Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

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If I was town I'd never push

scum

town

I get what you're saying but otoh I am RC

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ftfy* fucking autocorrect man

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I just want to lynch Cirrno still. idk. the explicitly WIFOMy blatant sheeping of RC is scummy as well

So how does "WIFOMy" and "blatant" mix in together buddy

it's WIFOMy because it raises the question of whether a partner would so obviously sheep their buddy

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sigh that scum might actually win this game despite open wolfing so obviously today

I really don't think town is gonna have the nerve to lynch you in lylo after I flip so this game is prob lost

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I wouldn't even consider that AtE lol

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I've realised that this game is literally no-lose for me from a personal standpoint. I did everything I could to help town see the two openwolves. Doing that while in a 2v1 was a struggle and I think it's perfectly reasonable I lost. I think if the roles were reversed then even against you I'd have a p good chance of winning.

Hopefully town remember to actually lynch you and cirno after I flip, although not super optimistic. But fmpvo either I've nailed the scumteam or this loss is entirely your fault in the 5/100 worlds where you might be town.

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Like, I'm

very

confident you're scum. And I've done everything I can to make that clear to people. But in any case where you are actually town, then so long as town do the smart thing and hyper lynch you in 5p lylo (which is the smart move regardless of your alignment after I flip) then it's entirely on you that we lost this game.

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Selfvote and find out then

I mean. No...

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I'll drag this out to the long and bitter end so long as there is a vague hope of lynching scum today over me being lynched

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hardclaim cop guilty on RC

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NOT WHAT MY ROLE PM SAYS

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ugh, why did you have to try and mislynch me

this game would honestly have been so much more fun if you'd just decided to try and pocket me and let me run into the mislynches on my own

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RC confirmed hacker who has edited the OP to remove the cop from it

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nah you can chill, I'm going to sleep in a minute prob

well

food then watch death in paradise then sleep

but either way I won't be around to push your very-much-not-a-mislynch-because-you're-scum

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I played overcooked for 7 hours straight today.
Was fun and painful

wow it sounds like you got burnt

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very-much-not-a-mislynch-because-im-scum

I do appreciate you outing yourself like this tho

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s e l e c t i v e e d i t i n g i s t h e b e s t

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awwww it deleted the superfluous spaces

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Outed wolf

wow stop talking about yourself like this in thread RC it's anti-wincon

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Oh also speaking of openwolfing me + RC scumteam once won after outing us as both scum.

are you from the future and looking back on the outcome of this game once town fails to get it together to lynch RC here

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Never ever lynch in Norway/GL after this if you’re town

Always lynch whoever is in the pool tomorrow out of RC/joey/cirno, lynch RC in 5p lylo

This mislynch doesn’t go through without both scum on me

There is very probably scum in joey/suji as that’s the “townbloc” RC is pushing for end game

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Also I’m gonna rinse so hard whoever the town was that mislynched me post game

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I think if you do what I say then the only way we’re losing is if the team is exactly joey/cirno which is frustratingly possible given joey’s high levels of pushback against the cirno lynch

However, you should still absolutely lynch RC over either of them for reasons of probability. Do not get cold feet. Do not chicken out. Once I flip town, it should be obvious from reading him how incredibly fabricated his “case” on me was.

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And if there’s only 1 scum on me and I’m wrong about it being 2 then town deserves to lose for having 3 townies vote me. Sorry, that’s just the way it is. If either of Norway/GL are scum with RC and he’s managed to push 3 of you into voting with him on the glaring obvtown that is me town deserves to lose this game. I don’t, but you do. Same thing if RC is ever town here. Town deserves to lose.

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Either way this game should serve as a reminder to everyone as to why sheeping RC is not a viable strategy because it loses games as much as wins them.

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Oh, also, everything RC posts after my flip should be ignored for obvious reasons. Literally, stop reading him. Freeze him out of the game, and lynch him the next opportunity you get.

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Oh, also, everything RC posts after my flip should be ignored for obvious reasons. Literally, stop reading him. Freeze him out of the game, and lynch him the next opportunity you get.

I have 0 faith in y’all to do this but you should.

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One more thing is that assuming RC!sxum if there ever is scum on his wagon here instead of on me and he’s actually convinced 3 townies to mislynch me then all I can actually say is kudos and gg scum.

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^^^^ this is RC prepping for post-mislynch for anyone not paying attention, which I guess is basically everyone as people are actually voting me this game lmao

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He has to discredit me and say that I was reading him in bad faith for when I flip town.

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Nah, fam. You repped in and immediately targeted me for no reason while demanding that you be acknowledged as obvtown based on awoo.

Everyone here knows that awoo was never obvtown but they’ve forgotten because of you insisting he was for the last ~30 pages. Pretty much everyone here knew that I was obvtown until you came in and shouted about how I wasn’t non-stop for the last ~30 pages.

I never treated you in bad faith here but you didn’t even give me a chance. Everything was just a new opportunity to mine for material to try and get me lynched.

You’re now forced to say that I was treating you in bad faith because it looks like you’ll get your mislynch, and you need to be able to discredit my reads for when the town (hopefully) comes to lynch you next chance they get.

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At this point neither of us makes it to endgame without the other scumflipping. So if you’re town then I was never getting there anyway and you had nothing to worry about. But you’re not town, meaning that with you flipping red I was always making it to 3p lylo.

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^^^^ this is RC prepping for post-mislynch for anyone not paying attention, which I guess is basically everyone as people are actually voting me this game lmao

Haven't I told you that 1v1 never resolves?
If you get lynched today, that's it.
That's cold hard fact.

If town fails to lynch RC after I flip green town deserves to lose.

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You're no longer scumreading DrCirno but you're still ignoring the fact that he replacing into the game at the same-ish time as me said my slot was unimpeachably obvious town and that yours wasn't: calling us both scum to discredit that was a smart move. But now that you're no longer able to hide behind that, two independent people replace into two slots and both agree my slot is obvtown and our opinions vary on whether you're null or scummy.

You don't say that one of them must be scum when we both had a similar ish view of the game.

Everyone here knows that awoo was never obvtown but they’ve forgotten because of you insisting he was for the last ~30 pages. Pretty much everyone here knew that I was obvtown until you came in and shouted about how I wasn’t non-stop for the last ~30 pages.

Appeal to population doesn't really make sense here.

I’m potentially scumreading everyone on my wagon because there’s no way it’s coming from town?

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I still don’t think you get 3 town on me here given my play regardless of how good you are at scum. If you do, you’re even better than I thought. So while cirno is probably the most likely scum, joey/suji being on my wagon means they should never be endgaming after you flip red.

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This is all just cirno and RC trying to set up for after my green flip btw. Ffs if you’re town don’t forget what I said.

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I’m not self-voting no matter how much you try to bait me into it here.

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Never ever lynch in Norway/GL after this if you’re town

Always lynch whoever is in the pool tomorrow out of RC/joey/cirno, lynch RC in 5p lylo

This mislynch doesn’t go through without both scum on me

There is very probably scum in joey/suji as that’s the “townbloc” RC is pushing for end game

Oh, also, everything RC posts after my flip should be ignored for obvious reasons. Literally, stop reading him. Freeze him out of the game, and lynch him the next opportunity you get.

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See, the funny thing is cirno that in any world where you’re town RC is so busy setting you up and you can’t even see it

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The simpler explanation is that you’re just scum together though

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Never ever lynch in Norway/GL after this if you’re town

Always lynch whoever is in the pool tomorrow out of RC/joey/cirno, lynch RC in 5p lylo

This mislynch doesn’t go through without both scum on me

There is very probably scum in joey/suji as that’s the “townbloc” RC is pushing for end game

Oh, also, everything RC posts after my flip should be ignored for obvious reasons. Literally, stop reading him. Freeze him out of the game, and lynch him the next opportunity you get.

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I may just repost this until I get mislynched tbh

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Never ever lynch in Norway/GL after this if you’re town

Always lynch whoever is in the pool tomorrow out of RC/joey/cirno, lynch RC in 5p lylo

This mislynch doesn’t go through without both scum on me

There is very probably scum in joey/suji as that’s the “townbloc” RC is pushing for end game

Oh, also, everything RC posts after my flip should be ignored for obvious reasons. Literally, stop reading him. Freeze him out of the game, and lynch him the next opportunity you get.

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Why would I put myself in a defensive frame earlier than I needed to

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You didn’t have my mislynch sewn up at all until you managed to get joey on

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But I struggle to believe that joey believes that I’m scum here even over you which makes his vote suspicious and a good second bet if cirno is just dumb + your fall guy

The effort he’s putting in to saying that town should ignore what I’m saying tho does make his equity +++

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I mean

U said before I started pushing you that it was inevitable that you'd get lynched if I went after you and shit.

Could it be that was merely posturing to try to get townread??

I said it was very likely but that didn’t mean I had to help you along by playing defensively from the beginning

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Never ever lynch in Norway/GL after this if you’re town

Always lynch whoever is in the pool tomorrow out of RC/joey/cirno, lynch RC in 5p lylo

This mislynch doesn’t go through without both scum on me

There is very probably scum in joey/suji as that’s the “townbloc” RC is pushing for end game

Oh, also, everything RC posts after my flip should be ignored for obvious reasons. Literally, stop reading him. Freeze him out of the game, and lynch him the next opportunity you get.

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It’s entirely about the fact that after I flip town should literally interact as if you’re not in the game anymore because you’re obviously fucking scum and everything you will be doing will just be anti-town

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And then lynch you first chance they get

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If town has any sense at all you no longer get a voice here after I town flip

Again, I don’t have any faith in town to do this but interacting with you once I greenflip should literally be seen as a scumclaim

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Never ever lynch in Norway/GL after this if you’re town

Always lynch whoever is in the pool tomorrow out of RC/joey/cirno, lynch RC in 5p lylo

This mislynch doesn’t go through without both scum on me

There is very probably scum in joey/suji as that’s the “townbloc” RC is pushing for end game

Oh, also, everything RC posts after my flip should be ignored for obvious reasons. Literally, stop reading him. Freeze him out of the game, and lynch him the next opportunity you get.

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Like if we don't lynch him I intentionally vote for town the next two days so that we get to lylo and I can vote him and force the 1v1.

Do we honestly think town!RC ever makes this particular post

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Everyone called me/Shoshin tvt she was still scum

He's interacted with the thread so dishonestly

I’ve interacted with the thread nothing but honestly.

Again, I invite anyone to look at the 1v1 between RC and I since it began and tell me I haven’t been interacting here honestly

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I’m not the one trying to strongarm the entire thread here then turning on AtE the second there’s an indication it’s not going my way

The fact is that RC entered with a bullshit push on me because he needs to try and eliminate me. I don’t think he thought I would make his life this difficult but he has no other option but to keep going because at this point his best defence is “I got emotional and tunnelled on menalque, but I’m still town lol”

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Also to be clear I’m not saying I haven’t ended up using emotion but I think it’s quite clear that it’s genuinely evolved out of my frustration from having to fight back against an openwolf when I’m an obvtown slot that everyone could see was obvtown as of one (1!) day ago

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Whereas RC has been fundamentally dishonest and manipulative about his “emotions” every time he’s displayed them in thread

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I have gone 6 years declaring cop guilties on people and I was only wrong once when I was very drunk. When you say that he's town, you're saying that despite that legacy of correct sure scumreads your reads are still better than mine. If you're saying that, then there's something wrong with your ego.

Just gonna repeat this.

This depends on RC being town, which he isn’t. Everything he’s doing is trying to subconsciously make you accept that he’s town even while his demonstrable actions are not town and do not come from a town place

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Whereas RC has been fundamentally dishonest and manipulative about his “emotions” every time he’s displayed them in thread

This doesn't mean anything

Yes, it does. It means every time you’ve been putting on emotion it’s you faking it. Whereas I’ve actually been up and down through this and it shows.

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Everything he’s doing is trying to subconsciously make you accept that he’s town even while his demonstrable actions are not town and do not come from a town place

Town never makes this post etc.

Yes, it does, I just made it

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And that’s more of you trying to do the exact same thing again

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Look at how his narrative around what I’ve been doing has changed depending on what he thinks he needs to say to get me lynched. At first I’m incredibly obvious scum, who’s been calculatedly trying to manoeuvre myself into endgame. But by the time I was actually looking like I was a plausible mislynch the narrative was being shifted to me being overly emotional and ignoring everything town about him I.e. a tacit acknowledgement of the town flip that was gonna come from me, and born out of RC’s need to be able to explain my read on him as other than “good” or “based on his play” so that he can try to get you to ignore it later.

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Town!RC doesn’t need to try and sell the idea I was unreasonable around him if he honestly thinks I’m scum. Scum!RC absolutely does need to do so to try and sell the idea that we should ignore everything I’m saying after I townflip.

That’s not very in line with his earlier “I’m obviously getting mislynched if I am wrong” position from earlier, and the reason is that scum him CAN’T maintain that position because it’s losing.

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I’m not obviously scum no matter how many times you repeat it

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If I was obviously scum then this would be over already

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I wasn’t playing around surviving your mislynch but that doesn’t mean that I have to yell that I have to be mislynched over and over if I’m wrong

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And it’s obvious that today you were trying to walk back that you always needed to be lynched after I flipped green once it looked more likely that I was on the verge of going through

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I called you scum because, again, I don’t think there’s basically anyway that after having seen this much material from me you could be sincere in scumreading me. I don’t think you’re that bad as town. If I’ve overestimated your abilities, I’ll remember it for next time.

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Town!RC doesn’t need to try and sell the idea I was unreasonable around him if he honestly thinks I’m scum. Scum!RC absolutely does need to do so to try and sell the idea that we should ignore everything I’m saying after I townflip.

That’s not very in line with his earlier “I’m obviously getting mislynched if I am wrong” position from earlier, and the reason is that scum him CAN’T maintain that position because it’s losing.

I literally set up a game plan for town to win if you flip town without relying on me. You kept discrediting my scumread by bringing up the Oh Lynch and have abjectly refused to townread anyone enough to assign them the backup townblock.

You're calling me scum for something that I didn't do but that you did and I already called you scum for.

I don’t trust anything you set up for shit because you’re scum and obviously setting something up for the case where you can’t get enough distance off my mislynch to mislynch someone else in 5p ftw.

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I called you scum because, again, I don’t think there’s basically anyway that after having seen this much material from me you could be sincere in scumreading me. I don’t think you’re that bad as town. If I’ve overestimated your abilities, I’ll remember it for next time.

If I'm this good you all should be listening to me btw

Stop misrepresenting this argument. The argument is that if you were town they should listen. As you’re scum, who is pushing town, they should not. And they should know that’s the case from how obvtown my slot was to everyone in this game before you repped in. All people need to do is have a look back and see.

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I find it kind of sad and pathetic that when I said that I had pneumonia it energized you to fight back harder because you knew I wasn't at full strength.

Fuck off RC

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That’s got nothing to do with this, and I’ve been fighting you this hard since you repped in and started your bullshit push

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You don’t get to bring up the fact that you’re ill then say I’m sad and pathetic because I refuse to go “awww, poor ickle RC, guess I should just let him mislynch me”

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I mean I think he's scum too I just don't think Menalque is town

And man I don't want to go through another day of this

If Menalque is town he's been holding his fingers in his ears screaming lalalala I can't hear you since I replaced into the game and reading me in super bad faith

Like he is abjectly, openly refusing to consider evidence that I'm town. He hasn't given a single reason for anything since I repped in, just forming shallow ass reads that scumread people who are going after him. Then to go from that to "you shouldn't sheep RC?"

No he really brought this on himself and like the whole "if Menalque flips scum bit" of norways post definitely points to scum menalque.

This is patently obviously you trying to discredit my SR on you post my flip.

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Should have bolded “he really brought this on himself” too tbh

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You've objectively put more actual engagement into this since I said that than you did in the rest of the day phase

That’s a lie and anyone can check it.

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Like he is abjectly, openly refusing to consider evidence that I'm town. He hasn't given a single reason for anything since I repped in, just forming shallow ass reads that scumread people who are going after him. Then to go from that to "you shouldn't sheep RC?" No he really brought this on himself and like the whole "if Menalque flips scum bit" of norways post definitely points to scum menalque.

except I didn't try to argue it for getting out of a lynch. i brought it up to point out that you're not town.
and even if I did, you're still calling me scum for doing the exact same thing that you've been doing this entire day phase in terms of trying to worm your way out of responsibility for my flip.
i expect to be held responsible in game for you "flipping town" if it happened. i made the game plan to play around that that gives town the game regardless of my alignment.

That’s a lie and anyone can check it.

It's really not.

That’s bullshit and you know it.

The given explanation was that you were using it as further evidence that I was scum. But the subtext, the idea you really wanted to get across was “mena brought it on himself”. I don’t think you’d even try and use this post as evidence once I green flipped, but I think you’d want to get that seed planted early. That I was to blame for my own lynch at some level because I refused to consider town!you, rather than you being WHOLLY responsible for my mislynch, which is the case should it happen.

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And people are welcome to look at the volume of my posting and see that this period is perfectly in line with what I’ve produced in the last couple of days while standing up to you.

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sorry like I can't say that you "didn't create a townblock" anymore but your "townblock" is literally the two people who haven't voted you or expressed intent to vote you. that's the most shallow basic reasoning of all time.
you've created these really stupid heuristics to justify creating all these extremely shallow reads but the fact is that your reads today have all been level 0 reads that only make sense in the context of not making enemies.

What is there to discredit your SR on RC
When literally nobody else but you and NEE are scumreading RC and haven't changed their stance ever since I replaced in at least

No. I know I’m being pushed by scum. Most likely explanation is you + cirno. But I can’t help but be paranoid about joey/suji if they happen to be on the eventual wagon especially when joey has been hard TRing for fuxking ages and so has a weird progression to only now start SRing me —> even if it’s couched in terms of “i could be wrong on mena but I’m not on RC”

I think I’ve been towny enough (HEY EVERYONE, REMEMBER WHEN I SAID YESTERDAY THAT IF ANY OF YOU HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE IDEA OF JOEY AND I ENDGAMING TOGETHER YOU SHOULD SAY AND NONE OF YOU DID BECAUSE YOU ALL HARD TOWNREAD ME? MAYBE REMEMBER THE REASONS FOR THAT NOW) that you cannot get 3 town onto me. That means that in a 4-3 wagon of me vs you, all the scum have to be on me. That conf!towns anyone not on my wagon.

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That’s bullshit and you know it.

thats bs and you know it

Wisdom,

Mafia Goon

Oh wow I used the same phrase as scum when that’s a common phrase? Shocker.

And an unverifiable program you made suggests it’s more common from scum? I’ll be damned.

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What a coincidence!

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I think I’ve been towny enough (HEY EVERYONE, REMEMBER WHEN I SAID YESTERDAY THAT IF ANY OF YOU HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE IDEA OF JOEY AND I ENDGAMING TOGETHER YOU SHOULD SAY AND NONE OF YOU DID BECAUSE YOU ALL HARD TOWNREAD ME? MAYBE REMEMBER THE REASONS FOR THAT NOW) that you cannot get 3 town onto me. That means that in a 4-3 wagon of me vs you, all the scum have to be on me. That conf!towns anyone not on my wagon.

you realize that the fact that no one contested you guys is more evidence that one of you is scum (scum don't have to contest you) than it is anything else?

Ironic given that scum is contesting me now

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Because in a world where we are both town scum do have to contest it before we hit scum or it’s gg

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Which is another part of why your entrance that was specifically focused on disrupting me/joey entirely makes sense from scum!you if you’re in there with cirno who was quite likely to be lynched and whose scum!flip would have literally made me unlynchable

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Meaning you had to strike here or it was gg

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I notice you swung back to it MUST Be drcirno for second scum as soon as you realized that if you didn't hard scumread him you'd have to take him seriously saying that Awoo was obvtown

I’ve been saying that cirno is your most likely partner for about 20 pages

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Which is another part of why your entrance that was specifically focused on disrupting me/joey entirely makes sense from scum!you if you’re in there with cirno who was quite likely to be lynched and whose scum!flip would have literally made me unlynchable

Meaning you had to strike here or it was gg

No, I didn't.

I needed to strike you in 5 way where I can't be policy lynched for mislynching you.

Untrue and I think the reason you did it here is so you could make this argument

Also cirno!scumflip conf!towned me so if you thought I was gonna get that through you had to act now

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In part so you could make this argument, probably*

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I actually think the second reason is more probable now I think of it

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I didn’t say that there had to be scum in joey/suji I said “very probably” scum in joey/suji because I was thinking you could be setting up cirno as a fall guy

My read went back to cirno scum from the repeated way that he continues to back you up without question here

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like you gotta discredit my read after i flip.

if i'm scum whether the thingy exists or not is immaterial. if i'm town and i flip and you're effectively guiltied by something, that doesn't look so good so you gotta pretend it don't exist

It’s funny cause this is what you have to do to me and I’ve already shown explicitly where you started trying to do it

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without question?? you know whose backing someone up without question? norway. you guys haven't talked at all even, he's just been calling you locktown and shit and hasn't really given an explanation.

Norway has done fuck all to help me other than vote you whereas cirno constantly pops in to back you up

Frankly Norway has probably done almost as much harm as good by allowing you to push this “partners” line

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FUCK ME IS LITERSLLY NOONE ELSE GONNA POST IN THIS FUCKING GSME AND JUST LEAVE ME TO 2v1 WITHOUT A FUCKING PAUSE

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Gif has de facto been backing you up without question

Fine, want me to rephrase to “without meaningful question”? I will. He’s backed you up without any sort of question to actually get you to reconsider and has dedicated the other half of his time to fighting with me/suggesting my reads should be ignored post flip etc

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My read went back to cirno scum from the repeated way that he continues to back you up without question here

Am I confirmed town if I disprove this with one quote?

No but go ahead and try idk why you feel like you need permission from me

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gif has been townreading me without question because i replaced into a slot that you'd have to be an idiot to sr

he has not been backing my push on you without question

He’s been pretty much doing everything in reason to support this push on me

And of course, we’re all idiots apart from the great RC genius! Also fucking piss myself laughing that you’re trying to make this a thing when awoo was getting lynched yesterday without me and you’re still gonna come here and call me scum, smfh

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I mean I guess I am an idiot because if I’d just let us lynch scum yesterday I wouldn’t be having to deal with you today

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both of the odd day lynches were stupid af. mutantdevle was hard obvtown, pm was definitely a townread for me

You mean the town your slot lol hammered? That one?

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And then you come in and act like your slot was unfailingly obvtown

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You don’t get to gloat about fucking anything unless you’re scum

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I dislike suji, but the efforting that both he and melan are doing is real.

VOTE: awoo effort is not alignment indicative, but its decent.

btw

my supposed scumpartner was trying to lynch me yday

awoo, you flipping pink or purple doesnt affect me as much as you think


we all mostly agree that all three picks are likely town. its a matter of whom to murder.

also this is never a s-s post
and that should be obvious

like you're pushing what is arguably one of the least likely scumteams that exists in the game
but given that if you accept drcirno as town due to his town ability you also have to justify going against his hard TR on awoo, nah you gotta call him scum

So on the one hand pk!slot was trying to lynch you yesterday and now that slot has 180’d on you then I should dismiss pk’s read if I TR cirno

You make no sense here

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menalque u don't know how to make town phrasings as scum

According to you I don’t know how to make them as town so

Not much I can do there

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You don’t get to gloat about fucking anything unless you’re scum

Nah I do get to gloat about "see Awoo was obvtown"

If you’re not scum you voided all rights to gloat when you didn’t see that I was obvtown here and defend the shit out of me/prevent this from getting started

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BECAUSE IT LITERALLY DOES NOT MAKE FUCKING SENSE

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IF YOU VAGUELY CARED BEYOND JUST USING IT AS AMMUNITION YOU’D MAKE AN EFFORT TO EXPLAIN IT

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You don’t get to gloat about fucking anything unless you’re scum

Nah I do get to gloat about "see Awoo was obvtown"

If you’re not scum you voided all rights to gloat when you didn’t see that I was obvtown here and defend the shit out of me/prevent this from getting started

Obvtown what's that?

The real obvtown doesn't need to assert themselves over and over that they're obvtown.

Oh what, like RC’s been doing?

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Never ever lynch in Norway/GL after this if you’re town

Always lynch whoever is in the pool tomorrow out of RC/joey/cirno, lynch RC in 5p lylo

This mislynch doesn’t go through without both scum on me

There is very probably scum in joey/suji as that’s the “townbloc” RC is pushing for end game

Oh, also, everything RC posts after my flip should be ignored for obvious reasons. Literally, stop reading him. Freeze him out of the game, and lynch him the next opportunity you get.

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Nah fuck that joey you’ve left me alone to do this rather than do anything to help if you think it’s TvT and honestly it’s pretty disgusting that you TR this bullshit from RC over me

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Honestly fuck this game and fuck any town who are gamethrowing by voting me

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If I self vote will you agree to literally not respond to RC!slot for the rest of the game

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Like that’s my condition I’ll end this here if you agree that he gets literally no further play in this game

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lol

Fuck off

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Never ever lynch in Norway/GL after this if you’re town

Always lynch whoever is in the pool tomorrow out of RC/joey/cirno, lynch RC in 5p lylo

This mislynch doesn’t go through without both scum on me

There is very probably scum in joey/suji as that’s the “townbloc” RC is pushing for end game

Oh, also, everything RC posts after my flip should be ignored for obvious reasons. Literally, stop reading him. Freeze him out of the game, and lynch him the next opportunity you get.

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I’m done with this thread

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I’ll be back to prodge and repost that until I get lynched unless suji sees sense and votes RC instead

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Anyone who’s town who TR RC from this should be embarrassed

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And I’m going

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Actually, one more thing, congratulations on turning another game into a miserable shitshow RC you must be really proud of yourself

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You should vote RC, GL

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Or hammer me but I just want this to be over rn if you’re not gonna vote RC

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Like it’s a genuine struggle not to self-vote just so I can post as conf!town

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GL can you please just do whichever thing you’re gonna do so I can get the fuck away from this thread

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Never ever lynch in Norway/GL after this if you’re town

Always lynch whoever is in the pool tomorrow out of RC/joey/cirno, lynch RC in 5p lylo

This mislynch doesn’t go through without both scum on me

There is very probably scum in joey/suji as that’s the “townbloc” RC is pushing for end game

Oh, also, everything RC posts after my flip should be ignored for obvious reasons. Literally, stop reading him. Freeze him out of the game, and lynch him the next opportunity you get.

I revoke the GL part if he votes me but other than that it holds

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Can you just do it so I don’t have town calling me out for self hammering

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I’m so fucking done right now

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I don’t give a shit if we haven’t heard from suji yet I’m asking you if you have any basic compassion to just drop the fucking hammer so I can be out of this game

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Like literally choose between us rn before I do irreparable damage to my relationship with RC

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Please

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Norwegian that goes for you too if you’re reading, I absolve you of the hammer but please just do it so I can be released from playing here

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Please stop

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Stop poking

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You won

Just let me get hammered

Without crowing about it

Or needing to rack up extra little points okay

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Just stop

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You’re disgusting

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You disgust me

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I’m not self hammering

All I want is for one of the people left in this game to fucking hammer me

Doesn’t mean that the fact that you’re this jaded means that you think people would do this as scum doesn’t change the fact that I fucking wouldn’t

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I don’t see how being a good mafia player can be more important o you than being a decent person

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I don’t get that I just dont

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I don’t want you to write some long post to this I just want you to please leave me alone until I get hammered

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I don’t even want you lynched over me right now because all I want is to be out of this game

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VOTE: menalque

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I’m town

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Everything I said was genuine and I’m crying rn and idk if it makes you a worse person if you’re town or scum here but I don’t think it’s good either way

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But I think the way you choose to play the game regardless is fucked up and now you know I’m saying that sincerely

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I’m sorry if the rest of town is upset with me but I literally can’t take any more of this game, sorry

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I would never do this as scum and the fact that you think you have to push people this far regardless of your alignment is inhumane and cruel

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Never ever lynch in Norway/GL after this if you’re town

Always lynch whoever is in the pool tomorrow out of RC/joey/cirno, lynch RC in 5p lylo

This mislynch doesn’t go through without both scum on me

There is very probably scum in joey/suji as that’s the “townbloc” RC is pushing for end game

Oh, also, everything RC posts after my flip should be ignored for obvious reasons. Literally, stop reading him. Freeze him out of the game, and lynch him the next opportunity you get.

I revoke the GL part if he votes me but other than that it holds

This is my dying testament not that anyone will listen to me

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Just don’t because I have no way of knowing who’s being sincere here and who’s just looking for townpoints when tomorrow rolls around

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Actually I’ve completely changed my mind because I do still want to believe that people are fundamentally decent and that involves thinking that RC wouldn’t do that if he knew it was all genuine

And if he would then, honestly RC from the bottom of my heart:

fuck you and never play with me again

So treat RC as like an IC and never lynch him here and hope he finds scum

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This post is strictly non-alignment-indicative.

Not sorry over anything that happened this game.
Like I don't expect people to just hold back their emotion or know to call a V/LA and step out a bit when things get too heated.
Everything that happened in this game is perfectly understandable. As RC said, I don't even blame Mel for self-hammering.
But this excessive AtEing over being pushed is sadly a current meta of mafiascum.
And it needs to fucking burn. It makes games unfair and unfun for a lot of people. Some people such as Shoshin has started to exploit the basic human decency to gain advantage in a game.
I linked the Mini 2070 Day 1 as a hint that I figured things like this would happen again. As I said, it's exactly the same. The poor sap in that game was town there. RC was town there.
That poor sap (I don't remember his name sorry) acted exactly like this. And when the gamestate becomes bad like this, that person gotta go.
And then things become worse because now that receiving end will be even more emotionally infuriating over that.
That's how game gets dramatic. That's how people become apathetic over games.
Until this whole unhealthy meta stops, we have to be the "bad guys" and push off the overly emotional players. It sucks for both end. But it gotta happen.
And trust me. It's never fun to push emotional people.

We can talk about all this post game but the fact that you think all the responsibility lies on the player getting pushed and pushed in a particular way and not on the person pushing them or the way they choose to push speaks volumes

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But I’ve said my piece

If RC is scum here then he’s a piece of shit and I never wanna play with him again if he’s willing to do this knowingly to win in a forum game

So I honestly devoutly hope he’s town who’s just stubborn and dumb and wrong

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Oh yeah gg

town win

Lol, chennis’ modding was the best thing in this game tbh

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Chennis I assume that you will of course be returning to add flavour to all VCs and flips, right?

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I have major issues with how you chose to play here, RC

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Surprising to noone, I’m sure

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And I’m not even talking explicitly about the degree to which you pushed things and were unrelenting about it even to the point when I was literally just asking you to stop, and my lynch was already happening, which I think you should have respected

But more broadly the fact that town very much won this game in spite of you, not because of you, but your need to try and make this win come about due to your play is exactly what I think personifies the problems with your playstyle and by extension with you as a mafia player

Despite the fact that I find you funny and like you personally, please avoid me in games in the future unless you radically change the way that you play and pursue your SRs

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I have no issue with anyone who was scum in this game, or anyone who died before RC repped in

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You played very well norway, I was kinda rooting for you in the end

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Or suji actually, now that I think about it. I’m annoyed with joey/cirno’s play but I think I’ve alresdy aired that and made it clear why in the dead thread. Despite being irritated by their choices around the RC v me fight, I don’t see there being any lasting issues or reasons to assum there would be issues in future games. Sadly, I don’t think I can say that about RC so long as he plays in this way

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I have no intentions of changing and I don't think that I did anything wrong. You're welcome to avoid me if you didn't enjoy this game.

I will be, and I’m asking you to show me the same respect by avoiding repping into a game that I’m already in, etc

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If you think that the way you played this game was in any way good then I can’t help you

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I’ll try to stop beating a dead horse with a stick though, I think I laid out quite clearly what I think beyond what I’ve said here in dead thread

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Chennis I assume that you will of course be returning to add flavour to all VCs and flips, right?

imagine assuming i have free time

Imagine being as much of a tease as you are

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I don't think my scumread on you was any worse than yours on me.

Joey I'll apologize to because it was a one way thing but it takes two to tango Menalque.

I didn’t start it though. You want to go on about reacting badly to unjustified SRs yet you, who of everyone here claims to be familiar with my meta and knows full well that I react badly to unjustified scumreads, decided to enter hard pushing me from very early on after your entrance instead of engaging with me or trying to sort me.

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And you continuously made the point that you had meta on me and were so confident in your read that I had to be scum... was I being unreasonable to BoP you on being correct on your read on me, given your claimed levels of confidence about it?

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This was my pov, albeit expressed in a salty manner

Subject: Open 767: Dead PT

You agreed with me there was something weird about him not townreading me no matter what else he did that was Towny and you know I have a consistent issue scumreading people who scumread me for bad reasons

You can be mad at me. Do you think it's scummy

Ok then

i agreed it was a bad read from him and he shouldve tred you, just like i disagreed with his pk/TSE read and i wanted him to lynch GL

I mean I SR the person who entered the game, hard pushed me for no good reason whatsoever, ruined what was a game winning strategy and fucked up what was shaping up to be a game winning townbloc outside of that

But sure

I had a shitty scumread for bad reasons

Sure

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Actually yes you did start it

I expressed that I wasn't certain you were locktown and you started going on about how I'd never scumread you as town and started to effectively bully me into declaring a townread on you that I didn't believe.

That's not how this works. Both of the townies who replaced in at the same time agreed that Awoo was townier than anyone else in the game. You notice Joey actually talked to me about things and didn't OMGUS me in a stupid way and I unvoted him.

Right, one of whom replaced into a slot I was already scumreading, and every other towny in the game had already (correctly) sorted joey and I as lock!town and there was no way for scum to interrupt that as they’d been forced into doing so to

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Maybe I’m conf biasing in terms of how I remember this, but I definitely remember you pursuing me first

At a minimum, trying to discredit the two lock!town slots who had a game winning strategy set in. In fairness, it may have been that that pinged me more, because town was very much winning at the point that you replaced in, and the only way for scum to get back in was for them to disrupt the consensus of the joey + me TRs, which is exactly what you set about doing from immediately after you entered the thread.

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Town your reads sucked lol

I'm wondering if it's actually better to just commit now.

Like I'm scared that scum is going to realize that they're outed and start calling me scum or some dumb shit and town's going to lap it up since they've already managed to townread him even though he's objectively obviously scum ???

yall should feel hella disrespected by scum

I feel like for so many reasons the solve this game is Joey and Menalque

I'm going to actually start casing that now but I think you guys have all been going after the townies who do shiny mislynchable things instead of going after actual scum.

I really don't feel like PK's replace out comes from scum and their interactions with Titus spew them town imo. I don't think GL's iso is likely to be scum but I've considered it. Suji is town by play. I know I'm town. NorwegianEE has a chance of being scum but I think it's more likely that he's town for /reasons/ particularly given that the person who knew them from offsite townread them and it feels too in your face for scum!Titus to be all yeah let's lynch correspondence without considering her partner at the start.

That leaves the slots that you guys are townreading for weird reasons even though they have terrible associatives with each other, Joey has awful Titus associatives, and they really haven't done anything to be TR for?

You’re saying you didn’t come after me first?

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I was genuinely really happy and excited when you repped in because I was confidently TRing awoo and thought “cool, I finally get to see what working with RC is like when we’re both town” and thought that given the general quality of your reads that there was no way you’d entered the game pushing a solve of the two lock!town if you were acting in good faith

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Depends how you define going after you.

You're acting like in some way my scumreading you is worse than you scumreading me and I think that's a nonstarter opinion.

This is the difference

I did TR you upon entry because you replaced into a slot that I was correctly TRing

Why was it so unreasonable of me to SR you when you were unable to do the same, especially while you were going on about how you should be BoP’d and how good your reads were?

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I had my own locktown and I had a path that still led to victory.

Just because I did my agree witb you on who was and wasn't locktown...

If you’d worked with me and joey we would have had a 3 person lock!townbloc. You and joey probably would have convinced me not to lynch cirno, so we would have done GL. After that I think we would have successfully lynched norway. Game would have been over 2 days earlier without any animosity.

But instead of trying to read me, or engage with me at all to check whether your read might be wrong based on my earlier posts, you just claimed a solve which again to town!me who had a winning strategy was literally the only move that scum was going to be able to make to break a game that was otherwise utterly winning for town — which was a correct belief, I might add

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This whole game became just sad and embittering and yes, I do share some of the responsibility for that, but I think you should acknowledge that more of it is on your shoulders here. I don’t think you will, more likely than not, but it would be nice if you did and I guess the hope of that is why I’m posting now.

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What’s v/v?

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Oh nvm

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I don't think I'm more responsible for my scumread on you than v/v because I approached it honestly, you went in with a bad faith "if RC tries to mislynch me he's scum" and that set me off and caused me to play in equivalently bad faith and cite BoP and such.

I apologized to Joey because I never felt like he wasn't making an honest effort to read me even though largely he was.

I'm as apologetic as you are because I think we're responsible for the same crime and if you're just going to sit there and dump responsibility on me then I'm not going to feel bad for it.

If this set you off, I don’t get why you’re not seeing that you entering with “mena/joey is the solve” wouldn’t set me off for the exact reasons I’ve already laid out. And it’s that you entered that way rather than through trying to work with me or read me particularly that is why I think you have more responsibility here.

I will say, from talking to you here, that I think I understand your POV more now and it wasn’t as one-sidedly on you as I originally believed. But I think it was you who made the move that instigated everything, and I think your being unfair to present your actions as reasonable in light of you being upset with me when my “if RC tries to mislynch me he’s scum” was clearly not bad faith given that I’ve explained my POV of the gamestate at that point.

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Would set me off*

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You’re*

Fuck me i can’t type

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Fundamentally, with everyone’s alignment now revealed, do you not see why I believed in good faith that the only world you were entering the game pushing me was one in which you were scum?

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Inb4 the debate on who’s responsible is longer than the actual D5 fight

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Yeah wow. The argument from D5 just got revived.

Teeeechnically it’s different

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I have no intentions of changing and I don't think that I did anything wrong. You're welcome to avoid me if you didn't enjoy this game.

I will be, and I’m asking you to show me the same respect by avoiding repping into a game that I’m already in, etc

I retract this

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Chennis can you open the mafia PT? I mean i'm not that bothered since i already know what's in there, but it kinda annoys me when i'm town and excited to read the mafia PT and the mod just never opens it.

+1 would like to read maf thread

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Interesting read and that’s all I’ll say

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You are dedicated in a way that I never would be, suji