Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nahdia needs to post some Gambino tunes.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Ali: I don't lol maybe you do

I've played a bastard game with him as scum and he was way different than he is now. Check WWE mafia.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

So your Nancy TR is soooooooooooooo strong you'd rather vote elsewhere than imagine a Nancy/Max scum team?

Luv, talk to me about your Math read.

It isn't a super strong town read or anything but all of the cases provided for scum Math just are either weak or stretching.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

People won't lynch nancy today because she's cute when she's mad.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Giving this wagon 10 pages Ali.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It isn't a super strong town read or anything but all of the cases provided for scum Math just are either weak or stretching.

So what has Math done that make you lean town?

Be Math. The hydra splitting is enough of a reason to believe they're town. Scum don't self-destruct like that.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

How is that information relevant here? Do you even know why The DEO split?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Luv why are you not paranoid that Math is scum acting like she has no fear?

I just don't feel it...

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I wish I could give something better but I'm too lazy to reread. Maybe we can revisit when we're actually in LYLO.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I just think we're fucked honestly. We surprisingly had something going with the little block we had Day 1 but ever since it was broken up, it has been down hill.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yuri flip would have solved so much then and now it's just like whatever.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Wasn't this "town bloc responsible for the two mislynches?

There wasn't any town block Day 2 but Day 1 the town block wanted Yuri but were strong-armed into voting Bee.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The problem is that even if we look back at who was in favor of lynching Bee and helped break up the town block, it still might not help since ABR somehow flipped town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What if we no lynch and then see who scum kill? Maybe that might clear up some things.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

but were strong-armed into voting Bee.

remind me who did that?

Spiffy.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm waiting on Ceasar's case on me.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Gin's is town because of tone.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

That leaves:
Yuri
TheRealGin-N-Tonic
Caesar Wills It
CloudKicker
davesaz
Sondam
NoticeMeSenpai

If you take out Dave and Gin and add Brain and nancy, you have my scum reads.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Gin's is town because of tone.

And what tone is that? Because his tone has gone from charismatic, to agitated to erratic.

Which is not somethibg id consider town indicative for anyone.

Talk me through your thinking here please.

That's normal for him. His tone hasn't felt forced is what I'm trying to say.

His entrance and opening posts feel likes he's part of the overall uniformed majority and his push on Nero isn't malicious and has gone on more than I think scum would like.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Also him ignoring my suspicions and posta regarding the slot almost feels like hes just hoping noone is gonna listen to my opinion

Not sure what to make of that but I don't think it's AI.

That leaves:
Yuri
TheRealGin-N-Tonic
Caesar Wills It
CloudKicker
davesaz
Sondam
NoticeMeSenpai

If you take out Dave and Gin and add Brain and nancy, you have my scum reads.

Nancy is not a diehard townlock for you?

No.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't even know what's the main case on him to be honest.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I've been coasting since the middle of Day 2 to be honest.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Seriously though, I don't feel Ceasar at all.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

nancy did have an interesting reason for why Gin could be scum but it's so like meh.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

We're 5 days out. We really need to make a decision.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

5 days is really like 2 days by the way.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why was it bad?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If we mislynch twice in a row, we lose.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I know that but a night kill still gives us info. A no lynch is forcing scum to give the town something.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Let's see you're a killed, that gives town ton of info.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

lol felt like 2.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Let's say you're a killed, that gives town ton of info.

EBWOP.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

PV is town I'm sure.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Look everyone is being scum read by somebody. There is no Frogger to kill. Who scum choose to night kill will tell a lot.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It isn't like scum don't already have a group of people who they consider to be their pawns that they're going to take to LYLO.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It's a gamble I'm willing to take because I'm stuck. No one can agree on anyone.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Who's wagon been the most opposed so far?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Whose wagon been the most opposed so far?

EBWOP.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Who replaced ooba?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Brian
Ceasar
Dave
Notice
Sondam

Top 5 most opposed hmmm

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Let's do it then.

VOTE: Notice

[Lil Uzi Vert]

BaeReed is scum.

VOTE: Notice

FTFY.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Brian might be town


hmmmmmmm

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Brian might be town


hmmmmmmm

He is Town b/c Drixx

No.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Me and Creature are most definitely town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I can come around to Brain and Nero

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Save your VCA...

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Again, save your VCA

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The Nero read makes no fucking sense at all. Aslan doesn't TR Nero here, ever. The LUV read makes little to no sense. The Brian read doesn't make a lot of sense.

Hey LUV, fuck off. Thanks.

Save it! Save it!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Again, save your VCA

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Again, save your VCA

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Again, save your VCA

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Again, save your VCA

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Please don't motivate me to spam nancy, it's annoying you're auto clearing people off of dumb shit like VCA.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Again, save your VCA

[Lil Uzi Vert]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69195

Dave scum game.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'd even argue that going against the grain and voting who you think are scum is more pro-town than sitting there and going "ok you guys lets all get together and lynch together" thats why I've not been on any mislynches and you've been on both.

Savage.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LOL

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Want to hear from Dave before I vote.

UNVOTE:

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Do we even have time to hear back from anyone? Dave seems like a very busy guy and Pine isn't feeling well.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not trying to be awful nancy I just want you to realize that even with all the data you analyzed means nothing. Anybody could be scum! You, your mom, the mod, anybody!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

We agree on three null/null-scum reads. We're fine.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Gin's found a sugar mama!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Vecna: I like your Dave case but I also want to hear from others like Math who have town meta on Dave. I just don't feel Dave is scum though.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Math: Just compare a few games like Vecna did for Dave.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Scum's laugh track.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Math: Just compare a few games like Vecna did for Dave.

Phone posting in the mall it is not happening right now and what I provided was a direct counter to Vecna's Dave is scum because meta argument.

Felt like Vecna put more effort in, yours seemed half-ass.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

We had told them Natural didn't favor town at all but we got strong-armed

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I just don't think giving a chance for scum to mitigate the impact of misplaying or to reconsider things wasn't pro-town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

However, I don't think you're scum. The Resolution phase just shows how people approach mafia in general.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No, it is just trying to not further the gap between scum and town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Did anyone build the Oracle wonder by the way?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I advocated for the Oracle lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why would you assume I'm role fishing? What if I was trying to catch scum trying to fake claim?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You never know. That's why I did it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not being shit with my vote there has just been literally no case on Ceasar or Dave other than meta lol.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Doesn't feel right you know.

Cloud wagon felt right, Sondam wagon felt right, Notice wagon felt right, etc.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yuri wagon as well did.

The wagons now just feel like scapegoats.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What did Jae say about Sondam again? I know you're basing your read on that slot based on what Jae said.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Those arguments are bad though.

Role playing and effort? I need more.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Like I have 5 scum reads and none have no chance of being wagoned.

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The only argument I can see for PV being scum is that he's being used as a distraction to further fuck with the game state or scum see someone who is never getting lynched in Math as a threat. Both are such a big stretch considering the postition scum are in.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

So a scum tell no one knows that they even said to take with a grain of salt

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Like this feels like Gerry's scum game to me.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I town read most of the people that have been pushing those wagons. Tried talking to people about Brain again and got nothing. No one wants to lynch nancy.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

nancy said I towntold multiple times but most people in this game most likely do not know what she's refering to.

I don't even think she knows.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why are you always on vacation lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

R.I.P. VC

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Nero please.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Even I vote, Dave would be at L-5.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Even if I vote, Dave would be at L-5.

EBWOP.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It's called I'm not scum reading Dave and he's not going to get enough momentum by Friday.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Cloud
nancy
Notice
Sondam
Yuri

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Who's realistically going to get lynched from the above with 2 days left?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I've screwed towns before by not compromising, not claiming, and not giving final reads. Blame the game, not the player.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Blame me then I don't care. Town deserve to pay for their mistakes, including me.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It's meaningless right now. I don't see 9 of us coming together and agreeing on a lynch. Hell you just self voted and Ali voted for someone who has a slim chance of gaining momentum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Large 200 I posted quite a bit.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Call me when someone is at L-2.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The only votes I'll cast for the rest of today will be for someone who is at L-2 or the hammer.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why not?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why are you town reading nancy?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Spiffy actively derailed Yuri for obvious town Bee and had shit cases on Kyouko and Max.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Looked pretty scum to me.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

In Smackdown I had the manager as scum lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I was called crazy but guess who was right?

The problem with me is that I expect people to find what I see obvious and when they don't I get frustrated and stop trying.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm going to say this again. Town deserve to pay for their mistakes.

Two lurkers should have not been the top wagons for most of the day.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Don't even know the VC and I just said L-2 only

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm going to say this again. Town deserve to pay for their mistakes.

Two lurkers should have not been the top wagons for most of the day.

So.....you decide to punish town by being useless? What great pro-town play!

Yes. Then maybe it might wake everyone up.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If you noticed in SD I didn't defend my lynch because it was dumb and town deserved to lose.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm going to do the same thing here if I'm continuing to be forced to vote.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

So get Sondam to L-2 and you have my vote.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I started writing a rant about 17 pages then realized that my eyes are blurry and it's only 7. (bottom of 380 is where I am)
Still that's probably a good half hour if I bothered to closely read it and an hour if I have to think about anything or do research. Maybe 5 minute chunks of time available, if I'm lucky. We'll see if the rate is slow enough to make progress.
And... almost a page while I wrote a paragraph. Good luck with that.

Just jump in. Nothing going on right now.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

thing is, LUV not pushing towards any lynch is actively no lynching and that only helps scum. He even brought up that we should no lynch earlier. If Sondom flips town you guys owe me a Nancy/LUV lynch.

vote:Sondom

Lol same thing could've been said for you if Math or Dave flipped town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I proposed no lynch because any death will give us information. Whereas the lynches we were proposing earlier were essentially policy lynches and you can't really analyze those.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Say we lynch Dave and he flips town. All scum can say is that he was being a lurker and useless. Nothing to analyze.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Now say we lynch nancy, if she somehow flips town, we have reasons that can actually be analyzed.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Pretty much lynching a lurker tells us nothing.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If you're not Ceasar or Dave, your wagon can be analyzed because actual reasons have to be given.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Then we see who was pushing/doubt casting/dare I say buddying said players.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

So you're telling me scum is Ceasar, Dave, PV, and Sondam?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I proposed no lynch because any death will give us information. Whereas the lynches we were proposing earlier were essentially policy lynches and you can't really analyze those.

Are you seriously proposing no lynch? Or are you saying there is nobody you're willing to push? And the 2 halves of the 1st sentence make no sense:

"I proposed no lynch (no death) because any death will give us information" -- so you want no information?
Scumslip? I have occasionally typed what I was really feeling, when it was not what I actually wanted to say.

Last sentence explains first.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Then we see who was pushing/doubt casting/dare I say buddying said players.

Wich is exactly why we lynch and not no lynch. Sorry you flipped scum Luv.

Won't get any info lynching Ceasar or Dave.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Scum have to decide what direction they want the story to go tonight. They might help us, they might not.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Sondam tells us a lot because we've had people defend her in Ali, nancy, and Notice.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Other stuff too would have to ISO them again for interactions.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Might reveal scum theatre between them and The DEO.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

If I see one more VCA like post

[Lil Uzi Vert]

This isn't town Gerry.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Sondam with the alternative facts lol

You haven't given any real reasons for anyone being scum ever since that Titus slip you were pushing.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

All you've said about Vecna is that he's scum for wanting to lynch you and his interactions with Notice. Neither reason you elaborated on.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Can we like get some more votes and lynch sondam?

Vecna, if you can give me a solid reason why you think we are scum, I will self vote. If not I tunnel you for the rest of the game. Deal?

~Gerry

Pretty sure thats what your slot has been trying to do most of the game, but seeing how lackluster anything you guys have done so far, i cant really be sure.

Wheres the passion Gerryboy? Because even DEO trying to rephrase evidence against you has apparently been forgotten, something im not used to from towngerry.

horseshit response. DEO is still scum, idek if they replaced out or what, but they are mafia. but maria doesnt want them last time i brought it up. so i'm settling.

vecna is prob scum for this really bad response. if he "cant really be sure" why is he trying to rally votes on us.

~Gerry

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Implies you think he's scum because he's scum reading you.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Come on Ali and Math! Vote Sondam!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Sondam

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Nay

No brainer here.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Swear this setup is scum sided lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

well let's do a bit of a rundown here:

MathBlade

- between herself and Titus, has to be town surely. it was ridiculous scum-theater if they're not

Brian Skies

- Drixx was so obviously town that i'm sticking to the read. at least until i get a damn good reason why i shouldn't.

Caesar Wills It

- Still think Pine bleeds town here. I'll be disapointed if i'm misreading him *this* badly. but i don't think i am

Vecna

- I would certainly hope he's town considering his behaviour around the ABR wagon on D2.

NoticeMeSenpai

- still a very genuine slot that i would be surprised to see flip scum.

nancy

- Spiffeh's meltdown was town and nancy is fairly town too despite very whimsical read changes.

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Alisae
Nero Cain
Leonshade
Gorkington
Creature
Lil Uzi Vert

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lynch-list

KidAmn - Yuri probably should of been lynched D1 in retrosepect. Yuri coasted like fuck on D2 & D3 when he wasn't under pressure anymore. Wasn't exactly a town-read for me on Day 1 either..i regret not hammering.
CloudKicker - still scum.
davesaz - i got some cold feet about lynching him yesterday but i can't quite remember why. A glance at his ISO shows that reads are still scarce from him and he seems more interested in explaning why he's not giving reads instead of playing along and just giving reads. Vote on Mathblade doesn't impress either.

Thoughts on PV?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I mean it's worth bringing up again since it's Day 4 and we don't have a scum flip yet.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Yay

Fuck it. Too much noise.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

nancy please

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I can see it in your eyes, you're angry. Regret got shit on what you're feelin' now

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm definitely picking a Wonder today.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Math, Forbidden Palace was made for you.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LUV I thought you were going to wait till the modern era. No?
pedit: Why?

I was but I really like a Wonder from this era. I still might though.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

nancy please

[Lil Uzi Vert]

lol now meta is unreliable how convenient

[Lil Uzi Vert]

nancy I like you, please stop embarassing yourself.

Actions speak louder than words. If you actually believed it sucked, you wouldn't have tried to clear or scum read people off of it earlier.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Your wrong because you don't know me lol it's that simple. Which is why I had asked you to describe the personalities of the people you had meta on.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I can't engage with you because I don't even know if you're just on drugs and trolling or serious lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

can someone explain the leon wagon to me like im 12

bonus points for tangible point form reasons.

Something about blending in I think.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Like his ISO is just bad, he's doing nothing but coasting, he's awful in VCA, his jump on the Sondam wagon was obvscum. I have nfc how that Sondam wagon even happened that was the most fucking disgusting thing I've seen all game.

Need to know what your smoking

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Horrible in VCA lol

Shit like that is why you're getting the responses you're getting now.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=70951

Mastina would like to have a word with you

[Lil Uzi Vert]

How have I been useless again? Is it because I didn't hop on the Ceasar and Dave wagons at their peak?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hopefully.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

That bird gif got me rolling right now not going to lie lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No but seriously for people saying I've been useless, could someone explain to me why the cases on Ceasar, Dave, and Math were worth sheeping?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

How have I been useless again? Is it because I didn't hop on the Ceasar and Dave wagons at their peak?

explain to me what you've done this game.

Played my game that you can't read??? lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

And Nero can't answer lol

Like I could be really useless if I wanted to.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

There is a Wonder available today perfect for Ceasar.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LOL why you lying Nero

And no nancy would not play like this if we rolled scum

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LOL

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Creature
Math
Vecna

One of the above I will make hopefully make a neighborhood with and figure things out

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Like you could literally argue useless for every slot in the game lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What about the Yuri slot? Fucking hell

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'll take hammering Sondam. Probably shouldn't have done that.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

But the other shit about being useless is garbage

[Lil Uzi Vert]

lol @ LUV getting all bent out of shape over being called useless.

lol because it's bull, if you wanted to lynch me off the Sondam hammer which is still bad but a much better reasoning fine

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You won't but okay.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I've been trying to sort nancy, what are you on?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No but really, what is there for me to do?

Vote and be on a vanity wagon and then get accused for not voting Ceasar or Dave again? Nah.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I've been trying to sort nancy, what are you on?

What are you doing to sort her?

Who do you even want to lynch?

I rather not say but I'm basically playing in a way to see if her logic and push is genuine and adds up.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I didn't say I wanted him lynched lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Just seems like an option that will naturally come up if enough people aren't sold on Leon or nancy.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not that good of a reason really considering the context nancy.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Gerry knows he was asking for it with how he reacted at the end there.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not enough time to do all that. We had 1 day left.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Again, context.

Jesus.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Also I don't think anyone ever did fuss at you for voting Dave or Caesar so?

but a town wouldn't be worried about getting flak.

Lol you were the main one that did? Are you serious right now?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It takes all of one minute to stop and say what the fuck are you doing Sondam, claim please.

And it takes a good day or two for everyone to weigh in. We didn't have time.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well I'll be going v/LA in the morning until the middle of the week so y'all do what you want.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well I'll be going v/LA in the morning until the middle of the week so y'all do what y'all want.

EBWOP.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I wanted a no lynch because of info and I didn't think the Sondom wagon would happen.

I'm explaining to nancy why we wouldn't have had time to go through them claiming and everyone weighing in.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not worried, just don't want to be annoyed.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Because they were the two major leading wagons and the only thing everyone was talking about for god knows how long lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

None of those 5 people had a realistic chance of happening most of the day.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Because they were the two major leading wagons and the only thing everyone was talking about for god knows how long lol

ok? Why does that make you want to vote them today?

I didn't say I wanted to vote them today?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I said I see it as an option coming up if the current wagons don't pick up

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LOL I had no read. Did you even read me and Maria's interactions?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Me hearing a claim probably wouldn't have changed my mind due to the context.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I said I don't want to lynch Ceasar lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Whenever have I gone with the flow this game?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well hey, after 8am tomorrow I'll be v/LA till the 16th so again, do what y'all want.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Disgustingly good? Why thank you!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well, Ali's vote is the straw that broke the camel's back here. I'm done.

I'm town and haven't attempted to build a wonder.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lol I'm scum for something Grey did