NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

[sangres]

hi guys

[sangres]

Quite interesting that you'd call for a PL on hermy when you've done almost all the same things as her in the past, sakura.

^^ Not RVS

[qutoe]Oh and also VOTE: guyett no more drunkhammers man. [/quote]

^^ RVS?

[sangres]

Quite interesting that you'd call for a PL on hermy when you've done almost all the same things as her in the past, sakura.

^^ Not RVS

Oh and also VOTE: guyett no more drunkhammers man.

^^ RVS?

tags fixed

[sangres]

Are those bothering you?

-Lebron James

Who is this addressed to?

[sangres]

can hydras sign their posts pl0x

Betting on at least one to refuse and expect you to know who is talking at all times.

At least two.

[sangres]

Are those bothering you?

-Lebron James

Who is this addressed to?

You, of course.

-L. J.

Do I know you?

[sangres]

Are those bothering you?

-Lebron James

Who is this addressed to?

You, of course.

-L. J.

Do I know you?

Does that matter?

If we don't know each other, then the question isn't quite so strange.

[sangres]

If we don't know each other, then the question isn't quite so strange.

Well, then.
Back to my question.
What of that bothered you? Because that post looked quite normal to me.

-L. J.

What caught my attention was precisely what I commented on and asked Cabd about.

[sangres]

It looked like a weird thing to pick up something on.

welcome to feryland

[sangres]

If we don't know each other, then the question isn't quite so strange.

Well, then.
Back to my question.
What of that bothered you? Because that post looked quite normal to me.

-L. J.

Where did you get 'bothered' from a simple question? Why are you so bothered about her botheredness?

~Jekyll

I am bothered about her botheredness of that post because it somewhat bothers me how her question bothers my inner senses enough to be bothered enough to ask such a bothersome question.
tl;dr - It's awkward to me to see her pick up on things like that. It might be my memory failing me, but I don't remember her playing like this the last time I played with her.

Then you probably haven't played a game with both Cabd and me.

[sangres]

No, I haven't.

How's it like?

-L. J.

I'm in rehab.

[sangres]

No, I haven't.

How's it like?

-L. J.

I'm in rehab.

So I guess whatever you were doing with Cabd was very very naughty

Anyway, I digress.

What's wrong with both random vote and serious post mixed in together? Is it just a paranoia? Perhaps am I being that one kid who always interrupts the lovey-dovey talk of a couple?

-L. J.

What's the purpose of RVS?

[sangres]

Let me see if I still remember my Mafia 101.

The point of RVS is to garner reactions and informations, which is the widely-accepted method to start Day 1, the day with almost no information.
Am I right?

-L. J.

IMO, the purpose of RVS is to end quickly. A post that both moves out of RVS and prolongs RVS is a tad eye-catching.

[sangres]

IMO, the purpose of RVS is to end quickly. A post that both moves out of RVS and prolongs RVS is a tad eye-catching.

Spoiler: Needless rant

That's not quite something I would agree with. Sure, it is optimal for RVS to end quickly, but stating the purpose of RVS is to just end it quickly is... That kinda defeats the whole purpose of RVS, now is it?

At least, now I can see where your post is coming from.

-L. J.

Spoiler: my own rant

well, maybe, but IMO only one thing actually

ends

RVS and that's game-relevant content, which IMO RVS mostly isn't.

[sangres]

Hello all.

VOTE: sangres

You know why.

We let Saki win, bauss. We got too lost in the dance and let his lurkfucking ass go.

This isn't the towniest reaction I have ever seen.

Hyde

Calm down your gut on that one, Scumrir.

Actually, good question for everyone. SK is found day one. Lynch or leash? Give reasoning, there will be a grading rubric.

Nope.

Vote: JacobSavage

[sangres]

If we don't know each other, then the question isn't quite so strange.

Well, then.
Back to my question.
What of that bothered you? Because that post looked quite normal to me.

-L. J.

Where did you get 'bothered' from a simple question? Why are you so bothered about her botheredness?

~Jekyll

I am bothered about her botheredness of that post because it somewhat bothers me how her question bothers my inner senses enough to be bothered enough to ask such a bothersome question.
tl;dr - It's awkward to me to see her pick up on things like that. It might be my memory failing me, but I don't remember her playing like this the last time I played with her.

Is something bothering you about MVP's botheredness?

[sangres]

4. sangres (hydra of Nacho and ffery): Nacho is like 13 and ffery is like 12 and they'll both call me Jacob

Not me.

[sangres]

Most of the time, Town fucks up everything

Last time i did a gambit i got a conf town, but town lynched him anyway.
Then i found both scum and subtly stated the plan for LyLo since i was conf town and was dying, but town didnt see it.

Yeah I concede... town does fuck up everything, maybe i shouldn't even play since town is gonna fuck up everything right?

Nope, I still will try, and I don't find any town motivation behind someone screwing other people's plans, and you giving him a conf town pass is even worse

Unvote
Vote: tippy

I yell at people for screwing up my plans, with mixed results. Does voting them make them stop?

[sangres]

because someone asked me for the reasons and I can no longer test for reactions from any body

Why not?

[sangres]

because someone asked me for the reasons and I can no longer test for reactions from any body

Why not?

because their answers are tainted

Kinda depends on if and how 1) questions are answered and 2) questions are asked.

[sangres]

I know.
And it was my RVS vote.
You getting this pissy about it is giving me bad vibes.

Do you expect her to take that lying down? I think getting mad when people call you a bad player is fairly alignment-neutral.

4. sangres (hydra of Nacho and ffery): Nacho is like 13 and ffery is like 12 and they'll both call me Jacob

You mixed up our ages, Jacob.

Hey kids, I'm here now. When did this whole thing get six pages already???

Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:23 pm

[sangres]

Just to clarify, I've been leashed when I was investigated as guilty, but single handedly got a scum lynched so everyone assumed I was SK but was actually third party Arsonist, and everyone kept telling me to NK or they'd lynch me, so I ended up just dousing and igniting day 5 for a win.

It makes me very leery of leashing people.

It sounds like the problem was that you got to day 5 without delivering a night kill. That's poor town management of a leashed claimed SK.

[sangres]

{Cabd's quotestripe hell}

Are you avoiding me?

[sangres]

there is?!

O_O|

No it ain't.

Vote: TheIrishPope for that needless buddying.

This is some shit I do like.

Are you sure it's always this bad? I want to lynch just about every post in her Iso.

-Hyde

You've played with her before, you tell me.

I am having a very hard time separating serious posts from joke posts right now, and this is my first Large game, so I have to ask: Are third-parties common enough in Large games that discussing them Day 1 without much justification is helpful?

Fuck no.

Tim Tebow's wall is boring; I like Lebron a hell of a lot more.

[sangres]

I'm depressed more people aren't sheeping me in this Jacob vote, though.

[sangres]

Cephrir, I like your experiment thus far!

[sangres]

I'd rather eat sheep.

I have no idea what the fuck this means.
Why aren't you voting JacobSavage?

[sangres]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[sangres]

Also it's a hell of a lot better than the vote you have down right now.

[sangres]

"You're not voting anyone. If you're not gonna use your vote, you might as well as sheep my vote."

-L. J.

[sangres]

What was the reasoning behind this? I've seen respectable players do it because they know the game is winnable if they do so.

Honor, most third parties would rather see town win the mafia win plus there is always the chance that the town massively cock ups and they can win.

Useless.

@GM: Can you PM everyone with a day start PM?

Trying to look helpful, but also pretty useless!

What about TIP do you "love"

Continued questioning of TIP when your previous line became useless with yesiree's obvious RVS answer.

There's my elaboration, JS.

[sangres]

RC town

-L. J.

I agree.

Nacho you bore me like watching paint dry or watching the Broncos winning games without me

Tim Tebow

3) By holding your vote, you can't unknowingly sheep Scum or SK.

[sangres]

It generates discussion, reactions, and activity. Like this:

Then why weren't you willing to sheep my vote on JacobSavage? Would that not of done the same thing?
A hell of a lot better than voting someone for a theory stance.

[sangres]

Have I ever talked at you about how much I hate this emoticon? I guess I learned my lesson after I lynched it incorrectly.

I dunno, it sort of grew on me after a while.

I have? I don't remember that.

Or I thought you had.

Counterpoint: Have you ever seen him not do that? I don't think I have.

Doesn't mean that he's not a wonderful person to wagon up!

[sangres]

Everytime I see that emote, it reminds me of Thor.

That's who it comes from! I originally picked it up to make fun of him, but then I actually started liking it.

[sangres]

Hrm. I'd ask you to walk me through TIP, but I expect you probably won't be willing to.

I'm sorry to hear that. I would tell you to let certain others deal with me, but ya know,

there's this whole thing I'm doing just to fuck with them

, so yeah.

P.S. Why are you still random voting?

~Jekyll

This may not be working out as you think.

[sangres]

as of right now, You and Yessiree are on the top of my "kill list"

Reasons?

[sangres]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: yessiree

Cephrir, I'm going to start calling you Saint K. Mara scumreads you, I townread you. Guess who was right in the end about Saint K in paradox? (Hint it was me bevcause mara's reads suck)

I thought I sorted Saint K for you i that game, when all the dead players got to come out and play again.

[sangres]

For me, it's the lack of conviction his towngame usually shows. Go pull his ISO in some of the games I linked. Then compare his very passive ISO here.

Will look into this tonight.

[sangres]

yessiree has 18 posts so far in this game. Many of them are flippant, but I see reasoned observations scattered among them as well.

I'm going to focus on the early posts in these linked games.

Anyways, uh, hang on.

@Maraca: Can I have a link of yessiree's games?

Oooh, oooh, I have a guess as to one of your heads. Hang on.

Town:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=30562 (died night one)

16 posts. Pretty solid scumhunting and observations.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=30411 (lived to endgame)

Same. Aggressive scumhunting.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=28783 (slot lynched in MYLO)

Replaced in, was under fire quickly. Posts have a flippantly aggressive vibe more similar to this game despite the replace-in vs start dynamic.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=29457 (killed night four)

Really wide focus in this one, pushing a variety of players, makes an effort to get people to play better wrapped up in the suspicions and votes.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=28846 (also killed night four)

Replaced in, was cop with an inno result. Very serious from moment of replacement. Not a good comparison game for this one.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29212 (lynched day one)

Newbie in a newbie game. Took a relatively long time to get around to scumhunting. Under fire, posted a ton compared to his later games.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29687 (slot killed night two)

This is another active game. The vote to post ratio is pretty low - there's a ton of questions and scumhunting happening before vote changes. This is a little different from most of the other games here.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=30255 (lynched day two)

Nightless vengeful something or other. In this game, despite the quick pace, it was really apparent that he was finding and working with town reads even more than scumhunting. In the one vengeball game I've played, townhunting was town's critical success factor in a game that went to 3p lylo.

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From what I see, his play is variable and adaptive based on the game state and set up. With so many town games, it will be interesting to see what his first MS scum game looks like. Is this it? The first scum game?

I'm a little concerned that in his posts so far in this game I'm not seeing more town spark. But, it's early days, and this game has been slow-moving with Halloween happening just before the weekend.

Cabd, I know we look for different things when we metadive, so maybe that contributes to my not being oshit scum after reading all that.

I don't think there's a strong meta case for Yessiree-scum atm.

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Well I guess I don't have to delay the reasoning for this one.

Nacho's push on JS is lacking something and ffery is not being town enough and it worries me.

-L. J.

Nacho and I haven't talked about this game since before he put the vote down. I kinda think I know why he put the vote there.

[sangres]

@sangres, why have you talked?

*haven't

Nacho hasn't been online since Friday I think.

[sangres]

I kinda think I know why he put the vote there.

All right, then. Let's hear it.

-L. J.

Maybe later.

[sangres]

[sangres]

Nacho's laptop got stolen, his access is gonna be limited.

[sangres]

FoS: Nacho and Ffery. Nacho for Mislynching me in Mind Reader Mafia.

I mislynched BRO in a similarly glorious fashion in Xenogears, although mislynching you in Mind Reader was one of my favorite experiences in mafia ever.

[sangres]

I kinda think I know why he put the vote there.

All right, then. Let's hear it.

-L. J.

I know why I put it there!

[sangres]

Well, ffery, agree to disagree. We gonna do our usual comparing notes dance or you gonna sit there and break my heart? Since nacho is gone you're going to have to take on mean old paranoia-throwing cabd on your lonesome.

What do you disagree with?

[sangres]

Then explain.

[sangres]

Your discounting of my yessiree meta/read.

Then explain.

Any time you're ready, I want to walk through this.

[sangres]

Suggesting a policy lynch because someone made a dumb play once that they're probably not going to repeat isn't ballsy; it's lazy and scummy.

RC a better lynch than JS?

[sangres]

not for me

Anyway enough dicking around

VOTE: Sak

Opinions on other players?

[sangres]

that game :/

[sangres]

Ugh can I just townread Cabd so I can ignore his quote strip walls?

Why are you townreading him?

[sangres]

P-edit: hullo ffery. Are we finally on the same team this game?

I assumed you were trolling with that question, and I assume I'm talking to AP.

Pretty sure I've never played a game with town-you, so figuring out the answer to that question is pretty high on my list of priorities.

[sangres]

Pretty sure I've never played a game with town-you, so

Having not played with me-town before matters, because?

I wasn't trolling, I was opening a dialogue. You are a strong town player, I want you close regardless. What are your thoughts on Cabd? Also tell Nacho to get his ass in here.

It matters because I have a hell of a scum-AP model, and although not fitting a one-sided model well is nice, and actually works sometimes, it's a shaky starting place.

My thoughts on Cabd are that the meta threads he dumped in the game need some explanation or walk-through because it's not obvious to me how they point to Yesseree's game being way off his town meta. However, I do like that he didn't jump to explicate them before I went through them for myself. But, Cabd knows Nacho's onto him regarding too much collaboration in me developing meta reads.

Nacho's laptop was stolen this weekend. I probably won't hear much from him for a few days, but I'll let him know you're thinking of him.

[sangres]

It matters because I have a hell of a scum-AP model, and although not fitting a one-sided model well is nice, and actually works sometimes, it's a shaky starting place.

By this am I to understand that you feel town on me (and BRO?) so far because Im not living up to my scum meta?

Nacho is posting on the site, so hes around.

I dont think I've got to Cabd's analysis on Yesiree yet?, but I'll keep an eye out for it.

Not getting the immediate scum vibe I got when you replaced into the Goonies game, but that was kind of a unique situation. And not getting the alarms I was feeling in NY165 either. Wake didn't leave much to evaluate in his posts, so your slot is basically what you make of it.

Have you played with town-Cabd?

[sangres]

Uh, your scumvibe on me in goonies was purely based on me aggressively shoving a slot you knew to be town (yours). So if I ha called you scum and voted you here, that would be scummy on me? And in NY 165 I was just kind of loud scum cause I figured I could get a way with it. Not sure where Im going with this tbh, I'm in this game. You seem less paranoid about me than you should. Like you are TELLING me that you are, but Im not feeling the paranoia. Eh.

You also went after the player that I was most strongly townreading on day 1 of that game, and that was two reads I couldn't believe you wouldn't get right. Re paranoia, I guess I only have so much paranoia to go around, and I'm kinda counting on Nacho to counterbalance it and make sure my concerns stay reality-based.

Cabd was town in a game I modded offsite. Other than that, no I havent played with him as town.

Do you think you can spot town-Cabd?

Also while I have you hear, quick thoughts for me on:

Dr. Jekyll, Sakura, TIP, RC?

I think scum-Jekyll would be pretty constrained by the presence of both Nacho and me in the game. I'm watching, but not really seeing stuff I associate with his scum game so far.

I think Sakura will become pretty obviously town before the day ends if she's town.

I default to scumreading TiP so I'll depend on Nacho to help with that read. And on MC Maraca if I see something resembling their paradox prime game.

RC is giving me hives.

[sangres]

What do you associate with Jekyll's scum game? I see its a hydra, havent cared to learn their identity. I see a lot of weak opinions and posts that look nervous from that slot. I didn't like their interactions with MVP at all.

Jekyll tends to look way more self assured as scum than his town game appears, though I think he's been working on changing up his town game.

I think it's an alt, not a hydra.

[sangres]

You look at things I don't. I look at things you don't. Let's play a game where I laugh at your feeble attempts to figure out what I see that you don't.

Or i'll write it up later

I'm ok with skipping right to you write it up later.

Please don't make me sad and tell me you think scum-me couldn't move past nacho-town's scum model of me.

p sure I just strongly implied that you have moved past that piece of Nacho's scum-Cabd's model, since you know about it.

[sangres]

I never had a chance to catch up in 165 cuz I was being pressured for the gate and was too busy to reread everything.

This doesn't address his observation about your play in this game at all.

[sangres]

Hi my name is cabd and I have all sorts of

cool drugs

ffery meta, what were you interested in purchasing today?

The one labelled "Ffery's hydra dependency and passiveness", please.
I know it costs a lot, but hell, I think I can manage it from all that nickels I robbed from TIP.

-L. J.

Or you could make some actual effort to sort me.

[sangres]

Kinda hard to sort when you give me this:

-L. J.

I have no idea when Nacho and I will have a chance to discuss this game. I think he wants to see something from JS, and I don't want to telegraph what that something might be.

[sangres]

He's said before that he likes to pretend to do meta as scum, so not actually explaining and letting you do the dirty work (while trying to inform your conclusion) doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to me.

He does. However, in a recent we played he was

town

and I was scum. And he sent me on a wild goose chase through one of Bert's scum games looking for parallels with the game we were playing. The purpose was dual - mostly to make Bert think he was seriously scumreading him rather than setting up a reaction test, but a significant side benefit was getting me to read an irrelevant 100-plus page game purely for the hell of it. And being scum, I went through the motions and looked for the parallels he claimed existed.

Faking meta isn't as alignment indicative as I'd like.

But more to the point, I assumed that was Cabd dumping a bunch of game links into the thread, but it was Mara. And I don't think she's ever played a fake meta game with me.

[sangres]

@MC Maraca - Just out of interest, what does AMOL mean? I Googled it but I don't think I got the right definition.

A memory of light. The game that defined this head's (cabd's) scumgame. It's on my wiki page. Doctor Jeckyl was the mod of it (as cephrir) and sangres was in it as town (the ffery head)

Mara was in that game as well.

[sangres]

Sakura, what are your reads?

[sangres]

You haven't formed an opinion on MC Maraca?

[sangres]

That's GM's error. Sakura voted Guyett

[sangres]

You haven't formed an opinion on MC Maraca?

Nope because Cabd. I'll probably do some sort of gambit somewhere midgame and try to figure it out.

IIRC you townread him sometime day 1 in newbie 1436.

[sangres]

You haven't formed an opinion on MC Maraca?

Nope because Cabd. I'll probably do some sort of gambit somewhere midgame and try to figure it out.

IIRC you

townread him sometime day 1

in newbie 1436.

News to me.

She offered to be lynched instead of you while she was on V/LA.

[sangres]

IIRC you townread him sometime day 1 in newbie 1436.

IIRC I also said that I was WKing him for a gambit while i wasnt actually townreading him.

So many gambits in that game. I missed that one.

[sangres]

This game was in the Normal queue tho...

Unique Role

@Hermy

Who do you think is scum and why?

SAVAGE
WHY WOULD YOU JUST IGNORE ME

I was hoping that I would be able to tunnel the hell out of you early and get you to break, respond, something, but the response that I get is being ignored? It doesn't feel too great to me

I have a fair few townreads though.

What are they?

For me, it's the lack of conviction his towngame usually shows. Go pull his ISO in some of the games I linked. Then compare his very passive ISO here.

His scumgame shows a decent amount of conviction as well, don't you think?

Well, ffery, agree to disagree. We gonna do our usual comparing notes dance or you gonna sit there and break my heart? Since nacho is gone you're going to have to take on mean old paranoia-throwing cabd on your lonesome.

Also hi bro/AP. Guilty child sucks to draw, doesn't it?

I'm starting to read Mara as town, so we might be able to ignore the hell out of you and live life that way.

^ lurking + meh content is JS's mantra. Im concerned about where his attention is so far, he is interested in things that really are not interesting or relevant and I don't see any particular emotional reason for it either.

What I like least about JS is my push on him which got translated to him ignoring the hell out of me; when I mislynch him in Harry Potter as scum, he at least made an effort to engage and gave out batshit crazy scumteam ideas, which at least showed that he was thinking and attempting to figure things out. In this game, he just started looking elsewhere.

She'll be back today and I found it suspicious that she decided to put V/La up pretty much right after getting a few votes against her... kinda similar to someone else in the Marvel vs DC game

I don't think this is a common occurrence. At least, I pray to my various gods that it isn't.

but I'll let him know you're thinking of him.

I was very touched when this message was delivered, by the way

Ugh Nacho. He can't read me for shit. Tunneled the shit out of me all game we were in together and was like "lol mastin2, how can you have such a silly townread on AP, that is so weird". Mastin was scum. GG no re.

I usually can read people a hell of a lot better after I mislynch the fuck out of them.

TIP seems townish to me, but I'll admit that read is mostly gut at this point in that he feels like he didn in 2.5 friends and Im not seeing the pointed, direct TIP that was scum in Venny's game.

I actually understand where Jacob's RC read is coming from and that's a great feeling.

Please don't make me sad and tell me you think scum-me couldn't move past nacho-town's scum model of me.

I don't think you can move past my scum model of you because town-you can rarely move past that model.

Ok I've done a quick read of Lucid dreamers, its my only game with Caled which I remember and she was scum in it.
She lurked pretty hard through that game too

VOTE: Caled

The only game I remember with caled she was town in it.
And she lurked pretty hard through that game too.

I'm so transparent

You can't get that far past me when you're scum!

if it's shots it has to be

tequila,

sambuca or slivka....

And here I thought you would be someone who understood me.

Pretty small ammount of reads but you know me and my thing with getting decent reads early on during large games.

Nothing on us yet?

[sangres]

what I don't have enough conviction you say?

VOTE: TheIrishPope

is this enough conviction for you?

not enough?

VOTE: TheIrishPope

better?

not really, no. if you substitute that townie's name for jacobsavage's, though. then we might have some progress.

Ok I've done a quick read of Lucid dreamers, its my only game with Caled which I remember and she was scum in it.
She lurked pretty hard through that game too

VOTE: Caled

And you didn't compare this to a town game because...

Because he's lazy, probably.

(It's rare for me to not have an opinion of sakura, but this is that time. She's very... distant form the game so far.)

I agree.
I'm concerned that all of your scumspects seem to be easy targets, although the JS target is a fantastic one.

[sangres]

ORCINUS!!!!

[sangres]

Where's Nacho? What do you make of my point #2 in post 552?

Hoping he'll be online again tonight.

[sangres]

Town

Likeabaws - yeah, town. Don't trust his reads because Newbie 1389.
Doctor Jekyll - This looks like town Ceph to me.
Toomai - I like his stances so far. I meta'd the hell out of him for the Harry Potter game, and although I smudged the meta results for that game, I think I came away with a pretty fair appreciation for his town game. One thing of note: in the scum game that he replaced into, iirc his stances came off a little more certain as scum, and his reaction to pressure was different as well. Not that he's had pressure to react to in this game so far.

Leaning Town

TheIrishPope - I don't read TiP well, and tend to default to reading him as scum. But, last we talked Nacho was thinking town. And some of my leantowns are thinking town as well.
MVP - I know the identity of one head of this hydra. Playing solo he tends to tunnel the fuck out of his scum reads. The fact that this isn't happening me bothers me a little, but I saw something similar in another purportedly 3-headed hydra of his so I'm leaning cautiously town.
Angry Frat BROs - I think AP trying to sort me is a good sign, though I feel pretty cautious. In prior scum games, he's either townread me (until a scum read suited his purposes) or immediately gone for the throat on my slot (after I replaced out, but still that was MY slot and I was srsly town).
MC Maraca - probably going to let Nacho call this one. I think his meta thumbnail for MVP was reasonably accurate, but I don't like that he's calling us town on the basis of my play. He has said more than once that despite all the experiential meta I'm not that easy for him to read.

Null

Caledfwitch - based on a recent game we played (where I helped mislynch her) and the meta-dive I did in that game, although she's a lurkfuck as town, she takes strong stands on players she thinks are scum. I'm not seeing that in this game so far. I've waffled about scumpiling her.
Hermy - Was leaning town based on her reaction to being judged on the basis of one bad error in one game. Read went stale.
Sakura Hana - her game feels a little off, especially compared to Newbie 1436.
Yessirree - I like some of what I'm seeing, and I'm a little worried I'm letting others' negative reads affect my impression here. Looking at you, MC Maraca. I"m still waiting for your meta analysis.
PeregrineV - Play the damn game.
Orcinus - I don't like that he entered the game basically in RVS mode, but his entrance posts were pretty late-night. I had no useful read on Rank.

Scum

Guyett - Based on one game I've played where he was town and I was scum, I'd lean town. But, I'm kinda impressed by the way people are talking his town game up, and I think the one game may not have been all that representative. I was on the scum team, and he made it to lylo for a reason. BoP sucks.
Radiant Cowbells - If I had a fucking clue what your play is supposed to accomplish I would probably consider moving you to the leaning town pile.
JacobSavage - ISO is crap, and no effort to engage Nacho about his read.

[sangres]

Orcinus, when you're caught up, let's talk.

[sangres]

her game feels a little off, especially compared to Newbie 1436.

Funny that you mention this considering my game felt also a little off to you D1 that game. Heck I almost got lynched there until I sacrificed myself for Cabd.

Actually, I "townread" you almost from the start in day 1 of that game, and WKed you complete with meta links. It was the context around your fatalism that I called townish.

[sangres]

Doctor Jekyll - This looks like town Ceph to me.

What about his posting is reminiscent of "town Ceph"? I really don't like the slot, feels nervous and a lot of their stances are kinda lackluster. Granted, its early game, but it still reads a bit superficial.

Scum-Ceph comes off a lot more certain, assured and assertive IME. Town-Ceph's game without meta-context had me convinced he was scum most of day 1 in the first game we played.

I think AP trying to sort me is a good sign, though I feel pretty cautious. In prior scum games, he's either townread me (until a scum read suited his purposes) or immediately gone for the throat on my slot (after I replaced out, but still that was MY slot and I was srsly town).

What the fuck is this post. So Im not living up to either extreme of my prior interactions with you ...and you are providing that as your reason for "feel[ing] pretty cautious" about us?

Feeling pretty cautious is independent of your not hitting either extreme. I think I said earlier that I'm counting on nacho to keep me reality-based on my Cabd read. You're pretty much in the same category.

I havent tried to crunch a reads list out, but yours is resonating pretty strongly with where Im at in my head (Jekyll is the only one I disagree with more than a little)

Have you played with Ceph? I don't remember if you said.

[sangres]

In either case, in your opinion is my play being "off" indicative of being scum or of being town.

If I knew that, you wouldn't be in my null pile.

[sangres]

Ffery, are you intentionally blind to this Guyett wagon or what?

What do you think is the scum-profit in continuing to self-vote at L-2?

[sangres]

Ffery, are you intentionally blind to this Guyett wagon or what?

What do you think is the scum-profit in

continuing to self-vote at L-2

?

Well you were listing him as scum while he was still self voting just last page...

Indeed.

p-edit Sakura, I'm not picking up fatalism or AtE in this. Unless the E is defiance.

[sangres]

659 sure makes me think otherwise.

yeah, missed that in the crosspost pile.

Will think about it, but I'd like Nacho's thoughts, too.

[sangres]

FoS: Sangres. You are wayyyy too deflective about taking stances on anything this game. You keep shrugging everything onto Nacho and asserting hes not here. Well he isn't here. So step up to the plate and pinch-hit, ffery.

Guyett self-voting is not town motivated and you are dumb to instantly give him a pass for it.

You're not going to push me into voting before I've cogitated. Of my scumpile he's the one I feel the least amount of conviction about, because my read is extremely influenced.

[sangres]

Guyett - Based on one game I've played where he was town and I was scum, I'd lean town. But, I'm kinda impressed by the way people are talking his town game up, and I think the one game may not have been all that representative. I was on the scum team, and he made it to lylo for a reason. BoP sucks.

[sangres]

VOTE: sangres
Even

Also what game are you talking about?

Mismatched Micro.

[sangres]

I was shocking in that game
What about chocolate newbie?

I didn't play that game? Was nacho in it?

[sangres]

Hey, Cabd, are you around?

p-edit yeah, I was the more active head of Morph in that game.

[sangres]

No I meant shiney.. yeah I was only kept alive as lynchbait there

Go fuck yourseld pigeon

No, Saki was the lynchbait.

[sangres]

I was shocking in that game
What about chocolate newbie?

What am I looking for in this game?

[sangres]

Sup. I'm around. I see some quesitons for me, hang on.

I was wondering if you could consult that binder and tell me if this might be Guyett gambiting. Or if he's gotten pissed about being run up and joined his wagon before.

[sangres]

You realize that I RVS voted Guyett because he was online at the time and apparently there were votes on him, and unvoted immediately after i saw the buildup to his L-2?

Just making sure

Why are you RVS voting on page 29?

[sangres]

You realize that I RVS voted Guyett because he was online at the time and apparently there were votes on him, and unvoted immediately after i saw the buildup to his L-2?

Just making sure

Why are you RVS voting on page 29?

Guess, because it couldn't possibly because I replaced in and wanted some real-time interaction.

And RVS voting is the best way to generate real-time interaction?

This is a dumb question, but have you replaced in to a game before?

[sangres]

You realize that I RVS voted Guyett because he was online at the time and apparently there were votes on him, and unvoted immediately after i saw the buildup to his L-2?

Just making sure

Why are you RVS voting on page 29?

Guess, because it couldn't possibly because I replaced in and wanted some real-time interaction.

And RVS voting is the best way to generate real-time interaction?

This is a dumb question, but have you replaced in to a game before?

RVS voting people who are online at the time yes

And yes, but I don't think anytime recently. I will check.

Ha! I just remembered you RVS voting me several pages into the Polygamy game. I think it was more like 8 pages, but I had the same wtf why are you RVSing that phase is OVER reaction in that game too.

It was the same reasoning - I was online to interact with/get a reaction from.

<3

[sangres]

yeah ... doesn't stand out as obv scum or I'd put him as scum. he is doing things I've seen him do as either alignment

If it's doing things that he does as either alignment wouldnt that make him full null? where did the scum lean come from then?

Then who does stand out as obv scum?

Caled, probably you and from recent events Sangres.
I need to reread recent posts when sober though.

Heh. I don't regret not putting you at L-1 even a tiny bit.

[sangres]

but you didn't put me at L-1... and thats certainly not why I'm currently scumreading you

I knew the double negative would be a mess. But no negatives was worse.

I chose not to vote a player who just barely made it into my scumpile because the read was heavily influenced by other players' reads. Some of those players were in my townpile. What you've posted since hasn't made me change my mind about deliberating on the read.

[sangres]

OH WAIT

OH WAIT

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA it's early and i'm stupid.

No way.

[sangres]

yeah ... doesn't stand out as obv scum or I'd put him as scum. he is doing things I've seen him do as either alignment

If it's doing things that he does as either alignment wouldnt that make him full null? where did the scum lean come from then?

Then who does stand out as obv scum?

Caled, probably you and from recent events Sangres.
I need to reread recent posts when sober though.

Heh. I don't regret not putting you at L-1 even a tiny bit.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm, but it really shouldn't be!

It isn't.

[sangres]

Mr. Bauss, you haven't really given an initial reason for scumreading AFB IIRC. You just started from that assumption and are now painting them as scum. Orci was never in trouble here though, so I find your last statement to be an exaggeration.

Considering that my experiment seems to have failed, I'm considering dropping the act and changing accounts.

I'm glad you kept the avatar!

Since when have you been a proponent of utility lynches TIP? Last I checked, you fight them pretty hard.

This is GIF.

You didn't answer the question.

Are you not seeing what I'm seeing?
ISO him again and tell me he's contributing to this game.

He was contributing pretty significantly when he was run up.

Also I'd love to hear what seperates me from the likes of Caled who has actually done nothing and apparently has no interest in contributing to the game.
I'm sure every single fucking oost of mine is terribad -_-

Or JS!

I really need time to catch up.

I don't think that's the problem.

Thanks

Since you're here, updated reads from the past few pages?

You seem oddly interested on my reads this game considering you know that I can lie about my reads as town to set up for gambits.

But sure if anything AFB is moving from town to null-town, and TIP is more town, Guyett is more scum, and I still got a null read on you because idk when the heck Mara is posting, so im treating everything as Cabd.

bauss' comments on orc are interesting yes, but i dont think either of them is scum yet. (Inb4 fence sitting).

Idk how the heck to read Cephrir either, at times he looked town and at times scum so that's another null.

MVP is a collection of people whom i dont know the identity, so idk how to read them and im treating them as a single entity instead, null leaning scum.

caledf is being super lurky and is bothering me.

RC is being RC, null.

and the others I haven't formed a decent opinion on yet...

You left me out

[sangres]

Oh boy, I finally got one townread I am reasonably confident in! I was actually thinking about drawing up a reads list before post 842 happened with likeabauss on top of it, mostly due to my overall lack of conviction this game, but damn that moonlogic (there's a better word for this I know) is so town. And this is not the same as towndrugs, because his reasons are not ludicrous. town, town, town, town, town.

It took you this long?

Townies, please no full reads lists. We are up against a very smart and aggressive scum team. They will leverage your reads list against you. Chase your scum suspects, keep your town reads close for a game day or two.

How do you see this happening?

So townies, here's what is likely to happen... A momentum push of some kind again. I'm digging into some sore spots I think, and there's going to be a flurry of posting activity to push right past the stuff I'm posting. You can watch it fly by, or you can pile some votes onto FrayBoys and increase the heat. The scum team is worried now because if I can convince enough people to hang one of FratBoys or Orcinus, I get doc protected overnight and tomorrow lynch another mafia (the other one.) That puts them in a really really bad place.

That's why we are seeing Mara come out and discredit me (not the logic of an argument.) If I get some cred, its trouble. Mara knows I'm a strong player. We've got a couple games together of the same alignment (both town and scum) and we won them together. That's missing this game because Mara is scum and instead of valuing the input of a strong player she likes, she's position against it.

I'll be a bit lighter on activity for the next couple days, mobile only, so forgive the typos and any shit formatting. But I'll try to keep the heat on and contribute what I can.

This is giving me flashbacks

Don't be coy, you knew I was in this hydra.

I knew!

Here they come, fresh from a scum conference in their QT! Lol. Predictable.

The worst part of this is I know its near impossible to rally the votes needed to lynch either of them.

FratBros, you ignored or didn't respond to several other things I pointed out about your shitty transparent scum game. Momentum push onto Guyett? Setting up to lynch less active players? You're still not getting the psychobabble stuff, which I'm used to. You're scum. Let's do this... I can't lynch you today. You've got like 1 vote and its me. Your overactive defense can take a rest. You're safe. Focus your energy someplace else so I can sort the rest of the player base from your actions. Thanks.

Mara, you cut me deep! I asked for your vote on FratBoys awhile back. You never gave it. That was clue 1 that you're bad. We've cleaned house together previously, and when you asked me for my vote or some time in other games, I gave it. (Because I know you're a baller.) You know I'm good, and you know I know Rank, and still no love. No support. You're scum.

Orcinus, sorry man. Like I said, its a bs read and I feel bad for it. But you replaced into a scum slot.

Are you trying to convince Orcinus he's scum?

Also this is me thinking that town ffery wouldn't votepark on a chronic lurker this long.

-L. J.

We feel quite strongly about that vote. If somebody scumclaims before we synch I might move it. Otherwise, not likely without a synch.

No comment on yessiree's stealth vote?

What do you think about it?

[sangres]

I missed Orcinus. :/

[sangres]

Ah you're still here.

Why aren't you sorting me?

[sangres]

Are you caught up?

Sakura is keeping her cards a lot closer than she used to. Nacho will probably have a stronger opinion than I do, but I liked her push on you, and I like that she called bauss out for not going after his strongest read.

[sangres]

Are you caught up?

Sakura is keeping her cards a lot closer than she used to. Nacho will probably have a stronger opinion than I do, but I liked her push on you, and I like that she called bauss out for not going after his strongest read.

you are talking to me

so i'm assuming you disagree with sakura's push?

It was typical of her play. It's not how I go about gathering data.

and for the love of god I CALLED BAUSS OUT for that and she parroted


fuck this game

Welcome back!

[sangres]

This is interesting kept my cards closer than I used to in that Newbie game, yet you call it out here but you didnt there, how come?

I knew your alignment in the other game.

This game, I'm trying to figure you out.

[sangres]

So you knew my alignment the other game, what info does that give you about this one.

I saw other behaviors in that game that I knew supported calling you town and my strategy was kind of built on two pillars - playing up paranoia about Cabd and justifiably defending you from people who were going to call your AtE scummy.

Especially last night, I have seen some stuff I associate with your town game, and I've noted that. I think I mentioned it in the post where I talked about your being more opaque about your reads. Knowing what your reads are, and knowing where they come from do help me figure you out, though, and I miss that data.

[sangres]

What do you think about it?

null

If you think it's null, why did you point it up?

[sangres]

Knowing what your reads are, and knowing where they come from do help me figure you out, though, and I miss that data.

Half the time, my reads on that game were faked to fool scum. Do you rather me fake my reads here or give you no reads.

I'd rather you put enough of yourself and your thoughts into your posts that I can read you. That's part of your job if you're town.

[sangres]

I'd rather you put enough of yourself and your thoughts into your posts that I can read you. That's part of your job if you're town.

I've done so in so far with my back and forth with orc. If that's not enough then I can't help you there for the time being.

And yet you're bitching because I had you as null prior to that. If this is how you're choosing to play the game right now, then you have both the benefits and the drawbacks to deal with. And so do other players.

[sangres]

I do have some problem with this readlist.

Town

1. Likeabaws - yeah, town. Don't trust his reads because Newbie 1389.

Doctor Jekyll - This looks like town Ceph to me.
Toomai - I like his stances so far. I meta'd the hell out of him for the Harry Potter game, and although I smudged the meta results for that game, I think I came away with a pretty fair appreciation for his town game. One thing of note: in the scum game that he replaced into, iirc his stances came off a little more certain as scum, and his reaction to pressure was different as well. Not that he's had pressure to react to in this game so far.

Leaning Town

TheIrishPope - I don't read TiP well, and tend to default to reading him as scum. But, last we talked Nacho was thinking town. And some of my leantowns are thinking town as well.

2. MVP - I know the identity of one head of this hydra. Playing solo he tends to tunnel the fuck out of his scum reads. The fact that this isn't happening me bothers me a little, but I saw something similar in another purportedly 3-headed hydra of his so I'm leaning cautiously town.

Angry Frat BROs - I think AP trying to sort me is a good sign, though I feel pretty cautious. In prior scum games, he's either townread me (until a scum read suited his purposes) or immediately gone for the throat on my slot (after I replaced out, but still that was MY slot and I was srsly town).

3. MC Maraca - probably going to let Nacho call this one. I think his meta thumbnail for MVP was reasonably accurate, but I don't like that he's calling us town on the basis of my play. He has said more than once that despite all the experiential meta I'm not that easy for him to read.

Null

Caledfwitch - based on a recent game we played (where I helped mislynch her) and the meta-dive I did in that game, although she's a lurkfuck as town, she takes strong stands on players she thinks are scum. I'm not seeing that in this game so far. I've waffled about scumpiling her.
Hermy - Was leaning town based on her reaction to being judged on the basis of one bad error in one game. Read went stale.
Sakura Hana - her game feels a little off, especially compared to Newbie 1436.
Yessirree - I like some of what I'm seeing, and I'm a little worried I'm letting others' negative reads affect my impression here. Looking at you, MC Maraca. I"m still waiting for your meta analysis.
PeregrineV - Play the damn game.
Orcinus - I don't like that he entered the game basically in RVS mode, but his entrance posts were pretty late-night. I had no useful read on Rank.

4. Scum

Guyett - Based on one game I've played where he was town and I was scum, I'd lean town. But, I'm kinda impressed by the way people are talking his town game up, and I think the one game may not have been all that representative. I was on the scum team, and he made it to lylo for a reason. BoP sucks.
4. Radiant Cowbells - If I had a fucking clue what your play is supposed to accomplish I would probably consider moving you to the leaning town pile.
JacobSavage - ISO is crap, and no effort to engage Nacho about his read.

1. Not sure if that was meant to be a joke, but was that discredit necessary?
2. I don't mind being a townread, but based on what you put there, you're reading this hydra based on a person who only posted like 5 posts. Why not read based on

my

post?
3. At the beginning of the game, I had an impression from your posts that you (ffery) wanted to sort out Cabd. Why defer it to Nacho instead? Also, based on what you put there, it seems like MCM should belong in lower place than "Leaning Town."
4. This scumlist looks too lazy.

1. Absolutely not a joke. He completely misread me and tunneled the fuck out of me in that game. At the end of day 1 IIRC, he and I were the only viable lynches and the lynch went his way. Finally, at the point where he was at L-1 and I wasn't voting him, I think he entertained the possibility I was town. Whoever was lynched, though, the other's cred would have been damaged enough to leave scum with plenty of room to act on the following days. And so it was.

2. I don't know which head he is, so 5 posts is news to me. That info is enough to nail him as the baseball legend, I think. You're Lebron? I thought the stuff you jumped on early suggested we haven't played together much or recently, and I didn't like your interactions with Ceph. Leaning more town as the game progresses.

3. I want Nacho to check my work. If he disagrees with where I eventually land, I'll probably defer to him.

4. You're welcome to your opinion about it.

[sangres]

1. So discredit based on one game it is.

A ton of caution.

2. For all we know, I could be a person who has a meta on everyone in this game and just hiding it.

Why are you including yourself among the unknowing?

4. We're townreading Guyett, RC is most likely town and even Nacho said so, and JS is about to be replaced so

Agree on Guyett. A lot has happened to the gamestate since I posted that list. We'll see what a replacement does with the JS slot.

[sangres]

What do you think about it?

null

If you think it's null, why did you point it up?

To see what orci's opinion about it, of course.

What did you learn?

[sangres]

A ton of caution.

This Fferylt? Nacho hasn't come back around yet? If/when he does, I would love his response to the question I posed earlier.

FWIW, I've failed at reading both Fferyllt and Nacho in the past as a townie. So, I'm cautious on applying a read to that slot. There are certain playstyles that I am terrible at reading (TIP is a great example as is Fferyllt.) Nacho I think I can peg a bit better, so I need him around to even attempt to sort that slot.

Yep, fferyllt. It's been a few days since Nacho has posted here. I'm hoping he can borrow a computer this weekend. I think he's phoneposted in a small game or two since his laptop was stolen, but that's not practical in a game this size moving at this speed. He's got a lot of catching up to do in this game. I'll point out that you have a question when I see him online.

I know that I'm hard to read for some scumhunting styles, but I'm ridiculously easy for others. If I had a more objective view of how I play, I'd probably be able to pinpoint why that is.

Sak you should get on the frat bros wagon.
When he flips scum I want Sangres strung up

+1 town point

I didn't like the way the sangres slot was very wishywashy with their reads on me when I was L-2... thats what really pinged my scumdar.

I didn't like the way I was being pressured to vote you at a point where my read was in major flux.

[sangres]

Scum

Guyett - Based on one game I've played where he was town and I was scum,

I'd lean town

. But, I'm kinda impressed by the way people are talking his town game up, and I think the one game may not have been all that representative. I was on the scum team, and he made it to lylo for a reason. BoP sucks.

You seem pretty sure I'm scum here

See the bolded. I was putting weight on other peoples' reads, which made my certainty tenuous. Then you reacted to your wagon, including self-voting, and

my

reaction was "whoa, wait a minute". Ceph has talked about the ridiculous speed of that wagon, and that was a factor too, particularly because of all the "but you're scumreading him, why won't you put him at L-1" crap.

[sangres]

Then why put me in the scum pile?
looks like you're hedging there

Least scummy of my scumpile at the time I made the reads post. Your wagon taking off and your reactions to it were basically what crystalized the supersaturated solution. You're not in my scumpile now.

[sangres]

What have I done to move me out of the scum pile?

Your reactions to your wagon initially. I think you're also getting the benefit of a tendency I have to townread players who scumread me under certain circumstances, which boil down to their reasons for scumreading me. Aspects of my play don't mesh well with site meta and with majority-lynch dynamics. I learned mafia in a 24 hour game day environment with plurality lynch, and that affects how I think about and react to wagons, especially wagons with a lot of sudden momentum.

[sangres]

Orcinus, you should claim

TiP

[sangres]

re Ceph: Most of this game is full-retarding.

He's not.

That makes me a bit nervous.

It shouldn't.

[sangres]

the thing is i once downplayed a player for being too stupid once to be scum

she flipped scum

mara in our first game together

NEVER AGAIN

I've been thinking about a different game.

[sangres]

Sup.

Vote: orcinus the_original

[sangres]

Dear Cephrir,

I never left. The guy you replaced, Rank, is my brother from another mother. We've been playing mafia together for like 10 years. Him replacing out means he was scum. Means you are scum. You should tread carefully, because between you and FratBoys, I've got two mafia and its still early on D1

[sangres]

Dear Cephrir,

I never left. The guy you replaced, Rank, is my brother from another mother. We've been playing mafia together for like 10 years. Him replacing out means he was scum. Means you are scum. You should tread carefully, because between you and FratBoys, I've got two mafia and its still early on D1

wtf you'd take this bullshit at face value?

The eff are you smoking Nacho.

Why would I ignore it?

[sangres]

Guyett.

[sangres]

Don't get goaded into voting for people just because they are dicks to you.

[sangres]

Dear Cephrir,

I never left. The guy you replaced, Rank, is my brother from another mother. We've been playing mafia together for like 10 years. Him replacing out means he was scum. Means you are scum. You should tread carefully, because between you and FratBoys, I've got two mafia and its still early on D1

Look. I'm not lynching orcinus on this shaky a basis. I thought there might be something to that but it's not sufficient. If TIP wants to stop pussyfooting around and come out and claim daycop, he can come out and fucking claim daycop. It's not like there was anything subtle going on there and I refuse to believe anyone can have possibly not noticed it.

In conclusion, no.

Love,
Ceph

Dear Cephrir,

831

Love,

Sanguine.

[sangres]

just be nicer to each other?

[sangres]

2) There's a difference between being excited to play with people you like and stroking them/your history to position yourself. Examples:
A) Hey guys, wicked pumped to be here. Hi5! Let's wreck some scum. (This says, let's play mafia and have fun)
B) Hey guys, happy to be here! Don't screw up like last time and misread me. (This is preempetive positioning. You're cautioning them to be slow and deliberate with their reads on you, and broadcasting to the player base that those players haven't read you well in the past.)
Your "excitement" reeks of example B and its a highly suspect maneuver in my opinion. Its nuance, but there it is.

I don't mind when people go a bit excessive to past game references when it was an exceptional past game experience; the game in question was a game where I was screaming like a crazy person to get AP lynched, we danced a beautiful dance with both of us convinced the other was scum, and AP died. It was a hell of a game, and I don't see him trying to shake my confidence in reading him with cheap bullshit tactics like that.

As in its scummy on him for ignoring you or are you just being a troll?

It's scummy for him to ignore me when I push on him, although slow Jacob reactions wouldn't exactly be a surprise.

Heh, I was starting to feel good on Cabd. Im terrible at reading Mara, but Cabd feels a bit carefree/genuine in this game. Not seeing the same direct, forceful Crabd from NY 165.

The aggressive yessiree = scum case with no scum meta made ffery a bit paranoid. Don't know what to think of him quite yet.

Well Im waiting cute boy, lets hear about me then.

I like your entrance!

Good wagon is good
VOTE: guyett

I didn't like this. The "I'm gonna claim scum and then act really anti-town" bit doesn't really mesh with the whole "I'm finally into the game, I'm going to kick ass" mindset he had pretty much three pages ago.

Ffery, are you intentionally blind to this Guyett wagon or what?

Why was Guyett such a strong scumread here?

Is it just me or is this WIFOM tho

What's your read on ffery so far?

read all the games you want... links are on my wiki (I updated it yesterday) but I fnd playing a game with someone is much better than reading a game as you are kinda biased reading.
I have absolutely no prob with you meta reading me... just do it and get some opinions of people who have played with me too maybe. Apparently I have some tell that Nat, Cabd and GM know :/

I see AP's point about discrediting meta reads on him. This in particular looks like he's expecting AP to scumread him after the meta dives and is preemptively covering his ass just in case.

You seriously calling Guyett scum because of AtE?

I would like to take you back to Mother bangers, Pigey.

I have literally no idea what Mara's trying to say here, which means that she's maybe town?

I really dont get this. You dont have any reason for thinking JS over Guyett (except you liked ffery's point, ok). Guyett is still plausible scum, why are you analyzing his wagon in itty bitty pieces then and trying to throw doubt on it?

See this is pretty much the opposite of Cephrir's scum play.

The preachy ex-Bronco who now plays for Canada (eh)

Sorry but you have to know how to pass to play in the league up here.

Guyett does seem too easy a lynch right now.

Unvote

Leaning towards voting JacobSavage, just to make him do something.

Guyett's too easy of a lynch, but JS wasn't?

Pistol Pete Maravich? I hope.

FWIW, this read is a bit bullshit and I feel bad for it, but I can't ignore it. That said, here's the deal with the Rank read:

As a player, Rank doesn't like being scum. But he loves being town. His scum game isn't that good, and it's less exciting for him. But, the best part of the game for Rank as town? D1. He loves it. I love it. We thrive on it. D1 reads and lynching is what separates the men from the boys in our opinions/world. We have probably hundreds of hours bullshitting and talking about D1 reads, psychology, sociology, profiles, maneuvers, etc etc. It's LITERALLY the highlight of the game for us as players. And the source of much bragging or shit talking in post game chats.

So, Rank's early play seemed townish to me. There wasn't much to go on, but it seemed typical. He stays light until stuff develops (much like I do), dropping the occasional potshot or poking the bear when he sees a chance. But him replacing out? 100% scum move. As town, he'd have lingered, read, contributed when he could and stuck around through D1 at least. Bought some time. As scum? He wouldn't want to gimp his team, he'd bail quickly and early to give them the best chance at victory. Which he did here. Town play doesn't require as much activity as scum play to be successful. You read, you think, you post, and come and go as you can. Example: Rank just recently detail read a 100 page D1 of a game in under a 24 hour period and started slinging reads and opinions instantly. Why? How? It was D1. SuperBowl Sunday. Bases loaded, 2 outs, full count, down by 3 in the bottom of the 9th.

Rank's slot is scum. But, I picked up on the FratBoys scum slot before Rank's, hence why my vote is on him and why I want to lynch FratBoys first then Rank's slot second. Some details on my FratBoys read coming up...

I liked this post!

It's one of the signature posts I make when I think somebody is spouting a theory that is shit/baseless/unconfirmable. I can link you past instances of its use if you wish. I've stalked you and rank playing together, I've read your TV hydrae games.

Show me why you think it's baseless. Mollie's pegged ffery Day 1 because she used the wrong word, so I've certainly seen weirder meta reads that were still on point as fuck.

I'm liking orincus as town right now.

Why?

the fact that you are basing it off something so basic as "him replacing out means he is scum" isn't enough for me to drop Rank/APro down to scum.

Did you confuse some people in this quote?

Are you caught up?

Sakura is keeping her cards a lot closer than she used to. Nacho will probably have a stronger opinion than I do, but I liked her push on you, and I like that she called bauss out for not going after his strongest read.

you are talking to me

so i'm assuming you disagree with sakura's push?

and for the love of god I CALLED BAUSS OUT for that and she parroted


fuck this game

It's hard to follow you when you're not doing shit. The fact that ffery didn't scream at me when I was like "can we sit our vote on orci for a little while" is a bad, bad sign.

2. I don't mind being a townread, but based on what you put there, you're reading this hydra based on a person who only posted like 5 posts. Why not read based on my post?

Ffery had you pegged by page 3 or some crazy shit like that. I followed up and confirmed thanks to a tiny hint you left in your posts . She's feeling pretty smug about it.

Likeabuss's claim to be able to read Rank seems town as fuck, however I'm not sure how valid his read is.

Why not trust it?

sangres seems to have a hard on for me, not sure why, must be so pretty.

Why did you ask me to write up a case on you and then ignore my efforts when I posted them?

Hermy- beautiful, fragile flower

This read came as a hell of a surprise. Why are you townreading that beautiful fragile flower?

[sangres]

Hey Cabd, you know what's making me a little nervout?

[sangres]

Hey Cabd, you know what's making me a little nervout?

Nervous even.

[sangres]

Hey Cabd, you know what's making me a little nervout?

That I haven't been around? Sorry to disappoint you, my love, but lynx came over and she's a tad more real than mafiascum.net is.

p-edit: you impatient lout, if you want answers here I am.

That's not it. That's not even close.

Let's deal with them one by one. y u no reaction test?

[sangres]

Hey Cabd, you know what's making me a little nervout?

That I haven't been around? Sorry to disappoint you, my love, but lynx came over and she's a tad more real than mafiascum.net is.

p-edit: you impatient lout, if you want answers here I am.

That's not it. That's not even close.

Let's deal with them one by one. y u no reaction test?

You try making a day's work of reaction testing in this noise. Not to mention, it's day one in a normal game. I can't go claiming something amazing when we're restricted to normal roles. Fakehammers require a L-1 wagon that I'm on it near the start. Most other gambits don't work util several days in. I'm sure I'll manage something for you soon enough, so you'll just have to wait and see (and probably play along when you see it).

I don't like this. Mentioning specific tests/gambits up front like this looks like it would take them out of your toolkit.

[sangres]

I don't like this. Mentioning specific tests/gambits up front like this looks like it would take them out of your toolkit.

I don't usually use the same gambit twice. Especially in a field of players that are familiar with me and my play. Even more so when the ones I'd be testing are those players. You'll have to wait and see.

Maybe so, but you know that I at least will play along if I recognize what's up. I didn't realize there are so many players who know your little ways in this playerlist.

It seems a little premature to be handing us a townread.

[sangres]

I don't like this. Mentioning specific tests/gambits up front like this looks like it would take them out of your toolkit.

I don't usually use the same gambit twice. Especially in a field of players that are familiar with me and my play. Even more so when the ones I'd be testing are those players. You'll have to wait and see.

Maybe so, but you know that I at least will play along if I recognize what's up. I didn't realize there are so many players who know your little ways in this playerlist.

It seems a little premature to be handing us a townread.

To elaborate, the people you're suggesting you most want to test are precisely the people who aren't likely to step unawares into one of your snares whether it's familiar or not. And what about the rest of the player list?

[sangres]

Frat Bros get mad when called dicks

but it's okay for them to call others retards and assholes

#logic

This has nothing at all to do with the game and only serves to piss people off.

Y'know what likeabauss? Fine. You'll get what you want. If Orci flips scum then... well done. If he flips town then you get lynched. Alright?

VOTE: Orci

Thanks man! But I'm actually pushing to lynch AngryFratBros for today. Orci is also scum, but FratBoys goes first in my book.

Alright then.

VOTE: AngryFratBros

Let's just hope this read of yours is correct. I'm almost 100% sure you're town, so hopefully you won't get lynched the next day...

Come back to orc.

TIP and Sangres, will you support a FratBros lynch with me? Take into consideration the strength of my read on Rank's slot and that I'm still pushing a FratBros lynch.

I would much rather lynch orcinus; BRO is normally pretty fucking calm as scum and I learned that him flying off the handle when pushed strongly is a towntell for him. Meanwhile, all that orc has accomplished is a discrediting your past with Rank a bit.

[sangres]

I don't like this. Mentioning specific tests/gambits up front like this looks like it would take them out of your toolkit.

I don't usually use the same gambit twice. Especially in a field of players that are familiar with me and my play. Even more so when the ones I'd be testing are those players. You'll have to wait and see.

Maybe so, but you know that I at least will play along if I recognize what's up. I didn't realize there are so many players who know your little ways in this playerlist.

My braging mouth constantly talking about them everywhere doesn't help much either with flying under the radar. Eventually, me NOT gambiting will be a gambit in and of itself.

It seems a little premature to be handing us a townread.

Too bad. Deal with it.

No. You've done nothing to actually sort me, and if I've done anything to obvtown so far it's escaped my notice. If your sangres read is based on my play then I don't see how the hell you could have us as top tier town at this point.

[sangres]

I already explained part of it.

As for the rest, wouldn't you like to know?

Your 698?

Also that town list isn't tiered.

Town and Null-Town are tiers.

[sangres]

Town and Null-Town are tiers.

Misread your reads list. Retracting this.

[sangres]

Basically, i'd rather let Cabd sort this kind of thing out considering he has more experience in being with ffery on hydra as scum.

If ffery has suddenly chosen to cast off every single fucking lesson I've taught her about being scum over our multiple morph scumgames AND our nightly google talk chats, then sure, she can be scum. Not to mention I specifically mentioned her hiding behidn the other head as a scumtell in the thread earlier. You think ffery scum sees that and goes "Well i'll be damned, better do exactly what cabd just said is a scumtell for me" ?

This was the start of the read getting serious, yes.

Then you grossly underestimate my capacity for backsliding.

[sangres]

It's still pretty meh compared to the body of evidence in some of your prior town reads. I guess the counter-argument is Paradox Prime, which still confuses me. I have no idea what led to you townreading me fairly early. Or what led to mara scumreading me.

[sangres]

Bauss, get on the orcinus wagon with me. We're splitting the two wagons for little reason, but I don't want to come over to the AFB wagon right now because I'm still townreading them. You

know

this slot is scum, so work with me a bit and lynch orcinus first.

[sangres]

Town:

17. TheIrishPope

(Meta from both of us. You can take this read to the bank and cash it)

At last synch we both agree with this, but it's mostly a Nacho read.

4. sangres

(Read is solidifying into steady town, subject to change but like it here right now.)

Still troubled by how easy this read seems to be, especially after Newbie 1430.

8. Guyett

(See TIP read, formerly null)

This is meta-based?

2. Cephrir

(His paranoia about me while justified, is wrong this time around. Still town.)

Nacho and I are in strong agreement that he's town.

11. Angry Frat BROs

(That posting by BRO was town as fuck, formerly null)

Directionally, I think Nacho agrees. I'm going to have to reread later because my circuits fried the first couple of times through.

16. yessiree

(His response to our vote was town as fuck IMO, same with the ATE things; formerly null)

Does this mean you're never going to explain that meta case for scum-yessiree?

Bauss

(Wrong does not a scum make.)

aphorisms do not reads make. Strongly agree he's town.

Null:

15. Toomai

(This has slid down from town for the terrible posting recently)

Examples?

Orcinus

(I'll have ffery sort this one, mostly, if I satisfy myself of fferytown. He's fooled me once (xenoblade) and I've fooled him once (NY165) but I don't know for sure yet which is which. His utter righteousness did ring kinda legit.)

He has a dance invitation waiting for when he's back.

6. MVP

(Now that I know your other two heads (i think) I'm not able to give you the same blank town-check as I would have thinking it was notsci and players like him. Interesting group, though, I must say, if my guess is right.)

I don't understand this read. I have MVP as cautiously town. Not going to potentially out Lebron, but I'm pretty sure I know this player and if it's who I think it is, I'm seeing town-play.

7. caledfwitch

(A meta check shows this lurkfuckery is not alignment indicative. Formerly scum.)

She's lurking a lot harder than I recall from the newbie game we played. Her stances don't feel as strong either.

14. RadiantCowbells

(ceph has questions. Answer the evil looking man with the claws. What did your reaction test ACTUALLY do for you?)

Basis for null is that he's not answering Ceph?

Scum:

3. Sakura Hana

(Her lack of engagement except to pop in and get a free post or two is not something I expect from sakura as town, formerly null.)

This read surprises me a little. I need to discuss her with Nacho, I guess.

5. JacobSavage

(he's posting elsewhere and lurking the fuck out of this game. Just like 165. His ISO is shit.)

My read is more based on what's NOT present here compared to the harry potter game, where he also hardcore lurked and was town. Nacho has more experiential meta, but he's mentioned that game as a concern as well.

12. Hermy

(So where's that fucking "serious content" you promised pages ago?)

I'd probably flip Hermy and caled in this list though the lack of followthrough will become troubling in a day or two. Weekend and stuff.

Holy fuck, this player is in this game?!? Since when?!?:

13. PeregrineV

(Still nothing holy shit come on and play, pere)

...

[sangres]

Still troubled by how easy this read seems to be, especially after Newbie 1430.

And Chef Mafia!

[sangres]

There's no glory in stringing up Orcinus on D1 for me. I didn't pyschobabble anything, or flame him into exposing himself, or logically rip him apart to peg him as scum. Its cheap and hollow for me. I'll derive no pleasure from it.

Fair enough.

[sangres]

We agree with bauss?

[sangres]

^

Unless you're talking about the Orc read. I thought I'd already yelled at Nacho about 831 being a shitty reason to scumread Orc.

Nacho, you got a reason for scumreading Orc beyond Bauss's bullshit that he refuses to substantiate with facts?

Yeah, there's more basis to the read than Bauss' meta. Orcinus hasn't talked at all about the majority of what has gone on in the game. Nacho doesn't like his push on Sakura because it's pretty much baseless. Also, Orcinus is discrediting Bauss' case on him but doesn't really seem perturbed about it. Compare how BRO/you are visibly frustrated and freaked out about bauss tunneling him. Orc is like "show me the evidence, fuck you", but not really showing frustration beyond that.

[sangres]

I expect you to be able to tell our heads apart :/

I thought I was talking to BRO. Sorry.

[sangres]

BRO-you = BRO head of AFB.

[sangres]

Ceph, I've seen Orcinus react to being tunneled before. It's happened to our hydra. And Nacho went after him in the Chosen game just a few weeks ago. This game dynamic is different because of replacing in at 40-ish pages and I'm personally waiting to see how it goes when he's around again. Whether it's "enough" ATE 1) doesn't address the other concerns and 2) doesn't really touch on what we feel like is missing from his reaction to being tunneled.

[sangres]

Sup Orcinus.

[sangres]

Is this nacho or fery

fery.

Who in your list of shitsacks do you think are scum?

[sangres]

I have never seen you like this in a game. :/

[sangres]

@TIP if you could lynch two people today, who would they be?

That's a good question. How would you answer it?

[sangres]

@TIP if you could lynch two people today, who would they be?

That's a good question. How would you answer it?

Hell, if you could lynch

one

person today, who would it be?

Do you think RC is scum?

[sangres]

I have never seen you like this in a game. :/

I was wrong. I have seen you like this in a game.

[sangres]

Sort of, anyway.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=28645

[sangres]

Let's talk about Buzzword Bingo.

[sangres]

jake's about 5 years old

I'm very busy but I will try to make a post otnight

Can I get a summarized version of the case on me

I've been waiting to see something similar to your reaction and fight-back in the Borkgame when Majiffy misrepped you about setting up mislynches and tunneled the shit out of you on day 1. You engaged the argument and you raged and it went on and on and on.

Your reaction here has basically been all about personalities and not so much about substance. Though admittedly bauss' argument initially was about your predecessor which didn't give you a lot of substance to argue.

This is a lot more like your argument with Jake.

[sangres]

There is no case on me and I'm getting scumread for freaking out when I

really don't want to be lynched

Have you caught up with the game?

[sangres]

Sort of, anyway.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=28645

!!!

yeah, that game had some terrible moments.

[sangres]

I am too hesitant to lynch investigative claims though, I know this. sangres, convince me to ignore my better judgement?

I caught up a little while ago and I'm feeling pretty torn. Nacho put the vote down as a reaction test. I've reached out repeatedly since then, and the response has been...meh. I remember getting put off several times in ny165 before he really engaged. But, this is different. It's not happening in the middle of an overall holding pattern in the game.

Nacho says he'll be online later tonight.

UNVOTE: Orcinus

I want time for him to review the last few pages and see what he thinks of Orci's play and claim.

[sangres]

rank's meta doesn't support your claim which is why you've refused to provide it despite it being the obviously townie thing to do

so that's why you're slinging mud on me and asking me to be lynched second because when i flip town you have no excuse anymore

i've fooled myself for long enough

VOTE: bauss

this vote took far too long.

I have never seen you like this in a game. :/

I have never had a game like this.

VOTE: rc

I am too hesitant to lynch investigative claims though, I know this. sangres, convince me to ignore my better judgement?

I feel confident about my read. Ffery said she was concerned because she felt like orcinus has been ignoring her reach outs for the greater part of the day. We WERE looking for some broad strokes analysis from him, but so far I see nothing that even looks close to the sort. I'd like to give him some time for some actual analysis though, and not the shit he's put forward in thread so far.

[sangres]

Didn't like you, trust strong meta reads. Why wouldn't I?

[sangres]

Didn't like you, trust strong meta reads. Why wouldn't I?

oh I assumed that you weren't being an asshole for the sake of it

last time i checked you read me as town when i was scum, and then scum when i was town

so i'm not too sure where you get off being so sure of your meta read that you don't even interact with me

seems kinda scummy doesn' tit

You haven't been around much, so I haven't been interacting with oh much. I'm also relying heavily on ffery for most of the read, but you know both of those reads happened for different reasons so this attack is dumb.

[sangres]

That wagon built up waaaay to slowly and dispersed waaay too quickly. Compare this to Caled, whose wagon built up so quickly. As much as Caled's post was terrible, I'm really not liking the quick wagon build up on the easy reason of 'lurkeromgmustbescum'. Lynch Orc. Perhaps I'm being stupid by following Bauss here, but I'm pretty confident about OrcScum.
VOTE: Orcinus
Lynch now.

Wagons usually disintegrate quickly when the wagoned claim cop.

[sangres]

I thought we were lynching Orc like days ago. What's the hold-up?

Cop claim...?

[sangres]

Do NOT lynch Caled until we have more proof than just 'lurker who made a bad post'! I refuse. She may well be scum, but I want better proof. We have so many scummier people to lynch: Orc... Guyett... AFB...

I liked the intent behind this post although content is ridiculous.

[sangres]

Really? I wouldn't put orc and caled together personally

Why are you voting bauss?

[sangres]

Everyone

Why is Sakura not scum

Your case on her attacks her play style. I guess I'll make a town case on her later.

[sangres]

Most of the time, Town fucks up everything

Last time i did a gambit i got a conf town, but town lynched him anyway.
Then i found both scum and subtly stated the plan for LyLo since i was conf town and was dying, but town didnt see it.

Yeah I concede... town does fuck up everything, maybe i shouldn't even play since town is gonna fuck up everything right?

Nope, I still will try, and I don't find any town motivation behind someone screwing other people's plans, and you giving him a conf town pass is even worse

Unvote
Vote: tippy

This was a decent voting point although it doesn't apply to tip, and pushed with the type of early conviction I expect to see from Sakura-town.

[sangres]

ANd I put myself to L - 1 before as scum just to stage a meltdown, so I dont see anything remotely townie about selfvoting.

He's trying to get off it by copying my AtE... it's not working.

I like the majority of the aggression I see from her posts, especially the aggression directed at guyett that starts quite a while before guyett begins to gain heat in thread.

[sangres]

Tell you what, if I'm wrong about Rank, I'll change my name to LikeAPuss. Swear to god. And I'll continue to play here on that name.

If I'm wrong about FratBoyz, I'm open to other name suggestions. FratBoyz choice obviously.

If you're town, please don't do things like these, it feels cheap and you're bringing outside influences into the game.

I think orc has already made some scummy reactions so you dont need to rely on your Rank mafia history, what do you think?

I liked this too! It was Sakura trying to bring bauss over to the wagon after she started scum reading one of his big two. I especially liked how she had the "questioning conviction" test before moving over because it adds to the nice trajectory.

[sangres]

Nacho, that you? I'd like to nail down your read on MCMaraca.

Second, I wonder why you aren't pushing for an Orcinus lynch if you trust my Rank read. (If that's changed, please advise.)

I'm not pushing orcinus because the cop claim is making me firm up my own read on hm before pushing to lynch; not confident enough to kill an uncounted claimed cop claim at the moment.

Maraca is leaning town. I didn't like their early push on yessiree, but I think that their play after the fact has been decent. Particularly, mara posts are looking like town as opposed to scum, her sort of edging to the wagon while Cabd was vehemently against it was closer to maras way of disagreeing with a partners read.

[sangres]

I'd rather you put enough of yourself and your thoughts into your posts that I can read you. That's part of your job if you're town.

I've done so in so far with my back and forth with orc. If that's not enough then I can't help you there for the time being.

Liked his too. Ffery questioning Sakura would likely elicit a bit of squirm here, but there's not any I can see.

[sangres]

Bauss are you really that sure this guy is scum?...

All I'm getting from my back and forth is that he's most likely town, I doubt scum would be this stubborn to get a mislynch in.

This was good.

[sangres]

I would support Jacob, he is still fairly strong though, Caled is just policy at this point

Mara?

ffery here. By "Jacob" do you mean JS or TiP?

[sangres]

We've had a partial synch this morning. And we're putting our vote here:

VOTE: caledfwitch

[sangres]

I'll switch to Caled if I have to, but I'm leaving my vote on Bauss to indicate how much more I want him lynched.

just put "I really want to lynch Bauss" in your sig or something; he's not getting lynched today so your vote is useless. you can express your conviction in less antitown ways.

[sangres]

Convince me this is significantly different from VS calling me obvtown one post/voting me the next for the entirety of Hard Boiled.

Majiffy tends to do his own things in hydras regardless of what the fuck his partner was doing, Mara still had you as a decent choice for a mislynch. Cabd usually has a much more cognizant thought process in hydras and talks with his partners, although can get stubborn as fuck about reads. If he was defending orcinus as hard as he did as scum, he would be doing it for a reason; Mara wouldn't undermine his efforts in this case. It's also not a strong enough endorsement of the wagon to be a distancing ploy (there's no way either of them could point back at that and go "OH LOOK MARA THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM"), so there's not a whole lot of scum motivation in that bit.

[sangres]

Speaking of caled

@Sangres:

I want to know the exact reason why you guys think caled is scum.

It's a much weaker read for me, bordering on null. Especially given the way she's stuck to her current vote. It reminds me of her town game in Newbie 1429 and the other newbie game I meta'd for that one. But, there's a lack. She's not reiterating or building on her conviction that Guyett is scum.

I'd rather lynch JS today. It's not going to happen.

[sangres]

I'm not gonna lie, I almost want to lynch bauss for the

blatant narrative manipulation

at this point. It's just reaching astronomically absurd levels.

He does this as town. When we last played, it wasn't the only thing about his play that worried me, but it did factor in to my incorrect scum-read.

Where I called him on narrative spinning

[sangres]

That's no excuse, Orc.

[sangres]

Aka me considering lynching you as a claimed cop on d1 is an absolutely terrible, no good, very bad thing.

[sangres]

You have no reads, for one.

[sangres]

I think Guyett reading me off one game doesn't work that well. Just so you guys know, Lucid Dreamers is my only scum game so far and my scumbuddy basically carried me through the whole thing.

I don't think I have an established play style yet, but just because I haven't posted a lot doesn't necessarily mean a scum read. IRL man.

I think Guyett reading me off one game doesn't work that well. Just so you guys know, Lucid Dreamers is my only scum game so far and my scumbuddy basically carried me through the whole thing.

I don't think I have an established play style yet, but just because I haven't posted a lot doesn't necessarily mean a scum read. IRL man.

In light of my wall of text, which I probably should have put under a spoiler:

VOTE: Guyett

He is acting way too laid-back to be town. I've played with him in one game where he was town and he was always skittish and panicky – I'm not seeing this here.

It's going to take a lot to move my vote from him, Guyett you are going down.

PEDIT: Have you played any town games with this new meta?

I didn't like that caled went from talking about how Guyett couldn't read him from one game to reading Guyett from one game himself. The conviction is good, but the tunneling is oddly transparent in a way that almost seems mechanical. I think that my original suspicions on him was from the way that he treated a claimed cop in hoppingom a wagon but then I remember how he was mislynched as a one shot bulletproof while looking like vt the whole way down and I think that he might just not be cognizant of how claims affect the game.

[sangres]

This might be the clincher - why?

[sangres]

And where are your town reads?

[sangres]

You have a policy scumread on RC? Jacob tends to lurk as either alignment, but not a bad scumread. Caled has an iso other than that single statement.

[sangres]

Peregrine has a poor looking ISO aside from promises of bulletproof vests.

[sangres]

Sangres, I feel like you're trying to talk yourself out of voting for Orcinus. All the indications you've alluded to suggest he's scum based on your experience? Nacho trusts my Rank meta and if my previous assumption is correct your gut read on Orcinus says scum... so what gives?

I just don't get this board sometimes. People will flash wagon a noob who didn't do anything scummy, but won't hang a well known veteran who is basically screaming "I'm scum."

As it stands, I'm going to vote orcinus before I leave. But I don't want him to go down quietly because "no one will interact with him".

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You realize that I RVS voted Guyett because he was online at the time and apparently there were votes on him, and unvoted immediately after i saw the buildup to his L-2?

Just making sure

Why are you RVS voting on page 29?

Guess, because it couldn't possibly because I replaced in and wanted some real-time interaction.

I don't really know where you disengaged from this mode and stepped into "analyze things, play the game" mode.

[sangres]

Nobody has been willing to interact with me much so I am lost on my town reads. Maybe cephrir is the closest.

I find your hydra suspect because you are scumreading me and you dont normally reach out to me when you are doing that. I dont' know how much of our personal friendship plays into that though.

I didn't reach out when I was scumreading you in the Chosen micro. It was a mistake. :/

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Sangres, I feel like you're trying to talk yourself out of voting for Orcinus. All the indications you've alluded to suggest he's scum based on your experience? Nacho trusts my Rank meta and if my previous assumption is correct your gut read on Orcinus says scum... so what gives?

I just don't get this board sometimes. People will flash wagon a noob who didn't do anything scummy, but won't hang a well known veteran who is basically screaming "I'm scum."

As it stands, I'm going to vote orcinus before I leave. But I don't want him to go down quietly because "no one will interact with him".

Sigh.

In this game you essentially have a seperated village which is fairly different from anything else I've seen. It's almost like competing tribes in Survivor. It seems to me like bauss is getting more sheep than he should be, and that suggests a scum-connection underlying those players. but I really can't tell because i just don't understand some of their actions.

I haven't even bothering with Bauss' 'arguments' because they are so ridiculously silly. He has given NO rank meta. He spins narratives. Like, I can't fight against a lynch that is built on the basis of "oh yeah we drove a contentless wagon on you and your reaciton was scummy".

You are not looking for my reaction to the right thing. And I can't fucking do analysis + don't want to do analysis when I am driven up like this.

Currently your wagon consists of bauss + people that trust bauss in his read. I understand that the wagon is sketchy and baseless with one exception, but in a case like that I would still eect more than I'm seeing here.

Speaking of bauss, when did he turn scum? We talked about how narrative spinning was more of an alignment neutral thing.

[sangres]

MVP, why are you voting Orc?

[sangres]

Are lynchers present in this setup?

That would make sense actually.

Lyncher is not considered a normal role. A large normal game can have up to 2 non-normal roles. The game title says "completely normal".

Seems unlikely to me.

[sangres]

Are lynchers present in this setup?

That would make sense actually.

[sangres]

I'm highly convinced that Orc is scum, he must die today. I fear if he is allowed to live today, we will never have the chance to lynch him again.

This is dumb. You can lynch whatever scum you want whenever you want; no one gets impossible to lynch later in the game because the case on them can only grow stronger.

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But, but, I think that lynching orc is the right move. I wanted to be sure when I lynched him because it's a lynch that feels like one person is putting major thought behind the lynch, and people are following along because his conviction is great enough. But, I have computer access for a day, and the highlight of ffery and my conversation was her stating that we've tried to give orc every chance to be town that we've been able to give him, and he hasn't taken any of them. We agree that it's time to lynch orc.

Vote: orcinus_the_original

[sangres]

yet scum teams still win games

For a multitude of reasons, none of which that include "scum lived past day 1 after being wagonned to shit".

[sangres]

Hold on Ceph, case is coming.

[sangres]

I prefer normal sex toys, thank you very much!