A Clash of Kings - A Divided Kingdom

[RichardGHP]

Vote: Super Smash Bros Fan

for having too long a name.

Are we allowed to self-raise?

[RichardGHP]

Uh...

Fakeclaims are given to scum specifically to counter something like what you suggest.
Early blip on the scumdar.

[RichardGHP]

Also, you can't use one game where it was successful and tell me it's 100% proof that it will work this time.

[RichardGHP]

In that case,

Raise: RichardGHP

.

The FoS on people not self-raising works both ways. Scum can self-raise too. But then, townies who are not self-raising are suspicious because they are giving scum a clear oppurtunity to get more raise votes.

I do, however, support the self-raise policy and once we get close to deadline, we can start making a more informed decision on choosing someone to get such a powerful role mechanic, if that makes sense.

[RichardGHP]

Lol CMAR.

[RichardGHP]

@Drip: It's hard to analyse stuff when there have only been RVS posts that will most likely not affect the game in any way.

@CMAR: I find it pretty hilarious that you have a "genuine scum read" on me when we're only on Page 3 and nothing has even happened yet. If you have actual reasons, I'd like to see them. Otherwise, stop trolling.

Also, I do not agree to the contract.

[RichardGHP]

Screw it

##Unvote Vote CMAR

Trying to lead town out of RVS on PAGE 2, claiming he has a scumread on me when I haven't done anything wrong, and stating he knows "for a fact" that he is town. Oh, and the contract thing, too.

Seriously, what townie does all that?

[RichardGHP]

Vote: Super Smash Bros Fan for having too long a name.

Are we allowed to self-raise?

Sigh, this question came across very weird to me. No one else had even thought of it prior to this and it seemed, I don't know how to describe it, so I classify it as anti-town. Yes, I realize I am self raising myself, but the fact that he thought to ask the question does not sit right with me.

So I'm not allowed to ask for a clarification of the rules??

Uh...

Fakeclaims are given to scum specifically to counter something like what you suggest.
Early blip on the scumdar.

It was so obvious that he was joking, and you're not one to normally be serious and misunderstand humor. Also, the fake claim thing, why even speculate about scum? You find him scummy for making a joke? Oh please.
But the fact that you took it seriously and are SO advert to it is kind of ridiculous. Why is a mass name claim so bad right now?

It wasn't obvious to me that he was joking. So, I criticised his motion. Nothing wrong with that.

Also, you can't use one game where it was successful and tell me it's 100% proof that it will work this time.

Again the lack of humor he has and again the why does he care so much about a suggested mass name claim? Why did you feel the need to reiterate how bad a mass name claim would be for town?

How is an EBWOP containing one surplus sentence caring so much about a mass nameclaim?

The FoS on people not self-raising works both ways. Scum can self-raise too. But then, townies who are not self-raising are suspicious because they are giving scum a clear oppurtunity to get more raise votes.

Again with the speculation about scum, the WIFOM, and reading it from a scum standpoint makes more sense to me than reading it from a town standpoint.

Yes, it is WIFOM, but it isn't speculation. It's just common sense.

@CMAR: I find it pretty hilarious that you have a "genuine scum read" on me when we're only on Page 3 and nothing has even happened yet. If you have actual reasons, I'd like to see them. Otherwise, stop trolling.

Hey guys, look here, blatant contradiction, number 1 scumtell!
So I'm trolling because there is no way I found a scumread through three pages. But, this is okay?:

Fakeclaims are given to scum specifically to counter something like what you suggest.

Early blip on the scumdar.

Hmmm...so it's not okay for me to scumhunt in three pages, but you can scumhunt with one? Why am I not allowed to scumhunt again?

So me pointing out one tiny little thing is scumhunting?

Also, I do not agree to the contract.

If there is a pro-town reason for not agreeing with the contract, by all means, explain it to me.

I'm not going to agree to a contract I will potentially break (see: bandwagoning), nor am I going to agree to a contract proposed by the only person in the game who is pushing on me. When, and only when, you are dead, I will agree to the contract.

Screw it

##Unvote Vote CMAR

Trying to lead town out of RVS on PAGE 2, claiming he has a scumread on me when I haven't done anything wrong, and stating he knows "for a fact" that he is town. Oh, and the contract thing, too.

Seriously, what townie does all that?

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet, now I'm scummy for trying to help the town in his words. This is pure brilliance folks

Twist my words less please? I said you're scum-like for trying to LEAD the town. I do not see how you are helping it in any way. I did not say anything about you helping the town.

Responses in

bold

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I would support a lynch of either CMAR or Drippereth (the latter being based on policy).

I concur with post 78. Deer and I both were/are in the two games in question and I can attest to his statement.

Also, CMAR, you are not the end-all-be-all dictator of this game. No one cares if you say RVS is over; the town will decide that for themselves. Nothing annoys me more than someone who tries to take control of the town on the first page or two.

@Macavity 76: There wasn't anything to analyse (of note, anyway) when I made that statement. IIoA is a nulltell, too, along with contradictions.

[RichardGHP]

@Lynchmepls - Drippereth, assuming she's who I think she is, will only make newb townies and/or bad townies crumble under pressure whilst not actually finding scum.

@Percy - Town reads though are still suspicious, because there are likely more stellar town players than power roles.

[RichardGHP]

There you go again. You keep trying to dictate the game by leading the town and speaking on behalf of them.

Sorry to tell you, but one serious vote by one player =/= town going out of RVS.
It brought YOU out of the RVS, but you can't expect the whole playerlist to follow your lead right off the bat. I do not believe that any misunderstanding on our part took place.

98 solidifies my scum read on CMAR for the facts that he: Uses AtE; attemtps to lecture us on the definition of RVS; still believes that he is in control of the game; and resorts to profanity which had to be intercepted by the mod. GG.

[RichardGHP]

IIoA is a nulltell, too, along with contradictions.

Contradictions do not give any information about alignment? Town is just as likely to contradict themselves as scum?

No to first, yes to second.

I'm going to lol when Drippereth is wrong - AGAIN

[RichardGHP]

EBWOP to fix quote tags:

IIoA is a nulltell, too, along with contradictions.

Contradictions do not give any information about alignment? Town is just as likely to contradict themselves as scum?

No to first, yes to second.

I'm going to lol when Drippereth is wrong - AGAIN

[RichardGHP]

I'm going to lol when Drippereth is wrong - AGAIN

Townies don't taunt in this way. Scumz do.

WELL I GUESS THERE'S A FIRST TIME FOR EVERYTHING BECAUSE I, A TOWNIE, JUST TAUNTED IN THAT WAY.

LMP - That is exactly what a policy lynch is (lynching due to playstyle). I thought, and it is now confirmed, that Drippereth is DGB, who tunnels extremely hard with no basis which only results in newb townies being crippled under pressure. Being in a game with DGB is almost unbearable, unless you're both on the same scumteam.

[RichardGHP]

DGB/Elli, I have only played one game with you guys and it wasn't pleasant at all. In fact, the sheer aggression and condescension DGB so blatantly displayed caused me to replace out of the role that I had only replaced in to a couple of RL days beforehand.

As for the link Drippereth provided, that post was about policy lynches on people who play badly overall, like me, instead of those who play overly aggressive, lead mislynches on townies and are just extremely annoying to have to put up with, like DGB.

[RichardGHP]

Drip, we get the point, my play is horrible and scum-like. Now can you please do some actual scumhunting?

[RichardGHP]

@SSBF, 206: The vote was not OMGUS because I provided reasoning. You might think the reasoning sucks, but it's still valid and therefore not OMGUS.

Will respond to other posts later.

[RichardGHP]

Definition of OMGUS: Voting/attacking a person solely for the reason that they are attacking/voting you.

I provided reasoning other than him voting/attacking me, therefore, it is not OMGUS.

End of discussion.

[RichardGHP]

It was most likely a pressure vote, "Cow".

If not, then what Cow said. Voting for a playerslot just as it changes hands is bad.

[RichardGHP]

Claim: Renly Baratheon

I am Robert's youngest brother. I have decided to be King, but their are currently bigger problems to attend to.

If I die, Ser Loras is able to perform one kill to attemp to avenge me. Therefore, I know Ser Loras is in the game. However, I do not know who (s)he is and what alignment they are. If Ser Loras dies before I do, nothing happens upon my death.
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Rereading this morning.

[RichardGHP]

Dana sticks out to me as scum, btw.

"Oh look guys Richard's at L-1 so I'll unvote to show everyone how townie I am"

Classic scum tactic.

[RichardGHP]

Richard, does getting lynched count as dying?

My PM didn't specify, but I would assume so, yes.

[RichardGHP]

PM'd mod for clarification, awaiting reply.

[RichardGHP]

This just in, any form of death counts, so yes, lynching is a viable option.

[RichardGHP]

No, I don't know anything about that Axel. PMing the mod again. >_>

[RichardGHP]

K, mod PM'd me saying that all I know is that I trigger the ability to kill; I don't know who does it, or when.

[RichardGHP]

Raivann, you have absolutely no right to call my claim BS with no reasoning. If you're going to attempt to tear my claim to shreds, at least say why. Jesus.

He sounds like he just want rid of a townie, and I'd wager that he knows who Ser Loras is.

[RichardGHP]

Vote: Kleedrac

If anyone really really really really REALLY wants an explanation I'll post it either tomorrow or on Friday, when I do my catching up post.

[RichardGHP]

Raise Percy

[RichardGHP]

Will post on Friday.

[RichardGHP]

Well, at least we have a comparable ISO feature now.

Post coming tomorrow.

[RichardGHP]

Question: How many people at this point would be willing to lynch me today?

[RichardGHP]

EBWOP: I would like everyone to answer my question, please, and give reasoning for why or why not.

[RichardGHP]

I don't think it should be looked into too much. Plenty of people vote first and give reasons afterwards.

[RichardGHP]

@Percy: I promised a post, you got one. Quit complaining.

[RichardGHP]

Why do you think I haven't been participating?

[RichardGHP]

Vote: CryMeARiver

DieScumDie

[RichardGHP]

Be more specific please. Do you have any limitations? What about flavour?

BTW, someone should unvote just to be safe, but a clear wagon should remain evident. Raivann shouldn't be off the hook because of a vig claim.

[RichardGHP]

No, you shouldn't be off the hook. Claiming a PR is NOT a free pass out of a lynch.

Needless to say - you are not the lynch for today, but you definitely are not clear.

[RichardGHP]

Beric Dondarrion,

Innocent Aligned

My bolding. Something that was missing from Richard's claim, I'd like to point out.

Jesus, does it really matter? I didn't put it in there for two reasons. One, because that would be verging on quoting, and two, because when someone claims (unless they outright claim scum), it's generally assumed that they're claiming a townie role, even if they don't include a wincon or whathaveyou.

No, you shouldn't be off the hook. Claiming a PR is NOT a free pass out of a lynch.

Needless to say - you are not the lynch for today, but you definitely are not clear.

Well, aren't you a hypocrite?

No?

Lynch me if you must, but for the love of God don't do it based on either of the two quotes above, nor on the improbability of two innocent-aligned vigs. That would just be horrible and inexcusable play, no matter what your alignment.

[RichardGHP]

Well...

that's certainly interesting.

[RichardGHP]

Sorry peoples. School and general life has been hectic this week.

I will be sure to make a decent post on Friday, or Saturday at the latest.

[RichardGHP]

Time to put one wagon in the lead:

Vote Dana

Because SSBF is town.

Catching up tomorrow as promised.

[RichardGHP]

ITT: Decided to can the catching up post (at least ATM) because there hasn't been much going on lately in proportion to what is happening elsewhere.

[RichardGHP]

Drip didn't say that they weren't JK'd/RB'd, they said that they wouldn't know if they were. Big difference.

[RichardGHP]

Flavour please.

[RichardGHP]

Nope, other than you shouldn't have even claimed at all. Pre-emptively addressing that statement doesn't make it any less valid, either.

Since I haven't read the books, can we get an educated opinion in whether the claim fits flavour-wise?

[RichardGHP]

Gidday diddin.

This game is an interesting read. Please read the entire thread, as there's a lot of important stuff in there. tl;dr CSL has no vote, Percy has two votes and I'm clear. Oh, and we're lynching danakillsu.

[RichardGHP]

Anti-prod post.

I have nothing else to say until we lynch dana.

[RichardGHP]

I was scum in that game, if anyone is looking for a good laugh.

[RichardGHP]

xvart, I've already said that I have nothing more to say until dana is lynched.

[RichardGHP]

Nope, but there's no use in going after two or more people at the same time when there is a clear wagon in the lead and only one lynch to be had per day.

[RichardGHP]

Percy, unless you are a discussion-whore, you might as well hammer dana with your other vote.

[RichardGHP]

No point to me stepping foward. I suggest Percy.

Vote: Vezo

[RichardGHP]

Guys, I'll become more active on my own time and terms. Bugging me about it will get you nowhere and only waste time.

[RichardGHP]

Thor: Flavour?

[RichardGHP]

Step Foward

as per Cow's request. Still don't see the point, but whatever.

[RichardGHP]

Light candle for Cow

[RichardGHP]

Wow... haven't made a post since Monday. How the hell have I not been prodded?

Unvote

I would be OK with an Unsight lynch, I think. I'll think about it some more and vote later tonight or tomorrow.

[RichardGHP]

Posting here until a big case on someone is made so I can vote . Until them I will let my vote on mina.

Vote Mina

I'd like an explanation for this now.

I will second this.
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Vote Unsight

[RichardGHP]

That's L-3.

[RichardGHP]

Great defense Unsight.

/sarcasm

[RichardGHP]

SSBF, you know as well as anybody that my power you speak of does not extend to significantly helping the town. I'm a terrible clear, I'll admit. The power goes to my head and I coast until death or endgame.

FoS diddin

; Sounds like rolefishing.

[RichardGHP]

If you really want a claim (which I'm assuming you do) you wouldn't be voting for him. A claim would be nice, but face facts. It's going to fit flavour-wise, is likely not going to be provable and will only delay this day even further. Scum rolefishing/trying overly hard to look town.

Not to sound immodest, but 1801 kinda sounds like AtA/maybe AtE too.

[RichardGHP]

That's your cue to string him up, folks.

[RichardGHP]

Prod received, nothing else to say.

[RichardGHP]

I am here. I will be making a decision on who to vote for very soon; can someone summarize the SSBF case into a few sentences?

[RichardGHP]

If the only thing against SSBF is that he hacks, then I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Flavour speculation is not only anti-town but pointless.

[RichardGHP]

Prod received.

After rereading a bit I'm comfortable with the SSBF wagon.

Vote: SSBF

[RichardGHP]

I think the same group of people are going around in circles. Why haven't we lynched yet?

[RichardGHP]

Probably Unsight.

[RichardGHP]

Vote: CSL

I could get past hammering the doctor but stuff like 2116? WHAT THE HELL.
AtE and deliberately playing against your wincon. I'm really voting you out of rage but I suggest you replace out if you plan to just give up after one bad hammer.

[RichardGHP]

diddin, what are your opinions on the people who aren't 1) clear, 2) Unsight or 3) CSL?

Such as Mina, Macavitar, MoI?

[RichardGHP]

^ If this is true I can get past CSL's horrible play at the start of today.

[RichardGHP]

Unvote, Vote: Macavitar

HoS: CSL

[RichardGHP]

Mac: Yes, I read your claim. I'm just more inclined to believe the guy who is mod confirmed...

[RichardGHP]

@Mac - I know how trackers work. Your claim just seems really out there and ambiguous and unlikely.

[RichardGHP]

I mean, a mason who is suppsed to find one person in a large playerlist? Maybe I'm just too narrow or simple minded to accept and acknowledge the likelihood of that possibility. I mean, no normal person will just think "coincidence" when someone has been tracked to a corpse.

Gah.

Unvote

while I try to make sense out of this hopeless labyrinth of roles.

[RichardGHP]

MoI: I can give you scumreads, but they won't be team-specific because I'm just not that guy.

Rereading the last few pages today - hopefully this will amount to a real content-laden post!

@hascow: Why would xvart have any motivation to block Mac?

[RichardGHP]

I debated whether Miku's comment constituted a breadcrumb of his role, and eventually decided against it. I'm like that with breadcrumbs and softclaims. >_>

Still deciding on maybe revoting Mac.

[RichardGHP]

I have a question for Mac; which part of the hydra made the claiming post?

Assuming 2 scum and a Mac town flip, I think CSL and Unsight are the scum. CSL one is really WIFOM-y though, I wouldn't put much stock into it.

[RichardGHP]

Wait a little while. The end of this RL day, I'll be ready. Promise.

[RichardGHP]

Happy to wait out the day a little longer. I still have some stuff to reread that can't be done at night.

Off-topic, Mina, why the lack of air-con?

[RichardGHP]

Lol, I thought you had AC which malfunctioned. My mistake. (Where I come from, you don't have air-conditioners - you have heat-pumps because it's so Goddamned cold)
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I agree with Mina's point on Mac's roleclaim - I'm looking for a little more credible evidence than his actions during the day or choices during the night. I don't agree with either, to be frank, but I'm not hammering over them - at least not yet.

[RichardGHP]

EBWOP: Such evidence won't be found in this thread, so don't bother looking.

[RichardGHP]

No, Mac, I'm finding the evidence all by myself.

[RichardGHP]

I'm just trying to give a little insight to my thought process.

[RichardGHP]

Reading over a few of ML's scum games, he seems to have a knack for endgaming - good fakeclaims play a big part in that. One game, as I recall, he revealed that he rewrote his claiming post several times before submission for maximum believability. I don't think that this mason-hunter claim would be a challenge at all, as long as one has a lateral mind and scum's best interests at hand. Daring enough to be a town role, relatively simple to fake as scum. Perfect.

I'm willing to hammer. With your permission, Mina?

[RichardGHP]

Indeed - you still could have prepared one (or been given one... lol) beforehand.

[RichardGHP]

Hasfdhsfhsgfds, what EXACTLY does your role PM say flavour-wise?

[RichardGHP]

Paraphrase.

[RichardGHP]

Paraphrase.

[RichardGHP]

Nobody hammer yet. I want a paraphrase of Cow's PM.

[RichardGHP]

...

I'm not questioning his clarity, or his claim. I just want a paraphrase.

Or Mina's blessing to hammer, whichever comes first.

[RichardGHP]

Yes.

[RichardGHP]

FFS, just do it.

[RichardGHP]

Oh my God. It isn't rocket science, Cow.

[RichardGHP]

Someone has claimed to be looking for Cow, by way of mason recruitment.

Cow has not revealed any of his Role PM at all.

Put the fucking pieces together.

[RichardGHP]

I would like a paraphrase regardless.

I knew if I had to spell it out for you, then you would simply decline my request and quote what you said in response to Mina. :S

[RichardGHP]

Cool. I'm good to hammer Mac now.

Any objection?

[RichardGHP]

Don't you have a magic fakeclaim to prepare?

[RichardGHP]

I love how Mina is the center of this game's universe.

Carry on.

[RichardGHP]

Some kind of record, I'm sure.

Mod;

when is the deadline?

[RichardGHP]

ML - Innocent Aligned and a Town wincon I presume?

[RichardGHP]

Unsight is good.

Vote: Unsight

CSL, Thor: Do you have an opinion on what team Unsight is on?

[RichardGHP]

Unvote

Thinking about something important. My mind will likely be made up by the end of the day.

No-Lynch is a terribad idea, especially when it is confirmed not to be MyLo. Hard to believe people are seriously contemplating it - you are only giving the scum a free kill and setting us back at square one tomorrow. How many scum are there? 1 or 2?

If there is one scum left, we have 3 mislynches before 3 way LyLo; if there are two opposing scum
left, we have have one mislynch before 4:2 MyLo (If one scum kills the other, we get another mislynch before MyLo. If the two scum crosskill then yay!). If there are two scum from the same team (unlikely), we have two mislynches before MyLo.

Now, if there are indeed three scum, then No-Lynch is the optimal course of action today. But the likelihood of that isn't exactly sky-high. If each team has three members and there is an entire team left, then frankly, we're fucked. But I can almost guarantee that that is not the case; that there are 4 people to both teams. We have at least one mislynch at our disposal, two if a mafia dies tonight. Let's not sit around on our hands voting for No-Lynch when we have a mislynch to use and

information

to gain.

[RichardGHP]

Oh you just had to go and do that didn't you.

[RichardGHP]

I'm fine with hammer - Mina?

[RichardGHP]

Vote: Unsight

I'll die before we No-Lynch with at least one ML to spare.

[RichardGHP]

diddin, you may wish to remove "soon" from your signature. It's taken me moths to get near the top of the Mini Normal queue, and things are going pretty slow at the moment. >.>

[RichardGHP]

FoS CSL

[RichardGHP]

Vote Macavitar

[RichardGHP]

Wait, that's not right.

Unvote

for a minute. Flavour is confusing the hell out of me.

[RichardGHP]

Wasn't Cow claimed Tracker?

[RichardGHP]

I suppose. Pity it didn't work out.

Vote Mac

Hammer it.

[RichardGHP]

Oh, that.

"Hope Unsight is scum", you said. Or something to that effect. It has the same connotation as publicly congratulating the doctor after a no kill, or cursing after a PR dies. Trying too hard to look town.

[RichardGHP]

Is that all you have to say about that?

[RichardGHP]

No reason. Just wanted to know for various intents, possibly purposes.

[RichardGHP]

I was responding to diddin, not CSL.

[RichardGHP]

And I don't really see CSL as any sort of scum, to be honest. If anything he reads as Third Party but that's long gone.

[RichardGHP]

Mac. Do you find it more likely that there are 2 scum on the same team left or two opposing sum?

[RichardGHP]

*Scum

[RichardGHP]

There is still the whole Cow/you/mason thing...


and I very much doubt that the two opposing sucm you speak of know who each other are. Correct me if I am wrong?

[RichardGHP]

Unvote

If there was ever a rock and a hard place.

[RichardGHP]

Is there anything wrong with hunting a specific team?

[RichardGHP]

Remind me how you and diddin are cleared of being Greyjoy?

CSL probably thinks you're confirmed scum as well. You aren't, but you're not far from it.

[RichardGHP]

Do you think that a mislynch today puts the game into Kingmaker on Day 7?

[RichardGHP]

Vote: Magna

; Post please.

May change back.

[RichardGHP]

I'm going to pass my vote to Thor, because I don't trust myself to not screw it up. He can decide which team we go for today.

[RichardGHP]

V/LA for 24-30 hours as of tomorrow morning.

If you need me to vote then say so by the end of the day.

[RichardGHP]

Nvm. Content enough with my vote at the moment.

[RichardGHP]

CSL is almost def. town.

Confirm Vote: Magna

[RichardGHP]

Votes off CSL. NOW.

[RichardGHP]

There is only one logical answer to be given. I trust you have the necessary brainpower to work it out?

[RichardGHP]

I happen to think CSL is town. This feeling is not based off of any specific information; only gut, which is apparantly to be followed.

[RichardGHP]

Gah... after an ISO read my head says that he's scum of some sort but my gut just won't accept it.

Unbiased help from the other obv. town?

[RichardGHP]

The more I look at CSL, the more I think he's scum. I'll probably have my vote on him by the end of the day. Sorry in advance if wrong.

Mod: Hypothetically, what would happen if the only two people left in the game were from opposing scum teams?

[RichardGHP]

(@CSL) Take that as a hint. You have about 4 hours to convince me you are town. Not that anyone else is scum, that YOU are TOWN.

[RichardGHP]

[RichardGHP]

Unvote

I will do it, you know. You have one post.

[RichardGHP]

Want me to hammer, diddin?

[RichardGHP]

Vote: CSL

L+1

[RichardGHP]

Somebody kill me tonight so I can rage in the QT.

[RichardGHP]

Thanks scum, will enjoy raging in the GY.

Go town!

[RichardGHP]

The dead QT is EXTREMELY long. Just a heads up.

[RichardGHP]

Not so much swearing, but yes, a lot of "OMG ITS OBVIOUS TOWN ARE LOLSTUPID".

[RichardGHP]

IMO Richard should be avoided at all costs. Confirmed town from D2 and lives to D6(7?) and does absolutely NOTHING to help this town win. While being a dick about it, with posts like "haha, I should have been prodded but I wasn't". What a complete jerk.

No. Just stop. We all have our bad games, this was one of mine. I hardly if ever play well as clear, and at least I made a decent effort to participate in the last few days. Get the hell off your high horse.

[RichardGHP]

No one is denying that CSL played horribly by self-hammering, but NO WAY does that warrant a site ban. A stern warning and a spot on some people's blacklists for a game or two would suffice.

[RichardGHP]

In most cases, hydrae should get free passes for contradictions, unless the contradiction is relevant (don't kid yourself... a hydra's read on someone does not constitute relevance) and made by one head on their own.

[RichardGHP]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... start=1325

[RichardGHP]

I take it you'll be using your Eddard Stark alt for ASoS?