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Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 1:40 pm

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VOTE: thestatusquo

I don't like keeping the status quo, I'm a rebel!
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Post Post #10 (isolation #1) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 1:41 pm

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PS - I know that won't count, but had to do it...


You made me laugh :lol: ~shos
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Post Post #34 (isolation #2) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:42 pm

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Even if a majority vote for coffee phase, the evening phase does not start until the 3 day mark. Scum have 3 full days, no matter what, to figure out who they want to kill.
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Post Post #47 (isolation #3) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:10 pm

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Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:The optimum scum strategy would be to vote to get some coffee as soon as they've found a mislynch they can pursue. Scums will want to end the day with the least amount of information possible and to do this without being suspected, they will likely be calling to get coffee when they feel they could get a mislynch going. Scums are not going to expect townies to agree that their mislynch of choice is the best lynch for the day.


Even if scum were going to do this, don't you think spelling out "optimum scum strategy" is a bad idea?

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Post Post #118 (isolation #4) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 4:17 pm

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Thestatusquo wrote:
shaddowez wrote:
Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:The optimum scum strategy would be to vote to get some coffee as soon as they've found a mislynch they can pursue. Scums will want to end the day with the least amount of information possible and to do this without being suspected, they will likely be calling to get coffee when they feel they could get a mislynch going. Scums are not going to expect townies to agree that their mislynch of choice is the best lynch for the day.


Even if scum were going to do this, don't you think spelling out "optimum scum strategy" is a bad idea?

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Really don't like this kind of hand-wringing. Reads to me like someone looking for something to attack without actually thinking about the game on a deeper level. Figuring out what scum strategy is most likely to be and then using that to determine who is most aligned with scum strategy in the way they're playing the game is like actual mafia 101.

I also don't really like the well poisoning here. "Even if this were true." is a vague attack on the points SSBF is bringing up without actually attacking them. I'm very suspicious of people who throw aspersions on other players ideas without contributing their own or at least explaining why those ideas are not correct.

Vote: Shaddowez


"Hand-wringing"? It's not like I'm trying to decide if something should or shouldn't be said, I'm outright saying it was a bad idea.
Attack? I asked if he thought it was a bad idea (which he hasn't answered, BTW). Never said I thought he was scum based on it, or did anything that would qualify as an "attack"
Your next line about figuring out their strategy and using it is completely counter-intuitive to the argument you're making against me. I agree that understanding how scum are playing and deciding who is scum based on that makes complete sense, but somebody saying "this is how they should play" undermines that by them now not playing that way.

I never said "Even if this were true", as I never assigned factual truth to what SSB said. I said "Even if scum were to play like this", because I don't know what their plan is.
Not contributing my own ideas - well, if my post was about giving out optimal scum strategy being a bad idea, what ideas am I supposed to give? Sub-optimum scum ideas? It's certainly not going to be more strategy.

Additionally, Sonic does the exact same thing here and you don't say a word about it:
Metal Sonic wrote:Now that your telling everyone the way to catch scum via online timings, scum will try to avoid that. Great work guys.


Konowa wrote:
I asked in my Bluetooth thread, with UT,
about the whole coffee phase thingy so I'm sure he understands the Vote for Coffee thing. Not sure if I agree with SSBF's assessment of UT.


Mind explaining what Bluetooth thread with UT you're talking about? Unless we have neighbors, which I'm disinclined to believe based on the flavor of the game, the only threads I know of are the scum QT, and the pre-game thread that was open to scum only.

Thestatusquo wrote:
Anatole Kuragin wrote:
Thestatusquo wrote:
shaddowez wrote:
Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:The optimum scum strategy would be to vote to get some coffee as soon as they've found a mislynch they can pursue. Scums will want to end the day with the least amount of information possible and to do this without being suspected, they will likely be calling to get coffee when they feel they could get a mislynch going. Scums are not going to expect townies to agree that their mislynch of choice is the best lynch for the day.


Even if scum were going to do this, don't you think spelling out "optimum scum strategy" is a bad idea?

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Really don't like this kind of hand-wringing. Reads to me like someone looking for something to attack without actually thinking about the game on a deeper level. Figuring out what scum strategy is most likely to be and then using that to determine who is most aligned with scum strategy in the way they're playing the game is like actual mafia 101.

I also don't really like the well poisoning here. "Even if this were true." is a vague attack on the points SSBF is bringing up without actually attacking them. I'm very suspicious of people who throw aspersions on other players ideas without contributing their own or at least explaining why those ideas are not correct.

Vote: Shaddowez


I actually agree with Shadowwez - this would have been a more effective tool if super smash had waited until people started voting or discussing it. It's going to be entirely null now. Also, it's pretty common for games to just get mired in directionless inactivity to scum's advantage, so I don't see it as inherently scummy to try and advance the game to push through that. Seems like a silly reason to vote him considering you then bitched about people not making cases yet.

Are you guys really this dumb? In the scenario you describe the "impact" is that town forces scum to play in a way that is not optimal, even though in most cases they can't even get out of the thing that is optimal because they need to play to their win condition.

Oh yeah, we really screwed the pooch on that one. Guess we won't have scum players "want to end the day with the least amount of information possible and to do this without being suspected, they will likely be calling to get coffee when they feel they could get a mislynch going." because they know we're looking for it. Yeah. They probably won't try to go for mislynches now. How could I have been so stupid?

Thestatusquo wrote:Furthermore, that's not why I voted him. You agree with him and I don't want to vote you. That's because I think you're stupid, not scummy. You actually articulated your position on the subject and then engaged with it, instead of being vaguely dismissive of what the person said and then being like OMG THIS IS BAD BOOGYMAN BOOGYMAN BOOGYMAN.

Metal sonic: Eff off.

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:You're being obnoxious and childish for no real reason. The strategy is flawed. I would be surprised if more than you and smash disagreed.

You actually articulated your position on the subject and then engaged with it, instead of being vaguely dismissive of what the person said and then being like OMG THIS IS BAD BOOGYMAN BOOGYMAN BOOGYMAN.


And you dismissed what I said by just calling us idiots.

No. I called you an idiot and then explained why you were an idiot.


Is your only defense against people that disagree with you calling them "dumb" and "idiots"? Real mature there.
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Post Post #119 (isolation #5) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 4:18 pm

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Also, based on the point listed above,

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Post Post #198 (isolation #6) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:55 pm

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I'm actually agreeing with Sonic at this point about LMP. Post (which I know is the same post everyone talking about LMP is using, because it's the only post he's made worth talking about) has a lot of words and quotes, but almost no content. I'm not sure if it's how he usually posts or not, but his text vs. quotes is confusing as all get out (to me at least), making it difficult to follow which quote he's talking about at any given time.

I won't knock him for not responding yet as he's V/LA over the weekend, but not liking him so far.

I'd also love to hear more about what people think about the Konowa/UT neighbors. Considering the theory of this game, and the fact that we're all supposed to be connected all the time, including hearing the scum talk, I'm really going to be surprised if there's neighbors.

Pere
- You mentioned drinking coffee as close to the max time as possible. What do you think of dry-fits idea of agreeing to basically auto-vote whoever has the most hypothetical votes at the time we go into evening phase?

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Post Post #232 (isolation #7) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 12:54 pm

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LimMePls wrote:Explain how post 80 had almost no content. I provided relative reads on every player in the game (something almost no one else has done), as well as highlighted posts that I felt were worth pointing out and probing a couple of people on issues I felt needed addressing. If that isn't content, I don't know what is.


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Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
Thestatusquo wrote:So then why are we voting in the morning phase?
It's to serve as a hypothetical vote count for who we intend to vote for in the Evening Phase (aka the one we find scummiest). Our votes for other people really don't count until we get to the Evening Phase.

That said, I am going to
Vote: Let's get some coffee!
. Scums do have the ability to kill during this phase but they can only kill if the kill is submitted via PM before the Morning Phase ends. Given that voting Let's get some coffee gets us faster into the Evening Phase, this is our chance to prevent a scum kill before we get into the Evening Phase.


Voting for coffee now is BAD. Why do you want a short day?


Here you start throwing suspicion on people, without explaining why you think voting coffee is bad.

SCUMTASTIC way to join the game. LIKE FOR REALZ.


Ditto.


Good posting.


Metal Sonic needs rope.

Not sure what to make of Kurigan/TSQ back and forth.

Thestatusquo wrote:Anyway, shaddow is scum so we can get on with it now.


Sonic read?

Metal Sonic wrote:
Thestatusquo wrote:Metal sonic: Eff off.


Not taking orders from you~~


Actually kinda like this post... This interaction is noted for the future, and moves sonic up a spot from worst of the worst.


With the exception of your one reply to SSB, this was your post with all of the quoted posts taken out. You give absolutely no reasons for any of your reads, and a good portion of them are you agreeing with what other people are saying, not even using your own words.



TOWN

Thestatusquo
Untrod Tripod
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Titus
Anatole Kuragin
PeregrineV
Dry-fit
MattP
Konowa
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shaddowez
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Guyett
SCUM


Between the *** is a more hazy nullish area. Still early in the game.


Again, an almost entirely reads list. Sure, it may be useful to you to know who you think falls in what place, but it does absolutely nothing to help the rest of the town examine reasons. This entire post was literally a wall of words to make it look like you were scumhunting, without doing any work whatsoever.


I also don't know how to make my quoting and then responding less "confusing". It seems pretty straightforward to me. Anytime I'm behind more than a page or so, I read everything I haven't commented on yet, quote the posts that I think need commenting on, and add my thoughts/comments. Then, whenever I do a post like that, at the end I like to put up my town/scum metere, as a sort of "TL;DR".


Your subsequent posts have been better - not sure if it was just you rushing or what, but that specific post had you alternating between talking about the post above your text or the post below your text, and sometimes there were just quotes with no text relative to them at all. To me, it seemed like you were trying to do that on purpose to make it look like you were doing more in that post.

Why are you so concerned about the neighbors? They almost certainly wouldn't fake claim it, and all we could discuss about it is setup speculation. What exactly do you want us to "discuss" about it?


Neighbors don't guarantee town. Why wouldn't they fake claim neighbors? It explains them being able to talk, and can offer plausible deniability if one of them gets lynched.
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Post Post #291 (isolation #8) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:23 pm

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I was having a hard time reading UT because all I was reading was ass, but I've gone back and reread. \

UT decided to drink coffee first thing, which considering it shortens the day and gives less time for discussion is a scummy thing to do. He claims he didn't understand what it did, which reduces my scumread a little bit. However, it also means he didn't pay very close attention to the rules or bother to clarify with the mod, which I always associate with scumlike behavior (My interpretation - not caring about how the game play works is less important to people that don't care very much how the day turns out). Additionally, Konowa later on goes to say that he clarified with the mod in a QT that him and UT are in, making UT's claim that he didn't know how it worked even less credible.

UT makes almost no solid points in his posts, and is very brash and offensive, not appearing to want to work with any of the players.

I'm not reading anything particularly scummy in Lynx, except for his dodging of the explanation for his claim. I'm also not seeing anything that makes him townish, so I'm willing to vote this slot.

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Post Post #346 (isolation #9) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:07 pm

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I have to admit, I haven't been paying that close attention to this game because of how it's been going. I completely agree with these posts from Matt, and not even just directed at the players he's responding to in each post:

MattP wrote:Second, outside of the context of this game, do not curse at me. I don't need to tolerate that. I'm participating in this because it is enoyable, this is a game, I don't get when this forum started gaining such a meta for insulting people. Cut it out, thank you.

MattP wrote:I think your posts are flaily but it's because you are overwhelmed with the level of aggression in the game and did not expect such a negative experience. I think this is EXACTLY why such a hostile game is not only unfun but also counter-productive because it stifles conversation and, separately, fuels mislynches.


I apologize to everyone for not contributing more this game, but felt I needed a break from it so as to not replace out. I know the deadline is in just about a day, but I will read up on the game more tomorrow and post tomorrow night.
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Post Post #434 (isolation #10) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:29 pm

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Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
Thestatusquo wrote:I'm serious. I have no idea what we're doing right now. Is this like normal day? What is drink coffee? Why would we do it? How does it fit with normal day phase? What the hell.
It seems as the Day Phase is a lot different from what I've seen, unless I'm reading the rules incorrectly.

- Currently we're in the Morning Phase, which is a three day period that when it ends, leads to the Evening Phase or otherwise called the Coffee Phase. It's not like a normal phase, we don't lynch anyone during this phase (although hypothetical vote counts for people are provided). Scums have to send in their kill via PM during the morning phase.

- Voting Let's Drink Coffee speeds us up to the Evening Phase, which lasts forty-eight hours and does so if we get a majority of people voting Let's Drink Coffee. This is the time where we lynch someone by reaching a majority much like normal Mafia games.

Hopefully this clarifies things a little.

Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
Thestatusquo wrote:So then why are we voting in the morning phase?
It's to serve as a hypothetical vote count for who we intend to vote for in the Evening Phase (aka the one we find scummiest). Our votes for other people really don't count until we get to the Evening Phase.

That said, I am going to
Vote: Let's get some coffee!
. Scums do have the ability to kill during this phase but they can only kill if the kill is submitted via PM before the Morning Phase ends. Given that voting Let's get some coffee gets us faster into the Evening Phase, this is our chance to prevent a scum kill before we get into the Evening Phase.

Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:Titus and everyone else, I'd suggesting voting Let's Drink Some Coffee as soon as possible. If we can avoid a Night Kill on a townie, that would be really helpful.

Thestatusquo wrote:
Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:Titus and everyone else, I'd suggesting voting Let's Drink Some Coffee as soon as possible. If we can avoid a Night Kill on a townie, that would be really helpful.


Vote:SSBF


That's just never going to happen. 3 day minimum. The only effect would be that WE would only get a very short period of time to discuss and make a lynch happen on day one. Did you not know this and if you didn't why did you try to explain the rules to me when you did not understand them yourself?


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Thestatusquo wrote:
Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:Titus and everyone else, I'd suggesting voting Let's Drink Some Coffee as soon as possible. If we can avoid a Night Kill on a townie, that would be really helpful.


Vote:SSBF


That's just never going to happen. 3 day minimum. The only effect would be that WE would only get a very short period of time to discuss and make a lynch happen on day one. Did you not know this and if you didn't why did you try to explain the rules to me when you did not understand them yourself?
No I did not know this. As a matter of fact, I noticed I misread the Morning Phase part right before shaddowez pointed it out. I ended up confusing the "3 days minimum" part for "3 days maximum" part and thought that the optimal plan was to get everyone to vote Let's Get Some Coffee to avoid a night kill on a townie. Turns out it was a major misreading on my part.


This entire first set of posts revolves around SSBF not understanding the rules, yet still giving advice out about the rules. The part that bothers me about it the most is that he says in his first post that Evening Phase is where you do a normal lynch, and that it lasts 48 hours. Regardless of not understanding how the morning phase works, why would you want to limit town's time to make a lynch decision? It's also easy to say in retrospect that you wanted to limit the time for scum to put in a kill, if scum had indeed already put in a kill request.

Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
- Town should not be pursuing a lynch until the town has come to a conclusion on who is the most likely scum. Town's best ally is information and we need to make sure we aren't cut off from more information that could be helpful towards us winning. To have the best chance of lynching scum, town should not get coffee until they are in agreement on who is the most likely scum.
- One thing we should be extremely careful about is how the day and night phase works. I made a big mistake of confusing how the morning phase works, so all of us (especially myself) need to keep in mind that the Morning Phase is a minimum of three days, not a maximum of three day. The Morning phase lasts for at least three days even if we all vote to get coffee before then and the phase does not end until we vote for coffee. The Evening or the Coffee Phase lasts for forty eight hours which is where a lynch will happen and the Night Phase lasts for forty eight hours.


The beginning of the first point is completely opposite of what he did/said already, and both points are trying to take the heat off the fact that he drank coffee so early.


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2) Untrod Tripod. His vote to get coffee might have been the result of being misguided (as like me, he also was incorrect in regards to how the morning phase work) but unlike others, he didn't question it, he didn't correct me on anything, he didn't even say anything other than a vote to get coffee. These don't give out good vibes. For now, I'll
unvote, Vote: Untrod Tripod
.


Again, he's bringing attention to the fact that he "didn't understand how the morning phase worked". He also gives UT a hard time about not questioning how the phases worked, but SSBF didn't either until TSQ calls him out on it.

Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
LimMePls wrote: So, as a TL;DR, here is how your behavior looked to me:

RVS -> Sees potential to egg on quick coffee -> advocates quick coffee -> gets called out -> immediately supplies the reasons for why drinking coffee early is bad

Given that chain of events, you look like someone who didn't want to initially push for quick coffee, but if discussion even slightly turned toward it, were eager to promote it, and then was worried about how your pushing of it would impact town's read of you. Which is a scum mindset.
I made the RVS vote because I did not have time to post any content as I was leaving to go home for the night from doing homework in the library. My plan was that when I got home, I would propose a quick drink coffee because I was under the assumption that there were three days maximum to this day and that a quick drink coffee would immediately end the day, thus hopefully preventing a night kill. I was not expecting questions to come up in regards to the phases as I thought that others understood the rules based on the fact that quite a few questions were answered pre-game. TSQ posting his questions on how the rules worked surprised me, but I thought it was a good idea to answer since it seemed no one else was willing to do it in depth. When I thought that TSQ had asked all relevant questions he did have about the rules, I immediately proposed it, not recognizing that I myself was misreading how the phases worked.


More of the same.

LynxKuroneko wrote:Gods be damned, please disregard everything UT posted -.-

At the moment, I'm seeing the 'authority' in LMP, meaning they're grabbing this game by the balls and leading it. Of course the goal is to 'appear town' as scum, but its still risky as scum to take that position. The minute I find inconsistency in LMP, she's getting lynched.

Right now, everyone else seems to be fair game.

I'm most happiest with a Metal Sonic or SSBF lynch at the moment, given all the back and forth, and the fact that I see LMP as likelier to be town compared to those two. Will have to reread again, and hopefully rectify the damage UT caused to this role.
Just because you replace in for UT doesn't mean you are absolved of any suspicion towards you. UT occupied the same slot and he was very scummy: which doesn't go away because you come in. Your stance on LMP also wishy-washy; you claim he (not a she) will get lynched as soon as you find inconsistency with him (which in #254 you changed to "LMP is landing on my scum radar if he gets inconsistence") yet also consider him likelier to be town than me or Metal Sonic.


I agree that the read on a slot has to persist with replacements, but there's something to be said for playstyle and personal interactions. Unless there was some sort of conf guilty on the slot, looking at a replacement with confbias off the bat doesn't help either.

Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
LynxKuroneko wrote:SSBF - Your response to #239 states nothing more than what's already common knowledge. Not sure what you were hoping for by
that
.
You're saying that you shouldn't be suspected because of UT's action, but you ignore the fact that you occupy UT's slot, which means that his scummy actions carry on to you. That is something that we are going to factor in when trying to figure out who are the scums. How is that just stating just common knowledge?


You're just repeating yourself again.

And you're the one who
hypothetically
self-voted himself. You have no right to call me powerless when you have expressed willingness to give up the power of your voice and your vote.


You yourself say he
hypothetically
self-voted. He didn't express willingness to give up anything, he was making a point....albeit it was done poorly, but that's still what it was for.

Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
Vote: LynxKuroneko


It's time to lynch scum.


Just not liking this post.

LynxKuroneko wrote:Please kill SSBF.

TSQ, while quite unpleasant, might just be town.

LMP's sudden silence after my words doesn't sit well with me.

Keep an eye on those three, and don't let Metal Sonic slip through, either.

Its only Day 1, and I'm not the best at analyzing people without patterns like VCA to build on, but those guys just give me shivers.

Good luck, town.

p.edit - :mad:


Considering the flip, and my read, I'm willing to look into this.

Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:
Should Lynx flip scum, I really do think MattP is scum partner with UT and will get my vote first thing in Day 2. I don't have time to expand upon this for the rest of the Coffee Phase, so I will be seeing you all D2.

LimMePls wrote:

Happy with MS as well. Not so sure about SSBF now. Could just be bad town. Don't think scum-SSBF would have said that MattP was scum if Lynx flips scum.


To me, SSBF's post seems ingenuine. If he knows Lynx won't flip scum, it gives him a way to look like he's trying to form relationships, without actually having to do so when Lynx flips town.

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Post Post #461 (isolation #11) » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:21 pm

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Matt
- You never answered Anatole's question about whether you wanted to still lynch MS or not. If so, two follow up questions:

  • Why is your vote not on him?
  • What do you think of SSBF, which is where MS' vote currently is?


If not, what changed your mind?
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Post Post #503 (isolation #12) » Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:42 am

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SSBF, you're rebuttal may be even worse than your original post. Busy atm, but I'll try to respond to that later.

In the meantime, I'm reading Pere and LMP as town for right now.
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Post Post #531 (isolation #13) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:55 pm

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Sorry for the absence, life got busier than expected. Will be back Sunday night
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Post Post #548 (isolation #14) » Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:52 am

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LimMePls wrote:
Konowa wrote:I get that, but Pere is always VLA on the weekends so it's sort of null.


Ya, but why say any of that at all? I'm always V/LA on weekends, I've never posed a question to someone on a Friday and qualified it with a "but take your time". I don't see the purpose of that at all. Like I said, made my skin crawl.



I agree with LMP here...it doesn't seem like a tell to me, but there is definitely something off about it.

I don't read Pere's posts in or as showing confbias, and I disagree with Konowa's definition of confbias.

Konowa
- what is your current read of Pere? You've called out a couple of his things, but have also said some of his posts are null tells. Interested in knowing what your actual read on him is.

SSBF hasn't said anything since his "rebuttal" post, so I'm leaving my vote where it is right now. I'm also not liking Guyett, mainly because of his argument regarding whether or not our votes in the coffee stage count.
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Post Post #577 (isolation #15) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:30 pm

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Guyett wrote:can we vote for coffee and then lynch AK now pls


No, but once we are in coffee phase I'm more than happy to vote for you. On D1 you mess up how the morning/coffee phases work, then in admit your mistake, and say that scum benefit from the short day. Then, on D2, you do the same thing in , voting for coffee and saying that there's only 24 hours left in the morning phase, and then make a "whoops" post in . You also push that voting in the morning phase is useless, which considering it's what gives us time to sort out who we think are scum, directly contradicts what you had said about scum benefiting from the short day. You place a naked vote on AK and never give any reads/reasoning whatsoever, and are still trying to hurry us up for coffee and a vote. Not at all town-motivated behavior.

I still don't like SSBF, but with the fact his slot is getting a replacement along with me really not liking your behavior, have a hypothetical vote.

VOTE: Guyett
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Post Post #631 (isolation #16) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:51 am

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Farside, you mentioned being willing to lynch Guyett, but have been focusing solely on Konowa. What sort of case do you have towards Guy?
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Post Post #749 (isolation #17) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:30 pm

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farside22 wrote:
shaddowez wrote:Farside, you mentioned being willing to lynch Guyett, but have been focusing solely on Konowa. What sort of case do you have towards Guy?



Now that I've explain guy scum read, what are your thought on Konowa and what Lynx said about his comments made via QT.


I know this has been talked to death about, but I haven't been around since this question got posed to me and I don't want to just ignore it. In isolation, this looks like bad communication to me, with each of them expecting the other to initiate direct conversation. It doesn't look very good on either of them that neither of them bothered to push the other (one post doesn't count as pushing), but there doesn't seem to be dodging/ignoring/heavy thread content with no QT content. Since Lynx flipped town, I'm of the mindset it was town v town.

Anatole Kuragin wrote:Guyett, ika, Metal Sonic, Titus, LynchMePls, PeregrineV

coffee votes.

Including Pere, who didn't think I was scum. Why would you vote for coffee if you weren't scumreading the top lynch candidate?


So, your answer in is basically saying that you had no good town-motivated reasons to do it, you just decided to do it because you felt like it?

I'm not going to be around much before deadline. I don't like the vote spread, but I'm going to vote my strongest scum read right now.

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Post Post #750 (isolation #18) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:21 pm

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Post Post #793 (isolation #19) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:10 pm

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I really don't like most of the current votes right now. At this point I don't have a strong read either way on Titus, so I'm going to trust the MS/Titus reads for now (and hope that they're not both scum and just completely fooling me).

I really don't understand the Dry-Fit argument either.
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Going through ISO's, ika is my strongest scum read right now, partly due to MattP.

Matt attempts to appear productive by talking about the scum QT, and by adding on to the idea of everyone turning on their online status. He talks about people's posting times lining up with the QT, then says it doesn't mean anything in . UT, LMP, and TSQ are his biggest targets, all of whom have flipped town now. He talks about MS some, votes him in , then doesn't say anything about him again until . He then makes a wifom post in , and then has an argument about the fact that it is indeed wifom. Additionally, there is only 1 comment about Guyett in his ISO, (quoted in )

In short, MattP didn't really add much new into the game, had zero interaction with our 1 scum flip, and was targeting town. Onto Ika:

ika continues to moan about coffee when he first joins the game, but does nothing to progress the game (including drinking coffee). He jumps on the AK wagon with no reason whatsoever, and just trolls about being able to make the vote real. After the coffee phase starts, there are two wagons, AK and Konowa. Farside unvotes and votes Guyett, but she wasn't on the AK hypothetical wagon. ika then votes MS, making a 4th different lynch target after coffee phase started, but he was on the hypothetical AK wagon beforehand. He spouts nonsense for a few posts, hammers Guyett with no mention of him being scum beforehand, and just doesn't seem genuine to me.

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Post Post #816 (isolation #20) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:45 pm

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- I'm not sure what to make of him. He's very....flighty? I've never played with him before, so I don't know if this is a playstyle thing or if it's uncharacteristic, I'll try to look into his meta some when I have time. I don't understand the mason thing with Titus, I don't see anything glaringly town from either of them, but I also don't see anything that makes me think they're definitely scum. I'd probably be willing to compromise vote on MS based on his lack of actual content though.
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Post Post #830 (isolation #21) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:50 pm

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PeregrineV wrote:Would like to hear from each player who voted differently from their original vote during the discussion yesterday. Because unless I'm wrong that's everybody except me. Makes me wonder what the point of the discussion phase is if were not going to use it for discussion, and why Anatole tried to give me so much shit for not letting the 48 hours run out.


You're wrong - you completely skipped posts and where people's votes changed. However, using the discussion phase to actually discuss things is something I'm on board with, and why I'm really not liking ika right now.
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Post Post #847 (isolation #22) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:30 am

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They actually said something about in thread masons, they never actually claimed masons (unless I missed something)
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Post Post #889 (isolation #23) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:46 pm

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:
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Konowa wrote:Why exactly, AK?


It just makes sense to me. You had almost no interaction at all with Guyett aside from saying he could be scum (with me). You also criticized Pere's reasoning, calling it confbias, after he said he didn't like you and Guyett.

You asked for a flash wagon on Titus or Guyett, which could be genuine rather than a bus.

I'd rather lynch MS.


This ^ plus MS could be a mason.

Konowa and guy makes sense as a team to me. He said Guy, titus, and me were scum then was voting PV at the time of the lynch. He had no interaction with Guy except pseudo-defending him. His cases haven't made sense and it seems like he's just being reactive in general.

Why do you think MS could be a Mason? They specifically mentioned being in-thread masons, unless you think they're just throwing that out there to..I don't know why they would do that.

Konowa wrote:I'm sorry if it's not your cup of tea, but I'm trying to figure out if farside is Scum or not because while her train of thought process is a jumbled mess half the time, I'm having a hard time believing what she is saying in regards to dry-fit and think it might be because she is Scum. Or it might be her jumbled mess thought process. I haven't decided yet and am waiting on her to respond. Other than that I said who I was comfortable with lynching awhile ago.


I'm having a similar issue. Farside is deathtunneling, but that's not necessarily a scum tell. I had a scum read on her predecessor though, and I'm not sure her activity lately is helping that.

I'm also thinking about looking into PV as scum, but not sure yet. Need to re-read again.
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Post Post #955 (isolation #24) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:27 pm

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Sorry for needing the prod guys.

Haven't caught up too much, but I should put my vote somewhere. See my ISO for reasons on this vote:

VOTE: Ika
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Post Post #962 (isolation #25) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:49 pm

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