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Post Post #494 (isolation #0) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:50 am

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In post 491, shos wrote:so who's scum?
You.

VOTE: shos.

My basic reasoning was given before, though nobody's exactly missing much. Basically, though, your posts have been ridiculously to a scum agenda.
M's my best guess for scumbuddy. (Though, I
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if MS Marangal's crazy theory of two is right, it'd instead be "M is the remaining scum instead". Seems dangerous to assume there's only two scum, though.)
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Post Post #517 (isolation #1) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:39 am

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In post 500, MTD wrote:@Marangal: He means me with M.
Yep. Abbreviating your username!
In post 513, GreyICE wrote:I'm really considering a Marangal vote
Let's not consider. Let's do.

VOTE: Marangal.
My read's been inverted. Kovora was town--she is not.
In post 514, Guyett wrote:Grey and mastin town block?
Yep!
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Post Post #522 (isolation #2) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:45 am

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In post 518, MTD wrote:
In post 517, mastin2 wrote:
In post 500, MTD wrote:@Marangal: He means me with M.
Yep. Abbreviating your username!
In post 513, GreyICE wrote:I'm really considering a Marangal vote
Let's not consider. Let's do.

VOTE: Marangal.
My read's been inverted. Kovora was town--she is not.
In post 514, Guyett wrote:Grey and mastin town block?
Yep!
What the hell?
Kinda self-explanatory? My townread on Kovora has changed into a scumread thanks to Marangal. GreyICE-Guyett townbloc is a go, too.
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Post Post #528 (isolation #3) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:15 pm

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In post 524, MTD wrote:Well ok, was confused because of "Kovara was town" instead of "Kovara was a townread" or something, but that makes some sense. And I disagree.
Well, you would, given that you're probably scum.
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Post Post #546 (isolation #4) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:55 am

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In post 541, Antihero wrote:
Guyett has been called into interrogation! He'll be back in 36 hours.
I'm really beginning to question if the cops are a town force, because bluntly, this doesn't seem like a town-motivated interrogation. Guyett was in here posting, and now is absent right when he'd be needed most. Additionally, he was already present throughout the game. If they wanted to take a player involved in the current discussion (including voting Mara), why not take a player new to the scene, like myself?

Guyett, I'm expecting you to come back with some sort of addressing of these fears.
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Post Post #562 (isolation #5) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:57 am

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So how much of our in-thread requests got addressed, Guyett?
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Post Post #580 (isolation #6) » Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:24 am

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In post 577, Ms Marangal wrote:and, if Garmr/Mastin is town where is she? she should be leading this and she should be hammering down on me pretty damn hard if she actually thinks that I'm scum here because she knows I can be pretty slimy, but I don't see any of that at all.
Mainly because I don't really have that much confidence.

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Post Post #603 (isolation #7) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:35 pm

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In post 581, shos wrote:or if you have then perhaps you can enlighten me on how you don't townread me
Because there's nothing town in there.

Dopog looks like a mislynch to me.
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Post Post #613 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:23 am

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ANTIHERO, YOU BASTARD.
YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD AP BE THE ONE POSTING IN-THREAD.

Yo, AP. Next time you can, blaze with me.
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Post Post #661 (isolation #9) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:14 am

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Can I paraphrase the contents of the QT?
In post 654, jon_h61 wrote:I've never played with Mastin, but I know who she is from MD.
Helpful hint, game-me and theory-me are completely different.
In post 660, Guyett wrote:How did it go mastin?
Extremely well. I'm still working on fully regaining my focus, my drive, and my passion for the game, but it was a huge improvement from where I was, even if not as good as it could have been. (AP got kinda unresponsive near the end and Empking was a no-show.)
In post 630, Ms Marangal wrote:I will be spending quality time with mastin myself when she gets back.
Well, my read on you was apathetic before, but now it's more scum.
In post 633, Guyett wrote:Mastin talk to them about their town and scum reads.
talk about previous investigations ect
We had already long, LONG since done that by the time you posted this. :P I'll do so as soon as Antihero gives the go-ahead to paraphrase. We blazed a bright fire of nearly a hundred posts. (Okay, not quite, but it's closer to 100 than it is to 50, and I'm rounding up to the nearest 50. :P)

Basic version, when scumhunting AP said Mara was a solid lynch for today, and MTD's alignment was opposite of mine. (We didn't get the time for him to realize I was town. I'll get his stance more accurately defined when I get the go-ahead for the paraphrase.) He was suspicious of shos, but thought that he shouldn't be lynched today. GI's a townread, Guyett's our strongest townread, they've not got a town wincon, and AP posted about a usurper, but later implied that he was lying about that. My posting after that largely focused on using that piece of info for reads, which as I pointed out to him made his claim of there being a mafia usurper stupid because it wasted our time if he was trolling. (For the curious, shos/GreyICE were my picks in this discussion for usurper.)

That's leaving out way too much (and doesn't really feel like it accurately conveys the info), but it's as much as I can share without paraphrasing.

VOTE: MS Marangal.

Overall, leaning towards her and MTD being scum, quite strongly, and that shos is actually town.
I did have a jon scumread, but AP disagreed; we were discussing it before AP did the usurper distraction, and that discussion never got restarted.
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Post Post #665 (isolation #10) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:42 am

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kk.

I start out saying I'm his, and giving a basic summary of the game, and how it made me think shos/MTD were scum, but that I was also suspicious of Mara. AP starts out asking what he thinks their wincon is. He hadn't read much of the game, but wanted my opinions on others and the game. (We crossposted a lot.) He also kept on trying to bait me into claiming to be mafia, much to my annoyance, and also thought Guyett was town. (He later elaborated on it somewhat, that Guyett's QT looked town. Speaking of which, Guyett, I also answered AP on why you were asking about me in said QT, because I am well aware of why you asked.)

I answer his wincon question, basically saying that I don't know and that I don't really care to know; I'd treat him like he was town even if he wasn't. I said that being paranoid of one another would just waste our time. (A prediction partially true, as shown later.) I also say that I can't remember why I townread PrivateI, and that jon's entrance strongly looked like scum. I give a most-town to least-town list:
Guyett
GreyICE
LLD
dopog
shos/MS Marangal
MS Marangal/shos (at the time, strength in read was equal)
jonh
MTD.

Then AP said that shos might be scummy (later elaborating that shos's jabs in the QT looked really bad), but shouldn't be lynched today. AP also spewed about a godfather, and asks about the number of scum I think are present. I answer his concerns, townread shos, and say two scum alive, for three total. I also scumread MTD heavily for 621.

AP mentioned if not for Mindreader, he'd be much more strongly townreading GreyICE off of his posting (both in-thread and during N1), and I share that sentiment to some extent. It's at this point that AP supports the Mara lynch. I then go on to do some speculation about the scum, and also realize that officially, I don't exist. (I don't have my role PM.)

We're a little past the half-way point, and things go a little bit south, since AP quips about scumreading me, and brushes off my response. We do discuss PrivateI a bit, but he disagreed about my scumread on jonh's post and said it was nullish-town, rather than scum as I said. And then AP went and mentioned (with no hint of deception) the mafia usurper, even saying it was in his PM but not clearly. He asked me about it, so I spent some amount of time answering. The jonh debate continued as I argued scum-faking, but ultimately, the usurper talk surpassed it. He even joined in and said it'd logically be GreyICE.

Then he basically went "trololol, you actually believe me", and my answer was a long-winded, "...Yes? Why wouldn't I? I specifically said I was going to..."

But we never got a chance for him to clear that up. His last contribution was calling me and MTD oppositely-aligned and GI town; that was it, and the QT was left incomplete.

(Paraphrase still not entirely accurate, since I'm not sure how strict Antihero is about the "not quoting" part, because my initial wording of paraphrasing is some of the actual wording used. :P Butyeah, that's basically it, condensed down a bit but otherwise summarizing things.)
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Post Post #666 (isolation #11) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:44 am

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In post 663, MTD wrote:I am curious what that is supposed to mean.
Exactly what it sounds like?

They don't have a town wincon. He never shared what it was (not like I'd actually fully trust him on it, anyway--I'll trust him when blazing, not so much when out here; I told him that much explicitly), but it was quite obvious that bit of his posting wasn't a lie. Between saying that they're helping the town and yet trying to get me to claim scum, it's kinda obvious that he wasn't either.
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Post Post #691 (isolation #12) » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:35 am

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In post 668, Ms Marangal wrote:So, you lied when you told me Shos was the greater scum-read when I brought it up prior to getting called in for investigation. ok
Yeah, you're scum.

No, I didn't lie. My reads--quite obviously--are extremely fluid. Changing. Shifting. Morphing. Shos was a stronger scumread. Now he isn't. A town-you would know this and reason about it. A scum-you doesn't give that a second thought. A scum-you goes, "A-ha! Ammo!" Whereas a town-you would analyze and think about the mindset and if my read could have changed. Which is a pathetically simple thought to have. Reads evolve.
In post 669, Ms Marangal wrote:and, not only that, but you completely ignore the fact that I was starting to gear up towards trying to lynch you which is something that should have caught your attention because you know that I'm probably never going to stop until I get the lynch I want (as either alignment, but I'm more pushy as scum) and, at that point, you had MTD under myself and John however you havn't even thought of pushing either of them prior to getting called into investigation.
I ignored your gearing up to lynch me because there was nothing worth commenting on at the time. Nothing you said in relationship to me was town or scum. Now it is (scum).
In post 676, Guyett wrote:Scum is within this group { jonh_61, Ms Marangal, Lady Lambdadelta, dopog}

Not 100% comfortable with calling MTD and Shos town yet
My scumread on Mara is actually stronger than my scumread on jonh, so I'd appreciate sheeping me. MTD's also a scumread.
In post 678, Guyett wrote:I'll have to ask mastin and grey if they want shos in our townbloc. I'm inclined to say he's prob town due to my chat with the cops
Ehhhhh, that's a bit iffy. He's a townread, yeah, but not townbloc-read.
In post 689, shos wrote:mastin, why are you voting ms mara. have you seen the reasoning I gave for why she is town?
Nope! Rather, I probably saw it, but thought it so worthless that I never gave it a second thought.
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Post Post #714 (isolation #13) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:11 am

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In post 692, shos wrote:
In post 534, shos wrote:Unless dessew has been planning to go straight up against his pal, I highly doubt kovaraslot is scum with Dessew. Just read the ISO.
REREAD THEN.
That's...not really a case.
In post 693, dopog wrote:@Mastin: Can you just flesh out your progression of thoughts on shos a bit more? Wanna see where you're coming from.
"Oh, shos is scum with MTD. Painfully obvious."
"...Mara's entrance was really, REALLY bad. I might be wrong on one of my scumreads."
"So, one of shos/Mara/MTD is town, but I'm not sure which."
"MTD's definitely scum, but not sure on the others."
"Mara continues to look bad, though."
"Shos
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"Hmm, I guess he could be town."

Something along those lines.

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Post Post #715 (isolation #14) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:12 am

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In post 698, MTD wrote:
In post 697, dopog wrote:I'm vt all the way
Go hammer away

This is probably it eh? and I guess as I said before not really too miffed; played average and stuff

But I mean seriously shos and (mostly?) mtd. I'm not like "oh yeah that's a concrete scumtell" I'm saying that's what I think when I read a post.
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I don't get the point of the last line.

I think I am going to hammer this, any objections?
VOTE: MTD
If I wasn't there already.
Seriously, this is scumposting at its finest.
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Post Post #716 (isolation #15) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:14 am

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Oh. Forgot to mention this.
Mod: V/LA for the next week. ESPECIALLY Thursday-Sunday.

My grandmother's dieing. She's in a coma, and fading fast. She's the relative I go to visit in southern Oregon each year, meaning that when I go down there, I'm obviously going to be V/LA, emphasis on the Limited Access. I'll do what I can to keep playing, though.
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Post Post #720 (isolation #16) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:04 am

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In post 718, shos wrote:I'm having trouble seeing mastin voting MTD this close to deadline. msatin, you should hammer.
No.

Outside GreyICE and LLD, dopog's my strongest townread. Heck, with LLD's lack of posting and slight pings about GreyICE, he might even be my strongest townread. That's not a guy I'm going to hammer; that's a guy I will stick my neck out on the line for, and even offer up myself in his place.

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Post Post #746 (isolation #17) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:52 am

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In post 740, MTD wrote:I ask what she didn't tell, AP says he called her scum repeatedly until she got annoyed (lol)
Oi! AP! I did tell them that. It's there in both versions, the short and the detailed one. I made it quite explicit my annoyance at you calling me scum.

VOTE: MTD.
Not a fan of the LLD wagon. Why are you all so certain this is a scum kill, anyway?
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Post Post #772 (isolation #18) » Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:31 am

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In post 767, shos wrote:Lambdadelta looks good for a lynch.
I'd be more willing to lynch you than her.

Why not MTD?
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Post Post #781 (isolation #19) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:07 pm

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In post 774, shos wrote:@mastin: you never specified why you actually want to lynch me, lol.
In post 776, MTD wrote:@mastin: I am still waiting for any reasoning why you want to lynch me.
:shifty:

(But to answer both at the same time: I actually did. It was just lost in the small rollback we had.)
In post 780, MTD wrote:Ok, if anyone didn't know, LLD is at L-1 currently and jon said he has intent to hammer, so she should at least come here, although I suspect he was taken out at this point because the police doesn't agree with LLD-scum...
Last I knew, she wasn't as town to them as they originally thought, but they didn't think her scum at the time.
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Post Post #797 (isolation #20) » Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:26 am

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In post 785, GreyICE wrote:Honestly, I have really good feelings about Mastin, she's fairly obviously not a good choice. I feel really good about Shos at this point, and I feel really good about MTD

That leaves what, Guyett and LLD? Guyett at least seems to give a shit here. Although it should be noted, Nobody Special has a meta of replacing out as scum, so please keep that in mind.
The problem with this is that shos and MTD are the only players I don't have good feelings for. Heck, Guyett's the only player I really have good feelings for.

I don't think I'll be able to fully explain. But basically: MTD's interactions throughout the game have heavily, HEAVILY seemed like scum, opportunistically jumping on at every opportunity. shos's interactions have also heavily seemed like scum, and bluntly, I don't think he deserves nearly as much credit for the D1 scum lynch as he is claiming he does. And that, aside from that single act that he is raising to a high pedestal, his play this game has been, well...not town.
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Post Post #805 (isolation #21) » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:16 pm

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In post 799, jon_h61 wrote:When you're on the outside 36 hours seems like a long time to wait for the interrogatee to get back, but it went too quickly during interrogation for my liking. I guess the only thing I carried away from it is that both AP and Empking think Mastin should be Today's lynch. AP also said that he thought Grey is scum, and that he thinks LLD is Town. I had more I wanted to get from them, but it didn't get to happen.

AP said that they are Kind of pro-Town, but not exactly Town. He also said they wouldn't post in the game thread at all this game.

Mastin is calling MTD scum, but not giving any case that I can see. The same with shos and me. is another example of doing the same. What conversation we (the Police) had convinced me that our best chance of hitting scum is to
VOTE: Mastin2
Oh, yeah. Jon. Forgot about him. He's scum.
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Post Post #870 (isolation #22) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:59 am

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In post 809, MTD wrote:
In post 805, mastin2 wrote:Oh, yeah. Jon. Forgot about him. He's scum.
3 scum? Srsly?
No. My statement was saying that I thought jon was scum. Which by definition would mean that I thought one of you was town and that the other was scum, with only two scum.

You assuming that I was saying three scum, however, looks like a scumslip.
In post 831, GreyICE wrote:sucks to be you mtd
Really think that this is saying, "Hi, scumbuddy. Sorry, I'm actually not your scumbuddy."
In post 835, GreyICE wrote:To any town: I neither win with you nor the scum. Emp and AP can arrest one person, and will do so shortly. That person will be scum. Lynching me is counterproductive to your win condition, and my claim is nothing BUT testable.
Reinforced here. He's not speaking to those who're posting. He's speaking to those not around.
In post 843, GreyICE wrote:The major reason I'm posting this is because if any townies come in and vote for anyone who turns out to be town (or me), my two "scumbuddies" have the potential to jump on it for lynch, which would be catastrophic for both town and cops.
Also, this is addressed more to shos and myself than to MTD.
In post 854, shos wrote:I donot understand what "arrest" means. If they take a vote away, say ends? Or is it mylo?
Also looks genuine,
In post 855, MTD wrote:I think it basically means they have a dayvig-shot.
Also I think (hope) the day continues after that, otherwise town has no chance.
And also looks fake.

In addition to my reasons from before. I really. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally think it's MTD.

I'm a bit busy atm. But I'll be doing both offense and defense a fair bit.
In post 866, shos wrote:mastin2.
who has literally said nothing in the first phase of the day. -___-;
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Post Post #872 (isolation #23) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:13 am

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Basic tl;dr version of case on MTD: He's been pushing mislynches the entire game, and been playing cautiously enough to not get caught having done so. He's also done a fair amount of buddying to players like me.
In post 190, MTD wrote:If you are so desperate for a vote, fine
VOTE: GreyICE
Also Private is lurking, yes, but that is null in itself. so anyway,
@Private: Feel like sharing thoughts?
This is also really.

REALLY.
REALLY
bad.

Because from what I can tell, the remaining scum is a godfather. (AP mentioned the existence of a godfather and a usurper in the interrogation QT I had with him. At the time, I had no clue what it was, but apparently, he actually was serious about those being real, with GreyICE as the 'usurper'.) The godfather very well might have either known or suspected that a scum player was not on their side, thanks to four scum total including GreyICE.

So if the godfather was legitimately scumhunting, well...
And the defense of PrivateI looks bad, too.

While he did briefly vote PrivateI, he took it off fairly quickly and never really pressured.
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I know this is something town might say as well in that situation, still, it doesn't quite sit right with me.
In post 776, MTD wrote:@mastin: I am still waiting for any reasoning why you want to lynch me.
Also seems to be setting up the possibility of this very scenario.

Again. Busy. Full case will have to come later.

But everything's really pointing to MTD for me.
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Post Post #873 (isolation #24) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:19 am

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In post 871, MTD wrote:C'mon, you said about both shos and me, that our play "heavily seems like scum" in #797 and then in your very next post you go "oh and Jon is scum" without saying anything about the two of us?
Yes. "MTD looks like scum.
shos looks like scum.
...Oh. But jon? He
is
scum. Forgot about that."

Which carries the implication that I'm wrong about my suspicion on one of you. Not that I think all three of you are a scumteam. Again. It's the normal town thought to see the above and realize what the implication was. Given the setup, it strongly, STRONGLY looks like a scum thought to read the above and assume it's saying "all three of you are scum!".
Well, great, I seriously hope you are scum right now, because you don't sound like you would even stop a second to think about me being town right now.
If I was scum, then I'd sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. Because you've shown SEVERE suspicion of shos, and shos has reciprocated, while basically ignoring me. That's IDEAL scum conditions. A scuMastin couldn't ask for a better lylo. But I'm town, so I actually have to do the work of trying to figure out if you're town or not.

Which I heavily, heavily lean against. I am not ignoring the possibility. I am considering it. Weighing it. Analyzing it. But your posting? Just doesn't look like town. Everything's pointing to you being scum. But if I was sure, I'd have voted you already. I'm not. Again, your posting here, though, is reinforcing my thoughts about you being scum. Because a town-you being heavily suspicious of shos, I'd expect to be basically begging me to not jump in and vote you. To ask for time to make a case against him, and whatnot. Instead, you're backing out of your shos scumread to pseudo-omgus me out of necessity because you're concerned that if you 1v1d against shos, I'd side with him over you.
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Post Post #878 (isolation #25) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:40 am

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In post 876, MTD wrote:Your posting makes it obvious that me thinking you wouldn't even consider me as town was correct.
Again. I am considering. I'm not ignoring the possibility. It's just that literally everything is pointing to you. shos being scum is not impossible. But the picture it paints is highly convoluted and contrived. You being scum is not a perfect picture, but scum never are going to be picture-perfect. It makes sense.
Interpreting everything your hands can tell as HEAVILY sounding scummy and you STRONGLY leaning scum on me (and mentioning this in every single post) is really entertaining to watch.
Not everything you've said is scum. When I get around to a full case, I can show that most strongly. By showing the town elements, and also the scum elements from shos. It's just that, well. Everything is pointing your way.
Luckily, I think you are not, but I will wait for shos now.
Funny you say that.
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(and I don't want to hear that D1 point)
In post 827, MTD wrote:(specifically I was (beside from LLD) also hoping for more from mastin)
Among others. There's a whole heck of a lot more. You were clearly pointing towards shos. You were clearly buddying me. Until I suddenly said I was scumreading you. And now, you've pulled a full reversal, not only dropping the shos scumread, but buddying him and attacking me, in basically the ultimate lylo omgus. It really. REALLY. Looks like you're scum, who panicked when their planned strategy suddenly blew up in their face.

And if you were actually town, I'd expect some sort of recognition of this. There are town ways to have this type of reaction. (For instance, I've had a couple of recent games where I had it.) Instead, there's a deflection of it. Instead, there's not even a half-hearted "you're wrong" response about this point. Because it really. Really. feels like you
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Post Post #885 (isolation #26) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:59 am

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Full case will come later. But basic reason I'm not scum?

I've been trying to figure things out from the beginning, my reads have been fluent, I actually had interest in lynching jon (the last player a scum-me would want to lynch), I didn't suspect GreyICE (the first player a scum-me would want to lynch), Garmr's interactions aren't coming from scum, if the scum control the nightkill (not sure about that), none of the kills fit my kill pattern, I haven't shown inside knowledge (whereas I believe MTD has), and dead scum's interactions don't point to me being scum; they point away from me being scum.
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Post Post #887 (isolation #27) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:10 am

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In post 799, jon_h61 wrote:I guess the only thing I carried away from it is that both AP and Empking think Mastin should be Today's lynch. AP also said that he thought Grey is scum, and that he thinks LLD is Town. I had more I wanted to get from them, but it didn't get to happen.

AP said that they are Kind of pro-Town, but not exactly Town. He also said they wouldn't post in the game thread at all this game.

Mastin is calling MTD scum, but not giving any case that I can see. The same with shos and me. is another example of doing the same. What conversation we (the Police) had convinced me that our best chance of hitting scum is to
VOTE: Mastin2
In post 800, jon_h61 wrote:
In post 794, shos wrote:Mastin's life have been difficult lately, and when any content comes from that slot that will interest me itll be regarding myself. So I can definitely live with a lynxh right now, especially seeing this:
This lines up with what I was originally thinking about Mastin, and I was really leaning scum on LLD. Now I'm back to second guessing myself.

What are peoples' thoughts on our Cops? Is there any possibility that maybe at least one of them is trying to influence us toward a scum win?

Now I AM getting paranoid.
In particular, this attitude from jon. Keep in mind the perspective of a goon yesterday. If they didn't know about the godfather/usurper mechanic, they thought yesterday with four scum alive would be lylo. Why bus a scumbuddy when you can go for a win? It doesn't add up.
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Post Post #892 (isolation #28) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:39 am

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In post 891, MTD wrote:But keep in mind that you said earlier that you think scum knew something about the "usurper".
I said it was possible, especially on the godfather's end. It makes more sense for the person being targeted to know they're being targeted than it does for their grunts to know that someone's targeting the godfather. It also makes a little more sense than the godfather being completely unaware that they have a usurper after them. (If no message was available, the only tip-off would be the scumteam's size, which could be explained by other factors.)

It doesn't have to be something explicit; it could just be something like "you seriously think you have three goons loyal to you in a mini? I'd doubt that" (that actually sounds scarily a lot like the type of wording Antihero would use in his PMs :P), which in a game called Paranoia might do the trick. It could be explicit. But how the message was delivered doesn't matter so much as it is that I find it more likely that the message was there, existing.

Oh, and another point in my favor I thought of is that I don't actually have my role. It was lost in the rollback. Thus, if I was actually scum, I'd have needed the details, I'd have needed to get it back, and use it and such to know my situation. But because I had no need to really remember the VT PM (especially given that it's on the front page), I never bothered to ask.
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Post Post #895 (isolation #29) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:50 pm

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In post 893, MTD wrote:Again, how do you know so much about the godfather? How is he being "targeted"?
Why does the godfather matter in this context?
Isn't godfather just a goon that shows "town" to cops?
I know the godfather is targeted through a combination of GreyICE's posting in-thread, the interrogation with AP where he revealed the existence of the godfather and the usurper, and through knowing what the definition of a usurper is. Usurpers near-universally target the godfather to steal their place.
In post 894, MTD wrote:If that last point is true, it has some value IMO, of course there is no way for us to confirm it though...
(and I mean confirming it was A. lost (maybe we could) and B. you didn't get it back (we can't))
Well, you know it was lost because you know what time the rollback was during, and know what time I replaced in. I got my role PM basically at the end of N1--do you have a beginning-of-D2 PM in your inbox? No? Do you have a beginning-of-day PM for other days? Yes? Then there's your proof that it was lost, along with the announcement OF my replacing in.

Of course you don't know that I didn't get it back, but I didn't and it's kinda obvious I didn't.
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Post Post #912 (isolation #30) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:58 am

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In post 896, MTD wrote:Btw, why do you say GreyICE would be the first player you would lynch as scum when as scum you would have thought he was your scumbuddy?
Because if the scum suspected a usurper, then his attitude at the beginning would've been a dead-giveaway. His posting looked town to me. In hindsight, you can see it's usurper. But as scum, I'd know he was scum, and wonder about his posting.
Notice that points away from me as well btw, as I would have gone for the LLD-fastlynch.
Except one of my main points against you is that you've specifically avoided trying to incriminate yourself on wagons, while still pushing them. Not voting, but supporting them. How many times have you said "not hammering" or akin, but "support anyway"? (Not exact wording.)

I'll take a look at the shoscum points later; I'm planning a full game reread later.
In post 909, MTD wrote:On the one hand mastin was the only alive player they asked me for a read on, however then they mostly argued against my scumread on her.
AP.
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Argued against me being scum.

There's your proof I'm town. AP never misreads me. EVER. I've tried to fool him, never pulled off.

Shos knows that's true, too. AP might start or have paranoia of me. But ultimately, he always. ALWAYS. Gets it right in the end.
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Post Post #913 (isolation #31) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:04 am

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In post 910, MTD wrote:In there police seems to scumread
both
mastin and shos.
AP was paranoid of me. Said paranoia apparently was addressed if what you say from yours is true. I'm going from memory, but I believe they said shos was a lynch for later.
What also throws me off is that mastin said that AP
townread
jon.
Uh, I don't remember that? I think he disagreed with the scumread, not thinking it a townread.
Btw, I just realized that actually makes sense since afaik they didn't talk to grey before any of our interrogations, right?
Fairly certain they mentioned taking GI in N1. And I know that GI mentioned it in the lost posts that he was.

So they did.
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Post Post #914 (isolation #32) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:06 am

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Theory: AP read me right as town.
Jon lied about their read of me being town, and said it was scum as leverage, not knowing about the arrest mechanic.
Jon, having lied, was taken in by the cops.
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Post Post #915 (isolation #33) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:11 am

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Oh. Guess he did.

Butyeah. AP's reads evolve.

Tracking what I know of the mechanics and from what I've pieced together, it really looks like the cops figured out I was town and knew jon to be scum, risking the game on it. I need time to think over whether they knew/thought shos or MTD to be the other scum, though.
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Post Post #916 (isolation #34) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:26 am

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Shos might actually be scum, though, for the "not dead yet" bit AP pushed. If AP knew shos was scum, asking for shos to live longer makes sense if AP wanted to figure out which scum to arrest.

If AP didn't know who was scum, point annulled, but I need to give this a long hard think and crossreference everything.

Because I think that who is scum here will be really, really obvious through the QTs. Basically, I really, REALLY think all the pieces of the puzzle are here, between the dead scum, GI, and the cop QTs and their actions and words and whatnot. I just need to piece them all together to form the final picture.
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Post Post #917 (isolation #35) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:30 am

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In post 867, shos wrote:oh man this is going to be a reaaaaaheeeally hard lylo
In post 883, shos wrote:I was asleep, why the rush, we have a full deadline.

gonna go to work and uni today, probably not the super best day to vote in lylo
In post 884, shos wrote:well, tomorrow
I will see this game through.
you guys are welcome to burst at each other while I'm out, convince me you're not scum
.
In post 902, shos wrote:lol I'm so townie
the entire interrogation is me talking with myself about how greyice sucks and OMFG WHY IS DESSEW AGREEING
I'm totally pullthing the D1 argument for you MTD, again, for why I am town XD read the QT after the game


OMFG THERE IS A HINT
In post 904, shos wrote:Alright so here's the deal
Empking and Wind told me to convey a message from the police to town, which I thought was stupid so I ignored it, but now it is pure gold: they said that scum are probably just laughing while we're fighting when they lurk(paraphrase)....this was on February 19th, so I wnet back and saw if either of you lurked at that time or so, and it seems that Garmr has indeed been like that, or something.

so hmmn.
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Post Post #918 (isolation #36) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:36 am

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And just saw something else.
In post 883, shos wrote:I was asleep,
why the rush, we have a full deadline.


gonna go to work and uni today, probably not the super best day to vote in lylo
In post 884, shos wrote:well, tomorrow
I will see this game through.
What changed, shos? You went from "let's not rush, we've got a full deadline" to "Imma gonna end it tomorrowz".

Really.
REALLY.
Need to think things through right now.

Gah.

Gun to my head, I think I'd actually be voting shos right now, but it's like 51/49 right now. I need to do my research. My homework. Because I really can't tell right now.
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Post Post #919 (isolation #37) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:47 am

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Actually.

I have another theory.

Cops knew about GI's existence, but didn't know his identity until he tipped them off.
GI was taken in N1...but
didn't
tell the cops who the scum were. (Not sure why he wouldn't, but there could be good reasons.)
Then, last night, GI was taken in again and told them who the scum were and who he suspected throughout the whole game. (Jon.) Which is supported by this.
In post 848, GreyICE wrote:Like the previous times I was making fun of you? That was just me passing on messages about random shit underhandedly.

This time it's just me passing on messages directly. That was not pro-cop.
I'll need to check my facts, but I think this actually explains a lot. GI didn't get a chance to talk to the cops N1 as much as he needed to and never revealed the names. The cops didn't target him again until much later, still trying to figure out who the scum were. He told them, and they supported it, and they pulled the trigger on jon.

Which would mean they legitimately scumhunted throughout the game if I'm right. MTD's words mean that AP thought me town, but if they didn't know who was scum, then their guess at MTD/shos (which I can see being either at this point off of what I know) would've been just that, a guess, and only GI's info told them otherwise. And that'd make GI's posting today far more indicative of who would be scum and I think I just switched to 51/49 on MTD/shos from this but I am getting driven insane from paranoia.
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Post Post #922 (isolation #38) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:54 am

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Guh.

Just thought of another thing.

Basically, almost any point against or in favor of MTD is a similar point for me.
There's differences, obviously, but things like VCA and such all give no answers between us being scum.

...And there's generally a reason for that...being neither would actually
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Post Post #923 (isolation #39) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:55 am

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In post 920, MTD wrote:Grey. When the cops took in shos for questioning he ranted about them taking a townie. Now that might be either sincere or him trying to look like a good scumbuddy.
He ranted about them taking mastin too, but didn't explicitely say anything about alignment.
He ranted about Guyett, too, but didn't say anything about Guyett's alignment, either, if memory serves.

...Which is a point against shos once again being the odd man out. Ranting about us but not saying our alignment, ranting about shos but saying his alignment.
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Post Post #926 (isolation #40) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:02 am

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In post 919, mastin2 wrote:GI was taken in N1...but
didn't
tell the cops who the scum were.
If this is true, it's possible GI's stances were trying to tell the cops his info. Like, taking out jon from the lynch list...but not calling him town. (I'll need to fact-check that; I caught it on a skim of his iso.) Calling shos scum might also fit into that.
In post 924, MTD wrote:What do you make of shos bringing up the possibility of lynching grey again after it was already discussed?
Well, it was a pro-scum idea, so if he could con a town player into going along with it, game would be over with a scum win.

Sooooooooooooooo, back to 51/49 on shos/MTD.
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Post Post #927 (isolation #41) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:08 am

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In post 798, GreyICE wrote:Mastin, I love you, but I've told you before one of the fastest ways for me to get a town read on someone is for you to tell me they're 100% scum.

Am good with an LLD lynch, but I'd vaguely like to hear something from Jon. She doesn't seem to give a shit, which is a good sign - playing solo serial killer after a day 1 scumbuddy lynch is hyper demoralizing.
Looks important.
In post 679, GreyICE wrote:Shos is pissing me off.

Take Jon out of the possibly scum list.
What I caught. Again, very well could have been code for "SHOS IS SCUM, BUT NOT THE GODFATHER".
In post 642, GreyICE wrote:This feels like he really wants to know my role.
This also looks really important; it's about shos.
In post 571, GreyICE wrote:Nothing 100%, but I don't feel like a PI lynch today.

Worrying about the alignment of someone you can't even lynch (and who is being replaced) remains an enormous waste of fucking time. Shos, why are you diddling about with that shit?
Another potentially important one.

Again, need to review everything. But this is looking really, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad for shos.
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Post Post #930 (isolation #42) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:48 am

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In post 928, MTD wrote:However if shos was scum, he would actually have bussed ALL of his scumpartners at some point.
So would've Garmr.
In post 389, Garmr wrote:Grey ice-He seems to be paranoid as fuck his not acting like his usual sane self town or scum. So I really don't know how to handle him as a lot of the shit his cases have been null and one or two points a little have a tiniest bit of merit at best. I don't know what to make of him so I'm leaving him unrated

Dessew-at first I thought he was a vi but his hop onto the muffin wagon was a little more suss and his action send a couple of shivers down my spine. Through I think he could just be a vi because of mara's actions but I'll put him as null scum.

Private-null-scum he just doesn't seem to give two fucks about this game.
Admittedly null-scum, but read the descriptions here.
(Speaking of which...Garmr fought the zMuff wagon D1...AND was trying to figure out Kovora, not blindly calling her scum.) Also here, where he calls Dessew and PrivateI scum and GI a null.

Oh, and also--if shos checked Garmr's activity levels and said that Garmr lurked on the 19th, that's a lie, 'cause Garmr posted then. Something like ten posts worth.
In post 227, shos wrote:Bastard bastard mod.
This could explain a scum-shos's actions. Yeah, he said it in jest, but...it actually kinda applies, doesn't it?

A scum player thinking there's a bastard element I can totally see being paranoid of scumbuddies.
In post 228, shos wrote:for example, I now kinda think that you are a third party jester. that is precisely the tell that you said only mafia do. and you..you fit to TWO possible third parties by now - a lyncher for Muffin, and a jester; I don't see how you're going up town and muffin's scum.
Another biggie; if the Godfather was aware there was a usurper, well, a usurper is essentially just that: a third party lyncher.

Who shos would want gone.
In post 403, shos wrote:Well i have messages from the dead topic. Ehm, i mean, other side. I mean, policee

Ill poat from home in like 11 hours. Meanwhile
VOTE: dessew
L+6
Another explanation for shos voting a scumbuddy is if the police suspected dessew; that'd give incentive for shos to want to be on their good side.
In post 547, shos wrote:My assumption is that the cops will join the game in lylo or after it or something, or, that one of them is scum, and they will enter the game after 2 scum are down
In a way, this...kinda actually happened; might be important.
In post 619, shos wrote:VOTE: jon

speak up, scum. quickly now, don't read the QT.
If shos was scumhunting scum (looking for a usurper), making a statement like this actually makes perfect sense.

(BTW, reading shos in iso, I see a lot of changes in stances that have no trajectory to them; they're broken and disjointed.)

It fits, but again. Need more time to research.
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Post Post #931 (isolation #43) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:51 am

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I am leaning towards shos right now, but I really don't know.
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Post Post #934 (isolation #44) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:40 pm

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Ahg.

As I was driving here, I had a thought which made me think, "STOP! Look at MTD again", but I can't remember what that thought was, just that I had it. :/
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Post Post #936 (isolation #45) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:44 pm

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Oh. Now I remember.
In post 932, MTD wrote:Ok from meta I can confirm that this much bussing would be exceptional from shos.
It was actually this. As I was driving, I was thinking about the game, and on shos. I concluded he could be scum, and that's what my mind was thinking. Especially given the mechanic of the game is apparently largely paranoia, and paranoia of scumbuddies = bussing them.

...But the thought struck me of "Or occam's razor, he's just town and not bussing" hit me, and that my read of his iso was biased and that he was more likely town overall than scum.

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Post Post #938 (isolation #46) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:46 pm

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In post 935, MTD wrote:Hm?
Fridge Logic, only in this case, 'driving in a car logic'. I was struck by a thought that made shos be likely town, but by the time I got to a place I could actually type it our, I had forgotten what that thought was. Thus the post.

Then reading your post made me realize that something similar to your post was actually the same thing I was seeing.
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Post Post #939 (isolation #47) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:49 pm

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But it should be noted: MTD actually thinking a lot of the same things I am and picking up on them is actually a good thing. It points towards us having the same general mindset towards things. And that makes me doubt MTD being scum, too. Especially since the first thing about shos that MTD said was true. Both of us are here, actively trying to figure things out (or doing a very good job of having faked that). shos...hasn't.
In post 935, MTD wrote:I need things from shos now I think or I will just be going in circles.
In post 937, MTD wrote:if shos isn't scum you are and right now both seem about equally likely to me.
And both of these look town, to.
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Post Post #940 (isolation #48) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:51 pm

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Overall, I'd still say 51/49 shos/MTD. Because while shos has the point about bussing in his favor, it is greatly exaggerated in its importance and the mechanic of the game means that a scum-him would probably have incentive TO bus. And MTD's posting also looks better, now.

But I dunno.

I really, really don't.
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Post Post #941 (isolation #49) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:54 pm

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I really need to put the time into this game. If not tonight, then tomorrow. But soon, somehow, the whole thing. AP's QT. The thread. All in one sitting, with crossreferencing.

This shouldn't be that hard. I feel like all the pieces of the puzzle
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there, and that if I thought things through, really thought things through, I'd put them all together correctly and have my answer. But it is.
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Post Post #958 (isolation #50) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:28 am

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In post 942, shos wrote:I literally spoke about dessew the entire thread, they could just agree if they wanted that. when he said that scum lurked, he marked it with an asterix. I thought it was meaningless at the time.
Except Garmr was active at the time you're saying he was supposedly lurking.
and that quote was supposed to get me nightkilled, it was a 'I am a PR' crumb that never got picked up. as a VT, I hoped to lure the nightkill, thinking that there are other PRs.
This also reads as highly BS, 'specially given that as soon as it was brought up to the cops, they said you were fakeclaiming it.
In post 943, shos wrote:'see this through' does not mean that I'm ending the game, also, you can see that I haven't really done that xD
Because we never gave you the chance. I almost did. MTD apparently also almost did. We were at each others' throats for quite a bit. Had one of us actually voted the other, you could have. You haven't had a chance; you voting would make a 1v1 that's only a 50% chance at winning.
In post 945, shos wrote:GreyICE called you scum, mastin
This is a quote snipe of all quote snipes possible. GI called me scum...once.
On D1.
Before he had reason to call his scumbuddies scum.

His reversal of reads into me being town later-on is a good thing.

Also, you're ignoring the point about AP.
AP has perfect accuracy reading me. You know this. You've seen this. He had me as town.
By word of MTD. Who, if town wouldn't be lying and as scum would be, well, scum. In either case, I wouldn't be scum, yet you don't acknowledge that point.

This is the type of scumposting from you that I saw in Under the Sea.
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Post Post #959 (isolation #51) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:31 am

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In post 949, shos wrote:seriously, you guys should just vote each other x)
Again. This is the same vibe in posting to come from a scum-orc in Tales' lylo.

Actual town players?

Don't like to be the person making the decision. I hate it. It requires a lot of analysis and is a royal pain to do. It's confusing, hard to navigate, and ultimately, in lylo, it's hard to determine who's scum because all the players have town and scum things about them.

Scum players? Obviously want to set up a townVtown fight, which you seem to be doing.
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Post Post #961 (isolation #52) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:36 am

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In post 951, shos wrote:I mean literally, go through my ISO, I went against both flipped scum and protected townies allll the way, except for Lambda of course, which is just my bad :/
So did I. I defended town a lot and attacked scum a lot.
And to a lesser extent, so did MTD. He didn't vote town a lot and didn't exactly strongly defend scum a lot. (Not from memory, anyway; need to double-check that.)

Bluntly, your point here is coming off as being utter total bullshit. You're exaggerating the truth because it suits your ends, and it doesn't look like you're approaching this from a town mindset...at all.
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Post Post #962 (isolation #53) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:41 am

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Like...when I go through posting, I'm going through trying to analyze things.
Same for MTD. I bring points up for consideration.

You, shos...are just quoting them and leaving them there. "Lol, me so town"ing. Which is, basically, what orcinus did in Tales.
I went in suspicious of MTD, MTD went in and considered orc conftown. Orc insisted we crossvote for him to hammer.
I'm not seeing the analysis. I'm not seeing the townness. I'm seeing "get it over with already".
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Post Post #970 (isolation #54) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:44 am

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In post 963, shos wrote:first quote - garmr started talking loud about ~hour *after* that was posted; I cannot post timestamps here.
Except he also posted on the eighteenth, a day before the accusation, too. Meaning that Garmr was plenty active and thus, not lurking.
the cops were not the ones intended to shoot me.
But they were quick to point out the gambit as being fake, and scumread you in part because of it.
as you can see I'm not yet voting you.
But you're planning on it.
your point about AP - firstly, no, I don't know that,
Except yes you do. You just saw it in your Open. AP and I explicitly described this behavior. If you've had any previous game that had both AP and I in it, it would be described there, too, because it applies in basically every single game we share. He doesn't misread me. Ever.
in Under the Sea there was another scumteam, I was legitimately scumhunting there, lol.
But still posting as scum. I'm not talking about scumhunting efforts. (Speaking of which, my understanding is that the surviving scum HAD incentive to legitimately scumhunt anyway, which again counters the main point you've used as your defense.) The way you're thinking. It simply doesn't look like the town shos I've seen in countless games; it seems like your thought is just...different.
what benefit to I get from a TvT fight? I, as scum, just need one of you to think the other is scum. I need only one faulty vote, I don't need an entire bible here.
Uh...you ask what you gain from a TvT fight...and then describe precisely what a TvT fight actually is as what you'd do. :shifty:
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In post 777, jon_h61 wrote:I'm pretty sure Grey, MTD, and Shos are all Town. Mastin hasn't been scum hunting much, but I do understand why.
For reference.
He went for voting mastin in his next post.
Which, again, would be acting against his wincon if I was scum. He listed Grey as town; his scumbuddy was certainly one of the other two, leaving LLD and myself as mislynches. It's good for scum to have one lynch candidate be a mislynch. It's a field day if two or three lynch candidates are mislynches. A scum player not aware of the usurper would be going for the win. So having me as someone available to vote or not-vote is advantageous to a scum wincon.
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Post Post #972 (isolation #55) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:02 am

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In post 971, MTD wrote:@mastin: What about that "AP reads me perfectly" then?
Jon was scum.
In what he must've thought was lylo.
Today,
the cops arrested jon
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He has every incentive to lie about the QT. Claiming he has the support of the cops when he really doesn't gives him leverage. What if the cops had said "Mastin's town, LLD's also fairly town, GI is meh, MTD and shos I dunno, you look like scum" or something to that effect? In what jon thought was lylo...would he actually report that to the thread, that the cops think he's scum?

No. He wouldn't. He has every reason to not only lie, but claim a result contrary to the cops' positions. Notice how he didn't go into detail about the conversations, like you and I did. We both paraphrased. He just said one thing. And that's probably because he couldn't fake an entire QT-worth of their interactions not being what he claimed. It's newbscum play to see a cop guilty claim on you and to counterclaim it; think a modified version of that, where the cops said he was scum but he claimed they thought I was scum.

AP townread me in your interrogation. We don't know what AP said about me in jon's interrogation, because jon never elaborated. But jon's arrest makes it quite evident the cops thought he was scum, and not just any scum, but godfather-scum...which would make the most amount of sense...if jon lied about how their interrogation went.
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Post Post #975 (isolation #56) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:57 am

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In post 973, MTD wrote:Mind, that AP doesn't exactly say he townreads you, he says something like "mastin could be scum, but..." and then some points that speak against my points for scumreading you.
That IS him townreading me, M. :P
In post 292, AngryPidgeon wrote:I think I have townreads of decreasing magnitude (roughly) on:
KidA, Lia, mastin, Egg, Zar, Chamber.
In post 299, AngryPidgeon wrote:Mastin and I are not buddies, contrary to what our posting here may imply. We really are more like arch-nemeses that respect each other a lot. She is the Lucille Austero to my Lucille Bluth. I the magneto to her Professor X.

Us not having game-breaking paranoia about each other is something I just wanna soak in and enjoy since this hasn't happened since I can remember. Hell, hte last time I remember us working together was GoW mafia like a year ago where we both Died on N1 anyways and it took me threatening to out mastin's cop ceumb to get her to trust me.
Basically, AP had me as a decent townread, and described the mechanic between us perfectly.
In post 321, AngryPidgeon wrote:Mastin, I might be getting paranoid bout you. I know its dumb, but that one sentence you said is making me nervous.
This. The first sentence feels like scum you. And I need to know you are town cause you being scum is gonna shake up my reads for sure.
He also got paranoid of me, like he did this game...
In post 357, AngryPidgeon wrote:Probtown: mastin2, formerfish, Chamber
...But still had me as town, aside from paranoia. I could quote more, but most of it is him setting up a real-crumb of hider to fake-hide behind me.
In post 505, AngryPidgeon wrote:Sorry mastin, Im pretty sure I your death is on me there.
As he revealed here. He trusted me enough to risk hiding elsewhere, in spite of the 'crumb pointing to him hiding behind me. Basically, he doubted, but ultimately gambited on me being town.
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Post Post #992 (isolation #57) » Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:07 pm

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For the record, weekend V/LA means that, no. I could not have hammered.

I'm likely going to use the full week we have, here, since I really need to think that over.

Kinda wondering how familiar MTD is with my game history, though, 'specially considering he's researched jon. (The answer actually could make the difference between MTD being town and scum.)
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Post Post #1001 (isolation #58) » Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:39 pm

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/now not hammering.

Still going to review.
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Post Post #1002 (isolation #59) » Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:34 pm

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Alright. So I'm not exactly in the best of moods right now.

But I took a look.

MTD's posting in lylo has been solid, and if scum, has basically earned the win.
shos's posting in lylo hasn't been.

MTD looks worse in the previous game,
But shos has cruised off of his towncred from then.

I think that, boiled down, that's the ultimate argument both of you are making about the other. Shos cruised, MTD was more scum but showed true colors in lylo.

And I'm thinking about it.
Maybe if I thought about it more, I'd doubt things.
So maybe this is a bad idea.
But I really don't see me going anywhere else, given what I've seen.

VOTE: shos.

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Post Post #1007 (isolation #60) » Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:10 am

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In post 1006, shos wrote:MTD are you really town or is it just making sure because game is bastard?
Regardless of who's scum, you already know that they're just making sure.

If you're scum (god I hope so), then you're hoping you didn't just get lynched.
If MTD's scum, then he's hoping you actually got lynched and that no mechanic can cause him to die.
If I were to be scum, then it'd be the same thing for me.
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #61) » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:16 am

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:D
In post 1010, MTD wrote:Well played mastin.
You have NO idea.

Do you know how hard it is to play scum that has to fool not only the town, but ALSO their own scumbuddies?
...In ADDITION to the cops?
...When your arch-frenemy is one of them?

I feel good.
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Post Post #1014 (isolation #62) » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:17 am

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In post 1011, Guyett wrote:@everyone if I townread mastin he's scum and if I scum read him hes town
I warned you about this during a contemporary game to this one, Guyett. If you had listened to the town-me there you scumread, you'd have been fine. :P
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Post Post #1017 (isolation #63) » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:22 am

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Also, the best PMs I sent to Antihero were lost in the rollback, but there's still a fair amount.

In response to being taken in for interrogation:
mastin2 wrote:*grumble, grumble, gripe, gripe*
You realize that AP replacing in has basically condemned me to a guaranteed loss, right? If you gave him PI's role, near-guaranteed win. Him having the cop role? Guaranteed loss. Dammit, I really wanted to be scum with him again.
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Kill: MS Marangal
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I really.
REALLY.
Want to kill GreyICE; he's the mafia traitor. I'm sure of it.
But I'm afraid killing him incriminates me to AP.

I also can't kill, say, shos for the same reasons.

Nor do I want an entirely pro-town nightkill.

So I choose this, as something that serves my scum wincon, is in line with the zMuff kill, and which can plausibly come from a vig.
(For the record--I killed zMuffinman absolutely blindly, without having read a single thing in the thread. I had NO clue he was being scumread. I just knew that I didn't want to give him the chance to nail my ass. :P)
mastin2 wrote:(Also, I find myself playing the role of Light Yagami. Screw this being Paranoia; this game is Death Note. I'm out for myself and myself only. GreyICE just pulled an L-reveal, in that while I now know 100% for surez that he's the traitor, I don't think I can safely kill him, given that killing him would tip the police off about me. And bluntly, I don't for one minute believe that he actually thinks me to be the goon. He's not that stupid. He's lying to me, I'm lying to him, we both know it and yet are both continuing on as a formality anyway. :P)
Or not, apparently, but hey. Rather fight an imagined foe that I see than not fight a real foe that blinded me.
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Post Post #1020 (isolation #64) » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:32 am

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Day One.
(Link to N1 will have to wait for me to get to my laptop.)
Day Two.
D3 interrogation.
Day Three.
D3 minus jon.
N3, the plan.
D4, the execution.

I said it before in Mindreader, I'll say it again here.
There's no player who has a greater mastery of QT manipulation than me. :P
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Post Post #1021 (isolation #65) » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:32 am

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In post 1019, Antihero wrote:my inspiration was this game called "mostly mountainous": http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=15655
Funny thing is, I could tell that instantly, since I knew of that game and had read it.
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Post Post #1022 (isolation #66) » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:36 am

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(Of course, I couldn't exactly SAY I knew that was your inspiration, since it'd be a scumclaim. :P)
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Post Post #1029 (isolation #67) » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:13 am

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In post 1026, GreyICE wrote:Also this role was completely stupid because it was defeated entirely by PrivateI's play. He never posted in the scum QT. Ever.
He did during the night! :twisted:
You can prod people for not posting in the game, but how do you prod them for not posting in the scum QT?
Ask the mod politely in a PM?
I couldn't design a less fun role to play if I tried.
If it makes you feel better, I wasn't exactly appreciative of my role, either. :P

Anyway, I was in here for most of the game, so I do want to give feedback; I'll see what I can do to help in a bit.
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