Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[Derek12]

Crabs are the worst seafood

VOTE: crazycrabman

Dwlee sheep me

[Derek12]

VOTE: Dragon

Sure

[Derek12]

I'm in a league game I'm busy

But seriously

VOTE: Creature

Serious vote.

[Derek12]

So is Akigoku your top scumread

[Derek12]

VOTE: Crazycrab sheep

Nobody is voting crab right now.

Do you have any thoughts on the game?

[Derek12]

VOTE: F-oh-ex

Rob pretty much said what I was thinking, we're out of RVS and the shitposting comment seems like an excuse for not posting real content.

[Derek12]

Yeah Eggman's post was pretty bad but at least he has the excuse of it being 36 posts in

[Derek12]

So is Akigoku your top scumread

Not seeing how someone who hadn't made a post at that time (and still hasn't) can be the biggest scumread.

Well, that's pretty much what I meant by that. I made that post in reference to this

Yes Rvs is definitely over but people should be voting who they think is scum.

[Derek12]

I really don't like 123 or the whole shitposting deal from F-oh-ex. I don't understand how reading #32 would really change your thoughts on the later posts unless you barely read them.

[Derek12]

@Creature:

Could you answer this? I'm not seeing it either.

as for f-oh ex, please link these posts you see as scum hunting because post 124 definitely looks like a noise post to me

[Derek12]

Had a long day and I'm pretty tired, I'll catch up and get a post in tomorrow when I wake up.

It's bedtime.

[Derek12]

VOTE: crazycrabman

I'm not liking crazy's ISO right now. I'm excluding his first post since it's just a declaration that he's going to read through he game.

101 - Pretty pointless question to atm.

172 - Sheeping Creature

173 - Townreading Creature.

174 - He calls Smithereen's first two posts scummy. but is reluctant to scum read him for it.

205 + 211 - Like before, calls Eggman's posts "funny" but is reluctant to scumread him. Gives Eggman a pass for not actively scumhunting because he isn't either?

213 + 217 - Calling Creature town again.

Other then his Creature town read, I don't really see any instances of him trying to figure the game out or scum hunt. What little suspicion he's placed on people is also quite non-committal. I want crazycrabman to give us his scumreads.

[Derek12]

I just realized I forgot that ending. Thanks Creature
What I was going to say was, F-oh-ex, Robb, and Dragon were the only ones to respond to my question.

Is there a point to this?

On 188, I wanted to make a post to show I was reading, but I wasn't really sure what to say, so. Uh..

But you weren't reading? Mario answered your question in 188 three hours before you posted it here. What do you think of that post, and do you have any scumreads?

[Derek12]

the fuck are you talking to?

I'm assuming he was confused by this.

I'll catch up later, can't vote

atm

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[Derek12]

For the scumreads, I'm leaning towards Derek (reasons pointed out in 248) and stelo (he was here at some point, why hasn't he shown up?)
I'd put Robb and Smithereens at low null, because of gut feelings. Can't really make a read off of those.

Uhh could you expand on these a bit more? Your scumreads are either sheeping or completly unsubstantiated. Could you also explain why you consider stelo's flaking to be scummy? I'm not seeing how it's alignment indicative.

[Derek12]

OK listen, so I have been inactive lately because I have had alot on my mind and some stuff happened, but listen. I know for a fact creature is town, his posts are very revealing and if he's playing scum, he very good, if not, then he is very good at town too, rooting out the obvious people that have been active, for now, I would like to re-review all the posts and wait a little before voting, because many of us have been active and I am having a hard time deciding who to vote for, my apologies

>I know for a fact
Creature's posts are muddy and his reads are all over the place, often with little explanation. Let me ISO him and get back to you.

Is this still happening?

also i only just understood dwlee's 167. VOTE: smithereens

Weren't you scumreading me more then smithereens? Why put your vote on him instead of me, assuming I'm still your strongest scumread?

[Derek12]

Yeah, I'm reluctant to scum read Smithereen on two posts that he made. Two posts is not enough to judge anyone on.

He's posted more since then, what are your thoughts on the posts?

I think that the "what's your favorite desert question" was definitely on purpose. I don't know what way that points eggman, though.

Ok so, do you have any thoughts on Eggman beyond this? Or any player not named Creature? Your recent posts still have little to no real content.

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As for the VT crumb I don't really see crumbing VT as alignment indicative. It seems kinda pointless as both town and scum, and I could see him doing it as either alignment. I still think crazy is a better wagon, which is why people should join me on it.

[Derek12]

^This. He claiemed he actually closed the tab and his post did't send out.

No, I claimed I was rereading the game and pointing out things I missed before and closed that tab in the middle of writing it. You're deliberately misinterpreting that post.

don't you just love when you're writing a big post then accidentally delete the tab
i'm rereading the game closely
also i only just understood dwlee's 167. VOTE: smithereens

1. You said you "accidentally delete the tab".
2. I refer that you "closed the tab" and didn't send .
3. You correct me that you "closed the tab" and you accuse me of deliberate misintepretation.

WHAT.

Yeah, I'm not going to lie this entire quote makes very little sense. Could you uhh, try to explain it again.

[Derek12]

I don't really know what you're getting at there.

[Derek12]

Are you still making that catch up post

[Derek12]

Ok, so can everyone give me their thoughts on crazycrabman?

His ISO screams first time scum to me.

[Derek12]

atm487:

Do you have any scumreads that aren't Eggman currently?

[Derek12]

Crabman:

In your 401, you said you'd make a chart later today. Well, it's later - did you chart it out?

..........................

I am very open to change but currently:
town {}
townlean {Atm, Creature, Derek, Smithereens}
null {Dwlee, DotW, F-oh-ex, Robnva}
scumlean {Eggman, Mario*, Stelo*}
scum {}

*Due to inactivity

[Derek12]

This is the second time so far you've made a post like this that got answered before you've even made it.

It's hard to tell if you really care about the response if you can't be bothered to see if it's been answered before.

[Derek12]

I see there's four votes on me now. I really can't argue against this wagon because it is concerning the strategy I was testing this game. I can't edit all my posts so hey fit another strategy and just saying "I'm town" won't convince anyone. I could try to justify my reasoning but I already tried that and that didn't work so what else can I do?

What are you even talking about. You can't defend your posts by citing some sort of strategy that none of us have any clue about. This is pretty meaningless to anyone outside of yourself.

I believe that Creature and some lurker is scum. I believe creature is scum because his attitude fits that of scum and his posting style. This is a result of a flawed strategy so take it with a grain of salt. I know you are going to say t re-read the game with a different mindset but anything different besides the one I have used and am using right now would be lying to myself.

scumlean {

Eggman

, Creature,

Robnva

, Mario*, Stelo*}
*Due to inactivity

Did you forget about your other two scumleans? Also what changed between Creature's posting style now and earlygame that caused your scumread? You seemed to like his posting style before.

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Anyways, it's late and I pretty much just skimmed the last couple of pages. I'll go over everything tomorrow.

[Derek12]

No, I didn't forget abut them, I was asked who I thought the scum team was I believe (or that's how I interpreted it), and that's who I think it is.

Are you still scumreading Eggman and Robbnva? If so, please explain your scumread on Robbnva because you haven't really touched on it much from what I can tell.

ffs you're mature af. If you want me to talk to you in the same way I'd talk to a challenged person, that's fine too.

What caused you to stop scum reading Eggman/Creature?
What caused you to move to Crazy?

I might try to explain later, right now I'm too busy feeding in league with mah boi norbert who sets francis on me as support viktor taking all my farm. feelsbadman

It's later.

@DotW:

Are you scumreading anyone but Creature or Eggman right now?

[Derek12]

Surely, if they were an average player I would push him harder, but compared to Newbie 1715, he looks very different.

What if he is an average player and he's just very manipulative?

You said you read parts of Newbie 1715 right? I skimmed it for fun a bit before this game started, and it makes me highly doubt this.

[Derek12]

Huzzah, our second replacement!

Now we only need one for Mario.

[Derek12]

If it were up to me, we would be lynching derek…

I'll vote robb or crab at deadline though cause those are my weaker town reads

Really wanna get more out of mario.

We have around 5 days to deadline, what's stopping you from voting/pressuring me? Apart from mentioning that I'm one of your top scumreads a couple of times, you haven't really done anything with it.

[Derek12]

What do you make of crabman changing his meta so dramatically from the other game that a lot of the same players were in? What's your read on dragon?

I'm pretty sure I went over the first one before? I think the meta change is better explained as being newb scum who's either having a hard time faking scum reads, or isn't confident enough in his play to do so. While he'd obviously want to imitate his town game as scum, that's easier said then done especially when you're new. Also, I'm pretty sure someone brought it up before, but crab's reads were pretty accurate in his first game. I don't see much of a reason for someone to start using a new strategy randomly, especially when his old one seemed to have worked perfectly fine.

As for Dragon, hard to say. I thought his posting early on wasn't the best mostly due to gut. His recent posts seem to have got a lot better though? Honestly at some point before/around when you replaced in, there was suddenly a lot of pages that seemed to me to be filled with a lot of theory. Posts like that bore me to tears, and I've never felt them to be particularly AI. Thanks to this, I've been disengaged from the game to an extent over the past few days. I don't really have a strong read on DoTW because a bulk of his posts have been in that time frame. If there's anything in particular that you want me to go over in his ISO I can take a stab at it.

I just have too many town reads -_-

From scummiest to towniest, it goes something like this:
Derek, Mario, petroleum, dragon, crab, atm, robb, dwlee, eggman, f-oh-ex, smith, creature

Is there a point here where your nullreads/townreads start? I know you find Mario and I scummy, but it's hard to tell where people out of the extremes land if there's no scale.

[Derek12]

Fairly confident Robb is town now.

[Derek12]

I don't think this was a slip tbh.

I'm pretty sure a big part of Robb's argument is that having a weak town lean on what you consider the third scummiest player isn't a good thing.

[Derek12]

I agree with a lot of 1016, but I don't feel as strongly about it as he does. Lynch pool argument is fine, and I largely agree with it. The argument on your town lean on petroleum less so. Having that many town reads seems more play style based then anything,

[Derek12]

^ These are the ones I am going to re-ISO

Which set? The ones you crossed out?

[Derek12]

Dwlee99 having a bad scumgame makes me feel safer.

What.

I'm pretty sure Dwlee's scumgame isn't bad

[Derek12]

I doubt it, his frustration for being called dumb seemed genuine

I'm not sure how this is alignment indicative? It's not as if being called dumb is suddenly less annoying if you're scum.

[Derek12]

Yeah Eggman's post was pretty bad but at least he has the excuse of it being 36 posts in

Yes, my post was so garbage because I RLed a lurker in my first post of the game while you were all shitposting for 4 pages. *claps slowly*

He was mad before Dwlee made that comment.

[Derek12]

Why are you assuming that scum would have to fake that emotion?

[Derek12]

As this

Yeah but dwlee said something about him being either dumb or scum, so it probably wouldn't upset scum

Doesn't apply to the earlier posts.

[Derek12]

I'm here now. I'd prefer crab lynch, but I wouldn't really have a problem with going Mario instead if needed. Since we seem to be getting an extension, I'll likely be online around deadline to swap if needed.

[Derek12]

If F-oh-ex is scum, it'd make DotW look pretty town.

Scum team: F-oh-ex/atm487/petroleumjelly

SK: DrippingGoofball (not posting anything? scum)

What's your case on petroleum? I'm pretty sure you were townreading him D1.

[Derek12]

If F-oh-ex is scum, it'd make DotW look pretty town.

Could you explain this quickly?

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I really want to ISO DoTW, Eggman, and Fo-Oh-Ex. I'll get on that tomorrow.

[Derek12]

@DoTW

: What are you current thoughts on MM4 and Eggman?

[Derek12]

Look who's been paying attention...
Derek, are your ISOs coming along?

I'm null on DoTW now. I'm having a really hard time getting a good read on him currently. I kinda feel like he's going to flip opposite to infinity.

Eggman is town. Didn't really like his early posts, but they feel better for me recently. I don't really agree with some of it, but they seem genuine.

I got too lazy to ISO you and mostly just skimmed it. I'm townreading your posts today though, especially 1347. I'm wondering if you still think MM4/Creature aren't a duo, and if so why?

[Derek12]

@Creature:

I still want these answered.

If F-oh-ex is scum, it'd make DotW look pretty town.

Scum team: F-oh-ex/atm487/petroleumjelly

SK: DrippingGoofball (not posting anything? scum)

What's your case on petroleum? I'm pretty sure you were townreading him D1.

If F-oh-ex is scum, it'd make DotW look pretty town.

Could you explain this quickly?

[Derek12]

I'm guessing Creature just doesn't feel like answering my questions.

Good to know.

[Derek12]

@Creature:

Try #3. Wish me luck guys.

@Creature:

I still want these answered.

If F-oh-ex is scum, it'd make DotW look pretty town.

Scum team: F-oh-ex/atm487/petroleumjelly

SK: DrippingGoofball (not posting anything? scum)

What's your case on petroleum? I'm pretty sure you were townreading him D1.

If F-oh-ex is scum, it'd make DotW look pretty town.

Could you explain this quickly?

[Derek12]

It feels like Creature is just throwing out scum reads randomly to see what sticks. He's called a majority of the player base scum at some point during this day, but the scum reads are never really explained at all and seem to disappear at random.

[Derek12]

Creature: I don't remember the exact reason for it, but we could try revisiting this lynch from D1?

Are you scumreading Creature? This isn't very clear.

[Derek12]

@Eggman

Intent to Hammer: MM4

If he's town, that would reluctantly make me townread Smithereens, who I've had suspicion on all game. If not, hooray.

Do you still agree with this? Also, I don't really get it in the first place. Looking at it now, you seem to have more points against Smithereens then just MM4's defense of him. Why did you believe that MM4 flipping town = town Smithereens?

[Derek12]

@DoTW:

What do you feel about Creature's play today, and more specifically his thoughts on you?

[Derek12]

@Infinity:

From scummiest to towniest, it goes something like this:
Derek, Mario, petroleum, dragon, crab, atm, robb, dwlee, eggman, f-oh-ex, smith, creature

Could you make an updated version of this.

[Derek12]

VOTE: Creature

[Derek12]

This isn't enough for me to force a wagon on him at the moment but I'm very likely to be open to a creature wagon if anything else develops on him during this day.

Frankly, I think it's weird you care about him tunneling creature at this point. If he thinks he hit scum then I'm fine with him sticking to it and I'm willing to say creature could be scum. If this lynch goes through and creature flips scum, I want infinity lynched next. If we can't get enough for a creature wagon then I think we should lynch infinity. VOTE: Creature

Why was my naked vote enough for you to decide to go on Creature? Creature didn't post between these two statements and my reasoning for the Creature wagon was stated beforehand.

Derek, why the blank vote on Creature?

I was scumreading him and we're getting closer to deadline.

DGB: in addition to Smithereens' moves, that healthy dose of what I can hopefully presume is sarcasm doesn't help my opinion of her.

What are your thoughts on DBG independant of your Smithereen read?

[Derek12]

6.)

Somebody sell me on the Creature case. I have a Townlean on him. Why is he scum? I do not find the "lying" about the Eggman crumb persuasive in the slightest. I do not think his Day One hunting by "process of elimination" is scummy. I assume there is more meat on the bone?

His reads today are erratic and poorly explained. Coupled with him ignoring my questions multiple times when I attempted to get him to expand on his thoughts, I feel like he's more trying to throw out random shit to see what sticks then actually trying to game solve.

[Derek12]

F-oh-ex, do you have a scumread on petroleum?

In my most recent read list I put him as scumlean. I'll ISO him and get back to you with it. I will have ISOed a few people by Sunday.

Did you end up doing this?

[Derek12]

This is not a common scum strategy, so I'm not really sure why you think this is scummy. Why not town with poorly organized thoughts?

Whenever someone says "so and so is throwing out shit to see what sticks" they end up being town.

I still don't like how his play has been this day compared to the first, and how he's fucked off and stopped posting anything of substance a while back today.

I could be wrong though, my read is probably tainted by me being irritated at him.

[Derek12]

:^)

[Derek12]

@Eggman

What are your thoughts on NJAC/DBG? I mean them specifically, not their predecessors.

[Derek12]

@NJAC

Are you still catching up?

[Derek12]

Yeah this is pretty stupid. I'd prefer it if NJAC came back and dumped his thoughts on the game before we lynch him, but I wouldn't wait too long for it.

I'll hammer if this goes on for another day or so, this is incredibly boring and I don't care much for the slot anyways.

[Derek12]

@Eggman

What are your thoughts on NJAC/DBG? I mean them specifically, not their predecessors.

i will come back to this question tomorrow, but for now i'll just say that i feel like dgb hasn't been playing the game completely seriously

Please respond

[Derek12]

If Shiro flips scum, I could see Eggman being scum with them.

[Derek12]

Intent to Hammer NJAC

We only have around 24 hours left. I'll hammer sometime tonight before I go to sleep.

[Derek12]

If Shiro flips scum, I could see Eggman being scum with them.

And why would that be ?

I'll answer this when I'm doing the above. Short form though, I don't really like how he's treated your slot but it's more of a hunch then anything.

[Derek12]

I don't like that sudden read swap very much,

as I'd expect someone's scumreads to stay consistent.

How the fuck are you townreading Creature's slot

[Derek12]

VOTE: NJAC

I don't see a Shiro lynch going through now, especially with how inactive we are as a whole.

We're lynching Shiro tomorrow if NJAC flips town.

[Derek12]

Going to be busy until tomorrow, I'll read up and post then.

[Derek12]

Didn't you vote DBG thinking she was an SK? What PT would she be in with Dragon

[Derek12]

well too bad tones don't come through over typing. I'm honestly pissed. I really wanted a push on a particular player today that wasn't DGB and instead he gets quicklynched without many associatives made at all today

This better be expanded on soon, whether today or tomorrow. You had around 3 days to do this, you can't really complain. You also posted at day start so you could've easily just started pushing them then.

[Derek12]

@F-oh-ex: if anything, SK is now explicitly deconfirmed. There was only one NK in play because we lynched the other one yesterday. SKs are always compulsive, no? So I believe it's 3v2. So this is LYLO.

Are you still proposing that mafia decided to shoot themselves during the night? Unless DGB lied, there needs to be another source of kills for night 2 to make sense.

[Derek12]

Eggman works in mysterious ways.

[Derek12]

Since this is LYLO, let's all massclaim in order of the Player List. Dragon, you go first.


(Actually, my gambit pretty heavily depends on my being online, so: UNVOTE: Derek. I place

Intent to Revote

after I wake up. Hooray for not thinking things through!)

If you're right about the 3v2, you know this loses us the game if you're wrong? Scum have daychat. I can't really tell if you're serious about it or not.

[Derek12]

I'll redo some ISOs, starting with Titus and Derek - they're the quickest ones to do.

You should probably do this sooner rather then later considering the gamestate.

[Derek12]

I'm guessing F-Oh-Ex for scum then Titus as last anti-town by PoE.

I'll post my full ISO of Derek later. From my POV, however, it's very likely he's scum and seeing how we're at LyLo, I would like his claim. And I would like it now. If I don't see a claim in the next post Derek makes, I'm automatically lynching him.

While a cute threat, you're not a triplevoter.

[Derek12]

I don't like the way Infinity treated F-Oh-Ex.

Whenever he mentions F-Oh-Ex, it usually just boiled down to Infinity calling him town for extremely vague or weird reasons, an example being from 1126 to 1139. Despite the lasting townread, there sure wasn't much substance behind it.

[Derek12]

One-Shot BP

[Derek12]

The reads go as following:
Strong townreads - Robbnva, Smithereens
Townreads - Dwlee (I want to be careful here, however, because he seems to be a very good player and I wouldn't like to underestimate his manipulation abilities as Mafia), Dragon, atm (possible subject to policy earlier)
Null reads - MM4, stelo, Akigoku (aka lurk squad), Derek12 (just noticed I don't really have a read on him. Will ISO)
Scumreads [in that order] - Creature, Eggman, crazycrab (mutually exclusive to be scum with Creature)

UNVOTE: Eggman
VOTE: Creature

Still no Derek ISO, even when he said he would a while back.

This isn't where he promised to ISO Titus and I recently, that's from here:

Interesting (although probably irrelevant fact): everyone alive was either on Shiro wagon (DotW and I) or NJAC wagon (the rest).

Egg is Town.
DGB's claim would have to be some kind of sick weird gambit if he's not Town. And I did townread Smithereens.
DotW is also pretty Townish in my eyes.
Titus is a townlean from skimming her ISO. Her previous slot, atm, was completely NAI.

Derek12, I really didn't like his Day 2 play, especially that hammer. Was it necessary to push the game forward and it was the only wagon happening? My townlean here is nullified. Slight FoS until I ISO you meticulously.
Shiro - your slot reeked of scum so much that I'd be inclined to think you're Jester if this was still a thing. I wish I had gathered some info about you but so far, you're scum to me.

I'll redo some ISOs, starting with Titus and Derek - they're the quickest ones to do.

That splits my current read list in 4-2. General consensus seemed to be that the setup is either 10v3 or 9v3v1. It seems that presence of SK is confirmed now. So unless it's actually 9v2v1, I'm one scumread short... time to verify my Townreads then.

It's been a solid two weeks and he hasn't bothered doing that ISO. Also considering that he "really didnt like" my Day 2 play, I'm surprised he never bothered to actually bring it up during the day itself.

[Derek12]

I'm wondering if F-Oh-Ex is going to end up actually posting his case/ISO on me or if he's just going to stall for another couple of days so he won't need to.

Because at this point nobody on my wagon has bothered to make a case or do anything beyond just calling me scum, and it seems to be working.