity behind your reads, and you haven't responded once when I asked for some.

Jackel, did you end up looking into Joey's townreads?

Not really, tbh? I tried to work it out, but it was just a mass of WIFOM. Like, I scumread NEE. I can build a narrative in my head for why NEE would kill Joey (lock in Joey's TR on him, throw suspicion on his SRs), but that's really just confirmation bias.

And I only have 1 corruption rn, if I get a 2nd corruption I won't die. I was able to cancel my self harm action with Dunn.

I mean, it'd probably be better for a generally scumread person to take it, especially one who doesn't have any corruption yet, imo?

UNVOTE: NEE
I'm gonna do it
VOTE: BananaCucho

From what I can see, you seemed to show concern for me taking the fruit from Bell again, assuming that I would die, and that that would be a bad thing. So I just need to clear up this point, thanks

I think I should ISO myself and see what questions I've asked people that they haven't answered -_- I'm sure there's 100+ for Porkens alone

Fine. In the first quote, I was saying that, assuming you were dying anyways, it would be a bad strategy. I also thought you had used your ability and had two corruption, not one, so the one fruit would kill you. I thought scum would just get a free kill.

In the second quote, I think it's pretty obvious that I was suggesting that I get the fruit. Since we've claimed, I can say that I am a VT, so I don't have as much utility besides being a corruption sponge, tbh. Granted, having seen how the scums' corruption works, this looks sus in retrospect.

The third quote was shortly after I'd seen Norwee's claim and decided you might be better statistically. I'd had suspicions you were a 3p, and the cleric claim lessened my suspicions of him in the moment. However, the Bell flip and the showing of how his corruption worked, plus his consume corruption ability, was enough to tip it back to NEE. You're still on my radar, though. I find it really weird that you didn't read your role all the way through, considering it seems pretty neat, and asking for corruption while you already have one corruption

and

have a PR power that gives corruption to yourself seems suspicious imo.

Jackel, why are you voting Norwee over Redtea? I've seen both you and Redtea ask about "safeclaims" but I finally google'd that - from the mafiascum wiki it seems that safeclaims aren't cc'd by town. So if its a safeclaim, it's one that both Redtea+Norwee are taking advantage of. Plus Redtea claimed after Norwee did, so logically shouldn't your vote be on Redtea?

I don't scum read your logic for this post, I think its very good just the vote is in the wrong place

Finally, as far as your concerns about me asking for corruption, that's fair - however 1st, I have an ability that I can use multiple times a day, and it extends the day, to receive corruption. If I was team demon and simply wanted corruption and didn't die from it, I would have used it multiple times by now.

Lastly, I ask your patience, for after I (likely) die, it will make sense. And if I don't die... trust me it will eventually make sense lol

Let's work together if you're town shall we?

@Starbuck let's see what you pull from DD

[BananaCucho]

I thought I said this before the quote, but I guess I forgot to:

"Okay, I went back and reread this post by Jackel, and I'm against her elimination today again. In fact, I think that Norwee/Redtea should target someone else if Porkens flips scum, but not sure who that is yet" - Banana

[BananaCucho]

Btw none of this changes about flipping Porkens today imo

Their constant defense of Jackel is probably just whiteknighting, I can see Porkens tryna pocket Jackel

[BananaCucho]

"Okay, I went back and reread this post by Jackel, and I'm against her elimination today again. In fact, I think that Norwee/Redtea should target someone else if Porkens flips scum, but not sure who that is yet" - Banana

DD then?

I think that's fair

[BananaCucho]

Yeah, so I'm good with Porkens.

I'd like to be on the wagon and avoid Corruption. I'm currently at 0, so 1 isn't going to hurt if I have to hammer.

I’m aNull but you are “good with it”?

Please turn on your brain, HELLO?! The scum are screaming out loud.

VOTE: notwee this is correct.

If you are voting a Cleric claim, why Norwee over Redtea? Please world build for me. Same with Jackel. How is Norwee scum and Redtea town?

[BananaCucho]

I mean claims are an important part of the puzzle

A big reason why Jackel voted me was due to my claim, disregarding my play

And you Porkens voted Bee when they claimed IC, saying it didn't fit, even tho you had no scum read on them whatsoever

VOTE: Porkens

Whatever.

[BananaCucho]

Something something policy lunch

[BananaCucho]

E-1 btw. I think

[BananaCucho]

Wait, if Starbuck hammers yeah, then either they get 1 corruption for hammering a town or 0 corruption for hammering a scum and being on the train

Starbuck should hammer imo

[BananaCucho]

Everyone is afraid to hammer because you all VOTE: know I’m town

Lol

[BananaCucho]

What a terrible, forced, and stupid wagon this is been. Good riddance to you all. Remember my reads-they are all that can save you at this point

[BananaCucho]

If Porkens is town, please kill me tonight

[BananaCucho]

I’m furiously typing out my final arguments on n a (I’m sure) vein attempt to convince you all to

wake up

, please hold...

Grab a brush and put a little make up...

[BananaCucho]

Also lol if we get actual arguments from Porkens now rather than 1 sentence spam that we've been getting all game

[BananaCucho]

Why didn’t you make the wall before?
Your failure to explain anything is the reason i voted you.

Yes where have the walls been for 2 weeks lol

[BananaCucho]

He's just trollin

Pretty sure we just got a scum

[BananaCucho]

[BananaCucho]

Okay, D&D it is

I do think he has a point with the scummy reactions after that flip in regards to DD & catboi in 1621 and 1624, and further on in 1761 with regards to catboi directing night actions.

This where we looking if Porkens flips town?
I hope so

lol Porkens isn't flipping town

[BananaCucho]

Damnit. Goodbye Norwee. You will be missed.

[BananaCucho]

So I haven't reread things with Porkens flip in mind because I still thought I was gonna die

So I'll try to do that tonight

[BananaCucho]

Also with just 1 death Norwee might have been right about us not having a 3p. Cause Bell and Porkens could have both targeted SS night 1

[BananaCucho]

Giving mafia a possible 2 kpn (basically if they dole out the corruption together) plus 3p is impossible

There's likely just 1 scummy left

[BananaCucho]

If there's no 3p Norwees death makes sense as scum is gonna try to use corruption to take someone down

[BananaCucho]

ｍ（＿　＿；；ｍ Yeah, I realize that now, but I couldn't help but tinfoil it b/c my imagination was too limited and didn't see how s_s could've picked up 3 corruption in 1 night.

Σ(`‐ｪ‐´) It would be

weird

if it was just jackel, 3 VTs, even in a theme game seems...too low. But then...I dunno where else to look.

We could also be living in a world where mafia has 4 players and today is LYLO

[BananaCucho]

If anyone else got corruption please claim it thanks

[BananaCucho]

I want to review DD today. They were on the Porkens train at the end but basically pushed Starbuck relentlessly over Porkens for as long as I remember

[BananaCucho]

Even though I want to review DD, I don't think pre-Bell death that scum team is likely to bus tbh. At least not hard. We did see Bell try to pull up at last moment off of Porkens

Because tbh if the team is Bell+Porkens+catboi/DD, they are sitting so pretty with 2+ roles that can dole out corruption. Bussing not even required

[BananaCucho]

BTW WIFOM says that Redtea

could

be the last scum here, decided not to dole out corruption and then claim it for himself

I need to review his interactions with both Bell and Porkens

[BananaCucho]

Their* interactions, sorry

[BananaCucho]

The question I have is first: why Redtea? Why not throw corruption at myself or Starbuck? Raising me or Starbuck to 2 corruption is efficient, they can then give one of us a 3rd corruption the next night in addition to the night kill

Possible explanations:

Starbuck is scum, and is banking on 3P talk today getting me eliminated and so they went for the cleric CC hoping to kill them slowly

Redtea is scum and lying - this seems most obvious tbh from the action perspective alone

DD is scum and has a trait like Porkens where if they are visited, they give out corruption

[BananaCucho]

6 alive. Eliminate 1, kill 1 at night. 4 alive MLYLO, we cant sleep if they dole out the corruption to Starbuck or myself cause then they kill 2 and win

Yeah doesn't make sense to me

[BananaCucho]

Red’s post are the worse in the game so far; exclusively showing a scum pov, being almost too self-aware, apologetic, not inquisitive by answering for the person hes asking/talking to. He sounds like a monologue and NEE “What’s a joke?” Is more towny to me than red’s 3 last wall. It says a lot

I have to wall! I've been such a slowpoke

More seriously:
Joey's very recent hardass posts #340 and #343 have me reading him as town. That and the fact that after people pointed out he wasn't posting well, he really stepped up his game and has been going strong. The fact he both changed and kept it up is very town to me. I feel like maf are more prone to having a surge of posts before falling back again, or will pick a fight to have something easy to respond to without really hunting. This might be a big reason others are tr'ing him now, and I agree.

Also

I maf-lean Norwegian and possibly banana (I have a couple things to go back to) and I don't think Norwegian would implicate two scum partners in #264 in his town reads so. Any ill-feelings I had towards Joey before don't really have room here.
Not to mention the likelihood of grouping together any three players and having

one

of them flip maf. So take this as me teasing the idea of Norwe/banana, though either/or is more realistic.

Oh, and I just remembered I have a WILD idea. I know how this sounds. Trust me, I know, I knew immediately how it would sound. But what if bananacucho needs corruption for, not voting, but for wincon/to unlock a special ability. Because he can't vote, then he must gain corruption a different way, as we know. So, should we be more wary of a possible corruption-giver giving corruption (town or maf role)?
No, because it wouldn't really be a big deal given what the mod's said.

But

maybe something will be different Day 2 and we should look out for it.

lol in retrospect this comes off as TMI, just like Porkens when Bell flipped and they were like "see I knew they wanted more corruption"

[BananaCucho]

Mmmmm perhaps

[BananaCucho]

I'm going over DDs iso. Found something interesting from day 1:

Town: banana, nor, joey, possibly SS
Scummy: jackel, redtea, starbuck

I keep vacillating on where to put androgybee

Everyone else: I don't know

This is very interesting by DD from day one

Rat/Bell and Porkens are in the "not sure where to put them" group. Where a non-bussing scum would want them to be.

Day 1 they throw a lot of votes around between Starbuck, Jackel, and Math

Day 2 they jump on Porkens early after Bell requests it. But keep reiterating that they wanna actually vote starbuck or Jackel

For now, OK

But I would like to strongly reiterate that I believe starbuck and jackel to be scummy

VOTE: porkens

- Dumber

I'm pretty happy with this porkens vote, but I'd also switch to starbuck if that ever became a thing

- Dumber

Now. Here comes the interesting part

I have a hunch that scum have higher corruption thresholds for dying. Should we all mass claim these thresholds?
We're at 3-7 right now anyway, right? Pre-LyLo. Hm, maybe we should fully mass then?

-Dumbass

This was August 4th. The day started August 3rd. The vc was as follows:

Porkens (4): Bell, DD, Norwee, catboi
Jackel (1): Redtea
Norwee (2): Jackel, Porkens
Starbuck (1): Banana

So the question here is: which is more likely? Scum DD pushing for a mass claim to take heat off of Porkens with a week to go til day end? Or town DD realizing at 7-3 we can't afford to mislunch here and a mass claim helps us solve it?

If DD is scum, they and Bell can flip that vote elsewhere. I don't think the call to mass claim was scum motivated tbh. And I thought maybe scum might be looking for 3p before, but imo scum always strongly believed no 3p existed.

I think if anything strongly points to DD being town its this action

[BananaCucho]

I think scum DD lets the day play out imo. If DD+Bell is a team they have a cakewalk to the end even if Porkens goes down

[BananaCucho]

DD what's your drink (both of you)

[BananaCucho]

I mean I can see a world where Porkens white knights one of Jackel/Starbuck, sure, and hard defends the other as a scum mate

Or they tried to white knight/pocket both, idk. Why Starbuck over Jackel in particular?

[BananaCucho]

Hey I've been wrong before

[BananaCucho]

I miss Norwee </3

[BananaCucho]

I think everyone should post their reads tbh

[BananaCucho]

People I won't vote for today:

Catboi

My POE pool:
Jackel/Starbuck

People I could be convinced to vote for:
Redtea/DD

Thats it. I have no idea who is aligned with Bell/Porkens

[BananaCucho]

Where on earth is Jackel

[BananaCucho]

VOTE: JackelSheep

[BananaCucho]

tbh Jackel has coasted way too long. She was a train day 1, I personally gave her a pass early day 2. And since then has basically done... nothing. No gamesolving. Just scumread Norwee for reasons I still don't understand, after the cleric claim doubled down on wanting Norwee out. The only other thought process they have recently (almost a week ago) given is they think I may be 3p

Their iso is empty. There's nothing there. Even if she is VT, I don't want her around in LYLO/MLYLO.

[BananaCucho]

This is a hard claim.

Everyone in this game has the following post restriction,

Corruption

must be said using the following code. Otherwise we will automatically lower your corruption level at night. Please do not make me hurt you I would be very sad if I did.

Code: Select all

 [color=#8080BF][b]Corruption[/b][/color]

~Bee

So the fakeclaim was that if we don’t format corruption in that way, our corruption level goes VOTE: down and RR was

avoiding

that. And that is townread why? Because some roles “might” use corruption differently, even tho those are “likely scum”?

I must be missing something

VOTE: Porkens

Guys flashwagon pls

-Dumbass

VOTE: Porkens
Shameless OMGUS

Anyone wanna wear a tin foil hat with me? If DD is mafia, both of Porkens teammates bussed them early, right after they entered the game

[BananaCucho]

(●ↀωↀ●) something_smart is obvious town for 114.

(๑ↀᆺↀ๑)

Porkens

is also town for his interpretation of the claim, thinking

Radical Rat

was trying to avoid getting corruption lowered and being suspicious of it.

(^・ω・^ ) androgybee probably town? Banana town, I guess. Radical Rat probably town for reasons stated in response to claim.


୧(๑•̀ᗝ•́)૭ Mafia: Dumb and Dumber, Norwee, redtea


(ﾉ^ヮ^)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧ Easy game, people~

ヾ(・ω・*) i like your reads, though the porkens one doesnt make much sense to me... any thoughts on joey? i feel like theyve still had some of the juiciest content.

~Natdia

( =´∀｀)✎ I think porkens expressing distrust of radical rat comes

from a place of genuine belief that they were trying not to lower their corruption levels. It's a town thought process that goes "maybe they are scum who want corruption"

. Joey_ honestly does not leave much of an impression on me. Even going through his ISO, I'm not struck by whatever you see as

juicy~

. I don't think your early read on him is unreasonable as he definitely hasn't done anything towny but mostly his posts are just "meh".

@Catboi
You expressed disliking of Dumb & Dumber giving me townpings. Then you put both me and him as scum. Does that mean you considered us to have partner equity? Because that seems like a very surface level read. Can you explain your scumread on me further in case i misunderstood you here?

(⌯͒ᵕɪᵕ⌯͒)zzZ My post was never intended as a comprehensive solve, just a list of "here are some people whose posts have bothered me". Indeed, if I tried to fit together a comprehensive picture them townreading you would make you less likely to be partners. Your posts had mostly been jokey and fillery and I didn't care for that.

*tin foil hatting intensifies*

Catboi, I dunno how I missed this before. But again, it comes off as TMI in relation to the whole Porkens/Radical Rat thing. I had like 0 thoughts about scum wanting more corruption

Show of hands - before Bell's flip, who here thought scum might want corruption? It could just be with the way my role works I just didn't think of that angle

[BananaCucho]

In somewhat order

NEE

was obvious town pre page 5 and has been absurdly screaming town for the last 2 pages straight, every single post

Catboi

ISO and overall content sucked ass until he started posting for real. I had a mirror read with them and their reactions to my post was excellent. He also towntold in a recent post by showing a very strong t pov (irrc; anyways I remember how I felt when I read his post)

Charmander

is also pretty blatant and open town, there’s isn’t an ounce of malice in his posts and there’s no way someone first game in 5 years could fool me with a tone this good as mefia (inb4)

Something smart

also towntold very early in the game, including his reaction when he started posting after the dumb/joey convo. I am just a bit more paranoid here because the towntells were more “Classic” and tone is not as good as

NEE

/Catboi/Charmander.

Radical

is also probably town for Occam razor and his reaction to his crumb being outed

NMD

Occam says town, tone says town. Lack of content, good vote on red

Starbucks

???

Porkens

/

Alligator

/

Dumb

/

redtea

are my S pool for today

Pick and choose; bad content and/or bad tone and/or incoherence and/or opportunism

Lest we forget Joey's reads, that may or may not have gotten him killed early...

[BananaCucho]

I think I already quoted this post before, it seems familiar, but I'm re-reading the whole game in sequence and it stuck out a 2nd time to me

Town: banana,

nor

,

joey

, possibly

SS

Scummy:

jackel

,

redtea

,

starbuck

I keep vacillating on where to put

androgybee

Everyone else: I don't know

Both Porkens and Radical Rat/Bell are literally no where to be found in the reads list here

I think I my lunch order this is this:

Jackel >> DD >> Starbuck/Redtea (no fucking idea really between these 2) >> Catboi

[BananaCucho]

Red’s post are the worse in the game so far; exclusively showing a scum pov, being almost too self-aware, apologetic, not inquisitive by answering for the person hes asking/talking to. He sounds like a monologue and NEE “What’s a joke?” Is more towny to me than red’s 3 last wall. It says a lot

I have to wall! I've been such a slowpoke

More seriously:

Joey's

very recent hardass posts #340 and #343 have me reading him as town. That and the fact that after people pointed out he wasn't posting well, he really stepped up his game and has been going strong. The fact he both changed and kept it up is very town to me. I feel like maf are more prone to having a surge of posts before falling back again, or will pick a fight to have something easy to respond to without really hunting. This might be a big reason others are tr'ing him now, and I agree.

Also

I maf-lean

Norwegian

and possibly

banana

(I have a couple things to go back to) and I don't think

Norwegian

would implicate two scum partners in #264 in his town reads so. Any ill-feelings I had towards

Joey

before don't really have room here.
Not to mention the likelihood of grouping together any three players and having

one

of them flip maf. So take this as me teasing the idea of

Norwe

/

banana

, though either/or is more realistic.

Oh, and I just remembered I have a WILD idea. I know how this sounds. Trust me, I know, I knew immediately how it would sound. But what if

bananacucho

needs corruption for, not voting,

but for wincon/to unlock a special ability.

Because he can't vote, then he must gain corruption a different way, as we know. So, should we be more wary of a possible corruption-giver giving corruption (town or maf role)?
No, because it wouldn't really be a big deal given what the mod's said.

But

maybe something will be different Day 2 and we should look out for it.

Redtea seems really obsessed with the idea on day 1 that evils want to get corruption for some reason. If they are Cleric I guess this could make sense? Though my initial thought process if I get that role card is "oh hey I'm a gimped doctor". Though maybe they just

knew

that mafia wanted corruption to survive

[BananaCucho]

Anyone wanna wear a tin foil hat with me? If DD is mafia, both of Porkens teammates bussed them early, right after they entered the game

I think if you look at Porkens's reaction to those 2 votes though, it speaks to some difference, though? In 253 he simply attacks RR while questioning DD, speaks to a difference in mentality - he's distancing from rat while genuinely trying to appeal to dumb and dumber. He did shade them somewhat later in his ISO, but the game he was playing might've been to just defend his teammates at every step.

*tin foil hatting intensifies*

Catboi, I dunno how I missed this before. But again, it comes off as TMI in relation to the whole Porkens/Radical Rat thing. I had like 0 thoughts about scum wanting more corruption

Show of hands - before Bell's flip, who here thought scum might want corruption? It could just be with the way my role works I just didn't think of that angle

I didn't have any thought about scum wanting corruption but thought it was a legit process from him. It was a bad read (I've had a lot of those lately). It was also a age 9 read.

Oh hey Catboi. Thanks for your insight into this Porkens/DD interaction

[BananaCucho]

jackel is simultaneously someone I dread will flip town yet absolutely do not want in a lylo gamestate. They do seem to question joey about voting porkens in 683, give an "i agree but i'll vote elsewhere", refers to porkens as a "mega compromise" in 1107, and that's about it for their read there. Her second post was 153 which was kind of a weird comment on radical rat, basically nothing on bell.

bell and porkens ere also really light on mentions of jackel although that might just be an inactivity thing. porkens repeatedly referred to jackel as "flipbait" but I don't think it's past him to shield a partner that way and hope people out-wifom themselves as thinking it as whiteknighting.

The interesting thing about Jackel's early train that I noticed on re-read is that there was some talk about her possibly freezing, since it's been a while since her last game. Something else that crossed my mind is maybe her heart wasn't really in it given the team composition? Prism was replaced a few days into the game by Porkens, and Radical Rat was replaced not too far into the game as well. If your scum team isn't talking to you/not around/getting replaced, and you're an early train... yeah the motivation may just not have been there to give the effort this game precisely due to that

VC 1.3

Jackel98

(3):

NorwegianboyEE

,

catboi

,

Dumb and Dumber

- (

banana

didn't have a day 1 vote, but was here symbolically - post 239)

redtea

(3):

NDMath

,

Joey_

,

Starbuck

Porkens

(1):

Radical Rat

Joey_

(1):

androgybee

androgybee

(1):

Something_Smart

Not Voting (3):

Jackel98

,

Porkens

,

redtea

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-08-02 00:00:00)

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to eliminate[/area]

Prodding Jackel98

VOTE: alligator

UNVOTE:

My 395 vote was when I was catching up, alligator hasn't posted in a while so i won't rush the lynch

Also, the alligator wagon composition seems almost too good to be true, which either means the game is solved or not at all

Another thing to take into account is this thing Joey said about the train on Jackel. The composition of Norwee/Catboi/DD/psuedo-banana seemed almost "too good to be true". It was against this towncore that Porkens pretty much lashed out repeatedly as they were boxed into the POE - constantly scumreading Norwee/Catboi/DD. We know of us 4, unless there is a hidden additional scum then at the very least 3 of us are town. Joey may have been onto it early - the game probably solved early with the early towncore

I'm willing to ride it, see it through some jackel lunch. Let's have some lamb chops

[BananaCucho]

Ok, so my reads, scores from -3 (Scum) to +3 (Townie):

I hate that I think

Joey_

is my strongest townread. The way he thinks, the way he writes, it all really annoys me, but it's coming from a place that I think is townie, and he seems to be putting a lot of effort into that. He believes his reads, however wrong I think they are. +3

My strongest scumread is definitely

NEE

. On the one hand, I recognize that this could be seen as OMGUS, but it really strikes me as odd how, despite being the first one to vote for me in 219 and repeatedly putting me as his strongest scumread, he waits until 288 to give a reason beyond not having a townread, and even there he only echoes

Banana

. In 312, he finally posts original reasons, although I disagree with the reasons. The rest of his reasoning is agreeing with

Joey

, eliminate lurkers, and the potential of more info. This, his other scumreads being mostly based on inactivity, what looked to maybe be a failed attempt at a wagon on

catboi

(this is mostly gut tbh), and that weird trying to get

Starbuck

with a gotcha in 394 just makes me really read this slot as scum. Idk, the rest of his interactions, especially with

Banana

and

Joey

, feel like attempts to buddy or just be jocular or whatever. -3

After

NEE

is

D&D

, but they're a significantly weaker scumread. I don't understand their reads, and that's mostly what they talk about. This read/lean is really just mostly feelings. -1½

Mechanically,

Banana

is probably town. I'm ambivalent about their posting. They are active, but their posts aren't really AI, and their switching between being open and reticent about their role annoys me, but that is probably just paranoia about the possibility of a mafia corruption redirector or whatever posing as a stump, which is really unlikely considering their lack of a vote. -½

S_S

hasn't interacted with many people, despite being relatively active post-wise. He's kept the same vote since post 62. -½

@

Something_Smart

:

Is your vote still where you want it? What are your current reads and opinions?

[Doing more explained reads isn't possible if I want to finish tonight, considering I did fall asleep in the middle already so here goes]

Catboi

: +1½

androgybee

: +¾

redtea

: +1

the rest: 0

My bad, in my head an alligator was ''a he'' by default

No problem, just figured I'd say something now, while it's still relatively early.

Notice something about this initial reads list by Jackel? There is a very distinct lack of red in there. No opinion on our flipped scummies

There's also the pushback on the towncore that has coalesced on her. She scumreads Norwee and DD who are both voting her at the time, has a slight maf-lean on me (pseudo voting her) even though they admit I'm "probably mechanically town". The only one she doesn't push back on is catboi

[BananaCucho]

I want to talk about the shifts in scumreads when I posted my list; everyone’s attention went to red/alligator which is great, it’s just not normal/expected, you know? The game doesn’t work like that if town are correct on their reads. I need someone to exchange their own reads with me so I can bounce some ideas

Do you feel the gamestate I am talking about? There’s a distinct lack of resistance

This lack of resistence was an early concern that I felt on Jackel's wagon too

But now that we know that Rat (afk, this was before Bell subbed in) and Porkens (barely subbed in) were both scum. This makes the lack of resistence make sense

[BananaCucho]

Transformers... more than meets the eye...

[BananaCucho]

I think I already quoted this post before, it seems familiar, but I'm re-reading the whole game in sequence and it stuck out a 2nd time to me

Town: banana,

nor

,

joey

, possibly

SS

Scummy:

jackel

,

redtea

,

starbuck

I keep vacillating on where to put

androgybee

Everyone else: I don't know

Both Porkens and Radical Rat/Bell are literally no where to be found in the reads list here

I think I my lunch order this is this:

Jackel >> DD >> Starbuck/Redtea (no fucking idea really between these 2) >> Catboi

I mean they were both lurkers who were all but absent
Like I'm not sure what you expect at that stage of the game
Bell wasn't even there yet iirc

And i'm p impressed with myself that my townreads were 4/4 there, I really just need to trust myself more
(assuming you're town, of course)

Why exactly are we lower than the star/red tier ???

- Dumber

Circumstances

[BananaCucho]

It's easy to be 4/4 on town reads if you know who is mefia

[BananaCucho]

I feel that of the two of you, you are more likely to be aligned with Bell and Porkens than Starbuck is

[BananaCucho]

Qith Red, idk I gotta look into that one more tbh.

[BananaCucho]

OK, because ...

- Dumber

I mean I'm rereading the game and already spilling out all my thoughts by spamming the thread

[BananaCucho]

Redtea can you share your lunch order

[BananaCucho]

Btw, today one of the following players should hammer:

catboi, jackel, or DD

If we are wrong, Redtea then has 3 choices to heal corruption and WIFOM the hella outta scum. Me, Starbuck, and whoever hammers. Scum is basically forced to kill Redtea (which does my work for me and solves that slot) or risk the chance of letting Redtea confirming themselves

If one of those players already have corruption, even better. Remove themselves from hammer pool

I think anyone who

has

corruption should claim it today for that reason, but not how much they have

[BananaCucho]

Redtea then has 3 choices to heal corruption

We should be stacking the heals on someone scummy, yes? And they shouldn't be healing anyone.

-Dumbass

[BananaCucho]

I'd rather just have redtea heal dumb and dumber again if the game doesn't end today and assume they're town if they tank 3 heals given we already had an ascetic redirector flip. Bit of a gamble, but eh.

still looking over starbuck in isolation to get a look at interactions there but I'm being lazy ฅ( ͒ᵕ̳ωᵕ̳ ͒)｡o○

I don't think it can be 100% sure because we don't know if kill happens before heal

...actually is that a thing here? On my home site order of operations is important

[BananaCucho]

No it makes more sense now. The "stacking heals" is what threw me off

[BananaCucho]

Ok so lets do that then. If DD lives, its very likely they are town. Like very very very likely to survive 3 heals right?

Redtea whats your lunch order for today?

[BananaCucho]

@DD can you please explain to me what changed between these two posts regarding Jackel? The first one was made when there were 2 trains, Jackel and Redtea, with 3 votes each (and one fake-pseudo bananavote)

I want to talk about the shifts in scumreads when I posted my list; everyone’s attention went to red/alligator which is great, it’s just not normal/expected, you know? The game doesn’t work like that if town are correct on their reads. I need someone to exchange their own reads with me so I can bounce some ideas

Do you feel the gamestate I am talking about? There’s a distinct lack of resistance

Yeah I feel that.
But the game overall feels unusually passive so I think that's kinda messing with things too.

And if scum is like {jackel, redtea, someone else} I'm not sure how much resistance we'd be getting anyways?
That being said, I am feeling like people are trying to shift to redtea over jackel, and while I don't think redtea's posting is great, I'm not sure that I read it as scummy,

whereas I find jackel actively scummy.

- Dumber

Why Starbuck over Jackel in particular?

Jackel leaves no impression on me

, whereas Starbuck leaves a scummy one.

-Dumbass

Jackel had made like 7 posts up to that initial point, and has made the majority of her posts after that. So if you can point out to me where Jackel went from "actively scummy" to "no impression" that would help me try to figure this out. Please and thank you.

[BananaCucho]

Anyway, what I came here for

Redtea do you have any confident reads or nah?
I am reading your ISO and I see a lot of thoughts but I am unable to paint a clear picture as to what any of them mean.

~Bee

Fair. A lot of it's associative, dependent, etc etc useless garbage atm.

If

Norwegian

were to magically flip town at some point, that would force me to re-evaluate absolutely everything about this whole game.

The one alternative is if a specific person acted maf enough to spin the axis of my perspective to them taking advantage of a town!

Norwe

. But that would be the one exception. I hope this gives a decent impression of how I don't think I could let my jaws off if I wanted. Sorry this is about the only read I have much conviction of.

On the side of town reads: for some reason catboi seems to be one of the most consistent players. I don't think a single insidious thing about them has stood out to me. Maybe their posts since the "troll-vote mess" appeal to me in a way that allow them to coast like butter on my radar for some reason. Is it just me?
Like, does everyone at least null catboi rn? Though I suppose this isn't an imperative question for today.
I guess this isn't a "strong read", since I'll have to figure out why exactly I read them positively. But I'll put it out there while I'm here.

@Redtea, has Norwee's flip today caused some of this re-evaluation for you yet? What have you found with Norwee's associations that have changed any reads?

[BananaCucho]

This vote. This vote may be pretty important. Near EOD day 1, Jackel/Redtea are the leading trains with Jackel slightly leading

And Bell swoops in and makes this vote. To save Jackel possibly?

VOTE: RedTea

Hi. Is there anything in your gameplay so far that you think makes you town that you wouldn't do as scum and could you share that?

[BananaCucho]

DD can you please explain to me what changed between these two posts regarding Jackel? The first one was made when there were 2 trains, Jackel and Redtea, with 3 votes each (and one fake-pseudo bananavote)

Well, two different heada gave those two reads
(See the signed posts)
Each of us just shared what we were thinking at the time

Kinda hard to explain the progression when there wasnt one consistent one

- dumber

...I guess that's a (non) answer

[BananaCucho]

I know it’s an unpopular proposition in this game and on mafiascum in general, but flipping a low activity player like porkens who hasn’t been mentionned can actually gives a lot of associative infos.

Porkens was mentionned a few instances in this game by few people, especially when he was being compared to the alligator/red scum pool. I think it would be relatively easy to see all the slots who actively avoided the porkens issue

Is there a reason why you'd want

Porkens

over

NDMath

? Also, wouldn't it be hard to tell who actively avoided

Porkens

and who just forgot that they existed?

Here's another question for you: why your TR on

Norwee

? Is it only the reasons listed in posts 243–247?

lol. Jackel pushing back on Porkens, instead favoring NDMath. I'm just confbiasing at this point aren't I?

It's going to be hard to persuade me to change my vote at this point

[BananaCucho]

I still think policy is opportunistic and am not a fan of this recent push by Joey. Again, you can just go to

Porkens

site profile and see he's been a bit absent the past few days.

Not sure when he turned it on within his profile, though. I do know that the banner was on his profile last night as I was catching up.

Damnit Starbuck defended Porkens late day 1 as well from Joey's push

[BananaCucho]

I compiled a buncha posts and votes that stuck out to me when trying to evaluate EOD day 1, but the things I were specifically looking for aren't as clear as I would hope they would be

So if anyone wants some cliffs from that, here they are I guess

Spoiler: posts and votes EOD1

VOTE: porkens

I’m not gunna be able to get to this today. Apologies.

It's starting to feel very disingenuous. I said earlier that incoherence between in-game posting and game knowledge is scummy, it goes both ways.
For a lazy player, regularly posting yet not engaging the content makes it looks like ''showing up in thread'' is enough to help your wincon and no engagin the content.

Analogy: Almost looks like you are putting off homework you don't want to do because it's not due. For the analogy's sake, it's like you don't care about having good grades (correct reads, good lynches, finding mafia) but are only motivated about not being kicked out of school. If you care about the consequences of engaging the content, you would. If it was an activity issue, you wouldn't show up as much as you do

In other words, coasting and playing the attrition game

Let's get the wagon momentum going.

VOTE: NDMath

-Dumbass

VC 1.4

Jackel98

(2):

NorwegianboyEE

,

catboi

redtea

(2):

NDMath

,

Starbuck

Porkens

(2):

Radical Rat

,

Joey_

Joey_

(1):

androgybee

androgybee

(1):

Something_Smart

NorwegianBoyEE

(1):

Jackel98

NDMath

(1):

Dumb and Dumber

Not Voting (2):

Porkens

,

redtea

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-08-02 00:00:00)

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to eliminate

Porkens

is V/LA until August 1st

Radical Rat

has requested replacement

2 and a half days left

VOTE: Alligator

I think we should push forward with this tbh

I think it tells me more about a few slots than a turnaround counter wagon on NDMath would

ヽ(^‥^=ゞ) I think they're both fine votes and at some point people are going to have to summon up their courage and vote a lurker. I think either vote is fine, on a review of NDMath I don't like his posts either. Really don't like the reasoning for his redtea vote.

I'm good with either. I just think Jackel's flip is a little more telling tbh

If only I could vote ;_;

ヽ(^‥^=ゞ) I think they're both fine votes and at some point people are going to have to summon up their courage and vote a lurker.

Is that the only reason people are hesitant to vote Jackel? I don't think i've seen a lot of people express a TR on their content except for Androgybee.

That goes same with NDMath i guess. But i don't really see a reason to switch my vote, i think Jackel has been marginally scummier due to reasons i've mentioned earlier.

How much longer do you guys wanna wait to finish out this day? Nothing is really happening, and the lurkers have been given ample time to turn things around haven't they?

Start piling up votes on Jackel or NDMath imo

We're going to go back here
VOTE: jackel

(My other head still scumreads ndmath but we want a wagon)

VOTE: ss

- Dumber

(I'm also not sure I believe you to be widely townread)

Bell replaces Radical Rat

Talk to me

Norwee

,

Banana

. From what I recall a stump is somebody who can't do anything, can they be mafia or only town? You've been acting like it from a tone post, but I saw that you don't like tone reads so instead I'll ask you if you could tell me what you think of

RedTea

,

Beeboy hydra

, and

dumb and dumber

if you don't mind?

Am I being pocketed RN.

What's your read on

Something_Smart

?

Something_Smart

, you have no scum leans? Do you do town leans?

VOTE: RedTea

Hi. Is there anything in your gameplay so far that you think makes you town that you wouldn't do as scum and could you share that?

VOTE: bell

Honestly

bell

has been scumtelling left and right since replace-in


My list ATM, no order in the sublists but the sublists are ordered:
Red towntold last page

T

NorwegianboyEE

androgybee

(Hydra between Nahdia/beeboy)

Dumb and Dumber

(Secret Hydra)

redtea

catboi

BananaCucho

Something_Smart

??

NDMath

Starbuck

S Pool

Bell

Jackel98

Porkens

If Jackel is scum... Jesus Christ Joey lmao

townish:

Norwe - Joey

Weak townish:

Banana ~ D&D

Null:

S_S

,

Starbuck

,

Porkens

,

Catboi

,

RedTea

.

Androbee

.
Weak LS:

Math

Jack

is in the null pile.

V(=^･ω･^=)v I'll vote where we can get traction among

jackel

/

NDMath

/

Starbuck

.

Porkens

is not a

bad

vote but has more the policy feel of yeeting a useless player.

Bell

is acting strange but not necessarily inherently scummy and would like to believe as mafia they come up with a better justification for the

redtea

vote than "nullread". With 2 days left we should be pushing someone for a claim.

VOTE: porkens

Gamestate tells me this is scum.
For that weak of a slot and having barely anyone talk about them is a gamestate tell. Normally, scums will push this kind of weak town players but will gladly not draw attention to them if scum

I know I have been voting everywhere but people has been scumtelling hard then towntelling almost everytime so shrugs

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NDMath

nyeh

VOTE: NDMath
It’s compromising time i suppose.

Only 2 votes on NDMath right now actually. But it’s the one most people can agree on right now.
Can y’all get this wagon up to E-1? We’re running out of time soon.

VOTE: NDMath

Maybe it'll work this time

VOTE: jackel

Really for deadline-wagon purposes more than anything else

- Dumber

Nahdia, if you scumread NDMath, why don’t you vote them? You know there’s a deadline yet you’ve been voting Joey all this time.

..................i thought we'd been voting NDMath for like days now.

VOTE: NDMath

~Nahdia

VOTE: NDmath

E-2?
Phone post. D_D where do you see the towniness re redtea?

VC 1.5

NDMath (4):

catboi

,

NorwegianboyEE

,

androgybee

,

Bell

redtea

(1):

NDMath

androgybee

(1):

Something_Smart

NorwegianBoyEE

(1):

Jackel98

Porkens

(1):

Joey_

Jackel98

(1):

Dumb and Dumber

Not Voting (3):

Porkens

,

redtea

,

Starbuck

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-08-02 00:00:00)

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to eliminate

VOTE: NDMath

-Dumbass

I'm still unsure how I feel about ND, but our deadline is coming close. Some of my town reads are scum reading him, so I'll trust their judgment.

VOTE: NDMath

I apologize for my lack of engagement thus far. When I repped into the game things were just fine, but then my life quickly spun out of control. You can look at my recently completed games if you want to see a big part of it, but there were RL issues as well. My VLA was due to mental health and I needed to self-care ASAP. I had to disengage emotionally for a while because things were getting really dark. I'm in a better space now.

Joey

/

Norwee

/? Seems the likeliest team from my read through. They are very much acting in coordination. The third might be

DD

or even

Math

, which would explain the recent misdirection from

Joey

.

Jackel

seems like flip bait to me.

Redtea

,

SS

,

Starbuck

,

catboi

,

Andro

, and

Rat/Bell

all feel town to me.

I think

banana

is probably my strongest townread though.

VOTE: math

VC 1.Final

NDMath (7): catboi, NorwegianboyEE, androgybee, Bell, Dumb and Dumber, Starbuck, Porkens (Hammer)
redtea (1): NDMath
androgybee (1): Something_Smart
NorwegianBoyEE (1): Jackel98
Porkens (1): Joey_

Not Voting (1): redtea

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-08-02 00:00:00)

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to eliminate

[BananaCucho]

See from my pov there's 3 flip-bait-y slots
And we only have 1 miselim

So we cant just vote through the pool

What makes your slot so sure about 1 of those flip-bait-y slots and not the others?

Share your lunch order please

[BananaCucho]

2v1 LYLO is preferable to 3v1 MLYLO right? Since our plan is for Redtea to use their heal on DD, I may have a plan...

[BananaCucho]

2v1 LYLO is preferable to 3v1 MLYLO right? Since our plan is for Redtea to use their heal on DD, I may have a plan...

Ah no wait it still wouldn't work, nevermind...

[BananaCucho]

Ugh guys I just had a thought. Bell could give out 3 fruit right? 3 points of corruption

I'm the only one to claim getting one

One of them definitely went to the Saintass, causing their death

The 3rd one, if DD is mafia, definitely could have went to them. If their corruption started at 3, and they got a fruit that put them at 4, then Redtea targeting them tonight still isn't clearing

ughhgoijasodffijqpiowjefj;aoskdfmasdf

[BananaCucho]

Cuz i've played with scum!star before and this looks like her scumgame
Nobody has given a reason for why she's town

We havent had any corruption changes to the best of my knowledge

And you haven't given a reason why Jackel, or anyone else who is "flip-bait-y" is town

What is your lunch order

[BananaCucho]

DD I need your lunch order please, they won't serve our table until everyone has ordered

[BananaCucho]

*DD fucks off to the bathroom without leaving their lunch order*

[BananaCucho]

It would be nice to get Jackel's perspective in case we are wrong

[BananaCucho]

Carboi outside of Jackel can I get your lunch order?

[BananaCucho]

Cuz i've played with scum!star before and this looks like her scumgame
Nobody has given a reason for why she's town

We havent had any corruption changes to the best of my knowledge

And you haven't given a reason why Jackel, or anyone else who is "flip-bait-y" is town

What is your lunch order

Mostly because i very strongly think star is scum and havent seen any convincing reason why jackel is

I think I've gone over how they look in relation to porkens/bell? It's bothersome that you seem to not be paying much attention there.

Yeah I'm not liking how DD is just spamming "vote Star" while saying things like "no solving today" when they haven't done much solving today either

Don't really scum read them for that alone but it's just fluff at this point, there's no new info there

[BananaCucho]

*of star

Why is jackel scum again?

I don't understand how you townread Jackel and scum read Star

[BananaCucho]

Yeah I'm not liking how DD is just spamming "vote Star" while saying things like "no solving today" when they haven't done much solving today either

I mean, you at least know where i want to vote today
Can you say that of the person who you're defending?

I don't see how I have defended Star. They are just higher up on my lunch order than Jackel and yourself.

[BananaCucho]

Unless you mean can I say with certainty that I want to vote Jackel

In which case I ask you to kindly read the last few pages of this day in which I expressly show why I want to vote Jackel, over and over and over and over and over again

[BananaCucho]

"Why Jackel tho?"

*bananaspam about why Jackel*

"Why Jackel tho? Why not Star? something something scummy impression"

[BananaCucho]

Keep the hats on please

[BananaCucho]

VC 3.2

Starbuck (1): Dumb and Dumber
Jackel98 (1): BananaCucho

Not Voting (4): redtea, catboi, Starbuck, Jackel98

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-08-22 18:00:00)

With 6 players alive, it takes 5 to eliminate

Note: There was an error in the last 2 vote counts, it has been amended for this vote count

What? What error?

[BananaCucho]

5 to eliminate? lol what

[BananaCucho]

I have no idea

[BananaCucho]

I guess its something to talk about while half of the players are forever afk

[BananaCucho]

I don't understand how you townread Jackel and scum read Star

I don't really townread jackel

I just don't scumread her, whereas I actively scumread star

I don't understand why you're giving Jackel a pass

She's not even coming back probably. She's a cooked goose

[BananaCucho]

Literally rolling over

[BananaCucho]

aside do you have any thoughts on why you're not dead?

Yes

[BananaCucho]

No.

[BananaCucho]

Speculate away Redtea. I'll die tonight finally and it wont matter lol

[BananaCucho]

That is if Jackel is town

If they are scum it also wont matter lol

[BananaCucho]

ngl, kinda tired of rereading everything

[BananaCucho]

Its been 4 irl days and Jackel and Starbuck literally have said nothing

[BananaCucho]

n other words, they'd rather have Starbuck around still than Jackel.

a) i'm aware that this is mostly a policy thing, i'm pointing out that it's silly to level a policy thing against jackel alone when star is doing ... the exact same thing

b) even though it's mostly a policy thing, certain people are presenting it as being a scumread

Starbuck has shown more presence and progression and thought than Jackel has over the 3 days of this game

[BananaCucho]

Flip the alligatorsheep

Dew it

[BananaCucho]

[BananaCucho]

FrozenSheep

[BananaCucho]

I'm fine with that. We need all 5 votes lol

[BananaCucho]

zzzzzzzzzz

[BananaCucho]

If both of them are town somehow it's extremely disappointing to say the least

[BananaCucho]

EOD is Saturday right? I'm headed to the lake tomorrow through Sunday so I may be only able to spam half as much as I've been doing for the end part of the day