Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[ulyana]

Why did you post this?

the only ones being paid are the scums according to the flavour thus the 'not paying

enough

' vs paying in general i had a similar thought but upon review it could also apply to unpaid actors not being paid enough because they aren't being paid at all i guess

if you really squint could say stagehands aren't actors and thus confirmed town as opposed to confirmed scum but... seems better to assume that the slot isn't flavour confirmed by replacement post in general

[ulyana]

also if they get left behind,

i feel like that interpretation makes the most sense yeah

[ulyana]

why gypyx a point of contention

[ulyana]

idk tbh, ulyana?

? i don't even get a mention in the rundown and yet... ?

[ulyana]

idk tbh, ulyana?

? i don't even get a mention in the rundown and yet... ?

yeah, mostly cuz i don't have other appealing options and there was some movement towards you

from sircakez ??? who also hasn't put any words as to why ???

like

.....................................................................................

[ulyana]

ok first off I don't understand why you're so stuck up on my scumread of you - I find that in itself scummy
accusing me of having an agenda is ridiculous if you read any of my posts - I have no fucking clue what is going on lol

because you just keep saying i am scummy without any reasoning

you say it's ridiculous to say you have an agenda but gypyx literally just like ten posts ago is saying i should stay behind solely because you've said i was scummy

[ulyana]

i'd leave like
ulyana, Harley, Gypyx, Toog

so two people i've been saying were scummy for a long time, someone who just said i should be left behind, and me

makes a lot of sense to you?

[ulyana]

ok first off I don't understand why you're so stuck up on my scumread of you - I find that in itself scummy
accusing me of having an agenda is ridiculous if you read any of my posts - I have no fucking clue what is going on lol

because you just keep saying i am scummy without any reasoning

you say it's ridiculous to say you have an agenda but gypyx literally just like ten posts ago is saying i should stay behind solely because you've said i was scummy

i'm about to get into this I was finishing reading
why are you blaming me for this Gypyx thing? if anything you should be scumreading Gypyx for sheeping an unexplained read

i also questioned gypyx about it and they haven't responded? i'm not 'blaming' you for it i'm saying there could obviously be an agenda to blankly scumreading me as possibly evidenced by that post

[ulyana]

also I said this earlier which was the initial reasoning for my scumread - Dunn and you looked like buddies

I'm just going back to how Infinity has been a literal wet napkin all game and also has not good associations with Dunn
Ulyana is someone who is now on the table for me too based on bad Dunn associatives

I don't understand what you're saying here
y'all had basically no read on each other and you seemed to avoid talking about him as he did with you

i wasn't avoiding talking about him i talked about how my past experience with him wasn't any help in sorting

but more importantly that's literally all you've felt about about my slot from every post i've made

is was maybe avoiding dunnstral?

[ulyana]

also I said this earlier which was the initial reasoning for my scumread - Dunn and you looked like buddies

I'm just going back to how Infinity has been a literal wet napkin all game and also has not good associations with Dunn
Ulyana is someone who is now on the table for me too based on bad Dunn associatives

I don't understand what you're saying here
y'all had basically no read on each other and you seemed to avoid talking about him as he did with you

i wasn't avoiding talking about him i talked about how my past experience with him wasn't any help in sorting

but more importantly that's literally all you've felt about about my slot from every post i've made

is was maybe avoiding dunnstral?

like it's so absurd to me that your scumread is 'is scum because might have been avoiding dunnstral and i don't like the way she reacts to things (which you also haven't looked into)' will just ignore all of her posts and just keep saying she's scum

[ulyana]

I don't like how you've behaved in the game post-Dunn flip
it feels like you're manipulating things and overtly worried about attention on your slot

what have i manipulated?

[ulyana]

here are all Dunn-Uly references/interactions from his ISO
it's fishy as fuck
unexplained townread on Uly, a random defense of her, some posts chatting with her

Spoiler:

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

Without looking at meta I disagree with this read

That's what was current when I was in thread and Ulyana is one of my only townreads in this game. I didn't like the push there.

Is relitigate some kind of buzzword that doesn't mean anything now?

My reads for today is what Ulyana just said in 2202, which I kind of hinted that that is where I was leaning, but wondering why other people thought otherwise

I think it will be more clear whether we've received a benefit when we know more about the event.

so you'd default to gamma being exempt from duel to determine after if we've received benefit?

hm, i think this makes some sense, though if gamma is a scums that leaves only 3 for us to hit 2 within with other choices

Putting my thoughts on gamma aside:

If we wanted to eliminate him, we had a chance to do so. We didn't take it. It's nonsense to try to eliminate him again using a seperate game mechanic, it would mean we wasted power

I think Ydrasse as mafia will start the game off strong but over time lose drive, and then you realize their posting is just fluffy but not filled with very hard analysis

do you think this description of your expectation of scum!ydrasse lines up with taly’s play this game? and would you have a similar expectation of scum!taly?

I don't know how to read taly, no I wouldn't have a similar expectation, that's just for ydrasse.

like it felt like lights were off and i could relate to that

Can you clarify what “lights were off” means?

it is like,

sometimes i am very excited for a game almost always if i sign up and stay signed up i am very much excited to be playing it

but then the game starts and i flip the switch to turn on the lights and the lights do not come on

and it feels like i can't make sense of anything and all of my thoughts are like 'yup they are a player in this game'

and then others are like 'she must be a scums!' or worse they are like why don't you just try flipping that switch again it's right there and i am like that's not how lights work

Well it feels like we have been talking in circles for several 10's of pages

these are literally all dunnstral posts this is exactly why i said you were just saying that because dunnstral commented on some of my posts so you could say this

[ulyana]

what posts have I ignored?

you ignored my saying either agenda or do not like me outright until i brought it back up

you've ignored all of my attempts at solving game apparently,

[ulyana]

here are all Dunn-Uly references/interactions from his ISO
it's fishy as fuck
unexplained townread on Uly, a random defense of her, some posts chatting with her

Spoiler:

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

Without looking at meta I disagree with this read

That's what was current when I was in thread and Ulyana is one of my only townreads in this game. I didn't like the push there.

Is relitigate some kind of buzzword that doesn't mean anything now?

My reads for today is what Ulyana just said in 2202, which I kind of hinted that that is where I was leaning, but wondering why other people thought otherwise

I think it will be more clear whether we've received a benefit when we know more about the event.

so you'd default to gamma being exempt from duel to determine after if we've received benefit?

hm, i think this makes some sense, though if gamma is a scums that leaves only 3 for us to hit 2 within with other choices

Putting my thoughts on gamma aside:

If we wanted to eliminate him, we had a chance to do so. We didn't take it. It's nonsense to try to eliminate him again using a seperate game mechanic, it would mean we wasted power

I think Ydrasse as mafia will start the game off strong but over time lose drive, and then you realize their posting is just fluffy but not filled with very hard analysis

do you think this description of your expectation of scum!ydrasse lines up with taly’s play this game? and would you have a similar expectation of scum!taly?

I don't know how to read taly, no I wouldn't have a similar expectation, that's just for ydrasse.

like it felt like lights were off and i could relate to that

Can you clarify what “lights were off” means?

it is like,

sometimes i am very excited for a game almost always if i sign up and stay signed up i am very much excited to be playing it

but then the game starts and i flip the switch to turn on the lights and the lights do not come on

and it feels like i can't make sense of anything and all of my thoughts are like 'yup they are a player in this game'

and then others are like 'she must be a scums!' or worse they are like why don't you just try flipping that switch again it's right there and i am like that's not how lights work

Well it feels like we have been talking in circles for several 10's of pages

these are literally all dunnstral posts this is exactly why i said you were just saying that because dunnstral commented on some of my posts so you could say this

ok and what's your point? it looks bad

so dunnstral commented on some posts so that you could say it looks bad and now you're saying it looks bad?

[ulyana]

and other people also found you scummy in the Blue PT and back in the main thread but you're stuck on me for some reasons

who has found me scummy in the main thread that i didn't directly address about it? and i don't have access to the blue pt, so

[ulyana]

just because you appear to be game solving doesn't mean anything

okay how are you determining that i 'appear to be solving' as opposed to 'am solving'

[ulyana]

iirc Gamma and Peta found you suspicious

i addressed petapan about this at some length and gamma emerald has not voiced that recently (until just now)? and when gamma did we also talked about that at length, so?

[ulyana]

fun fact: I am suspicious of ulyana
but not primarily for those reasons

feel free to share your reasons tho

[ulyana]

i kind of want to do a plan where at some point we just make someone commander in chief and have them dictate who we vote and blitz through it, at least for the first 5

oh pick me!!!

[ulyana]

I'm trying to gauge whether my issues with Ulya are just playstyle.

i don't understand how you now have issues with me

like i had issues with you that were possibly due to playstyle and you refused to help me to see if they were

so now you have issues with me?

[ulyana]

I'll get to a reply to your post, sheesh. This is what's vexing me. I can't bring up any thought or prompt without you either trying to get inside my head each moment or proposing I justify myself.

but how would that be.. scummy? like sure i get how that could be and probably is annoying yes

[ulyana]

I'm reading Cakez' ISO now and about 10-15 posts in I think he's scum

What are the rest of you doing lol

I also think he is scum

Possible distancing? It’s also very possible that Dunn wasn’t interacting with his buddies.

interestingly enough this was a point of discussion in the pink pt as your slot had no interactions with dunnstral

[ulyana]

I'm trying to gauge whether my issues with

Ulya

are just playstyle.

I think I should ISO analyze

Dunn

and go from there.

DID I SAY SCUMMY? NO.

then i don't get how your issues would possibly be anything other than playstyle i guess

[ulyana]

His interactions with you also don’t look great, so it’s possible you or Cakez could be a buddy.

any thoughts about the rest of my play? or at least my play since you've joined the game,

[ulyana]

I'm reading Cakez' ISO now and about 10-15 posts in I think he's scum

What are the rest of you doing lol

I also think he is scum

Possible distancing? It’s also very possible that Dunn wasn’t interacting with his buddies.

interestingly enough this was a point of discussion in the pink pt as your slot had no interactions with dunnstral

Did it?
I recall them both having similar interactions with me during event 1

yes saber's lack of interaction with dunnstral was definitely a point of discussion, though i can't say i fact-checked it to make sure it was accurate as it wasn't a point of discussion i brought up

[ulyana]

nunununu i cant really post because occupied and phone but dwlee now using “reevaluating” to possibly exclude me after treating me as definitely town for pink pt is !!!!! like something is definitely afoot

like how would this happen with multiple people most of whom dwlee included haven’t given reasoning and when they have it was literally the posts of a flipped mafia

[ulyana]

Here's my reasoning: If Gypyx is town, Harley has a good chance of being scum. If Harley is town then the other way around. Makes sense to put both in then

Very simple, you flip me first because I will flip town and then my reads will get taken seriously. It seems that few people are willing to listen to me while I’m alive, so my reads will get the respect they didn’t once I’m dead and I’m good with that.

the problem there is that if the three mafias get across no ones reads matter anyway because 4:3 (assuming they kill someone crossing) with a sabotage still like they playing to win here that’s why shift

[ulyana]

Here's my reasoning: If Gypyx is town, Harley has a good chance of being scum. If Harley is town then the other way around. Makes sense to put both in then

Very simple, you flip me first because I will flip town and then my reads will get taken seriously. It seems that few people are willing to listen to me while I’m alive, so my reads will get the respect they didn’t once I’m dead and I’m good with that.

the problem there is that if the three mafias get across no ones reads matter anyway because 4:3 (assuming they kill someone crossing) with a sabotage still like they playing to win here that’s why shift

this this this okay have to do things but please this ^ is what’s happening

[ulyana]

VOTE: ulyana
I feel like she's dispassionate and disconnected from the game in a way that she wasn't in radio buzz as rousseau, but somewhat reminds me of what I remember tracy flick being like in student council

Without looking at meta I disagree with this read

then you're probably evil too because I think what I'm seeing should be plainly obvious if you even glance at ulyana's ISO or just pay attention to what she says as you read up
and this is a different brand of obviousness than what I was throwing around before, that's was like a bright flame to me, this is like a strong current of a river

Probably evil

seems strong for someone simply disagreeing with a read of yours. Are any of Infinity, skitter, of Ydrasse probably evil for disagreeing?

mmmmmmm

is your point something other than ‘baddies trying to make me look bad’ because gamma’s read of me there remains ??? same as harley saying i don’t have emotions as the reason she can’t read me which with this saber post as context is kinda hm

unless you’re drawing attention to them having opposing views of me all of which kinda suspicious then yeah i felt that too

[ulyana]

nunununu i cant really post because occupied and phone but dwlee now using “reevaluating” to possibly exclude me after treating me as definitely town for pink pt is !!!!! like something is definitely afoot

like how would this happen with multiple people most of whom dwlee included haven’t given reasoning and when they have it was literally the posts of a flipped mafia

What does the second line even mean

And you can complain about my reeval but I literally just reread this game phase and started townbinning people if their day start was good to me or mindmelded with me in some way

like five people randomly starting suspecting me here when it would be advantageous for them and the only one who has given any reasoning whatsoever is sircakez whose reasoning is posts dunnstral made like it feels impossible to me that there would not be at least one mafia involved in that possibly more

[ulyana]

you’re either making a mafia play or helping one that’s how it feels yeah

i think gypyx and skitter likely are, and i think peta is probably who has a strong townread of gammagooey

[ulyana]

if i exclude you from thoughts,

harley quinn sircakez toogeloo would be always leave behind, taly gamma emerald ydrasse decide between, and crossing the rest is how i’d try to get 4 in a row town right now

[ulyana]

if i exclude you from thoughts,

harley quinn sircakez toogeloo would be always leave behind, taly gamma emerald ydrasse decide between, and crossing the rest is how i’d try to get 4 in a row town right now

@dwlee

[ulyana]

nunununu i cant really post because occupied and phone but dwlee now using “reevaluating” to possibly exclude me after treating me as definitely town for pink pt is !!!!! like something is definitely afoot

like how would this happen with multiple people most of whom dwlee included haven’t given reasoning and when they have it was literally the posts of a flipped mafia

What does the second line even mean

And you can complain about my reeval but I literally just reread this game phase and started townbinning people if their day start was good to me or mindmelded with me in some way

like five people randomly starting suspecting me here when it would be advantageous for them and the only one who has given any reasoning whatsoever is sircakez whose reasoning is posts dunnstral made like it feels impossible to me that there would not be at least one mafia involved in that possibly more

this doesn't make any sense

how not?

[ulyana]

why would mafia randomly gang up on you here?

a) it could just be one as i said, but i don't think mafia would not participate in as a whole, though two-three definitely seems possible if trying to win game here

and

b) to stop me from crossing? like it's one less slot that could be occupied by mafia and they get rid of me and they limit my participation in choosing who should cross by making it seem like i'm scumread it's not super complicated

[ulyana]

why would mafia randomly gang up on you here?

a) it could just be one as i said, but i don't think mafia would not participate in as a whole, though two-three definitely seems possible if trying to win game here

and

b) to stop me from crossing? like it's one less slot that could be occupied by mafia and they get rid of me and they limit my participation in choosing who should cross by making it seem like i'm scumread it's not super complicated

between the five or so of you the sumtotal of the reasoning is posts by dunnstral so i don't think it's unreasonable to think there's probably scum motivation in there somewhere

[ulyana]

[ulyana]

okay so

[ulyana]

petapan should always cross fifth i think; seems like kill mafia would want the most right now to me,

[ulyana]

so need

me

+

three

then petapan

[ulyana]

peta wants to focus on who to leave behind so it is like

harley quinn and toogeloo

i look at the same exact sircakez/dunnstral interactions that peta is calling +++ town and i, uh, don't see it at all like this is the wolfiest thing about peta to me but if i give in to this i end up completely unmoored but i still think sircakez pretty likely

[ulyana]

ydrasse hedging on me and questioning gammagooey reads and feeling uneasy about taly while strongly townreading harley could be like, positioning, trying to sway views

and like, i do think ydrasse would absolutely tie herself to a partner here because i do not think she would want to play this game by herself

[ulyana]

ydrasse hedging on me and questioning gammagooey reads and feeling uneasy about taly while strongly townreading harley could be like, positioning, trying to sway views

and like, i do think ydrasse would absolutely tie herself to a partner here because i do not think she would want to play this game by herself

but also like, i want to believe in infinity's ydrasse read

and!

like i don't really know why gammagooey is townread either it's like based on unwnd's entrance into the pt which i don't have access to (but ydrasse does) so it's mostly trust in others for me but that's not so so strong to me

and i also feel uneasy about taly,

so!

it's mostly the harley quinn thing

[ulyana]

skitter only worries me in that i often feel like i want to root for her like she is definitely going to solve the game but i do not have that feeling here but that is probably a very unfair read as i have found her play +town,

so

[ulyana]

Hi I asked you a thing

you asked me about how i would compare the players on the lists to eachother? or about the order? and i am going through the players right now?

[ulyana]

Hi I asked you a thing

you asked me about how i would compare the players on the lists to eachother? or about the order? and i am going through the players right now?

like what do you think i am currently doing

[ulyana]

petapan should always cross fifth i think; seems like kill mafia would want the most right now to me,

kinda actually think that the people pushing petapan crossing first earlier more suspicious for this,

[ulyana]

petapan should always cross fifth i think; seems like kill mafia would want the most right now to me,

kinda actually think that the people pushing petapan crossing first earlier more suspicious for this,

but maybe basing too much on petapan town but again feels like my only tether to the game and it feels like petapan steering the ship and does not feel like a pirate has stolen the wheel

[ulyana]

it's mostly the harley quinn thing

which also goes both directions re:ydrasse/harley quinn because harley was strangely asking people why they aren't voting for ydrasse right now

[ulyana]

ydrasse hedging on me and questioning gammagooey reads and feeling uneasy about taly while strongly townreading harley could be like, positioning, trying to sway views

and like, i do think ydrasse would absolutely tie herself to a partner here because i do not think she would want to play this game by herself

this is wack for 2 reasons

1) harley wouldn’t be my only partner left
2) i’m pretty sure you’ve seen how i treat my partners in games (bus happy)

how exactly am i swaying people by saying “i feel bad about this” and then when confronted literally just “my tummy hurts” (a cheeky way of saying gut that i don’t think garnered reply)? what position does this leave me in that’s beneficial?

i think toogeloo pretty likely mafia so that may have been swaying my thoughts with regards to the 'one partner' thing, and like, here it's different based on game state i think,

it's like, similar to how people just say they scumread me with saying why or expanding on it at all, like it makes other people fill in the blanks for you potentially

but kinda hard to weight for reasons i already outlined

[ulyana]

which it kinda looks like you're working towards expressing, but I want to know if you're actually going to get to a conclusion on that rn

i mean, i was planning at working more towards a conclusion but it's not exactly easy to weigh disparate things against one another

[ulyana]

which it kinda looks like you're working towards expressing, but I want to know if you're actually going to get to a conclusion on that rn

i mean, i was planning at working more towards a conclusion but it's not exactly easy to weigh disparate things against one another

so i was doing so the best way i know how and seeing where it went,

like the reasoning for say ydrasse and you isn't exactly similar and also that list was made at dwlee's request excluding dwlee from it due to dwlee knowing dwlee's alignment and there are still a lot of ?s there for me as well

[ulyana]

which it kinda looks like you're working towards expressing, but I want to know if you're actually going to get to a conclusion on that rn

i mean, i was planning at working more towards a conclusion but it's not exactly easy to weigh disparate things against one another

so i was doing so the best way i know how and seeing where it went,

like the reasoning for say ydrasse and you isn't exactly similar and also that list was made at dwlee's request excluding dwlee from it due to dwlee knowing dwlee's alignment and there are still a lot of ?s there for me as well

this post gets more confusing as it goes on
understandable to the one before it in the quote chain

i can try to explain it better if you tell me which part is confusing i know this something i struggle with but it so hard for me to find what people aren't following because i wrote it ya know so i'm following it so if you don't say 'could you reword this part' or 'what does

this

mean' it's hard for me to find

[ulyana]

the most confusing part is what does dwlee knowing his alignment have to do with how you formed your leave-behind list?

i left dwlee off of it entirely because it was at dwlee's request; like dwlee was trying to see where our views of the game differed or so it seemed to me so including dwlee on my list does not serve any purpose towards this goal but obviously is necessary for goal of crossing as a whole

[ulyana]

dwlee had entire view of game based on infinity's alignment that didn't make a lot of sense to me in the first place as i said in the pink pt and now their restructuring of views seems potentially advantageous

[ulyana]

dwlee had entire view of game based on infinity's alignment that didn't make a lot of sense to me in the first place as i said in the pink pt and now their restructuring of views seems potentially advantageous

and they made the vote stay on petapan instead of helping me move it to sircakez/saber/unwnd/gypyx, with ydrasse as only other okay option to them,

[ulyana]

oh
is dwlee in the first or second group for you (with harley/toog/cakez or with me/taly/ydrasse)?

more the second one,

[ulyana]

dwlee had entire view of game based on infinity's alignment that didn't make a lot of sense to me in the first place as i said in the pink pt and now their restructuring of views seems potentially advantageous

explain?
This might be a case of a serious mindmeld

it was like, well how i said it in the pt was like it felt like dwlee was playing like a different player than the dwlee i am familiar with with having a super strong scumread and basing entire view game off of that like to dwlee in the pt ydrasse and skitter were also both likely mafia because infinity was likely mafia and it especially felt like the connection to ydrasse didn't even make sense with view of scum!infinity because would scum be more likely to be tmi-ing a super strong read based on an emotional reaction rather than defending their partner

[ulyana]

I was more interested in what seemed advantageous about dwlee restructuring their reads

oh it felt like a collection of players that felt pressurable to me

like me as already discussed as it was happening, gypyx, skitter, gammagooey

and not like a reassessment that made sense

dwlee treated me as town in the pt and such

so to have their reconsideration of my slot be based on reading only the current day and other people acting towny? seems ???

like how could that possibly make me not town

and skitter seemingly not a reconsideration as held that view previously,

[ulyana]

ah

now i can't stop thinking about how heroically you bussed me in that marathon game and won game for us all by yourself

[ulyana]

ah

now i can't stop thinking about how heroically you bussed me in that marathon game and won game for us all by yourself

[ulyana]

petapan should always cross fifth i think; seems like kill mafia would want the most right now to me,

[ulyana]

everytime gamma emerald and toogeloo interact i can't not feel like they're partnered like yeah i think toogeloo's plan is bad too and toogeloo probably mafia trying to get across but gamma's reaction to it is something

like obviously 'send the scummy people across!' is not as good as 'leave the scummy people behind' i don't understand how it possibly could be to anyone

but STOP POSTING

as opposed to, hm, that plan sure does sound mafia adjacent

feels pretty out of place

but!

there is this sense from gamma that there is like a grand plan here like a super secret correct order that only dci gamma emerald could possibly discover

and!

that feels pretty towny

[ulyana]

People should spend an effort either convincing me of a better alternative, why

Dwlee

should not cross now if at all, or support my stance.

i don't think it should be dwlee; my recent posts regarding:

dwlee had entire view of game based on infinity's alignment that didn't make a lot of sense to me in the first place as i said in the pink pt and now their restructuring of views seems potentially advantageous

dwlee had entire view of game based on infinity's alignment that didn't make a lot of sense to me in the first place as i said in the pink pt and now their restructuring of views seems potentially advantageous

and they made the vote stay on petapan instead of helping me move it to sircakez/saber/unwnd/gypyx, with ydrasse as only other okay option to them,

dwlee had entire view of game based on infinity's alignment that didn't make a lot of sense to me in the first place as i said in the pink pt and now their restructuring of views seems potentially advantageous

explain?
This might be a case of a serious mindmeld

it was like, well how i said it in the pt was like it felt like dwlee was playing like a different player than the dwlee i am familiar with with having a super strong scumread and basing entire view game off of that like to dwlee in the pt ydrasse and skitter were also both likely mafia because infinity was likely mafia and it especially felt like the connection to ydrasse didn't even make sense with view of scum!infinity because would scum be more likely to be tmi-ing a super strong read based on an emotional reaction rather than defending their partner

I was more interested in what seemed advantageous about dwlee restructuring their reads

oh it felt like a collection of players that felt pressurable to me

like me as already discussed as it was happening, gypyx, skitter, gammagooey

and not like a reassessment that made sense

dwlee treated me as town in the pt and such

so to have their reconsideration of my slot be based on reading only the current day and other people acting towny? seems ???

like how could that possibly make me not town

and skitter seemingly not a reconsideration as held that view previously,

[ulyana]

I don't think scum will out themselves by killing a townie when the majority of a line-up contains the team.

? the scums are always going to kill someone, i think(?) skitter(?) also said this earlier but scums aren't going to just not kill someone crossing

[ulyana]

we should use captain idea (preferably me), send captain across, then if they do not die they pick next three, one at a time, then petapan should be five, when we send petapan the mafia would have to kill the fourth person on the bridge if they haven't made a kill already if all four town,

[ulyana]

we should use captain idea (preferably me), send captain across, then if they do not die they pick next three, one at a time, then petapan should be five, when we send petapan the mafia would have to kill the fourth person on the bridge if they haven't made a kill already if all four town,

reevaluate situation if/when someone dies

[ulyana]

we should use captain idea (preferably me), send captain across, then if they do not die they pick next three, one at a time, then petapan should be five, when we send petapan the mafia would have to kill the fourth person on the bridge if they haven't made a kill already if all four town,

reevaluate situation if/when someone dies

no deaths means at least one mafia already across, a death means very little in terms of alignment

[ulyana]

You should just put townies across

Putting people you think are scum across is complete nonsense

yeah this

[ulyana]

we should use captain idea (preferably me), send captain across, then if they do not die they pick next three, one at a time, then petapan should be five, when we send petapan the mafia would have to kill the fourth person on the bridge if they haven't made a kill already if all four town,

i guess captain would always get to choose the second person because cannot die until second person crossing if i am understanding correctly, then if do not die, also could potentially chain, hm,

[ulyana]

I'm ok with

cakez/ulya/gamma/dwlee

being the first crossers, I mean, I think it's very possible you're all town.

mmmm

that's like

scummy/TOWN/probably on average slightly +town/and ???

to me

why this sort of plan preferable to the one i just laid out

[ulyana]

ope should have pedited

g'night

[ulyana]

and now we are carried off by an unsteady boat

[ulyana]

ulyana, cakez, skitter - 3 votes to not cross
gypyx - 6 votes to not cross
harley, toog - 7 votes to not cross

two of the three votes you're counting on me here are from gypyx and toogeloo so

[ulyana]

ulyana, cakez, skitter - 3 votes to not cross
gypyx - 6 votes to not cross
harley, toog - 7 votes to not cross

two of the three votes you're counting on me here are from gypyx and toogeloo so

actually i'm unsure about the toogeloo one but one is gypyx who voted me because they felt there was pressure there? like that was the reasoning they provided

[ulyana]

VOTE: ulyana

[ulyana]

[ulyana]

I wonder if I predict a player's death snd then mafia choose that player to die just to make the argument I'm informed.

That'd be funny lmao

Makes me want to test the theory~

Gamma

if you think the mafia want gamma to die why you think people pushing for gamma emerald to go second specifically

[ulyana]

VOTE: gamma emerald
this is fine

I actually don't like Uly's self-vote when Dwlee was obviously the one going

oh yeah why not? did you also object to my plan that suggested as such (which i also think had a much better chance of making mafia's planning here much worse but alas)? a plan which peta also agreed with

[ulyana]

no I don't want Uly to cross yet let's send some more townie people like Peta or you

why would peta go third as opposed to fifth?

[ulyana]

no I don't want Uly to cross yet let's send some more townie people like Peta or you

why would peta go third as opposed to fifth?

also now you want me to cross just not yet? hmmmmmmmmmmm

[ulyana]

i missed whatever you suggested sorry

okay but

why don't you like the vote?

like the vote was because of plan and me thinking dwlee a subpar choice

but why didn't you like it?

like do you just not read most of my posts and then say 'i don't like this one!'

[ulyana]

because there was literally nothing wrong with sending Dwlee

did you also not read any of my posts regarding dwlee? like i don't understand

[ulyana]

Y'all if I die here remember me fondly

Oh and win

[ulyana]

VOTE: petapan

[ulyana]

UNVOTE:

sec

[ulyana]

sec

should think on dwlee fall re:skitters alignment and peta’s stance on skitter i guess

[ulyana]

i

do you think more likely mafia queued ‘first crosser dies’ or decided specifically dwlee there

[ulyana]

sec

should think on dwlee fall re:skitters alignment and peta’s stance on skitter i guess

also re:taly but that less to do with goodness of petapan vote

[ulyana]

i

do you think more likely mafia queued ‘first crosser dies’ or decided specifically dwlee there

first crosser dies bc it's the most elegant answer mafia has to dealing with the mechanic

kill first person and don't have to worry about wifom or what's optimal or pseudokilling it's easy to discern the 'why' behind it without revealing more intent

hm, do you think that skews towards certain players

[ulyana]

i

do you think more likely mafia queued ‘first crosser dies’ or decided specifically dwlee there

first crosser dies bc it's the most elegant answer mafia has to dealing with the mechanic

kill first person and don't have to worry about wifom or what's optimal or pseudokilling it's easy to discern the 'why' behind it without revealing more intent

hm, do you think that skews towards certain players

valuing not having to worry over potential ability to manipulate information i mean

[ulyana]

i

do you think more likely mafia queued ‘first crosser dies’ or decided specifically dwlee there

first crosser dies bc it's the most elegant answer mafia has to dealing with the mechanic

kill first person and don't have to worry about wifom or what's optimal or pseudokilling it's easy to discern the 'why' behind it without revealing more intent

hm, do you think that skews towards certain players

valuing not having to worry over potential ability to manipulate information i mean

i think it’s a universal choice

hmhmhm

[ulyana]

Why didn't we have this hypothetical conversation before the first cross?

i mean, this conversation:

whoever of the people sent earliest is the hardest to eliminate

hm,

% on me dying if sent first?

and!

would that be worth

was one of the very first things i asked and i talked about it later on when proposing plan and such so, uh, yeah

[ulyana]

being like 'why didn't we talk about this!' when people did talk about it and being upset about that feels weird

[ulyana]

I wonder if I predict a player's death snd then mafia choose that player to die just to make the argument I'm informed.

That'd be funny lmao

Makes me want to test the theory~

Gamma

if you think the mafia want gamma to die why you think people pushing for gamma emerald to go second specifically

This is a little weird pre-kill.

Like, did you think

Dwlee

was ways the likelier kill versus

Gamma/Yourself/Cakez

or do you think the first cross more likely died than the second or 3rd/4th?

? what? i was asking what you thought of the people pushing for gamma emerald specifically to go second if you thought mafia wanted gamma to die

[ulyana]

? what? i was asking what you thought of the people pushing for gamma emerald specifically to go second if you thought mafia wanted gamma to die

like a few people voted for me and then people went nonono has to be gamma emerald next!! right? so if you thought mafia wanted to kill gamma, did this mean something to you?

[ulyana]

My first step is going to be reading through the mod ISO to see what we know to be 100% clear. Then, I'll read through the game with that knowledge. Anyone want to give me the 411 while I get my rig set up?

Hi, haven’t read anything but skimmed my predecessor’s ISO, so if anyone could help me catch up what I’ve missed, that would be super.

like, if you're just looking for the events,

event one we chose gamma emerald for the throne of execution
gamma was sabotaged into killing pooky and killed cephrir
then we spared gamma
then we voted dunnstral and toogeloo into a duel
dunnstral died in the duel
rooms were split between everyone voting for toogeloo and everyone else
toogeloo-voting room nominated infinity non-toogeloo-voting room nominated petapan
and that's where we're currently at

this was through harley's replacement, since then
infinity was eliminated through the secret ballot
now we are voting people to cross a bridge one at a time,
dwlee was sent across first and fell to their death when gamma emerald was sent across

reading mod posts probably a good place to start yeah

[ulyana]

Based on reading the mod ISO, I'm wondering why Gooey slot hasn't been dead. Scum saved Galron (if I am understanding correctly).

Was Gamma nominated because of feeling he was town at the time or scum?

I want to look at Pooky's reads given the early sabotage.

Galron's and Ydrasse's self-voting in the duel event struck me as odd.

What were the final votes in Peta v Infinity?

it was a free kill for the scums on whoever they wanted so they would have used always i think not just if galron was a scums

for most of us because of feeling he was scum i believe

it was a secret ballot so no revealed votes

[ulyana]

Based on reading the mod ISO, I'm wondering why Gooey slot hasn't been dead. Scum saved Galron (if I am understanding correctly).

Was Gamma nominated because of feeling he was town at the time or scum?

I want to look at Pooky's reads given the early sabotage.

Galron's and Ydrasse's self-voting in the duel event struck me as odd.

What were the final votes in Peta v Infinity?

it was a free kill for the scums on whoever they wanted so they would have used always i think not just if galron was a scums

for most of us because of feeling he was scum i believe

it was a secret ballot so no revealed votes

Not sure on that. The rules state that scum only get two sabotages. Unless they know every event and every sabotage, using one so early unless desperate would be the wrong move.

Pooky's thoughts are important being the first to die.

Why didn't y'all claim the votes?

using it for a great advantage in a nightless game when you don't know when you'd be able to eliminate specific towns seems kinda an always use to me

we did in advance for the most part

[ulyana]

Why didn't y'all claim the votes?

also like, how does this find us a scums exactly

[ulyana]

I was actually expecting ulyana to be the scum's kill in this event thinking they were implementing similar logic, which is why I wanted her to cross second after I'd thought about the staggering play. I feel like if she's town she's probably someone scum legitimately do want out.

??????? i literally argued to go first for this reason

[ulyana]

I was actually expecting ulyana to be the scum's kill in this event thinking they were implementing similar logic, which is why I wanted her to cross second after I'd thought about the staggering play. I feel like if she's town she's probably someone scum legitimately do want out.

??????? i literally argued to go first for this reason

not that i'm upset that i'm alive but it feels like everyone ignoring me or something i guess

[ulyana]

Why didn't y'all claim the votes?

also like, how does this find us a scums exactly

It can be compared to their positions in the thread(s) and see if there's a mismatch in who should have flipped. It's not a certain thing but I would have expected that to happen.

wouldn't everyone just claim the vote they said they were going to make? because the numbers were the way it turned out it seemed anyway? like it wasn't a surprise result i don't think

[ulyana]

ulyana, what do you think of my premature reads?/

i think pooky got killed because was basically confirmed town and i don't agree about the galron slot like i said, otherwise holding judgment while you do your thing

[ulyana]

Gamma/Ydra/Cakez/Ulya

, am I a hard to read player?

i mean, multiple times this game you have refused to be transparent so if you're town you're intentionally making yourself harder to read so i don't really understand why you're asking

[ulyana]

Gamma/Ydra/Cakez/Ulya

, am I a hard to read player?

i mean, multiple times this game you have refused to be transparent so if you're town you're intentionally making yourself harder to read so i don't really understand why you're asking

Can you give examples?

when i asked about why you were asking specifically the players you were asking about petapan was the most recent one

[ulyana]

Gamma/Ydra/Cakez/Ulya

, am I a hard to read player?

i mean, multiple times this game you have refused to be transparent so if you're town you're intentionally making yourself harder to read so i don't really understand why you're asking

Can you give examples?

when i asked about why you were asking specifically the players you were asking about petapan was the most recent one

earlier in the game you were doing it as well could find in your iso if you really want me to

[ulyana]

multiple volunteers seems so odd to me,

it is like, what is it you are hoping will occur when chosen?

I have no expectations, that's the fun of it!

If I explained my motive, that would defeat the point.

[ulyana]

three posts into your iso

[ulyana]

I prompted Ulya to roast me and she's chosen pretty mild posts to ask clarification on so far

what? i don't see how this is even remotely accurate

[ulyana]

I prompted Ulya to roast me and she's chosen pretty mild posts to ask clarification on so far

what? i don't see how this is even remotely accurate

you asked if you were 'hard to read', i said if you're town you intentionally make yourself harder to read by not being transparent and not being willing to answer questions, then you asked for examples of you doing that and provided the first that came to mind and then the first i found in your iso

like obviously you know you're doing it so i don't even get your line of questioning

[ulyana]

I prompted Ulya to roast me and she's chosen pretty mild posts to ask clarification on so far

what? i don't see how this is even remotely accurate

you asked if you were 'hard to read', i said if you're town you intentionally make yourself harder to read by not being transparent and not being willing to answer questions, then you asked for examples of you doing that and provided the first that came to mind and then the first i found in your iso

like obviously you know you're doing it so i don't even get your line of questioning

like why exactly are you even asking if you're 'hard to read'? or is that another question you're unwilling to answer?

[ulyana]

Yo, I'm just trying to get slots to spew so I can better discern who is likelier informed or not, it's not that deep. That's the most simplistic motivation behind almost every post you can have a question about in my ISO.

But I will digress in the posts you linked since the purpose behind me doing them has passed.

i'm not asking about them right now i don't understand what is happening here

[ulyana]

didnt even see the flip i had a long day

unfortunate but not unexpected

what are the votes at

i think there's one on you? and my vote's probably there as well i just wanted to recheck the pt and look at a few other things before putting it back

[ulyana]

Yo, I'm just trying to get slots to spew so I can better discern who is likelier informed or not, it's not that deep. That's the most simplistic motivation behind almost every post you can have a question about in my ISO.

it's like, why do you think i ask you questions, if everything you're doing is so simple it should be easily explained right? but it hasn't been nor has it been apparent,

[ulyana]

I know Ulyana said she wasn't asking about them right now but I do think sharing the reasons/logic behind a few things you asked earlier would be helpful so Ulyana can see where you're coming from better.

it's infinitely more useful in the moment like i ask people who are there when i am for a reason

[ulyana]

I know Ulyana said she wasn't asking about them right now but I do think sharing the reasons/logic behind a few things you asked earlier would be helpful so Ulyana can see where you're coming from better.

it's infinitely more useful in the moment like i ask people who are there when i am for a reason

my general point was

taly, if town,

is making himself intentionally difficult to read

so taly asking 'am i difficult to read?'

is ridiculous

or possibly cheeky

[ulyana]

is ridiculous

or possibly cheeky

so i was trying to figure out which of these seemed most likely, but taly just acting like i wanted those answers right now, which is, uh, ??????????????

[ulyana]

And now my mechanism for solving

Cakez

via this method is somewhat diluted because I explained it

Do you understand better why I choose not to be transparent about my intentions,

Ulya

?

no not really as i still don't understand how sircakez potentially answering that question was supposed to magically reveal their alignment

but maybe will be less cloudy next time i look at

[ulyana]

like i'm an active player in the game right now and you asking me about whether or not you're difficult to read is probably as close as anyone's currently getting to trying to read me so sure i guess i can appreciate that

everyone just goes 'probably scummy just because!', and because others are doing it no one feels like they have to provide any actual reasoning or try to sort me,

and when you were talking about my slot earlier it felt like maybe you saw a little bit of what i saw,

[ulyana]

everyone just goes 'probably scummy just because!'

there are notable exceptions of course more than half the game really but it feels like a lot like way too many

[ulyana]

and when you were talking about my slot earlier it felt like maybe you saw a little bit of what i saw,

and you and peta both asked sircakez to elaborate on read of me

[ulyana]

I find it interesting you feel this way because everyone pretty much locktowned you immediately in radio buzz, so like, do you have any idea why it's different here?

that isn't true as discussed earlier in this game with regards to radio buzz

but there are any number of possible differences, like that's on everyone not me because i'm present and willing to answer any questions et cetera but the people throwing their hands in the air going idk probably scummy are actively not trying to sort me right

[ulyana]

I find it interesting you feel this way because everyone pretty much locktowned you immediately in radio buzz, so like, do you have any idea why it's different here?

that isn't true as discussed earlier in this game with regards to radio buzz

but there are any number of possible differences, like that's on everyone not me because i'm present and willing to answer any questions et cetera but the people throwing their hands in the air going idk probably scummy are actively not trying to sort me right

like if you don't think i'm locktown, why not? and why aren't you doing something to figure out my alignment?

like i try to give opportunity for the people who are possibly wrong about me to interact with me and such both for them to see they are wrong or for me to see that they are doing it because mafia not because wrong,

[ulyana]

happy halloween

[ulyana]

I like ulyana as scum,

why?

[ulyana]

I agree

Cakez/Ulya

is likeliest T/S

i mean, i’m town regardless of sircakez’s alignment but i think they’re likely mafia still yes

[ulyana]

I agree

Cakez/Ulya

is likeliest T/S

i mean, i’m town regardless of sircakez’s alignment but i think they’re likely mafia still yes

like it’s either town!ulyana and scum!sircakez

or

town!ulyana and town!sircakez

not a two way street

[ulyana]

It feels like a perspective slip on Cakez's part who could've known that Dwlee was either the preferred mafia choice/kill or desire to keep Ulya from crossing as to protect his push on her.

sircakez objecting to me classifying weird stances towards my slot as a possible mafia plan also potentially relevant to this line of thought

[ulyana]

Hooray

i was going to not post it because i already posted rhododendron but then i listened to it (twice) because i was thinking about it so here we are:

[ulyana]

I think the mod wouldn’t give scum multiple kills in 1 event via sabotage
So the fact they already had 1 means I don’t think they’re getting another
All that to say we should just send over peta/taly/gooey rn

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[ulyana]

I think the mod wouldn’t give scum multiple kills in 1 event via sabotage
So the fact they already had 1 means I don’t think they’re getting another
All that to say we should just send over peta/taly/gooey rn

hmmmmmmmmmmm

if you’re scum scum already had multiple kills in one event

and!

you think mafia has prior knowledge of what that event was so you would have to believe that mafia could have potentially planned to have someone in your position?

so if town you would also have to see the potential that scum had two kills in that event so saying it’s a design impossibility in this event feels ???

[ulyana]

I mean in the sense of a kill with no strings attached

i struggle to see what else the sabotage would be in this event

[ulyana]

like this factored into the feeling that mafia were potentially trying to win the game here like if mafia all cross its 4:3 and they have sabotage so

[ulyana]

Maybe something that reduces the number of people left behind? That seems like the one with the most potential ability to screw town’s planning up, where we end up resolving one less slot than we otherwise would.

seems inelegant/unlikely

[ulyana]

I like ulyana as scum,

why?

[ulyana]

omg I think I want to townbloc

Ulya

what are the reasons not?

Their interaction with me is terrible and they lurked out the opening.

expand on why interaction terrible???

[ulyana]

just look at who's been pushing me all game + the reasoning if they gave any is all i ask

you’re lucky they even give reasoning for you

[ulyana]

omg I think I want to townbloc

Ulya

what are the reasons not?

Their interaction with me is terrible and they lurked out the opening.

expand on why interaction terrible???

also i wasn’t lurking i was upset about making people upset so i stepped away and then there was a whole thing we can’t discuss

[ulyana]

just look at who's been pushing me all game + the reasoning if they gave any is all i ask

you’re lucky they even give reasoning for you

the best reasoning i can give you that i've thought about when reading your posts is: it's disconcerting in retrospect how hard you pushed for wanting to be the captain sent over first, or rather how you were trying to go about it, knowing now that the first person was most likely going to die and it left me questioning if that was some way to buff up your towniness in the eyes of people like "oh wow, if i had been sent through i would have been killed" sort of thing, it's all steeped in wifom but there have been moments where your determination to be team leader has felt really weird because it's rare that you're so forward in stuff like that fmpov.

forward here because uneasy with direction of game/felt like better alternative

it’s not like you haven’t seen that from me before in mini normal you modded

lunacy also a good example but you weren’t in that one

[ulyana]

i feel like we can definitely get four town in a row here

? dwlee already died,

[ulyana]

If four successive town players reach the other side before scum make a kill, all scum die.

[ulyana]

The leave-outs should be 4 of (TA, Gypyx, Cakez, FB, Toog) IMO atp
A lot of people (or at least definitely Taly and me) were upset at the way event 4 played out so imo everybody that isn’t townblock material who is responsible for that should get axed ASAP

you know taly isn’t free from blame for that right? like we could have had non-peta slot nominated if taly voted for

[ulyana]

The leave-outs should be 4 of (TA, Gypyx, Cakez, FB, Toog) IMO atp
A lot of people (or at least definitely Taly and me) were upset at the way event 4 played out so imo everybody that isn’t townblock material who is responsible for that should get axed ASAP

you know taly isn’t free from blame for that right? like we could have had non-peta slot nominated if taly voted for

literally three of the slots you’re saying to leave here were my suggestions in the pt

[ulyana]

Okay and? I’m just looking at who voted in the people who were eligible to be eliminated in event 4
Idg what you’re trying to accomplish by debating this with me.

i am saying that taking taly being upset with the infinity/petapan pairing at face value doesn’t really make sense because taly could have prevented that pairing

[ulyana]

Okay and? I’m just looking at who voted in the people who were eligible to be eliminated in event 4
Idg what you’re trying to accomplish by debating this with me.

i am saying that taking taly being upset with the infinity/petapan pairing at face value doesn’t really make sense because taly could have prevented that pairing

like from all accounts you fought to not have infinity in pairing unsuccessfully so you being upset checks out

but taly could have had 1-3 or 4 different pairings not including petapan and didn’t

[ulyana]

Ulyrana has been slanking which exactly matches Toog's prediction and Toog practically called out Dunn but didn't mention his name. Now that the mood is set, Ulyrana posts because there is a consensus to sheep.

a) this isn't even accurate as to what actually occurred as i already explained

but also importantly

b) why exactly is toogeloo's prediction something you are basing your view of the game off of?

[ulyana]

Ulyrana has been slanking which exactly matches Toog's prediction and Toog practically called out Dunn but didn't mention his name. Now that the mood is set, Ulyrana posts because there is a consensus to sheep.

a) this isn't even accurate as to what actually occurred as i already explained

but also importantly

b) why exactly is toogeloo's prediction something you are basing your view of the game off of?

and!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

c) whose consensus am i sheeping exactly?

[ulyana]

Ulyrana has been slanking which exactly matches Toog's prediction and Toog practically called out Dunn but didn't mention his name. Now that the mood is set, Ulyrana posts because there is a consensus to sheep.

a) this isn't even accurate as to what actually occurred as i already explained

but also importantly

b) why exactly is toogeloo's prediction something you are basing your view of the game off of?

and!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

c) whose consensus am i sheeping exactly?

like if you're trying to say i'm sheeping consensus on your slot and toogeloo's you'll see that my reads of your slots predate the consensus, so if you could expand on what exactly you mean here would be nice

[ulyana]

VOTE: Taly

While I disagree with Taly not defending herself, it's semantic as she gave a good reason to do so.

As for Ulyrana, name a contribution you made in the first thirty pages. I am basing following Toog because Toog was right. There's no good reason to ignore the guy who was right because he's less friendly. He gets that a lot.

*he, with regards to taly

i attempted to sort prism and prism became upset with me and i didn't want to repeat the experience of binding of isaac

sure is convenient you're basing view of game off of this though

[ulyana]

People with more experience with me read me more off of my personality in a game rather than any one action or post I make.

I'll keep this in mind. I play on different sites and don't usually read based on personality but conclusion.

I really dislike Ulyrana trying to deny Toog credit for catching Dunn. What do you think of her recent posts?

where did toogeloo catch dunnstral this is wild

[ulyana]

[quote="In post 380, Toogeloo"][/quote]

[ulyana]

Based on post count, Galron.

convenient you left this post out lol

[ulyana]

Based on post count, Galron.

convenient you left this post out lol

They both are limbait.

Toog's strategy was correct. Scum did save Galron too.

I have almost out posted Gooey in two days.

okay but you don't think it's suspicious that toogeloo didn't also say 'dunnstral' while suggesting this? if you think dunnstral should have been classified as limbait there,

instead your interpretation is that toogeloo caught a mafia, which toogeloo was unaware of catching?

[ulyana]

Based on post count, Galron.

convenient you left this post out lol

They both are limbait.

Toog's strategy was correct. Scum did save Galron too.

I have almost out posted Gooey in two days.

okay but you don't think it's suspicious that toogeloo didn't also say 'dunnstral' while suggesting this? if you think dunnstral should have been classified as limbait there,

instead your interpretation is that toogeloo caught a mafia, which toogeloo was unaware of catching?

no i'm trying to say your interpretation of this event as toogeloo catching dunnstral feels extremely informed

[ulyana]

Based on post count, Galron.

convenient you left this post out lol

They both are limbait.

Toog's strategy was correct. Scum did save Galron too.

I have almost out posted Gooey in two days.

okay but you don't think it's suspicious that toogeloo didn't also say 'dunnstral' while suggesting this? if you think dunnstral should have been classified as limbait there,

instead your interpretation is that toogeloo caught a mafia, which toogeloo was unaware of catching?

no i'm trying to say your interpretation of this event as toogeloo catching dunnstral feels extremely informed

like if you don't know toogeloo's alignment how is that the conclusion you reach about that occurrence

[ulyana]

What did you contribute in the first thirty pages?

no i answered this

[ulyana]

i attempted to sort prism and prism became upset with me and i didn't want to repeat the experience of binding of isaac

[ulyana]

like if you don't know toogeloo's alignment how is that the conclusion you reach about that occurrence

[ulyana]

Based on post count, Galron.

convenient you left this post out lol

They both are limbait.

Toog's strategy was correct. Scum did save Galron too.

also you're ignoring that toogeloo would easily be classified as limbait as well and toogeloo was definitely aware of that when posting regardless of toogeloo's alignment thus my ... reaction

[ulyana]

also you're ignoring that toogeloo would easily be classified as limbait as well and toogeloo was definitely aware of that when posting regardless of toogeloo's alignment thus my ... reaction

like toogeloo definitely self-referencing with the 'put up people who bad at vt and who want to be carried' yeah? and since we know how that event turned out that isn't at all suspicious to you?

[ulyana]

also you're ignoring that toogeloo would easily be classified as limbait as well and toogeloo was definitely aware of that when posting regardless of toogeloo's alignment thus my ... reaction

like toogeloo definitely self-referencing with the 'put up people who bad at vt and who want to be carried' yeah? and since we know how that event turned out that isn't at all suspicious to you?

also if you think toogeloo 'caught' dunnstral in that event when being chosen was good for mafia wouldn't that also be potentially suspicious to you?

[ulyana]

also you're ignoring that toogeloo would easily be classified as limbait as well and toogeloo was definitely aware of that when posting regardless of toogeloo's alignment thus my ... reaction

like toogeloo definitely self-referencing with the 'put up people who bad at vt and who want to be carried' yeah? and since we know how that event turned out that isn't at all suspicious to you?

also if you think toogeloo 'caught' dunnstral in that event when being chosen was good for mafia wouldn't that also be potentially suspicious to you?

instead your interpretation is just a flat 'town!toogeloo caught scum!dunnstral' which seems a lot more !!! to me than ??? at this point

[ulyana]

also you're ignoring that toogeloo would easily be classified as limbait as well and toogeloo was definitely aware of that when posting regardless of toogeloo's alignment thus my ... reaction

like toogeloo definitely self-referencing with the 'put up people who bad at vt and who want to be carried' yeah? and since we know how that event turned out that isn't at all suspicious to you?

also if you think toogeloo 'caught' dunnstral in that event when being chosen was good for mafia wouldn't that also be potentially suspicious to you?

especially since toogeloo directly named galron whose slot you also seem to be suspicious of?

[ulyana]

What did you contribute in the first thirty pages?

additionally, this:

song so good and one of my alltime favourite samples

put it towards the point in run playlist at which you usually do not want to run anymore and you will understand

[ulyana]

(i'd guess something like 24 hours/12 hours/8 hours/6 hours, but it could be either faster or slower than that)

there aren't this many crosses left

[ulyana]

I think

unwnd/Galron

was a red herring.

Judging by

Gamma

PoE, I wouldn't be surprised if scum queued a sabotage based on him having multiple scum in there.

Hmm

this a good hmm w/ regards to our knowledge of sabotages i spent a bit thinking about this

[ulyana]

I've still got a few days of driving ahead of me.

hope you are enjoying your trip so far

[ulyana]

I feel quite confident that Fire can sheep things without reading as any alignment and is perfectly fine announcing it to the world

if you're town then it would mean firebringer also voted for two towns to cross so if scum!firebringer i would think partners or at the very least one would have to already be crossed? because otherwise would be sheeping team into doomed position and not trying to do anything about it

like,

the 'look see i don't have an agenda' thing doesn't really work if it puts team in unwinnable situation,

[ulyana]

i

hm, what non-you slot would you vote to cross next? (assuming gammagooey crosses)

[ulyana]

I feel quite confident that Fire can sheep things without reading as any alignment and is perfectly fine announcing it to the world

if you're town then it would mean firebringer also voted for two towns to cross so if scum!firebringer i would think partners or at the very least one would have to already be crossed? because otherwise would be sheeping team into doomed position and not trying to do anything about it

like,

the 'look see i don't have an agenda' thing doesn't really work if it puts team in unwinnable situation,

so if confident everyone crossed is town, then firebringer is probably town?

hm

[ulyana]

I feel quite confident that Fire can sheep things without reading as any alignment and is perfectly fine announcing it to the world

if you're town then it would mean firebringer also voted for two towns to cross so if scum!firebringer i would think partners or at the very least one would have to already be crossed? because otherwise would be sheeping team into doomed position and not trying to do anything about it

like,

the 'look see i don't have an agenda' thing doesn't really work if it puts team in unwinnable situation,

the alternative is worse for Firebringer-scum and also just not firebringer's playstyle at all

Firebringer as a player doesn't jump in, read a bunch and make a STRONG OPINION to try to save his faction. he's a lazy boi regardless of alignment and by being a lazy boi people town read him for silly reasons, again regardless of his actual alignment. Fire immediately jumping in and trying to save someone from being left behind off of very little reading just makes him look sus and makes it more likely he gets left behind.

so hope for scum!firebringer with partners in the poe would be to cross by seeming agendaless and then hope that just continues to carry him forever, hmhm

i think i am unfamiliar with firebringer outside of a game i read a while ago that i wasn't in

[ulyana]

i think i am unfamiliar with firebringer outside of a game i read a while ago that i wasn't in

jazz mafia was one of the first games i read upon discovering the site because it had recently won a best game scummy or something like that

[ulyana]

so hope for scum!firebringer with partners in the poe would be to cross by seeming agendaless and then hope that just continues to carry him forever, hmhm

i think i am unfamiliar with firebringer outside of a game i read a while ago that i wasn't in

It's from a while back (5 years now jeez) but Firebringer and I both replaced into scum playerslots in Kids TV Show Characters mafia (him lateish day 1, me mid-day 2) if you want to take a quick skim of our isos there for a baseline of either of our potential scum play. https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67884

Also fun fact literally not a single mafia got voted out that game, there was just a good commuterizer and a good vig and they teamed up and slowly destroyed us during the night phases

this is a pretty a+ example of a s/s interaction:
Subject: Kids TV Show Characters Mafia - Endgame

words

Bad post.

bad player

[ulyana]

anyone got any album recommendations

if you're just looking for a blanket recommendation, camila moreno's rey is my most listened to album since it's release, though i am unsure if you understand spanish

if you'd like something specific to you,

what is an album that makes you feel?
what is an album that makes you think?
what's an album you find yourself returning to?
what's an album you find returning to you, like one that haunts you?

and i will listen to those while i work and then do the thing if you'd like

[ulyana]

may i cwoss

which of the others would you like to see cross?

[ulyana]

may i cwoss

which of the others would you like to see cross?

also how are you feeling about gamma emerald/taly at this exact moment

[ulyana]

add your vote to this wagon when you quote it

a vote means you want them uncrossed as a definite or strong confidence

Fire:

Toog:

Gypyx:

Taly

Cakez:

Taly

Tamora:

Taly

why ydrasse exempt?

[ulyana]

Toog's not actually dead btw, he's just still uncrossed and these last two crossings are relatively unclear, compared to the previous...6?

In this case..

VOTE: Toog

why toog town tho?

[ulyana]

Toog's not actually dead btw, he's just still uncrossed and these last two crossings are relatively unclear, compared to the previous...6?

In this case..

VOTE: Toog

why toog town tho?

also like description of duel presented to you kinda ???

like why dunnstral wouldn't have just shot toog if they weren't partnered still the biggest question regarding

[ulyana]

Toog ALWAYS rolls Town.

...

[ulyana]

OK.. so that my actions may make some sense (just a little.. don't expect much): I put my trust in Taly & gooey. That's it really.

but they do not agree on who to leave behind at this point, so

[ulyana]

OK.. so that my actions may make some sense (just a little.. don't expect much): I put my trust in Taly & gooey. That's it really.

but they do not agree on who to leave behind at this point, so

and you involved slot in that

[ulyana]

add your vote to this wagon when you quote it

a vote means you want them uncrossed as a definite or strong confidence

Fire:

Gammagooey

Toog:

ulyana

Gypyx:

Taly

Cakez:

Taly, ulyana

Tamora:

Taly, Gammagooey, ulyana

i feel pretty strongly that

{toogeloo, sircakez, tamora's angel} + one of {ydrasse, firebringer, almost50}

and it's like,

the other people in the poe pushing for toogeloo here either means,

we've been wrong up until this point about who should cross,

or, toogeloo should not cross, right

[ulyana]

That's not the answer to my question, but I think I got it a handle of what's going on

VOTE: Ydrasse

Sheeping Taly on this one

Toog next

hm, also,

why the rush though?

[ulyana]

the other people in the poe pushing for toogeloo here either means,

we've been wrong up until this point about who should cross,

or, toogeloo should not cross, right

[ulyana]

the other people in the poe pushing for toogeloo here either means,

we've been wrong up until this point about who should cross,

or, toogeloo should not cross, right

something definitely does not feel right here

[ulyana]

i feel pretty strongly that

{toogeloo, sircakez, tamora's angel} + one of {ydrasse, firebringer, almost50}

and it's like,

the other people in the poe pushing for toogeloo here either means,

we've been wrong up until this point about who should cross,

or, toogeloo should not cross, right

like now both almost50 and ydrasse are pushing ydrasse and almost50 cross

[ulyana]

mmmmmmmm

[ulyana]

who crosses instead? :s like who out of that poe is town who should over toog

ten minutes ago i would have said firebringer, you, almost50

but both of you saying it should be you and toogeloo seems kinda !!!

[ulyana]

Thank you for confirming Ydrasse as Town.

so you think i'm not town?

[ulyana]

you don't seem to really care about the reasoning of why i've decided to let toog through or figuring out what my sudden motivation shift was and i don't know what to make of that

what? sudden motivation shift feels possibly scum motivated and am trying to determine that but things are happening quickly and you know i am very slow

[ulyana]

like now both almost50 and ydrasse are pushing ydrasse and almost50 cross

They are?? Really????

sorry i meant toogeloo; i do not do well when doing things quickly, am messy

[ulyana]

like you guys thinking i'm potentially scum because of this is also ???????????????????????

like

?????????????

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ulyana]

...you haven't even asked me why or what i'm thinking, so.

okay why, what are you thinking?

[ulyana]

like me pointing out that you're doing something that i don't get and jumping to conclusions doesn't retroactively change the readslist i made 2 pages ago

'i don't know what to make of that' felt very weighted and almost50 is directly saying it's scummy,

[ulyana]

it's more of a 'what is happening' thing than it is me calling you scum, because you were 180ing and not... talking to me which is like ?? to me.

because it felt like the two of you were like, trying to push it through quickly, which still doesn't make any sense for almost50 and i would like an actual answer to why almost50 is in such a hurry for this upon replacing in,

okay looking at links now

[ulyana]

i was in a game (popcorn mafia, as vulture) where i was scum and the mechanic was the gun gets passed along if you shoot town, and a lot of people were vying for toogeloo to be shot on the basis of them being very cagy with their reads and not outting anything intentionally. 4604 and 4722 feel very similar to the mindset they had in that game (one example there are others). i was resistant to the idea of them being town in this game because i felt there was a lot more vitriol in how they were posting in comparison, but i realized that they didn't actually die in that setup if they were shot/misread and here they seem to be pretty... pissed off about it which i feel makes sense when they're doing things they think are helpful.

hm,

i guess i still do not understand how this outweighs duel, like it just doesn't make sense to me outside of scum!toogeloo

and toogeloo referencing the duel the way they have, like the 'i killed the only flipped mafia' has felt like it was meant to be a clearing action, like frustration that it wasn't seen that way

and tamora's angel also pushing for toogeloo (as well as firebringer) to cross

[ulyana]

and tamora's angel also pushing for toogeloo (as well as firebringer) to cross

like the arrows of who wants what should be telling here

if!

we have been correct about crossings so far

and since you seem to think we have, they should mean, something

like there is obviously heavy wifom element to sort through, but yeah

[ulyana]

i just don't know how to make sense of this game. if toog is scum then the team is to you something like toog/a50/tamora/fire? (i guess me too you said that)

i have felt strongest about toogeloo/sircakez/tamora's angel for most of day, but now with stakes highest only gammagooey seems to want sircakez to cross, though not everyone has been active since start of this phase,