Newbie 1714 (Game Over)

[beeboy]

VOTE: Ranger

Senpai please teach me ;-;

[beeboy]

Actually, here. VOTE: beeboy
Since you're SE: why're you pulling out the 'innocent newb' card?

You caught me, awww shucks!

I thought that if I could convince you all I don't have dozens of mafia games you would treat me as a beginner and could coast to the end game.

[beeboy]

Although your push is based on misunderstanding a joke I made you are probably town aligned and we are only 10 posts into the game!

[beeboy]

Also what's the relationship between beeboy and you? You two seemed to be trying pretty hard to get in the same lobby. Do you know each other irl?

We are lovers irl

[beeboy]

VOTE: Raskolnikov

[beeboy]

1. It isn't an omgus because rask wasn't voting me.
2. I don't like how Rask made his vote lose any form of pressure by saying it was a poke rather then a real read. Not only is that playing it way too safe for me to think it is town it also fails to actually apply any pressure with your vote.

[beeboy]

Where are the rest of the players at?

[beeboy]

Task is still scum and you are still town.

[beeboy]

Sad and Ranger are null because nothing they have done stands out to me.

[beeboy]

Because something stands out to them that I am clearly not seeing. (I literally only have cop out answers as these are null reads of mine)

I also want sickofit to explain his read first as I already know Ranger wouldn't commit herself to something she can't explain even as scum.

[beeboy]

If Ranger brought a really sloppy scum game then oops

[beeboy]

Sorry guys feeling sick will read up later.

[beeboy]

I want to tackle this game when I can actually think critically not when I am in pain in my bed.

[beeboy]

VOTE: vandit

I didn't like the hammer.

[beeboy]

I don't think Ranger was killed for only being the IC she was probably also killed for having correct reads.
There had to have been something there to offset the chance she was targeted by a protective action last night.

[beeboy]

If mafia has 2x goons there is a chance there is a doctor.
If mafia has 1x RB there is a chance there is a doctor.

I believe this info is very public.

[beeboy]

Mafia Roleblocker tried to target them (what else could be the "offset"?).

How did I imply this?

The offset was I don't think they would try and kill Ranger unless they had a reason good enough to offset the risk of her being protected.

[beeboy]

If mafia has 2x goons there is a chance there is a doctor.
If mafia has 1x RB there is a chance there is a doctor.

I believe this info is very public.

Corrected for you: If Mafia has 1x RB there is 100% chance there is a protection role. And why would you mention Ranger being targetted by a protection action out of a blue?

Because that is always a risk the scum team needs to consider regardless of whether or not they have a roleblocker.

[beeboy]

If Ranger was being scumread and had wrong reads I don't understand why she would be killed.
It could indicate that Rask is scum but meh.

[beeboy]

You didn't really answer my question. This brought nothing to the table, except maybe some Information Instead of Analysis right now. And IIRC Ranger wasn't such a strong general townread. Hell, she wasn't even #1 popular townread.

Also, your thesis was that Ranger was killed to silence her and her reads. That's a bold statement and you conveniently didn't mention the part that it's a huge WIFOM. In hopes of trying to make us go after Ranger's reads, perhaps? That would give you a huge towncred since Ranger mentioned you once as your top scumread.

I don't like this argument. If Ranger was either going to burn herself or another townie into the ground why was she killed?
If inevitably the outcome was lynched townies is killing for wifom really worth it?

pedit: Applying the logic Ranger would be fear killed without applying the logic she could be protected purely for being skilled isn't a fair argument.
ppedit: She was being scum read as far as I could see.

[beeboy]

*pokes*

[beeboy]

I am fine talking for 10 days as long as we lynch Vandit in the end of it.

[beeboy]

Fox, I understand your concern towards beeboy knowing too much, but I think you two are getting into nitty gritty details that aren't really necessary.
In fact, if what beeboy is saying is true, it makes a lot of sense: Sad was lynched, so the only person that leaves as scummy to ranger is Vandit. Guess who has been under a great deal of scrutiny lately: vandit.
Second, if you're saying that protecting general townread>protecting IC, that leaves 2 possibilities.
From what I can tell, the 2 general townreads were Rask and I: the only one that scumread ranger by the end of the day was rask, so if rask was scum, that leaves only me. However, if I was general town read mafia would probably have chosen to kill me, but the kill succeeded on ranger, meaning that A) they weren't going for me (and the only 2 people I found not suspicious were you and rask, so I probably pointed fingers at them at some point) and B) they thought ranger was more of a threat than me (which, considering ranger could have easily been a lynch candidate for pushing the VT sad, makes no sense:

unless

ranger's reads were correct).
This means that vandit is extra scummy-looking now.

However, since ranger's out of the picture, beeboy was mostly inactive and sick, and rask was relatively townread (and still appears to be so), there is quite a high chance that this is a newbie scum team. This team could have easily not thought my above idea through (ranger would harder to lynch than some other player, which she really wouldn't have been). In fact, with all the evidence pointing to vandit, all of us pretty much glaring at vandit, and you (as the only one not really doing that) seeming to have read progression noticeable enough for a more experienced player like rask to trust (not dvds or something like that), it's also possible that the scum team is vandit+dvds. The vandit dvd team is extra notable considering that vandit whined about even me being unproductive/inactive, but completely ignored dvds, the MOST INACTIVE ONE (extra scum point for vandit, I just noticed that). If that is so, then vandit was probably making most of the decisions (or perhaps all of them), as dvds seems to be straight up gone. Vandit could have easily gotten irritated at ranger (appeared to be so during the day), plus ranger scumread vandit, so ranger was, to vandit, a very viable choice for a kill.

Now here's the thing: that goes directly against beeboy's theory that there is a roleblocker involved. Beeboy, response?

tl;dr-If beeboy's theory is wrong then a vandit+dvds team is highly likely

^Beeboy idk if you lost this so I'm putting it back up again.

Also fox seems to kinda desperately be putting up evidence for anyone but vandit...and it doesn't seem to be working.

Ok, just making sure, does anyone /not/ have intent on vandit aside from fox?
Specifically looking towards rask and beeboy.

I think even outside the night kills Vandit is scum so it isn't something I am worrying about :\

[beeboy]

Pro tip never speculate who is a PR in the public game thread

[beeboy]

I don't really have a preference when we end the day. I am not one of those people who will usually drag out the game (depends on what kind of mood I am in) but if someone wants to take advantage of the entire day more power to them.

[beeboy]

I personally would have killed Zyf because the Rask + Ranger 1v1 would have been nice to have assuming Rask is town which isn't something I actually believe right now. I still don't like his initial push on Ranger... >_>

[beeboy]

Depends what Vandit claims.
If he claims BP we are lynching him.

[beeboy]

I have had a recent realization that if we stall the hammer to long and let the game die that is anti town.

[beeboy]

Rask + Sick I am guessing.

[beeboy]

Sure let's mass claim.

VT

[beeboy]

Zyf is town.
Mhsmith is probably town as well.

That leaves 2 scum.

Easy game.

[beeboy]

Did Fox never crumb his result >_>

[beeboy]

I am going to be really honest i don't know what I am supposed to say here.
I think mhsmith is really obviously town along with Zyf.

Zyf is closing way too many doors right now to be scum in my books and Mhsmith's analysis is just really towny.

[beeboy]

I was already scum reading Rask as I didn't like his day 1 read on Ranger and nothing he has really done has redeemed himself from that.

The way Sick was posturing around the Vandit wagon also make him scum in my books because he was pretty apathetic about it (although so was I...)

I am sorry I haven't been bringing an A game but this game is really clear from my POV

[beeboy]

I should have pushed Rask day 1.

[beeboy]

Mhsmith felt town to me.....

[beeboy]

Newbie games are really cutthroat honestly >_>
I feel as though regular games are 100x less daunting then most newbie games.