Mafiascum.net

I've been working on this for like 6 hours on and off while looking after a screaming child lol. Eating dinner now, gonna post what I have and come back to it after.

I think PranaDevil reminds me of how Bellaphant plays. I wonder if it's just an English thing.

In post 110, Gypyx wrote:I kinda like these posts from Agar here, even if the reasoning is quite weak, it looks like he's geniuenly beliving in what he's saying

In post 111, Gypyx wrote:and here, i'm kind of suspicious of the fact that gooble kind of sets himself up to be able to lurk later on, or at least not produce meaningful content

Gonna look into whatever completed games Gypyx has at some point, but these feel like standard newbtown observations. I vibe with the first one - that's the sort of stuff I tend to look for when finding townreada early on.

In post 115, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm not saying both of you are scum, but I feel like your early posting fits the bill of circling the most intense focus while still appearing to take part in it.
So far it's just a hunch, but I think Espeonage isn't far off from that same spot.

Today in 'doing what I'm accusing others of doing'...

In post 117, notscience wrote:Also- in your experience with hoopla how did the buddying start? Because I saw her reach out to me and was immediately suspicious for much of what I said in thread- it’s weird for someone to reach out to me like that when it’s my preferred play style. But her answer of similar styles being easy to read made a lot of sense as well as- if hoopla is scum- why worry about buddying me? Surely it sounds like more of you have more experience with her, it’d be much more beneficial to her to work on one of you than cater her play to me (if she would even know how to do it bc we haven’t played in forever)

I really didn't think Hoopla's interest in working with you early was that suspicious. I find it much more odd that you're being so weird about it, almost like Hoopla has you in an uncomfortable spot.

In post 123, gobbledygook wrote:

In post 112, PranaDevil wrote:Seems like a hell of a way to prod-dodge the entire game and write it off as "I said I was doing this at the start of the game".

Do you think that what I have contributed so far is prod dodge worthy?

In post 111, Gypyx wrote:and here, i'm kind of suspicious of the fact that gooble kind of sets himself up to be able to lurk later on, or at least not produce meaningful content

Same question to you. Do you think my contributions so far are lurking contributions?

Yes.
To gobble's credit, I've played with him twice and he was scum both times, and I don't remember him being quite like this.

[quote="In post 149, I like gyphx's posts as of late. Clearly trying to scum hunt.[/quote]
CooLDoG again in the same place as me.

In post 153, AGar wrote:

In post 152, CooLDoG wrote:^what are your scum reads?

Espe and Gobble. Slight discomfort with Hoops?

This took a weird amount of time to respond to.

In post 157, Gypyx wrote:also question, are mafia traitors common in mini normals?

In post 161, Gypyx wrote:

In post 65, Emperor flippyNips wrote:are y'all just the scum team.? ..you can tell me if you are

well then, this post looks really weird to me, might be another one of Flippy's joke posts, but it really stands out in his ISO

Lol. Yeah Gypyx is just town. I don't think there's much explanation for this other than him genuinely going through flippy's ISO and having this as a theory.

In post 169, renaissance wrote:Hoopla, do you still townread notscience? He's pinging me as being overexplainey and kinda apologetic in tone. He's also mentioned your reason for townreading him is NAI.

My predecessor was smart

In post 200, UnaBombaH wrote:

In post 157, Gypyx wrote:also question, are mafia traitors common in mini normals?

Mind sharing WHY you'd consider this a valid question?

A simple solution suggests that you KNOW there is a Traitor, and this was a signal.
Why else would one ever come to think of this?

It seemed like a sensible conclusion for Gypyx to come to to me.
This is a weird one though. If you're town, you'd have to be incapable of putting yourself in a newbie mindset. There's also little motivation for a scum member to signal a Traitor. Unless you're trying to suggest Gypyx himself is a Traitor?

In post 204, notscience wrote:He already answered that question umbreonage and I’m in the same train of thought as you. I either thought signaling team or looking for one.

Mmmmmm. notscience coming in with the save.

In post 207, AGar wrote:Traitor discussion out of nowhere is a biiiig red flag. Without trying to delve too far into theorycrafting optimal traitor play, there is no town reason to bring this up in an accusation, but there’s plenty of reason to do so if you’re a traitor or if you know one is out there.

Town motivation = you think you're onto something.
Traitor motivation = you're letting your team know you're the Traitor.
Scumteam motivation = ???

Hoopla and gobble go on to have the correct opinion on the matter

I find PranaDevil's 214 hilarious. Not a huge fan of the lack of any real conclusion from most of what he says there, but he at least takes a stance on CooLDoG and I could see him just taking his time digesting the rest of what's happened into something that looks like reads. I'm looking for PD to have more solid opinions on the gamestate by the end of this catchup, and if not I'll be cross.

In post 218, Hoopla wrote:one thing i noticed in my rereads was this comment from prana:

In post 112, PranaDevil wrote: Seems like a hell of a way to prod-dodge the entire game and write it off as "I said I was doing this at the start of the game".

UNVOTE:
VOTE: gobbledygook

i don't like this vote. one, because the turkey was contributing in his own way, consistently and eagerly. and two, this was only prana's third vote of the game. seems strange to be leery of someone

potentially

committing a lurking tell, even though he hadn't yet -- while he had only produced three posts himself.

This is the first thing Hoopla's posted that I'm not really getting. There's a pretty clear distinction from PD's perspective between gobble constructing a way to potentially contribute little all game and PD not having posted much yet.

A lot of AGar's analysis seems based on what would be objectively sensible town play, instead of what individual town would be likely to do (see: his scumread on Gypyx based on traitor speculation being something town wouldn't do). In my experience, this is a rather safe way for scum to contribute without stepping too much out of line. But it could also be a personality thing. Just makes it hard to get anywhere with an AGar read or sync up with any of his posts.

In post 227, Hiraki wrote:town blocs are still stupid and the only person you should trust is yourself

This is a bad opinion

Leaning town on Hoopla for her explanation of Gypyx-town in 229 matching my thoughts rather well.

AGar's 230 says a lot of words to say that Gypyx is a new-ish player who brought up the concept of a Traitor. There's a lot of presumptive reasoning in it in a way that I see from scum a lot more than town.
I'm not seeing town vibes from it at all, which makes me very confused by notscience insisting it's super town right after.

So many of notscience's reads are suuuuper flip-floppy. There's room for most of them to change on a dime. Just look at this post:

In post 240, notscience wrote:Agar town for the similarities in train of thought like I’ve mentioned before

Hoopla still leads town but that weird post hiraki mentioned still irks me a bit

I liked Renaissance’s entrance into the game but still want those reads explained

I’m tempted to townread hiraki but can’t really place what it is that makes me think that way?

I liked my interactions with una so far so leantown there

I still want an explanation from Espeonage about the damn night prep because he’s been ignoring that question multiple times which is sketchy as shit

LicketyQuickety is still in this game and I don’t think he’s even posted

Turkey I’ve resolved to give him a few more days and see what he does with the space he asked for earlier

I want to iso warmcat because I frankly struggle to remember what he’s done

I didn’t feel either way re prana

Nippy flips I don’t think has done anything either but I’m pretty sure someone said that’s par for the course for him

Gyp I still don’t have good feelings about the traitor thing for the reasons in my iso

The only read here that I feel couldn't change on a whim is AGar-town.

In post 247, UnaBombaH wrote:

In post 224, notscience wrote:I just don’t get how a newbie pulls traitor spec out of their ass like that tbh

Exactly.
My questions might seem like a silly repeat on the surface level, but there was more to it than that.
The real questions is still "WHY".
I get it, their answer was sufficient enough for why they became suspicious and all, but WHY did they just drop that questions in the thread as it was?

At this point this feels like a rabbit trail that's easy to pursue in place of real scumhunting.

In post 249, Gypyx wrote:Ok, question, I see that no one has actually made any coments on the content of my read, apart from Flippy saying "yo that would be a sick traitor strat" so could anyone think about the read on it's own?

He wants people to engage in scumhunting with him and is annoyed that they aren't. This is town.
(Fwiw Gypyx: I don't think your flippy-Traitor theory holds much weight. It's certainly , but I have no problems with the statement coming from town!flippy either. If it's true, it requires a lot of assumptions and is worth thinking about much later instead of right now.)

In post 251, PranaDevil wrote:It means you missed half the thread where CooLDoG got so hung up on the N1 Vig meme claim that he was pushing for it to be lynched day 2... I advise reading it.

The fact in later posts you've been town reading CooLDoG despite him literally trying to set up a day 2 lynch already is suspicious to me.

There are so many more things you could have opinions on at this point, and yet you're still hung up on this to the detriment of having other opinions.

In post 286, PranaDevil wrote:

In post 264, Espeonage wrote:You weren't in my scum list friendo

In post 265, notscience wrote:

In post 37, Espeonage wrote:Currently I have cooldog and notsci as potential scum for going in to night prep immediately.

Yeah... this isn't a good look at all.

I'll happily shift to an Espeonage wagon, though I'm still super suspicious of CooLDoG for the earlier stuff so my vote stays there for the time being. Both are good wagons.

Alright, there's another opinion, but this seems to be the only context for it. There's no real evidence that PD scumreads Espe outside of this. It's either scum or rather lazy play.

In post 294, gobbledygook wrote:Ok, so now that Lickety is posting these are my thoughts.

PranaDevil is town
Gypyx is town
Hiraki is town
CoolDog is town
Hoopla is town

Espeonage is scum
Agar is scum
Notscience is scum

CoolDog read is conditioned on something I don’t want t reveal right now.

In post 295, gobbledygook wrote:Renaissance town too. I forgot

This is decently close to where I I am at this point in time. I'm not really seeing PD-town or Hiraki-town yet and I have a mild townread on Espe, but everything else adds up.