Khan's Wacky Xylbot II Mafia (Mini 1441) (Game Over)

[The Rufflig]

Greetings!
Am I the last to arrive? Tsk. I must work on my timeliness.

I've not played xylbot before, but I doubt that will cause me too many problems.

!vote Mac

[The Rufflig]

I can already tell that I'm not going to get along with Untrod_Tripod.

I'm not sure what to make of Parama's ugly hammer. He followed it up by putting some effort into a post, but ... I'm just going to adopt a wait and see.

Shos is rubbing me the wrong way. I wasn't fond of how he pushed for a Varsoon lynch on such a weak case. I also didn't like him defending Parama's hammer.

BBmolla also defended Parama's hammer. No, sorry, but Parama doesn't strike me as the type to need defending or to make stupid hammers on accident. While BBmolla was actively posting on D1, he didn't actually do much. Has anyone actually seen a policy lynch on another player succeed? I haven't, but that doesn't seem to stop players from wasting a lot of time doing nothing with an "excuse" for doing said nothing.

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VOTE: BBmolla

[The Rufflig]

Where's this coming from?

Your iso #3, #4, #5, & #6. You may feel these are harmless little jokes, but my feeling is these are not appropriate remarks.

[The Rufflig]

:Badposting:

We aren't at a point where we can PL anyone. And I don't really get why you're railing against him, anyways.

(Also, damn you're no one here.)

Mostly because there is so little to go on. Take a look at his D1 play. He spends most of his time on setup with a nudge now and then towards a Monkeyman576 lynch that absolutely no one cares for. I don't mind if you call it a weak case - it is. Just don't call me scum or we will have words.

[The Rufflig]

It's cause he's unlyncher and I'm his target

Interesting, I don't see unlyncher in the list of roles.

[The Rufflig]

Hmmm,

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VOTE: Syryana

[The Rufflig]

It's another weak case. He's just been rolling with what other people have said. His vote on Varsoon felt that way. He hasn't even bothered to mention why he is voting for shos -- his only substantial mention of shos was to say that shos had a good point on Varsoon. He's just been voting the popular wagons with a me too attitude without any other contributions towards finding scum.

[The Rufflig]

!xmafia prod Mac

[The Rufflig]

Well how bout for his bulletproof fakeclaim, his derphammer, his insistence that shos is mafia and his equal insistence that BB is town/jester?

This is bad.

[The Rufflig]

Yes, it was specifically the BP thing that I was referring to. I do not count efforts to move the game beyond rvs (no matter how weak or lame) as scummy.

[The Rufflig]

Welcome, wind-up.

[The Rufflig]

Personally, I think Shos has addressed the last quote box. So, I'll jump in here with my own two cents on it.

Considering what was available to go on, I don't think Shos vote on Varsoon was unwarranted. My opinion is that Shos calling for my votes on Varsoon was intended to apply pressure to Varsoon. From the various posts, I'd say that at least some of those on the Varsoon wagon were indeed applying a pressure vote and not intending to lynch Varsoon. Parama holding Shos responsible for his own derp hammer is terrible.

[The Rufflig]

@Untrod_Tripod: What is your reasoning behind your vote for Shos?

[The Rufflig]

Thanks for coming back, Parama. Please don't do that again. This game is already slow enough as it is.

What good would prods do (assuming the mod will issue one) when there is no mechanism to replace a player who receives too many prods? There is no deadline either, so ... yeah.

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VOTE: Untrod_Tripod

[The Rufflig]

This post shows a good summary why not.

I think you've gotten everything that you're going to get from Shos on this. I hope you don't mind me interjecting here.

I don't feel those quotes disprove a Syryana - Parama connection. You're overlooking the possible motive of Syryana distancing himself from Parama because of the hammer. I would weight that type of quote more heavily in favor of there not being a connection, if that sort of interaction had happened before Parama's hammer.

As there may be two separate scum teams, I do not understand the push to try and make Shos tie all his suspects together as one scum team. As Shos himself did not try and tie Syryana and Parama together, why make a big deal about these two scum suspects not fitting together?

Somewhat related to the above, Shos case on BBmolla is too weak for me, currently. Sho's case on BBmolla is based on Parama defending BBmolla. If we assume Parama is scum, then we are left with the question of whether his behavior towards BBmolla is the result of buddying up to a townie or actually defending a scum buddy. However, if we assume that Parama is town then we are left with no actual case on BBmolla. I won't support this argument unless Parama flips scum.

[The Rufflig]

Hmmm -- ah, so he did.

I'm shooting for a {BBmolla, Parama, Syry} scumteam for the while.

[The Rufflig]

||| MAFIABOT || Use command !Prod to prod. |||

Ok, lets give it a whirl.

!prod Untrod_Tripod
!prod wind-up

[The Rufflig]

No time! D: *headdesk*

And you had to wait for a prod to tell us? Wait, you knew coming into this game that you wouldn't have time to play it, but signed up anyway? Here is your entire contribution to the game thus far:

Flimsy wall, don't like him asking Varsoon for reads after hammering him either. Especially since he said they'd be useful somehow.

Yup, that's it for the week that you've been in the game. Sadly you don't have the worst record. That award goes to Untrod Tripod who has been in the game for three weeks and here is his entire contribution to the game:

using me being on a wagon you yourself supported.

On top of this sad contribution to the game, we can add that he ignored a question directed at him. Funny how quickly he showed up after a prod was issued (assuming the mod actually issued one before he showed up).

Which reminds me:

!xmafia help prod

Specifically, I'd like to know the absent time necessary for a prod to be issued. Also, whether these prods will add up to a replacement. If so, how many? If not, is there a command that we can use to petition a force replacement for a player? Will we be notified if a prod has been actually issued (it doesn't appear so)?

!xmafia help deadline

[The Rufflig]

Was this directed at molla or Parama?

Hmm? It was a response to Shos and serrapaladin who both asked why I voted for Syryana.

[The Rufflig]

I believe that puts shos at L-1.

And no, you weren't Parama.

*sigh*

!prod serrapaladin
!prod BBmolla
!prod Syryana
!prod wind-up

!xmafia vote deadline

[The Rufflig]

I did, yes. If none of you have anything left to say or questions to ask, perhaps you might vote for a deadline in hopes of moving this game along? Or we could just wait for wind-up.

@wind-up:

You're pretty much the lone hold out on the 2 major wagons. Where do you stand? You haven't mentioned either player, yet.
(Ok, shos isn't on either wagon, but I very much doubt that he is going to vote for himself).

[The Rufflig]

Man, I really don't think so... If he were lurking scum, I'd think he'd make it more active. He's not even trying to look as though he's participating. If this game were any larger, I'd agree with a PL, but we don't really have the time for that.

Obviously, he hasn't put any effort into this game. Would you support a force replacement of Untrod Tripod?

!unvote

!xmafia replace Untrod Tripod

[The Rufflig]

First lynch Untrod.
If scum, attack Serra for his quick change on Untrod or Rufflig for trying to force-replacing Untrod, while Untrod is now at his peak in activity.
If town, which I doubt, Serra is still a good option for faking reads.

So leave Syry alone.

The reasons for my vote on Untrod Tripod were because he wasn't contributing, the game was stalling, my vote on Syryana wasn't doing anything and the notion that some pressure on Untrod Tripod might get him to say something of substance. Since then we've been given a tool to replace players who aren't playing and a tool to impose a deadline. So, I thought I'd try those routes first.

I am quite willing to hammer Untrod Tripod, but not for at least a few more hours. Why? I want to see if wind-up shows up. It's been nearly 24 hours since the mod prodded him. Yes, I'm likely going to vote to replace him and I'm hoping to get some support on this, if he doesn't pick up his prod.

@Untrod Tripod:

You probably ought to claim.

[The Rufflig]

!xmafia replace wind-up

[The Rufflig]

Welcome, Tierce.

Damn it, Tierce. I've been trying to tone down my towniness so I could make it further into the games more often. Looks like I'm still a fairly easy alignment read, though. Oh well.

I'm willing to play ball on Parama.

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VOTE: Parama

[The Rufflig]

@syryana:

Could you explain something for me? You opened up today voting for shos back in #201 with no explanation. I'm guessing that you felt the reason was obvious and no explanation was needed. However, just a few days later, part of your case on Parama (#243) was "his insistence that shos is mafia". This is a point that you actually were agreeing with. Why is Parama scummy for believing that Shos is scum, when you were also thinking that Shos is scum?

[The Rufflig]

Hammer away, Shos.

Was there some reason you couldn't move your vote from Untrod Tripod?

[The Rufflig]

@PimHel:

I'm a bit confused about your attitude towards Parama. It seems to me that you didn't really feel that his hammer was scummy. In fact, you went scum hunting on those who felt Parama was scummy. It wasn't until Tierce replaced in and made his initial case on Parama that you saw anything scummy about him. However, once Tierce made his meta case, you decided that this case proved that Parama was town. However, you really haven't explained this well (I didn't click all the links - was there a particular one that I should have?). Parama looks like he will be lynched today. Therefore, I was wondering why you hadn't really tried to save Parama since becoming convinced of his towniness. You haven't put much effort into explaining why Parama is town or particularly pushed for an alternative wagon.

[The Rufflig]

@OS

Can you give detailed reasoning about the players you think are scum?

This please. OverSoul, your large wall contained no reasons for the conclusions at the end. I'd rather not take the time to tear apart the conflicting points contained within it.

I'll give in-depth reads first, when I find some time, though. I really don't know why PimHel is calling be out on that so much more than for example Voided or BB, but I'm happy to oblige.

You've been putting off those reads for awhile now. You now have a partial reason why PimHel is picking on you, too.

[The Rufflig]

Why do you keep insisting that there are two scum teams?

I didn't insist that there are, but the odds are good. This comes from the test setups. I'll clean things up a bit and do some coloring.

mafia:

Tracker, Gunsmith, Ascetic;

sk:

Soulshifter; town: Mirror, Jack of All Trades, Amnesiac (Doctor), Cop, Alien, Secret Role (Super-Saint), Inspector Gadget (Naive), Townie, Townie (Death Miller)

mafia:

Mafioso (x2), Randomizer;

sk:

Mad Monk; town: Bodyguard, Night Watchman, Astrologer, Hot Nurse, Magistrate, Paranoid Suicide Bomber, Townie (x2), Secret Role (Radiant)

mafia:

Cheater, Witch;

mafia2:

Delayer, Watcher; town: Mystery Role (Bodyguard), Voteblocker, Coward, Ascetic, Amnesiac (Disabler), Secret Admirer, Doctor (Quack), Townie (x2)

mafia:

Mad Gunman, Mafioso;

mafia2:

Mafioso, Witch; town: Morpher, Doctor, Radioactive Friendly Neighbor, Reviver (False), Twin, Townie (x3), Townie (Death Miller)

mafia:

Redirecter, Mafioso, Malfunctioning Inventor; mafia-ally: Inventor; town: Watcher, Role Cop (0%), Unlynchable, Eavesdropper, Twin, Cop (Paranoid), Mystery Role (Magnet), Townie, Retired Cop (Paranoid)
town: Cop, Watcher, Cheater, Retired Arsonist, Ascetic, Townie (x3), Radiant, Lovestruck Townie;

wolf:

Beta Werewolf, Vicious Werewolf, Alpha Werewolf

mafia:

Roleblocker, Mafioso, Ascetic;

sk:

Devil's Advocate; town: Arms Dealer, MUP, Vigilante (SK Miller), Gunsmith, Secret Role (Ascetic), Angel (Fallen), Townie, Cop (Naive), Townie (Miller)

mafia:

Godfather, One-Shot Redirecter;

mafia2:

Godfather, Watcher; town: Cop, Gunman with a Conscience, Malfunctioning Inventor, Computer Hacker, Retired Arsonist, Twin, Townie, Sibling (x2)

mafia:

Mafioso, Paranoid Suicide Bomber;

mafia2:

Redirecter, Frame Artist; town: Cop, Reviver, Witch, Cheerleader, Magistrate, Unlynchable, Reviver (False), Secret Role (Ascetic), Townie (SK Miller)

mafia:

Tracker, Mafioso;

sk1:

Death Arsonist;

sk2:

Serial Killer; town: Census Taker, Kill-Immune Townie, Darwin, Day Cop (Naive), Delayer, Unlynchable, Sleeper Bodyguard, Townie, Cop (Naive)

mafia:

Mafioso, Eavesdropper;

mafia2:

Disabler, Watcher; town: Double Voter, Mystery Role (Mad Monk), Role Cop (0%), Retired Arsonist, Eavesdropper, Ascetic, Cop (Naive), Radiant, Townie (Death Miller)

mafia:

Doctor, Mafioso, Hitman;

sk:

Poisoner; survivor: Ascetic; town: Anarchist, Reviver, Sleeper Vigilante, Sleeper Reviver, Voteblocker, Mystery Role (Magnet), Townie (x2)

mafia:

Day Disabler, Cheater;

mafia2:

Mafioso, Ascetic; town: Double Voter, Cop, Gunsmith, Coward, Townie (x4), Skulker

mafia:

Role Cop, Frame Artist; town: Turncoat, Cop, Faerie Godmother, Death Vigilante, Magistrate, Cop (Random), Townie (Miller), Sibling (x2);

wolf:

Beta Werewolf, Alpha Werewolf

cult:

Cult Leader;

mafia:

Reflecter, Godfather; town: Mason (x2), Cop, Mutant, Amnesiac (Jackie Chan), Disabler, Super-Saint, Cheerleader, Doctor (Quack), Townie (SK Miller)

mafia:

Role Cop, Mafioso;

mafia2:

Godfather, Spy; town: Cop, Mystery Role (Inventor), Doctor, Thief, Nervous Watchman, Super-Saint, Day Cop (Naive), Townie, Townie (Death Miller)

sk:

Vampire; town: Vigilante, Jack of All Trades, Combat Medic, Magistrate, Townie (x3), Secret Role (Green Goo), Lovestruck Townie;

wolf:

Beta Werewolf, Vicious Werewolf, Alpha Werewolf

mafia:

Doctor, Mugger, Secret Admirer; survivor1: Ascetic; survivor2: Witch; town: Double Voter, Bomb, Turquoise Goo, Delayer, Death Vigilante, Role Cop (0%), Mystery Role (Magnet), Lovestruck Townie

So, that is 18 test setups. 15 of 18 have multi-ball scum in them. I'd say the odds are good that there is more than 1 scum team. There is exactly 1 setup where there is 1 scum team and 1 vigilante.

[The Rufflig]

Think twice on Syryana. We may indeed be in MYLO.

mafia:

Redirecter, Mafioso, Malfunctioning Inventor;

mafia-ally:

Inventor; town: Watcher, Role Cop (0%), Unlynchable, Eavesdropper, Twin, Cop (Paranoid), Mystery Role (Magnet), Townie, Retired Cop (Paranoid)

A 3-man scum team with a mafia-ally is possible. Keep in mind that PimHel did not use his ability until last night - this might have been a game-ending play on his part. Otherwise, he could have waited one more night.

@Syryana: Would you mind tossing a vote somewhere to prove that you were blocked?

[The Rufflig]

In a 3-man scum team:
8 alive need 5 votes to lynch. 8 votes - 3 scum votes - 1 townie who can't vote = 4 votes. Scum lynch impossible. We would be in MYLO. Best course of action would be a no lynch. Tomorrow would be LYLO.

In a 2 man scum team:
8 alive, 5 votes needed to lynch. If PimHel had not been killed, town would not have the required votes to get a lynch today. As it is, we need all remaining townies to lynch a scum unless one of the scum busses his partner.

Either way, I suspect a blocked Syryana means Syryana is town.

[The Rufflig]

I had been assuming that mafia-ally was similar to traitor. I've tried to find out if xylbot tells the mafia-ally who the members of the mafia are, but I've failed to come up with a definitive answer. I'm going to err on the side of caution and assume that xylbot does not do so. Which means that PimHel merely did not believe that Syryana was mafia - a disappointing conclusion.

[The Rufflig]

Which means that PimHel merely did not believe that Syryana was mafia - a disappointing conclusion.

Wait, wouldn't it mean that he did believe Syr was scum (or at least not town)?

What possible motivation would PimHel have for trying to voteblock a member of the mafia? Why would PimHel believe there is a non-town, non-mafia faction left in play?

[The Rufflig]

But why would Pim target Syr over someone more obviously town like Rufflig or Tierce, if all he wanted was to block a town vote?

Because he couldn't coordinate his ability with the mafia kill. He had to avoid likely mafia nk targets.

[The Rufflig]

It would. The role 'Saulus' starts out as a mafia-ally. However, if a 'Saulus' role is lynched then it will revive and become an ally to the town.

[The Rufflig]

Leaving aside gambits and PRs for the moment, if PimHel knew who the mafia are then his best course of action would have been to voteblock a townie -- the town would no longer be able to lynch anyone without the mafias' help -- with our roleblocker and vig gone, the town would have been hard pressed to stave off a scum victory. I don't see PimHel (or any competent player) trying for a WIFOM gambit in these circumstances. Heck, even not knowing who the mafia are, this still remains his best course of action.

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@Shos: My feeling is that it's probably a tad early for a mass claim. I also think that a mass claim is neither likely to help or especially hurt at this point. So, I'm not opposed to it, either. This setup seems fairly tame in spite of its name.

[The Rufflig]

I imagine so, but the bit about it being a gambit would be entirely different if he had lived.

I don't follow you. Under what circumstances would you feel that this could be a gambit?

[The Rufflig]

Rufflig, who's scum?

SerraPaladin

[The Rufflig]

Rufflig, who's scum?

SerraPaladin

Why aren't you voting?

You don't seem surprised at my answer. You didn't even ask why it is SerraPaladin.

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VOTE: SerraPaladin

[The Rufflig]

Why you're not voting your scumread is a bit more important than why he's your scumread.

I'm having a really hard time answering that without being snarky. It seems that you don't trust me. Ok.

I didn't see the need to bring it up earlier. I've been content letting the day play out for awhile without tipping my hand.

[The Rufflig]

Let's start with this from today:

Scumreads are Syr and shos.

VM, what happened with your nightaction? I doubt there are two mafia-allies, so if he's an actual inventor, he's basically town.

You placed shos on your scum list before hearing from Voided Mafia knowing full well that Voided Mafia might be able to condemn Shos or partially clear him. If there was any doubt that shos might be condemned as a malfunctioning inventor, Voided Mafia would have been killed to avoid the immediate threat. The scum had to let the uncertainty about shos be lifted as they felt a pressing need to deal with PimHel. Why PimHel? His sudden flip-flop on Parama read like a day-cop to them, so they missed his mafia-ally crumb. PimHel getting off another investigation would have had less chance of successfully identifying a scum than shos being exposed as a fraud. (Note: malfunctioning inventor may give an ability that does not malfunction according to the role list.) If shos was scum, the mafia would have had to risk PimHel staying alive another day and taken out Voided instead.

I seem to have drifted off topic there. My apologies. Still, why list shos as scum before verifying with Voided Mafia?

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This caught my eye from yesterday:

So this guy is third party? I doubt he's scum, but third party sounds about right.

You have actual scum candidates and you stop to take the time to ask about if a townie looking player might be a survivor? This just feels like you were quietly probing the waters to see if there was a possibility of a Rufflig mislynch in the future.

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From day 1:

My initial vote on Untrod was mostly because he was being useless, but given we're down to 10, probably with a good 5 non-town role, I thought better of it. Syry and shos have both been objectively more scummy. Best case, Untrod is town who doesn't really care about the game. Worst case, he's the actual jester or something and wants to get himself lynched. Either way, I don't like his lynch at all.

!xmafia replace wind-up

Your read on Untrod going from scummy to townie was completely WIFOM. I don't really see the difference between Untrod and wind-up. The former was present, trolling and not producing content. The latter was not so present and leaving a string of broken promises to produce content. The key point being that neither was producing content. However, you were quite fine with letting Untrod stick around. You had a problem with wind-up. Which means if I'm right about you, then I'm going to have to go after Tierce next.

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We also have your string of broken promises to produce detail reads with the exception of Syryana. I don't care about detailed town reads, but reasons about your scum suspects are in order.

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Enough to start with?

[The Rufflig]

@serrapaladin: I can come up with no better explanation for PimHel's death. There were two players rather widely regarded as townie, 1 exposed power role in the form of an inventor and a player who had openly acknowledged receiving an ability from said inventor. Why else would the scum bypass all of these targets to kill PimHel? If Voided Mafia had been killed then the question of shos ability would have continued and been much more WIFOMy. The only scum pairing that works with shos would be Voided Mafia. shos choosing PimHel last night is troublesome in that regard. Syryana/shos pairing does not make sense.

As for this game being a bit of an energy drain, I agree. I don't really feel like arguing over my alignment. I'm not third party. I'm town. I can prove it. I have a demonstrable ability. Would you care to know what it is? I see little reason in hiding my ability any longer as I must be a prime target already. I'll tell you right now that it will be impossible to lynch me this game and these little remarks of yours will never go anywhere.

[The Rufflig]

You need to reread my last post when you aren't in a hurry, serrapaladin.

[The Rufflig]

What about your post should I have reread, Rufflig?

I'm not third party. I'm town. I can prove it.

If you're a survivor, you don't actually have any interest in lynching scum, so that would make the most sense to me.

I'll say it again, I can prove that I am a townie. My ability is not given to mafia or third parties. My ability is demonstrable, so you don't have to take my word that I have such an ability. In essence, I can confirm myself as a townie. Do you need the proof?

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I've made my justification of shos and Syryana not making sense before, but perhaps I've made an assumption that I shouldn't have. I'll walk through it once more. Shos claimed to be an inventor. Voided Mafia has confirmed that shos is an inventor of some flavor. If shos is scum, then he must be a malfunctioning inventor. I've assumed the chance of an invention malfunctioning is 50/50 from a malfunctioning inventor based on the wording of the role -- but it isn't spelled out. A mafia shos leaving Voided Mafia unblocked and alive therefore has a 50% chance of being exposed as scum. I don't see the mafia taking on that much risk to try and prove shos is town. Thus, if shos is scum, then Voided Mafia would have to be shos' partner. So let me repeat the key points. If shos is mafia then he can not rely on his invention to work properly. If it doesn't work properly, then he will be exposed as scum. A scum shos can't just send an invention to a townie to prove himself with no followup against that townie without great risk to himself.

If you know for a fact that the odds of a malfunctioning inventors' invention to malfunction is significantly lower, then I'll agree that shos could be scum and indeed be scum with someone besides Voided Mafia. Otherwise, a shos/Syryana pairing does not work for me.

[The Rufflig]

@SerraPaladin: I've been concerned about you trying to discredit me by implying that I'm third party. Even more so then addressing the cases against you with any specifics. You've been waffling over shos since day 1. Today, it has just gotten silly.

Didn't Voided clear you? Why are you voting him?

But why would scum-VM clear you? Unless of course you're both scum...

Voided could have only condemned shos, who is scummy independent of his claim. I highly doubt scum-shos would kill Voided, as Pim was under much less suspicion, and Voided's death would implicate shos. It's pretty silly that you had to come up with the hypothetical that scum thought Pim was a day-cop for your musings to make sense.

I haven't been rolefishing at all. I explicitly said that I DON'T want to know about WHAT happened, just WHETHER something happened or not. I wanted to see whether there's any evidence that shos might be a Malfunctioning Inventor.

<snip>

Rufflig, are you being serious about not coming up with a better explanation? You know that people can lie, right? There is no way of knowing whether shos actually targeted Pim last night. If anything, it's a bit convenient that shos' target also happened to be the NK target. Why does Syry/shos not make sense? Please ISO Syry and look for mentions of shos. He's making the classic mistake of completely ignoring his scumbuddy. shos sending 1 role at town-voided to confirm himself and the second one at his scumbuddy, while claiming to have targeted the NK target, makes sense. I don't know how exactly the Malfunctioning Inventor works, but I would assume that the chance of a single use on a townie confirming his as Malfunctioning is rather slim. In terms of being above suspicion, Pim was as good a target as any, so I could see why Syry/shos would choose him.

<snip>

So yeah, Syry/shos makes the most sense, and if there is a third, it's probably Tierce.

You went from Voided Mafia cleared shos to a possible shos/Voided Mafia combo and from there to doubting Voided Mafia as part of a combo with shos. Finally, you ask why I'm not buying a Syryana/shos pairing. I don't think you really believe "that the chance of a single use on a townie confirming his as Malfunctioning is rather slim." If that were true, then you wouldn't have thought Voided Mafia had cleared shos at the beginning of the day. I'm not following your logic on this "progression".

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@BBmolla: Feel free to express why you feel Syryana is scum. I don't recall you ever giving reasons.

[The Rufflig]

Ugh.

serrapaladin, as a claimed survivor, you now have the same credibility problem that you were trying to place on me. Furthermore, your claim places this game in

MYLO

- you'd have every reason to try and get a townie lynched. Your claim of having jailed Voided Mafia last night does not imply that shos is scum. Your alien claim does throw some doubt on Voided Mafia - if true. Which again is a problem - you have no need to be truthful as any mislynch is a win for you. I doubt you were blocked as that would make at least 3 roleblockers in this game.

As far as your alien claim goes - I'm somewhat skeptical. I can't disprove what happened with PimHel. I also can't disprove that you blocked Voided Mafia. You certainly could have claimed to have jailed Voided Mafia earlier in the day and forced a lynch on him. Though if Voided was mafia aligned then you would have been placed on the short list of people the scum want to nk and prolonged the game at least one more day. So, you would have had no real desire to come forth with your information. However, you do have a vested interest in getting one more mislynch today to win the game and an alien fake claim could be your means to that end.

Therefore, I will oppose any lynch that depends on your alien claim being true.

[The Rufflig]

If the town mislynches and the mafia night kills a townie then the game will end at the break of dawn. You don't get to choose who you win with. It is done for you by the mod. If a win condition can be attained by counting the survivor as a member of some faction, then it will be attained. You don't even need to know who is in the faction.

I don't see the mafia night killing you and throwing away a guaranteed win.

[The Rufflig]

Voidedmafia: Why are you being so dense lately? serrapaladin claims to have blocked you on n2 -- the same night you claimed to have successfully used what you got from shos.

[The Rufflig]

!UNVOTE

[The Rufflig]

Double UGH!!!

Voidedmafia: So you're claiming to have purposefully misdirected us. Clean up your mess and tell us why you did it.

Serrapaladin: Yes. Shos and I both told you. The mod won't help you. The survivor role does not have a description.

[The Rufflig]

As serrapaladin's claim makes this mylo, I've changed my mind.

I am in favor of a mass claim.

[The Rufflig]

Now, Ruffling, explain what I would get by intentionally lying about this.

Hypothetically, you're protecting serrapaladin from being lynched by sacrificing yourself and this was planned ahead of time. There you go, possible scummy motive.

As far as the mass claim goes, I was trying to drum up support for the idea. If there isn't enough support, then it won't happen.

[The Rufflig]

so I, as scum, when asked by buddy-serra if I used an item N2, claim that I did so while knowing that I never receieved one that night.

At a later date, when pushed on by serra that I'm lying, I admit to such to sacrifice myself to give serra townpoints?

Is this correct?

The first half, no. The second half, yes. Though the reason may not entirely be town points. serrapaladin may have an ability that will make it much easier for him to win than for you to win. There is also a remote chance that serrapaladin is a cultist leader. In which case, you would have to sacrifice yourself for him.

Anyway you look at it, you are avoiding the questions put to you by spouting some of the most inane tripe. There are seven other players in this game besides you. Only 4 of them have seen your latest remarks. All 4 of them are questioning you heavily about them. What do you think the other 3 are going to do when they show up? Lame excuses like 'maybe I received it during the day' aren't going to cut it when shos has already said that he works at night. It really looks like you are trying to get yourself lynched.

[The Rufflig]

I'm not sure I buy the theory that Voided is trying to get lynched to save buddy serra especially if you think this is MyLo with serra's claim.

Why wouldn't they just move onto someone who isn't their buddy and attempt to get them lynched?

I am not insisting that my reason is correct. It is just one possible reason. What I do feel is that Voidedmafia's play does not make sense from a townie perspective.

One of the reasons that shos seemed cleared as an inventor was because that Voidedmafia was not killed or blocked. Now Voidedmafia is all like "Oh, yeah. I was blocked last night. That wasn't important or anything, right? LOL!". Yeah, it was important and I see no reason for a town aligned Voidedmafia to have kept it to himself especially as he was directly asked! What reason would he have to do that from a townie perspective? Why won't he explain it? Go read the serrapaladin and Voidedmafia exchange again from the beginning of the day. It's all there. Everything from having used the ability N2 (not during the day, but at night) to the ability working correctly (making malfunctioning inventor less likely). This misdirection was deliberate.

[The Rufflig]

It would be nice to know how old that game is. The list has a different description for survivor. I have been basing mylo on the mechanics of a survivor on mafiascum. In that respect, I could be mistaken. Well, I guess we will have to wait and see what our xylbot actually quotes; that should give us a clue.

I really didn't want to do a bunch of quoting, but ... this is all from today (DAY 3)

Voided, can you confirm shos?

Serra, Tonight or last night?

VM: Last night. Did you use whatever he gave you?

VM: Last night. Did you use whatever he gave you?

yes.

...and?

...and?

Why do you need to know what I got and how I used it to confirm Shos?

Shos says he gave me something. I've confirmed I got it. At the very least we've already confirmed that Shos's roleclaim is true. What else do you need in that regard?

Because if he's a normal Inventor, he's town (as I don't think we can have 2 mafia-allies), but if he's a Malfunctioning Inventor, he can be scum.

I don't care what you got, I care about whether it worked as intended. If he's Malfunctioning, you would still get an ability, but it wouldn't do what it says on the tin.

I don't care what you got, I care about whether it worked as intended. If he's Malfunctioning, you would still get an ability, but it wouldn't do what it says on the tin.

Oh, it worked as intended, alright.

If Voidedmafia is now telling us the truth, it is very hard to read that conversation without thinking that he was not being misleading (at best) at the start of day.

[The Rufflig]

Which means that you did not receive something that you expected to get night 2. When we theorized that shos was probably not a malfunctioning inventor because you didn't get killed or blocked night 2, you didn't speak up because ...?

[The Rufflig]

*sigh* And this would be why I wanted you to straighten things up yourself instead of making me drag it out of you one question at a time.

Are you saying that the ability was not used on night 2?

[The Rufflig]

Which is why I asked you to straighten out your statements. I'm just trying to pin down your story.

Anyway, I've had enough. I'm not going to waste anymore time on this matter. You obviously do not want to cooperate. You seem to wish to be lynched.

I am will to lynch either Voidedmafia or serrapaladin.

!xmafia votes

[The Rufflig]

Where are we on mass claim?

I'm good with it.

Pretty much right here. The three of us are in favor of it and no one else has bothered to say one way or the other. I'd appreciate it if the rest of the players would give a simple up or down vote to the idea - explanations optional.

The mod quoted the role from the game serrapaladin linked, so it looks like I was wrong about how survivor works in xylbot.

[The Rufflig]

No, I don't have a list, Voidedmafia. If I did, you wouldn't be on it. I don't care what you claim anymore. If you reach L-1, I'd hammer you without asking for one. You had your chance to try and convince me that this was all some sort of mistake or memory lapse on your part. You blew it by posting more lies. Ciao.

[The Rufflig]

Yes, it was a beautiful day, Voidedmafia. The weather was perfect for grilling some steaks outdoors.

[The Rufflig]

Voidedmafia: No. I have no need for you to respond to my questions. I have no need to point out any lies, because my words do not form the basis of the case against you. I won't engage in a pointless exchange just so you can troll me. To everyone else, you can ignore anything I said to or about Voidedmafia since I'm not backing it up. There. Are we done here? I am.

[The Rufflig]

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Ok, I got it now. The message you received at the start of day 2 said that I was town aligned, didn't it? You never used the ability that shos gave you.

*goes off grumbling to himself "I can't believe ..." *

[The Rufflig]

You received an inspect ability from shos at the break of day 2. Later that day, but still very early on, you received a message stating that The Rufflig is town. Your inspect ability did not spontaneously activate and target a random player. You still have that inspect ability since you've never used it!

[The Rufflig]

Would you believe me if I said that I wasn't some flavor of neighbor? Yes, I am a neighbor though I won't state what type, yet. I'm pretty sure you can guess who my day 3 target was. Day 1 ended before I used my ability.

The reason it didn't cross my mind was because I knew damn well that I sent the msg to xylbot on day 2 after Voidedmafia had checked in and posted a few times. It didn't occur to me that Voidedmafia might have flubbed up reading the ability that he got from shos and combined it with my day 2 event into one impossible event. I suspect no other player here would have combined the two events in such a manner. I was supposed to easily decipher his blunder into the correct series of events? (Although, if Voidedmafia had cleaned up his statements without making me drag it out of him maybe ... ). Once Voidedmafia checked the time stamps and stated that the ability went off on day 2, it took a little time to sink in as I was already convinced that he was scum.

[The Rufflig]

Oh, I wanted to share one more thing that I dug up.

If a Malfunctioning Inventor gives out an role it is one of the following:
Inspect: normal, naive, paranoid or 100% failure
Block: normal, 50% failure or 100% failure
Kill: normal, 50% failure or 100% failure
Protect: normal, 50% failure or 100% failure
Equal chances all around.

Apparently, it isn't always so easy to see if the inventor is malfunctioning or not.

[The Rufflig]

I dug it out of one version of the xylbot source code. There are two more versions of the inventor contained therein which are not in the posted list. The source I looked at did not contain radioactive friendly neighbor, but had the other two flavors of neighbor. So, take the information with a grain of salt.

[The Rufflig]

Day 2 started on the 13th. Mac requested replacement on the 16th. It is possible that Mac submitted an action. We have no corroborating proof from wind-up. However, Tierce's first post indicates that such an investigation took place or that she was setting up for such a claim. Considering my lack of presence on day 1, I imagine I was at least a potential player to be checked by any inspect abilities.

On a related note, the source code I have states an inventor gives out an inspect, block, kill or protect. It is possible that Kublai Khan isn't running my version of the code, but ... let's say I have some doubts about psych. How does one mix up a psych ability with receiving a player's alignment??? I don't understand Voidedmafia.

[The Rufflig]

Jesus Christ I can't believe that claim worked.

To be fair, I did actually fuck with Voided with the intention of getting him/shos lynched, except I delayed him.

Dead QT is a fun read.

Lots of rage was had in our QT about Pim.

Tierce/OS can post it if they want.

Thanks for modding again, KK!

It's not so much that your claim worked, but that town did not have enough votes to lynch you or any of the mafia. If Syryana had had his vote, you would have been lynched. So, no, you didn't fool the town with that claim. It also means I was right about Tierce though I couldn't make a good enough case on him at the time. Not that it would have mattered - only the town no lynching might have let the game become winnable by the town. I really wasn't expecting a 3rd mafia with a mafia-ally.

Well, congratulations scum. I will say that I think friendly neighbor is possibly one of the most useless roles in my hands. My inner towniness just shines too brightly when I am town.

[The Rufflig]

Sorry, Tierce, I keep messing up on that.

[The Rufflig]

Also, yes, I didn't start putting things together until day 3 -- too late in this case. I wasn't able to get much of anything from the very short day 1. Day 2 was much more helpful.

[The Rufflig]

To be honest, claiming sibling didn't really hurt. It was MYLO, after all. The mafia could have mislynched anyone and won. The only way forward for the town was to no lynch and then not have one of the siblings night killed. As the town was not going to no lynch, the claim of sibling didn't matter.