Mini Normal 2173 | Bending | Game Over

[DkKoba]

im home but im assembling a chair imma catch up later but still disappointed the taylor wagon is all but gone :/

[DkKoba]

https://secretlab.co/collections/omega-series bought me one of these!

[DkKoba]

FL can i convince you otherwise or are you set?

[DkKoba]

(rhetorical question bc im going to try to convince u off this path regardless bc i really do think this is town andres)

[DkKoba]

i would hope a player like you would be able to brush AtE aside and ignore it rather than use it as evidence/a direct influence on your reads

[DkKoba]

@VP & @MM: EVERYONE is a suspect from my PoV. (That's probably an exaggeration, as I TR Taylor and I 100% buy Infinity's claim). HOWEVER, I don't

really

SR anyone. (as in "being confident enough that I want to eliminate them today").

Suffice it to say I would rather vote Jo Jorgensen (which I kinda am).

You normally this bad at playing town or are u just scum? Gonna give you one chance to give some opinions bc ur my top elim rn just based on seeing this post alone .

[DkKoba]

VOTE: taylor

[DkKoba]

L-1

[DkKoba]

jfc finally

[DkKoba]

2173

[DkKoba]

Almost forgot to post that.

[DkKoba]

2173

I don't quite follow sorry

You dont have to (;

[DkKoba]

p sure mark is scum btw sending a message with more to my townread tonight

[DkKoba]

esp cUse they weren't on this wagon

[DkKoba]

if anyone but andres claims mail tomorrow pls insta hang them btw

[DkKoba]

FL what are ur thoughts b4 Glitch gets here?

[DkKoba]

i mean does anyone remember how mark tried to pivot onto NM on d1 and then i called them on it and they insisted it was me from a scum pov only?

[DkKoba]

taylor is hammered

[DkKoba]

You normally this bad at playing town or are u just scum? Gonna give you one chance to give some opinions bc ur my top elim rn just based on seeing this post alone .

I'm shaking in my boots already. Let someone else speak. I stopped trying to understand what you say a long time ago. Nice try though.

but do u even have any opinions on this game?

or any player?

bc i dont remember anything notable u have said all game.

[DkKoba]

a50 ur literally avoiding the question

[DkKoba]

my pronouns are THEY THEM they are underneath my PROFILE PIC.

[DkKoba]

and you are STILL AVOIDING THE QUESTION.

[DkKoba]

if anyone but andres claims mail tomorrow pls insta hang them btw

now the mail is useless because andres will claim mail either way.

it will be obvious if he doesn't (:

[DkKoba]

regardless it will be useful if i die anyways.

[DkKoba]

ok and A50 is town after all

scum wifom has been discarded

[DkKoba]

should be soon (:

[DkKoba]

are u fucking kidding me

[DkKoba]

the level of resistance this wagon has had tells me this is surely scum with 0 scum on wagon

[DkKoba]

taylor was not towntelling in twilight lmfao

[DkKoba]

also literally any one of her partners would have told her its not hammer and she would have immediately went on to pretend it is.

[DkKoba]

a50 why do you townread taylor again?

[DkKoba]

whatever.

[DkKoba]

are you sure a50 is town here FL

[DkKoba]

Me wishing i didnt have work rn

[DkKoba]

@Koba can you get in here I want to discuss what’s happening with you. I want you to update your read on VPB and tell me what you think.

I still think theyre town and i wanna only vote in taylor/nm for the most part

[DkKoba]

imagine trying to self vote as town to manipulate ppl to townread you... could never be me

[DkKoba]

Hi

[DkKoba]

Just woke up

[DkKoba]

oh hey i want to point out that NM is almost locktown actually. scum!NM would have just hammered me when i was at L-1

thanks for telling us ur 2nd partner much appreciated

[DkKoba]

just vote them out

[DkKoba]

Taylor, I'm sorry if I'm wrong. Both you and VP are very capable players and both of you play the town resigned to their impeding miselim act very well, but things make more sense with scum!you in terms of the multiple wagons on you today

VOTE: Taylor

That's E -1

inch resting

[DkKoba]

bc u are scum with taylor

[DkKoba]

Taylor, I'm sorry if I'm wrong. Both you and VP are very capable players and both of you play the town resigned to their impeding miselim act very well, but things make more sense with scum!you in terms of the multiple wagons on you today

VOTE: Taylor

That's E -1

inch resting

Talk to me. What makes you so sure Tayl0r is Scum here?

im tired of reiterating my points its exhausting and honestly the more we stall the more we let doubt seed our mind.

like their push on me has been scum motivated and then through convenience they are forced to finally say they townread me. i really dont know how to explain it better i just hate that this has been successfully stalled out to the point where the wagon has dissolved THREE times

[DkKoba]

Also someone had pointed out they didnt even think to claim in fake twilight? like ok.

its just annoying

[DkKoba]

this is what happens when u fking unvote!!!!!!!

[DkKoba]

im gaming

[DkKoba]

hopefully ppl actually trust my reads from here on out when obvscum flips <3

[DkKoba]

just say ur gonna nightkill infinity and are pushing their action of of urself and move on? lol

[DkKoba]

do u not see how hes trying to control night actions

[DkKoba]

and yet this assumes.. you are still town mark

[DkKoba]

and yet this assumes.. you are still town mark

Lol dk - like I have literally just said at least this way when you and DGB force through a miselim on me tomorrow you'll then have some certainty on infinity following my demise

who said im going to be alive?

[DkKoba]

Subject: Micro 928 | Permanent Marker | Mafia PT

I would like to redact my flip and instead win the game

LMFAO

[DkKoba]

Like even if for whatever reason you genuinely believe me to be scum, at least coordinating this means that in the event you miselim me you will know infintys alignment for sure.

Well.

Isn't that bananas.

VOTE: Marky Mark

[DkKoba]

also me being sad at not being nightkilled in this mess .. VOTE: mark

[DkKoba]

mark i found independently scummy from d1. also them hopping on the taylor wagon late on d2 makes sense now

[DkKoba]

i really dont like andres' daystart here

[DkKoba]

you say im scum here, but instead of pushing directly onto me you push onto vpb?

[DkKoba]

also me being sad at not being nightkilled in this mess .. VOTE: mark

You are not this bad.

i hard softed loyal modifier end of day 2 so as to potentially bait a kill from mark to incriminate them. im not loyal though. so theres that.

[DkKoba]

andres did u fight with ur partners over what kill to make or something LOL u seem rly salty at the outcome of n2

[DkKoba]

nah look at how he entered like angry. at what?

[DkKoba]

like listen. look at the logic they are weaving here and look at where their anger seems to be directed. the nightkill.

i think andres wanted to nightkill me as scum and thats why they are mad

[DkKoba]

He was pushing VP a lot yesterday.

Andres was pushing Taylor, then left after it got hot, then pushed Infinity hard, and Infinity flipped town.

Maybe Andres is being setup.

UNVOTE: Andres

that sounds like the opposite of setup. look at my theory re: being overriden wrt night kill

andres as scum would recognize how bad this looks for him here

[DkKoba]

UNVOTE:

[DkKoba]

[DkKoba]

put shade on wagon, get ppl to scumread said person, hop off to be disassociated once more people are more or less set in a tunnel on the slot

[DkKoba]

ok unless u are saying im scum FL is 100% confirmed town

[DkKoba]

i was on living tonight btw so i should have confirmation of my action today unless i did indeed catch scum

[DkKoba]

u know i did hardclaim id message Andres EoD d2 and their reaction also lines up with them having to push me bc they are a scum pr

[DkKoba]

nah we can wait till everyone talks

[DkKoba]

order of actions claimed should be mark first anyways

[DkKoba]

andres wants to protect mark !! how cute

[DkKoba]

ok but mark claims first here lol

we arent going to be tricked into mechanically helping scum

[DkKoba]

stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result" stop claiming actions until mark claims their "result"

[DkKoba]

VOTE: andres

yeah bye tho

[DkKoba]

andres trying to really inhibit mechs right now to eke our targets rn

[DkKoba]

oh is the plan to keep FL alive?

[DkKoba]

wait did u rolecop them as an x shot?

[DkKoba]

the confidence u have here after continuing to push anti mech play is so laughably obvscum behavior im probably not moving my vote

[DkKoba]

yall see how andres would have to be throwing if they were town here with how they are completely ignoring mark's claim and how it needs to also be verified?

[DkKoba]

Koba I’m sorry we couldn’t play as the same alignment. That would have been enjoyable. I thoroughly respect the pocket you and VPB were forced into.

LMAO this is so fake omg

[DkKoba]

andres is scum pr who thinks i targeted them

[DkKoba]

i wouldnt be surprised if ur being roleblocked btw @FL the angle that andres is taking here is very confident

[DkKoba]

all in good time andres

[DkKoba]

just waiting on a50/vp/mark/NM to speak.

[DkKoba]

mark only so that they can claim their report

[DkKoba]

andres is actively ignoring that the way they are trying to push claims is anti town btw lol

[DkKoba]

andres is actively ignoring that the way they are trying to push claims is anti town btw lol

You were hard softing to have sent me a message when you hadn’t, and now that I’ve revealed I’m Vanilla you are trying your hardest to obscure that. You’ve revealed yourself to be Scum, I don’t think it’s that hard.

the impatience from you here is just not really characteristic. i still maintain ur trying to push these claims bc u are scum who thinks they're going to be caught and are "ccing" me first so that u can claim you claimed b4 i "guiltied" you

[DkKoba]

andres answer: should mark claim first here?

[DkKoba]

i have brought up mark claiming at least like 5 times and why its optimal and u are ignoring me on purpose it feels

[DkKoba]

What happened to your VP read?

You seem to be claiming to have sent your Friendly Neighbor message to the Scummiest player in the game, and we’re supposed to just believe that. It’s so bad.

1) I didn’t claim any of that, you need to think past the surface level.

2) I disagree that he’s the scummiest. Both you and DGB take that cake. Although, I don’t know if i think you’re scum together. I might specifically think one of you guys are scum, but I’m going back and forth on who.

So who did you send your message to? Claim it. Why is it so hard?

Because claiming before people show up gets rid of the potential to catch scum out in a lie.

Like, I don’t understand what at all is so hard about that to understand.

2+2=4 lol

[DkKoba]

im honestly not unvoting andres bc they already slipped their intentions with their actions. I think they are a very capable player and seeing them go for this extremely blatantly anti town play makes unable to see them as town here

[DkKoba]

hey maybe i did message u and ur caught scum (: i just wanna let mark claim

[DkKoba]

i mean same but also they are scum

[DkKoba]

@Mark don’t claim anything. Flavor and Koba claim what they supposedly did first.

this post is a hard scumclaim

[DkKoba]

I can confirm I did not receive message last night. I think we should have Mark claim.

you absolute BUFFOON why are u claiming

[DkKoba]

im closing tab i cant with this table rn

[DkKoba]

Ohhhh....I understand why there’s talk for me needing to claim first.

Yeah, Marky Mark’s probably town.

what the fuck? mark needs to claim first

[DkKoba]

Okay, Koba who did you message? Surely you can tell us now.

no

[DkKoba]

i can think of 1 reason why and its pretty obvious

[DkKoba]

ok 2 reasons

[DkKoba]

i assure u my claim is verifiable today

[DkKoba]

unless i did indeed hit scum pr(which i hope i didnt bc it means my reads are garbo lol)

[DkKoba]

FL did the smartest thing he could with an ability he cant use every night like honestly i vibe with the reaction test. make sure scum have to sweat about decisions like that

[DkKoba]

@FL i think u got rolecopped lol

[DkKoba]

andres can u explain why mark shouldnt claim first here? you have dodged the question about mark like 50x already lol

[DkKoba]

no its not. i am not asking anyone to claim anything until mark claims

[DkKoba]

cute. andres successfully got everyone to claim night actions so mark could guilty me easily lol

yes i did message DGB. they confirmed my code daystart.

VOTE: mark

we wouldn't be here if andres was quiet and didnt basically make me hardclaim that i messaged dgb by insisting that mark claim first (:

[DkKoba]

i hardclaim simple mailman. mark probably added on "multitasking" to make it look like a guilty. look how they claimed it -> first mailman + detective then said im multitasking

[DkKoba]

its moreso it was really obvious i messaged DGB bc i insisted on mark claiming and andres wouldnt stfu about me claiming first

[DkKoba]

theres also the possibility that there was a code somewhere that another scum with a report already outted.

[DkKoba]

its moreso it was really obvious i messaged DGB bc i insisted on mark claiming and andres wouldnt stfu about me claiming first

I'm not following this. Mark claimed first like you wanted. How does that implicate Andres in anything?

because mark was able to claim safetly after a bunch of people hardclaimed info.

although maybe thinking it back its probably just a mechanical play from a scum investigative that knew where i was going. idk at this point. feels like the same shit like when u guiltied me in our last normal

[DkKoba]

also we are not voting outside of myself/mark today, at least if i die its a conf scum even tho we have infinite lylo(plus it removes a nightkill path after flavor dies)

[DkKoba]

well the payoff is u get both investigatives dead and then u have lylo the rest of the game.

[DkKoba]

in no world does town ever decline a 1 for 2 trade if thats what they believe it is

[DkKoba]

im starting to see the universes a bit more clearly

[DkKoba]

people forget we're playing against an informed minority who likely have tools to be able to come off as genuine.


this isnt even like me just flipping a townread on mark i was scumreading them since d1. i consistently catch at least 1 scum on d1. im not perfect but as soon as mark tried to pivot onto NM in that post i had that gut feeling they were scum for sure. I misplayed d2 when i thought i had caught them as scum pr (which i see i did after all). If I was scum, i would have claimed loyal and just had him taken care of. i play suicidal as scum. its a chat mafia habit. im not into the long game shit. i set up my partners and call it a day.

like just look at the boardstate starting d2. i immediately see that DGB confirms they got my message. perfect.

i then am hopefully waiting on mark to scumslip. then andres comes in and INSISTS that everyone claims actions EXCEPT for mark.

like im so frustrated that my simple play just got ruined and im not even sure if its from town or scum now bc i definitely had andres pinned as town earlier but his actions daystart here are just.. wow. just feel like hardclaimed scum.

[DkKoba]

Also, I’m somewhat confused as to why Koba decided to visit DGB. Marky Mark, you claimed DGB as the Target yesterday right? Or did you change it?

its almost like i explained it or something

[DkKoba]

its a theory. with no daytalk i do expect scum to have some sort of investigative. one they have to code the outcome to eachother.

[DkKoba]

except if u are trying to say FL is scum then i am scum to you bc i literally know he is town

[DkKoba]

nahh i told her my reads post-taylor flip bc i thought infinity/mark were both scum still.

code was to quote mark and say bananas. if she didnt get the message id have basically considered that scum dependent on the claim

[DkKoba]

one sec i need to see if i am allowed to do something lol

[DkKoba]

im looking at NM / A50 as the last 2. definitely NM

[DkKoba]

They knew Marky would see him or they wanted to catch out Mark for not seeing them? Scum doesn’t target DGB here knowing Marky could ever possibly see them.

That true Koba?

yes, its even part of my message that this was my intent.

[DkKoba]

Can we claim what the message said?

i am not sure if i can copy paste what it said, i need confirmation that this is in line with rules

[DkKoba]

Koba are you claiming Multitasking Mailman now? Meaning you lied about your claim, outted Mark as a PR, has a role that fits only as a Mafia (NRG would tell the designer to just make it a Mailman).

Why are we not killing that.

i am claiming that mark is lying

[DkKoba]

@Koba but Marky Mark can’t Scumslip given what they implied they were. I really doubt they go through the trouble of saying they would confirm Infinity in the first place if they had no ability to back that up.

well when ur scum and ur nightkilling the target..........

[DkKoba]

Why would scum openly 1 for 1 like this, knowing that you and FL were both almost lock-town. They wouldn't, it'd be stupid.

"why would scum ever do that??"

*in situations where scum did, indeed do that*

u know the answer. i really hope you know the answer.


im angling to want mark elimed. mark is afraid to nk me bc i may be loyal. i havent claimed loyal. i soft loyal. mark preemtively guilties me so they look better(hey look it worked)

is it adding up yet?

[DkKoba]

i didnt. i thought that was specifically why mark was trying to force infinity to target a specific person.

[DkKoba]

They knew Marky would see him or they wanted to catch out Mark for not seeing them? Scum doesn’t target DGB here knowing Marky could ever possibly see them.

That true Koba?

yes, its even part of my message that this was my intent.

Lol wtf Koba. This message implies you believed mark was a watching/voyeur type role.

So did you or did you not believe his claim?

there was a 50/50 i thought mark had the capability of watching a target.


we cant pretend like its more likely theres a scum tracker who decided: nightkill koba, kill infinity.

that way u remove the variable where you dont know.

i went thru a lot of possibilities.

[DkKoba]

Koba are you claiming Multitasking Mailman now? Meaning you lied about your claim, outted Mark as a PR, has a role that fits only as a Mafia (NRG would tell the designer to just make it a Mailman).

Why are we not killing that.

Why would Koba target DGB knowing that Marky was going to target there?

I think this confirms Marky Mark is lying.

Why would town!Koba assume mark was telling the truth about being a voyeur/watcher etc?

I feel it’s similar to what I was doing with you. If Marky had claimed they saw the detective and not the messenger, it would have outed them as scum also.

Marky likely figured out what happened throughout Andres pushing and decided to try to get someone that they thought was conf town faded.

But how? It’s a super low probability guess. Koba never even implied to have messaged DGB.

again, scum investigatives exist.

[DkKoba]

i mean like we can theorize all we like regardless but the fact of the matter is that fypov it should be 100% plausible that mark knew who i targeted

[DkKoba]

Morning all, I'm not up to date with all the new posts but just wanted to get the info out that DGB was visited by a detective and mailman

Clarification: multitasking mailman

look at that

they have a lapse here and slip and dont claim a role that would obviously be a scumclaim wrt what i claimed. the fact they just dropped this and left without even so much as dropping a vote is absurd

[DkKoba]

They knew Marky would see him or they wanted to catch out Mark for not seeing them? Scum doesn’t target DGB here knowing Marky could ever possibly see them.

That true Koba?

yes, its even part of my message that this was my intent.

i didnt. i thought that was specifically why mark was trying to force infinity to target a specific person.

These two messages are stating exactly opposite things. I don't understand how you say both of them within a few posts of each other if your thoughts on it were clear to you

what was clear to me?

[DkKoba]

at the time i wrote my message, i was not sure at all at the state of the game bc i was not expecting taylor to flip green.

mark/infinity i felt for sure had one scum so i had like a small benefit of the doubt for mark and was like "yeah they can prove this at least and if infinity and them are alive then at least that makes mark more likely to be town"

but we're in the world where town!infinity got nightkilled and mark is confscum now to me. my thoughts within my mail are not the same thoughts i have now obviously.

[DkKoba]

.

why not FL?

[DkKoba]

They knew Marky would see him or they wanted to catch out Mark for not seeing them? Scum doesn’t target DGB here knowing Marky could ever possibly see them.

That true Koba?

yes, its even part of my message that this was my intent.

i didnt. i thought that was specifically why mark was trying to force infinity to target a specific person.

These two messages are stating exactly opposite things. I don't understand how you say both of them within a few posts of each other if your thoughts on it were clear to you

what was clear to me?

Whether you believed Mark had voyeur/watcher abilities when you performed your night action on DGB.

i was just testing what mark was hard softing. it was like "if they dont see me thats a 100% confirmation and a slip". thats it. thats the thought process

[DkKoba]

Given the specificity of Mark’s claim, there’s no universe where both Koba and Mark are Town. I am really deeply skeptical of the idea that the Scum Team all revealed themselves to us right here right now. That’s not happening.

If this was one day further, then I would argue against this, but I think Kkoba was the best chance for scum to try and fade today if they could because it gives them an extra misfade option. It doesn’t matter if one of them went down from pushing because they still move onto the next day, and they get to kill me afterwards.

This would leave a situation where Koba flips town, I get killed, Marky gets faded, they kill...let’s say Andres?

The final 5 is Jackson, Not Mafia, DGB, VPB, A50.
2 of those are scum in that world, likely this world, and that leaves them just needing 1 fade, even if they end up going down that day, they still need just 1 fade. They could even no kill to leave more options.

are there "meteor" rules? i.e. does scum have to kill if town was the last to kill? (to break a stalemate)

[DkKoba]

I absolutely understand Koba’s logic here again. But then Koba why didn’t you trust me with Tayl0r/Infinity? I’m kind of annoyed we didn’t flip VPB.

ego also theres something else wrt taylor i probably shouldnt have let cloud my judgement eh. ill message u post game abt it

[DkKoba]

id say thats more a townslip than a scumslip bc perspective slip i.e. scum would be more likely to be aware of knowledge like that

[DkKoba]

saccing oneself to get ur other 2 buddies into lylo is always a good strat if you have them setup. like look, we seriously dont know who mark's partners feasibly could be other than maybe andres

[DkKoba]

I cant quote exactly what i sent but i can paraphrase. I'll do so after i sleep

[DkKoba]

NM once again trying their best to subtly throw the game <3

[DkKoba]

NM once again trying their best to subtly throw the game <3

I'm agreeing with you?

Your vote is not agreeing

[DkKoba]

Like also: do you think i magically guess mark is a PR? Like look at the progrsssion d2 - where i out my code to mark daystart.

[DkKoba]

Its true, flavor me dgb and andres are voting mark . Check all of our isos

[DkKoba]

you think town!NM ever does the optimal move?

[DkKoba]

just look at their game history it'll speak for itself. The way they opened tells you what kind of player they are

[DkKoba]

Thats fair

[DkKoba]

I would have killed FL as scum no cap. And fearkilled andres n1

[DkKoba]

vp i dont think the stall u have on this wagon is a good look bc i believe rn at least one scum is off wagon

[DkKoba]

Do not worry i am town

[DkKoba]

Id like NM to be on me but i know thats probably a fruitless request

[DkKoba]

dgb do u want another message tonight?

[DkKoba]

Ah I shoulda told u my n3 target so we could test for PR

[DkKoba]

Wait i have an idea i can use the precious message and use letters

[DkKoba]

You cant receive messages from me sorry ):

[DkKoba]

@dgb
Word 5, first letter. The place of that word in the alphabet is the slot number im targeting tonight. I will ask them to out my order of elim i sent to you

[DkKoba]

its real hammer mark its ok

[DkKoba]

oh sure. gg i was maf!

[DkKoba]

Im still town

[DkKoba]

what the actual fuck

[DkKoba]

i just got home

[DkKoba]

dgb why did u unvote?

[DkKoba]

oh fuck off

[DkKoba]

im town

[DkKoba]

HELLO ALL I AM TOWN I WILL PROVE IT SHORTLY

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Koba

oh fuck off

im town

unless i did indeed hit scum pr(which i hope i didnt bc it means my reads are garbo lol)

Missed this last night, but didn't Koba later claim that DGB verified the message in her early posts? If DGB did, then koba would know at that point they had not hit a power role.

This means Mark is more likely to flip town here and DGB looks scummier if so.

I did confirm by following the instructions DKKOBA gave me.

VOTE: Marky Mark

Official Vote Count 3.02

Resourcefulness is a key to all schools of bending.

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Official Vote Count 3.02

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to eliminate someone.

Marky Mark: 5

(ELIMINATED)

(Andresvmb, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf, DkKoba, DrippingGoofball)

DkKoba: 3

(JacksonVirgo, Marky Mark, VP Baltar)

Not Voting: 1

(Almost50)

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-12-02 00:26:14)

Mod Notes: An elimination has been achieved.

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MARKY MARK HAS BEEN ELIMINATED!

He was a

Town Role Watcher

.

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Day 3 has ended and Night 3 will now begin.
Night 3 will end in (expired on 2020-11-21 00:21:23).

ANDRESVMB HAS BEEN ELIMINATED!

He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

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Night 3 has ended and Day 4 will now begin.
Day 4 will end in (expired on 2020-12-05 00:18:05).

Official Vote Count 4.00

Fire Lord Ozai was the second firebender to demonstrate his ability to fly using his firebending. The unprecedented technique had only been demonstrated once before by his prodigy daughter, Princess Azula. In this scene, the power of Ozai's firebending is multiplied tenfold, as Sozin's comet, a comet that passes through Earth's atmosphere once per century, neared. This comet gave firebenders unbelievable strength. It is unknown whether Ozai's ability to use his firebending was restricted to the time when the comet was near and boosting the firebenders' bending, or if it was a skill he simply developed close to the end of the timeline of the show's history and was able to use outside of that time. Regardless, the answer would never be discovered as Avatar Aang used a new technique of bending the energy within himself and others to take away Firelord Ozai's firebending permanently.

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Official Vote Count 4.00

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to eliminate someone.

Not Voting: 7

(Almost50, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf, DkKoba, DrippingGoofball, JacksonVirgo, VP Baltar)

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-12-05 00:18:05)

Mod Notes: Day 4 has begun!

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Sup

VOTE: Koba

Infinity's and all detective checks are useless to us now that we know Koba would have done the kill every night up 'til now.

VOTE: Koba

New town squad is me and Jackson. FL is probably scum too, but we will see if anyone backs his FN claim now.

Lemme guess, FL will claim he tried to confirm to Andres

Lemme guess, FL will claim he tried to confirm to Andres

That's what I'm expecting yeah.

FL looks even worse when they were softing Loyal when they weren't

YEP definitely town here im clear

[DkKoba]

VP/Marky/Andres

Not Mafia is trolling VP before your eyes, how is he not agreeing?

I wouldn't say trolling so much as not answering why he wouldn't suspect mark immediately on D2 given it would be a direct conflict with his own claimed role. Also, why not protect Infinity last night since he was town reading them and scum reading me?

I respect the temerity of swimming against the inevitable tide

you think town!NM ever does the optimal move?

that's some pretty shit play though. As opposed to a Marky-NM scum pair, which makes a lot more sense.

I don't have experience with NM though.

lol now he's trying to tie me to Marky instead

I'm enjoying VP flailing too much to hammer right now

Thank you mod for the birthday wishes, it is my honour to spend the dying minutes of it catching up with all of you and this game.

So after trying to catch up with everything and filter out all the meta discussion for games I haven't played in, Geraint hasn't given me any reason to stop voting him - I can understand the busyness on his part and hopefully we will get a chance to hear his take on things soon.

Alright I’m just going to put this out there. @Koba I’m not getting Townyvibes from you. I really didn’t like your attempt at a derp clear with the Scum not having Day Talk. In fact, anybody who made a direct reference to that should be under some suspicion (I don’t really have a read on VPB but I also noticed a reference there from him). Until it was highlighted, I didn’t even check whether this was the case. Yes, I initially assumed that Scum could speak privately during the day. But the Scum are far more likely to have wanted to communicate and strategize early, only to realize that they couldn’t (as included in the rules). So anybody who realized this probably felt it would be something they could use to clear themselves by making a point out of it. Paranoid? Perhaps. But something to think about.

I don't think this logic really works and I think you're reading way too much into this. I do think that dk seems to be going pretty strong on shelly on earlier pages based on her posts in

this

game - I'll leave the meta assessments for people who know her better - but the angle andres takes over the whole daytalk thing seems fairly contrived.

TBQH I've skim-read the thread today after a long day at work but will go through people's ISOs etc more methodically when time allows - probs my day off on Monday. I did, however, enjoy the runescape meme. Have a good night all

Afternoon all, got off work early

Ref people asking why Geraint wagon is a thing:

sup whats the gerain wagon all about

catching up now

btw the andres SR was kinda a meme so UNVOTE: Andres

oh wait i misunderstood that

you're telling me to stop saving gerain
gerain's iso is basically the same as all the other lurker isos, i completely don't get this cw at all
confidence in scumflip when we're 48 hours into d1 cant plausibly come from town imo

the gerain wagon seems to be of someone whos low activity + made a weird maths thingy in rvs

don't get how that is scummy at all
this is a trash cw

I am amused that people find my method of generating a random vote, which i have done in many previous games including games which people in this have been in, has caused such a fuss.
I vote whomever posts that many number posts after mine

I'm not gonna speak for others who find him scummy (still have not seen a justification from VP for his vote and would like to see one) but its the following from me:

VOTE: shelleyc

VOTE: NDMath

<insert hilarious quip here about the moral and grammatical superiority of British English 'maths' to the Americanism of 'math'>

<'Englishes'. Math is sometimes considered a language, and one doesn't pluralize languages.>

Hello all. I can do maths. 2+1+7+3=13

Is this a soft?

Probably. 7*7-7=42

Hello all. I can do maths. 2+1+7+3=13

I would eliminate this slot if all I had was the information we have right now.

Why? Are you jealous of my addition abilities?

The jokey brush-off of the suspicion rather than engaging more meaningfully is a classic deflection move. Furthermore, have not had anything meaningful from the slot since in terms of content/analysis/reads so that's why my vote went there and is still very happily there.

In other news...

I'm not sure what DK's posting frequency has been like in other games - there's a decent amount of proactivity in there but also a lot of fluff. Scum me is all about stacking the post count high to make it more of a faff for the town to pick up the important stuff, so I could totally see someone pulling this as a scum move.

VOTE: jackson ill explain in a bit when i can type it up. I believe i hinted at this move earlier but i was hoping to see more info before i transitioned over

I don't think you ever did explain this - yes, you've mentioned the "scumclaim" in #296 but that was way after this post so clearly not the original reason for the post.

Of what we've had so far, Infinity sticks out as a TR for generally solid analysis in their posts.

Stating the obvious, but excited to see what our replacement's take on all of this is and hopefully hear more from TayTay and Maths too I appreciate how rich this is coming from me with my equally low levels of activity

Which particular part of the above do you feel is being misrepped?

Also interesting format of response - if I was factually incorrect in what I was saying about you surely the more straightforward thing to do would be to disprove/correct me rather than just throw words like misrep my way and see what sticks?

Which particular part of the above do you feel is being misrepped?

Also interesting format of response - if I was factually incorrect in what I was saying about you surely the more straightforward thing to do would be to disprove/correct me rather than just throw words like misrep my way and see what sticks?

What are you on about? U said something untrue idc if u wanna believe it or not its on u if you trust me lmao??

You were saying that I was misrepping you without giving explaining how. You still haven't explained what I've actually said that you think is a misrep - I'd like to know please as currently you are just throwing unsubstantiated shade .

I just find all of this a bit odd because if it was the other way around and you were saying that I said XYZ and I hadn't, then my default reaction would be to just correct you rather than making some opaque statement.

Im town cmon

[DkKoba]

VOTE: DKKOBA WOULD SCUM EVER DO THIS??

[DkKoba]

You are all lucky i am at work and cannot prove my innocence!!

[DkKoba]

Im confirmed town the real mafia are voting me!!

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Koba

oh fuck off

im town

unless i did indeed hit scum pr(which i hope i didnt bc it means my reads are garbo lol)

Missed this last night, but didn't Koba later claim that DGB verified the message in her early posts? If DGB did, then koba would know at that point they had not hit a power role.

This means Mark is more likely to flip town here and DGB looks scummier if so.

I did confirm by following the instructions DKKOBA gave me.

VOTE: Marky Mark

Official Vote Count 3.02

Resourcefulness is a key to all schools of bending.

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Official Vote Count 3.02

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to eliminate someone.

Marky Mark: 5

(ELIMINATED)

(Andresvmb, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf, DkKoba, DrippingGoofball)

DkKoba: 3

(JacksonVirgo, Marky Mark, VP Baltar)

Not Voting: 1

(Almost50)

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-12-02 00:26:14)

Mod Notes: An elimination has been achieved.

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MARKY MARK HAS BEEN ELIMINATED!

He was a

Town Role Watcher

.

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Day 3 has ended and Night 3 will now begin.
Night 3 will end in (expired on 2020-11-21 00:21:23).

ANDRESVMB HAS BEEN ELIMINATED!

He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

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Night 3 has ended and Day 4 will now begin.
Day 4 will end in (expired on 2020-12-05 00:18:05).

Official Vote Count 4.00

Fire Lord Ozai was the second firebender to demonstrate his ability to fly using his firebending. The unprecedented technique had only been demonstrated once before by his prodigy daughter, Princess Azula. In this scene, the power of Ozai's firebending is multiplied tenfold, as Sozin's comet, a comet that passes through Earth's atmosphere once per century, neared. This comet gave firebenders unbelievable strength. It is unknown whether Ozai's ability to use his firebending was restricted to the time when the comet was near and boosting the firebenders' bending, or if it was a skill he simply developed close to the end of the timeline of the show's history and was able to use outside of that time. Regardless, the answer would never be discovered as Avatar Aang used a new technique of bending the energy within himself and others to take away Firelord Ozai's firebending permanently.

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Official Vote Count 4.00

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to eliminate someone.

Not Voting: 7

(Almost50, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf, DkKoba, DrippingGoofball, JacksonVirgo, VP Baltar)

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-12-05 00:18:05)

Mod Notes: Day 4 has begun!

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Sup

VOTE: Koba

Infinity's and all detective checks are useless to us now that we know Koba would have done the kill every night up 'til now.

VOTE: Koba

New town squad is me and Jackson. FL is probably scum too, but we will see if anyone backs his FN claim now.

Lemme guess, FL will claim he tried to confirm to Andres

Lemme guess, FL will claim he tried to confirm to Andres

That's what I'm expecting yeah.

FL looks even worse when they were softing Loyal when they weren't

YEP definitely town here im clear

Like how do u not see this proof???

[DkKoba]

except im confirmed town

[DkKoba]

foe'd koba lel

foe doesnt work in mafia forums nice try

[DkKoba]

The whole mafia team is FL VP and DGB just look at how many town wagons theyve been on!!!!

[DkKoba]

Ill prove it right now:
VOTE: FL

[DkKoba]

wow 2/3!!!

[DkKoba]

fr im pretty sure JV is mafia lol

[DkKoba]

look at their vote on me in LYLO????

[DkKoba]

Literally prove that im wrong about FL right now.
You know what??? What about DGB HUH VOTE: DGB

[DkKoba]

TRY ME

[DkKoba]

I WILL PROVE BEYOND DOUBT I AM TOWN NOW
VOTE: DKKOBA

[DkKoba]

oh FUCKSIE WUCKSIEs its lylo haha

[DkKoba]

Fucking Kkoba sent me the entire lyrics to Never Gonna Give You Up.

Because they know they're taking me down this game.

i never did this ??

[DkKoba]

HAH get roleblocked noob

[DkKoba]

JV seeing the light finally

[DkKoba]

Its game over i was towm!!

[DkKoba]

i cc friendly neighbor lol

[DkKoba]

At least I know for a fact it's Jackson now.

JV seeing the light finally

Why would scum not kill the FN they'll almost 100% not hit mafia and then be confirmed. Why would I balls that kill at all, considering you SR me and thus would likely not target me anyway.

This is glorious.

Also I have the benefit of not dying tonight, which is double fun!

Why would scum not kill the FN they'll almost 100% not hit mafia and then be confirmed. Why would I balls that kill at all, considering you SR me and thus would likely not target me anyway.

This is glorious.

This is exactly why.

I have to target someone that wasn't going to die. I almost went Andres. And if you were town, you would confirm me as town here.

Its game over i was towm!!

Look at how JV just skips over role block.

He knows that didn't happen because he got the Friendly Neighbor action.

i cc friendly neighbor lol

clearly u can see that jv and fl are scum here

[DkKoba]

imma lurk out to day 3 and solve, cool with everyone?

hi flavor give me a good reason not to yeet u bc im like 95% sure ur slot is scum

probably scum trying to dictate the gamestate here on first glance ^

I haven't read the game.

read my last few posts and guess.

right, you're probably scum too

who'd I replace? lol

You remember how well that worked out last game? Learn2read m8
Any perceived offense from this post is intended

Why offense? I just told you I think you're town.

I'm a fucking Aspy, sarcasm is already frequently lost on me. You expect me to get sarcasm when it's coached as a bald-faced lie?

I stated you're probably scum, which means I town read you. No sarcasm.

Although, most of the time my sarcasm/sassy nature just gets passed by like it isn't, and I usually stay quiet, because it's totally my fault for being sarcastic with dry sass on forum Mafia. Can't help it.

you flip-flop on me so much though that I can't trust that

I flip flop on everyone. I don't trust my reads to be correct until a bit later in the game. I read gamestate.

Who's scummiest to you so far? I'd like to read the game with your thoughts on the overall gamestate in mind.

like srsly mad scummy to just vote and say nothing shows hesitation and fear

like srsly mad scummy to just vote and say nothing shows hesitation and fear

VOTE: dkkoba

This would have been my exact response, so mind meld with Taylor.

I was gonna do a full catch up, but I got bored on page 4, so I'll be back here and there to respond in real time with people if they wanna talk to me.

Just shout "Hey, Flavor, I like the things you doooo. Hey, Flavor! I wish I could be you. The one and only taste, the one only tiger. It's Flavor Leaf, more than great. They're good."

Don't come for the smoke, if you too intimidated of the puff cloud.

i still dont trust the slot but flavor has successfully made me want to avoid interacting with them so kudos to that

Just for future reference, if you do actually have to ever deal with ScumMe, this is the exact kind of post that will allow me to run the game from behind the scenes.

Is there a chance scumJV would say that and add a scum member into that list? If we're living in that world, that's 2 caught scum.

Also, that's a possible traitor crumb

XDDSDS

[DkKoba]

Sup fam, it's ya uboi JacksonVirgo ready to spice this game up with an epic policy vote.

VOTE: shellyc

policy vote = bad
fakeclaim = bad

andres/jackson/koba gg

Wrong and wrong. Ezpz

Also where did fake-claim come from?

Wrong and wrong. Ezpz

whats wrong

Policy voting

Also where did fake-claim come from?

isnt daycop non normal or something
at least someone told me it wasnt

Ohh I see lmfao, I forgot they claimed day-cop.

i know

Tayl0r Swift is Aligned with the Mafia.

TMI uwu

Hello all. I can do maths. 2+1+7+3=13

Is this a soft?

im pretty sure its normal because im a daycop

claiming early = anti-town

btw, JV said to policy me, but said policy voting is wrong, contradiction

Ok like definitely scum vibes from this slot LMFAO

I know your claim is obvfake, but the second line is serious

Bruh momento I said that you're wrong about polcy lynch = bad.

I’m ignoring all of the claims, since they seem completely made up.

I will say this - from experience, concluding that shellyc is Town this early is a red flag to me. @DrippingGoofball have you played with Shelly before?

1 shot loyal neighborizer here

Okay?

OMGH

[DkKoba]

Sup fam, it's ya uboi JacksonVirgo ready to spice this game up with an epic policy vote.

VOTE: shellyc

policy vote = bad
fakeclaim = bad

andres/jackson/koba gg

Wrong and wrong. Ezpz

Also where did fake-claim come from?

Wrong and wrong. Ezpz

whats wrong

Policy voting

Also where did fake-claim come from?

isnt daycop non normal or something
at least someone told me it wasnt

Ohh I see lmfao, I forgot they claimed day-cop.

i know

Tayl0r Swift is Aligned with the Mafia.

TMI uwu

Hello all. I can do maths. 2+1+7+3=13

Is this a soft?

im pretty sure its normal because im a daycop

claiming early = anti-town

btw, JV said to policy me, but said policy voting is wrong, contradiction

Ok like definitely scum vibes from this slot LMFAO

I know your claim is obvfake, but the second line is serious

Bruh momento I said that you're wrong about polcy lynch = bad.

I’m ignoring all of the claims, since they seem completely made up.

I will say this - from experience, concluding that shellyc is Town this early is a red flag to me. @DrippingGoofball have you played with Shelly before?

1 shot loyal neighborizer here

Okay?

OMGH

[DkKoba]

Shit didnt mean to double post lole

[DkKoba]

But look theyre both mafia together lol

[DkKoba]

modify deez nuts

[DkKoba]

all according to plan!

[DkKoba]

Since I can't die tonight, or FL gets chain-lynched I might as well claim which is much grander than what my role can ever do.

I'm a Universal Backup, I softed it with my first post with the uboi. UB = Universal Backup. I also spoke about how the first PR death didn't matter at all, since I would then take it.

Spoiler: The Holy Grail

Sup fam, it's ya uboi JacksonVirgo ready to spice this game up with an epic policy vote.

VOTE: shellyc

The first PR death literally does not matter so we should not read them based off of them claiming PR alone, especially since scum will almost always claim PR if we let them off the hook but Koba outting a PR to the Town is not something they would do unless literally braindead as scum. Them doing it as town is still stupid but it's fine.

The first PR death literally does not matter

This came out wrong, just ignore this big for a while

I’m not all wrong about this game. I’m not. There’s no way all of VPB/Koba/Flavor are all Town and I’m completely nuts. I mean yeah I’ve been horribly wrong before. But I just find it so convenient this game.

With a dead Detective... one of FL (friendly neighbor) or Marky (whatever investigative he's got) must be scum...

The detective is alive!!!!!! But a zombie instead dwdw

Idfk

Infinity's and all detective checks are useless to us now that we know Koba would have done the kill every night up 'til now.

pedit: You just slipped again. You claimed an Odd-Night FN but then say you hate FN without modifiers. Also you literally choked when I hinted at being in a Masonry. Dude this is certifiable scum.

Get outta here, odd night is different. That's Night Specific.

It's still a modifier

yeah, but you're just nitpickin. i obviously didn't mean that kind, i meant like weak, loyal, disloyal.

this is backed up with my mod meta of using friendly neighbors but always with some sort of modifier.

Self-meta, ew

@Not Mafia - I am not scum. Please trust that for what that is worth. =/ Town loses this game. VP's pocketed by Jackson. or scum.

and dude, self meta is the most delicious thing ever, get outta here with that trash

I can actually see VP/FL/DK as a scum-team

Dude, don't go tinfoil on me.

It's obvious you and I are both town here given our play yesterday with the mark/Koba choice. If I was scum, I wouldn't have tried to push the wagon back onto Koba after the fail hammer on mark.

@FL

, how could you possibly know your action actually hit me. You ignored my question when I first asked it, probably because you don't have a response.

you're just using that as a cover to discredit.

VP re read the game. I am not scum. I don't know what else to do to convince you. Dkk and Jackson tied me together hard, and killed Andres so he wouldn't figure it out.

@FL

, how could you possibly know your action actually hit me. You ignored my question when I first asked it, probably because you don't have a response.

See, he just confirmed it hit me!

I know because I'm good at the game, and can read you.

Your first post of the day made it incredibly obvious you got my message, and decided to pocket VP and frame me.

I can actually see VP/FL/DK as a scum-team

Dude, don't go tinfoil on me.

It's obvious you and I are both town here given our play yesterday with the mark/Koba choice. If I was scum, I wouldn't have tried to push the wagon back onto Koba after the fail hammer on mark.

NO! You are wrong! Jackson played that way ON PURPOSE. Ugh, VP, you have to see it. You are wrong

Again not answering the question.
Also another banger. Why would town!me not react like this if I never got a message from you, and why does my reaction make you think your message succeeded over you getting blocked/rolestoppers etc.

@FL

, how could you possibly know your action actually hit me. You ignored my question when I first asked it, probably because you don't have a response.

See, he just confirmed it hit me!

I know because I'm good at the game, and can read you.

Your first post of the day made it incredibly obvious you got my message, and decided to pocket VP and frame me.

bruh

I fucking answered the question twice.

I'm just that good is the answer.

You are actively misrepping.

Sup

VOTE: Koba

My first post... yes.. this does seem like I confirmed you visited me... very nice

I fucking answered the question twice.

I'm just that good is the answer.

You are actively misrepping.

Uh huh, I'm going to choose to ignore you now.

Again not answering the question.
Also another banger. Why would town!me not react like this if I never got a message from you, and why does my reaction make you think your message succeeded over you getting blocked/rolestoppers etc.

Okay, excuse me if I'm a bit frantic, but I'm fucking town in a game where I'm going to get misfaded and the FUCKING GAME WILL END

How the hell do you think I should be acting?

yes, I could have been roleblocked, but I'm obviously fucking frantic because I'm going to get misfaded.

How come that slips right over for you?

I AM NOT FUCKING SCUM

'
i think you're all wrong

[DkKoba]

[DkKoba]

when ur in autowin

[DkKoba]

im at home now