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[Cheetory6]

Hmmm...

VOTE: Cheetory

That's good enough for now

!!?!?!?!!!!
!!
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!?!?!
!?!?!?!?!?!

vote: WACO

[Cheetory6]

That's a lie. Town faction is already shown to be called "The Good Guys". Death comes swiftly to those who lie!

Gotem.

[Cheetory6]

prod dodge

Foreshadowing?

[Cheetory6]

Unfortunately now you have no chance of doing that.

Way to go Luna.

[Cheetory6]

Look at all these relics.
Hahahahahaha.

[Cheetory6]

Hello.

[Cheetory6]

The best.

[Cheetory6]

Anyways, I feel like we're getting off-topics.
Lets get back to doing some serious scumhunting.

I think I'm gonna go check in with snarkysnowman again he seemed like he was up to some interesting things on page one.

[Cheetory6]

Yo. Town here.

VOTE: Imperium

Time to go hydra-hunting.

ohohoh heheheh ahahaha ohoh ehehe
I feel so bad for how hard you're trying to be productive in this game.

[Cheetory6]

Vote: Grib

Chugga chugga.

[Cheetory6]

I only hate this site's RVS, really.

#notallrvs

RVS is probably the funnest part about mafia.
The actual game itself is pretty bad.
I'm sorry you had to find out this way.

[Cheetory6]

:v

Because I'm a hypocrite.

Is this the best you've got for this?

[Cheetory6]

The funny part is that you're not really being a tryhard.
You're clinging to RVS being awful all while there's serious conversations happening around you that aren't worth your attention because you're not here until page 10.
Which really just makes this all look rather showy, doesn't it?

[Cheetory6]

I'm still not going to look at them until later simply because I feel like it.

K.
Why hide behind RVS being the reason for that then?

:v

Because I'm a hypocrite.

Is this the best you've got for this?

Is there anything I could say to satisfy you?

You could explain yourself more clearly. Your thought process. Something.

[sigh]

Again, I was being facetious.

If you're going to be sarcastic, you should probably own it harder instead of walking it back as soon as someone gets confused by it.

[Cheetory6]

so I'm going with whatever sticks.

Why is it such a big deal for you to find something that sticks on page four?

It's my version of having fun.

I don't understand anything you've done so far this game then.

Call me Keyen

Ok.

[Cheetory6]

Don't be sorry.
Unless you're a top secret alt pretending to be new.
Then you should be sorry.

[Cheetory6]

why is that scummy?

This is awfully defensive probably antihero.
Goodness gracious me oh my.

[Cheetory6]

I’m inclined to read Snarky as scum for 64 especially after all the commentary on how he’s not going to do anything.

Wouldn't you draw the opposite conclusion from that?
He was literally just given permission to lurk and decided not to.
What's the incentive to try and post more when you've been classified as a lurker and can get away with it?

[Cheetory6]

Nah, you're fine.
This place has just done shit to me, man.
Don't take it personally </3

[Cheetory6]

So why is DS probably town after 3 posts?

Because 28 felt towny.

-Luna

Talk at me about how you read post #28 when you first read it please and thank you.

[Cheetory6]

Well sorry for what I acted. It's really like I fail to see ms people being friendly. Has everybody talked?

Some people have a sense of humour that can come across as rude.
I wouldn't take it personally.
People can be nice here.
Mafia is just maybe not the best place to look for polite and quaint conversation.

[Cheetory6]

Do you think lurking would get him through the game as scum? Nope. It never does. At some point he would be up for noose (if not Vigged / whatever prior to that point) for non-performance if associations are bad enough.

I think I'm pretty proficient at reading Snarky. At least as proficient as you can get with someone who plays as he plays. So far this is not Town Snarky in my mind.

Nah. I don't necessarily find it particularly compelling to think that he would necessarily be posting more to try and avoid being labeled as a lurker by people if he were scum.
I feel like there are a bunch of more likely possibilities.

What would you say your track record is percentage wise with reading him?

[Cheetory6]

It seems pretty apparent to me that DS was joking around in the post he voted for Grib?

[Cheetory6]

Shrug.
I haven't forgotten fortnight though.

[Cheetory6]

Well, firstly, your entire post about snarky was you just taking every point he made and asking why it was scummy.
In particular you being nitpicky about him asking you guys about why you were townreading luna felt pretty wonky. The way you were framing it was like "snarky is trying to make us look bad" when to me it seemed pretty plausible that he could just be trying to parse you? because him wanting to press on something that doesn't make sense to him seems like something pretty standard?

Also, IIRC you couldn't read snarky in fortnight and that read was based largely on his tone. If you're being serious about scumreading Snarky here, I would question why?

[Cheetory6]

Why you were townreading DS* gah. Workposts are hard.

[Cheetory6]

I'll probably vote Fox if they keep playing at this level.

[Cheetory6]

So it's shocking to you that snarky would find other aspects of your play sketchy and was poking at the strongest stance you'd taken to that point?
Wow almost like people ask questions about details that might not lead to anything because holy canoli who would ever try to poke at things to see if there's maybe something there that doesn't fit.

It was a fucking bad reason for you to be throwing pushback at Snarky.
And it's even worse that you're throwing shit at me because I'm pointing out that it was needlessly overdefensive when earlygame is literally everyone in the world trying to pick at things that might not lead anywhere.

[Cheetory6]

I might be being slightly scattered because I'm fucking exhausted today, but if I get home and you look as terrible then as you do now I'm gonna rip your ISO in half.

[Cheetory6]

Okay, why is it weird to poke at something that doesn't necessarily make sense to him?

[Cheetory6]

Why? He literally asked Luna to explain a townread. That's the entire gist of this so-called attack. I'm literally fucking baffled that you're implying that it isn't really plausibly just standard poking.

[Cheetory6]

I'm going to stop posting for now.

I'm not in a position to organize my thoughts properly.

I'm telling you right now.
From this shit you're giving me.
From where I stand, you're being fucking outrageous.

And if I come back and I feel the same way after sitting down and absorbing all of this. I'm going to make you feel really.
really.
really fucking bad about it.

K?
Cool.

Cya.

[Cheetory6]

From where I stand, you're playing semantics gymnastics and shitting all over me for finding it stupid as hell.
Now can you please leave me alone so I can calm down, finish work and then go home and figure out if I'm being stupid or not?
K?
THanks.
Kindly.

[Cheetory6]

Spoiler: Things

i see you quoting stuff and facepalming and going SCUMZORZ which is... cute and all but that still didnt give me a good idea of where youre heads at
yeah

I didn't fully digest this point first time reading this post.
I think I just saw the wall of "why this scummy why this scummy why this scummy" and felt like Anti was being nitpicky to a degree that was unfair.
And honestly I still feel like him pointing at Snarky questioning a townlean that early is silly [I just feel like that's something I would consider poking at if I wanted to get a read on someone].

But then to an extent I also feel like I'm being silly because I'm not exactly townreading Snarky, my wariness of anti was meh and I can see him being frustrated by me being obstructive just because I didn't necessarily agree with what he was doing or maybe even understand it?
I feel like I need to rehaul the entire way I play mafia because I've been sticking with this MO for a while and it's literally just not working.
Gonna try to keep this short.
Just.
I don't like where my standard of play is at right now and I feel like it's more distracting than useful in most games as of late.

[Cheetory6]

Probably.
I don't really think scum-you gets into that argument with me in the first place so really my lame kneejerk reaction to it is probably moot and not important anyways.

[Cheetory6]

Semantics or you just aren't in good control over what you say?

I don't understand this question.

[Cheetory6]

Which in my head is throwing off red flags because why as early as Day 1 do we need to have anyone make any claims to even begin discussion on who is scummy or not.

So, your thoughts are that DS is scum trying to seem like he's doing something while not scumhunting?

Especially after getting on to Grib for not wanting to RVS and then claiming to be Facetous after people start to get onto him.

Does DS not come across as sarcastic in that post to you? The vote is immediately followed up with this:

Trust me. This is a 100% solid fact. I would never lie to you. Mostly because I'm town, but also because lying should be done as sparingly as possible.

Does this read as something that he needs to backtrack on?

Grib, from what I've read so far just seems to be defending himself from DS' attacks onto him for not wanting to RVS.

How are you reading him from this conclusion.

[Cheetory6]

Objection. The prosecution is leading the witness.

[Cheetory6]

I'll follow the context a little closer during my lunch break.
TBH I'm pretty skeptical of looking for partner connections on D1.

[Cheetory6]

Is that not what chainsaw defense is? Defending a partner by attacking their attacker?

[Cheetory6]

I still don't understand what you're trying to say to me :/ in the post you quoted or in this last post :/

[Cheetory6]

Oh! Okay I get the WKing comment now Kuroi. Not so much on the first quote still though q.q
The distinction in my mind was that chainsaw defending is you defending a scummate and WKing is defending a townie?
I don't really know if I care to have this conversation though. Mafia theory is zzzz.

[Cheetory6]

DS why are you voting for Ceph over kdown if you think it's obviously chainsaw?

[Cheetory6]

Ceph is pretty rad.

[Cheetory6]

Vote: Snarky

[Cheetory6]

you were just defending snarky one day ago

Yup.

Does it make you upset that I think Grib is town now too?

[Cheetory6]

Hi hip.

Have you played with DS before?

[Cheetory6]

Can you hit me in the face like I'm an idiot with why you think DS is scum?

[Cheetory6]

Bonus points if you tell me what makes this different from his towngame.

[Cheetory6]

Hot takes:

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Fox
Grib
Ceph
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farside
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hiplop
keyen

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MOI
camn
imp
kdowns
mick
dekes

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DS
MedJunk
Waco
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Snarky
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[Cheetory6]

hi Grib.
Hiplop can react strongly to pressure as both town and scum.

Hiplop, I think Grib is me from Third Fortnight.
I think I literally remember saying this:

Help me read hiplop. I think directly interacting with him is going to fuel any potential conf-biasing.

[Cheetory6]

Except why snowman? I could be sold there

Probably won't be talking about it for a bit.
Want to let some things play out first.

[Cheetory6]

So why are you townreading him then?

Little bit of gut, little bit of wishful thinking.
Nothing I can really extend forward to you to convince you off your vote, but I will say that I think the pressure on hip probably isn't going to make him easier to read.

[Cheetory6]

Vote: Junkies

Shall we?
Instead of interrogating probably town Grib? :/

[Cheetory6]

I would lynch you before hip or Ceph.

D:

[Cheetory6]

I can overexplain myself.
Or you can trust that I saw 1-2 interactions that seemed more like town frustration than scum frustration.

[Cheetory6]

Right.
Is your intention just to be as unpleasant as possible this game DS?
Because that's the vibe I'm getting.

[Cheetory6]

Like, the number of interactions you've had this game that are just you stirring the pot is really annoying.
You should probably stop.
Please.

[Cheetory6]

Are you seriously beating the NO LURKERS drum when there's still 11 days left and prods haven't even gone out? Do you have anything to say about the things that active people are doing?

And the hippy-push.

[Cheetory6]

I didn't change votes because I started townreading you.

[Cheetory6]

Did you have to sleep off the guilt, scum?

[Cheetory6]

yawn.

[Cheetory6]

Sort the people here.
It's still early D1.
Complaining about people not posting for a day is the most useless noise you could be making in the thread and pads the pagecount and makes it harder for people to catch up thereby exacerbating the very problem you're complaining about.
NU claiming is also not a particularly productive topic of conversation.

You know what is productive?
Wagons.
Lets get one going.

[Cheetory6]

Wagons are protown, especially on D1.
All this sitting around twiddling our thumbs talking about people claiming or lurkers lurking is boring and low content.

[Cheetory6]

Vote: Snarky

[Cheetory6]

I like SS.

but why.
D:

[Cheetory6]

Hi camntsuki.
Do you have any thoughts on SS/junkies so far?

I'm giving ss time, call it gut feeling.

Coming back to this later once I have some more free time tonight and want to be held accountable for it.

[Cheetory6]

Nah, I just want to poke you about it later.
And the poke won't be as simple as "hey explain urself".

That's... Awful. I mean, I haven't seen an argument that bad for ages. Although I suppose if I'm going to be lynched for being proactive, fuck it. I wouldn't want to be with you guys in this game anyways.

You need to start making contributions to this game in the form of scumhunting [and not complaining about people being stupid/setup related things] sometime soon.
Ie: why are hiplop/Ceph scum besides just you not liking how they've been playing.

[Cheetory6]

Like, you're asking for all of this space to figure things out because you're going to apparently solve the game if we let you have it.
What's the timeline for this?
A few IRL days?
Game cycle days?

You were complaining about not having time to go into detail on a read earlier, but you've made multiple posts since then.
Why do you have time to post in the game about other stuff but not time to go into detail on a read?

[Cheetory6]

Sorry again for snarking you Anti/not giving my best effort to parsing things.
I was having a rough week.

[Cheetory6]

EBWOP == Edit by way of post.

I doubt that I would vote for Ceph today. Would be naive for me to say that my read on him is sturdy [and honestly the snark is something that I've seen from scumhim so] but he at least doesn't seem forced.
Someone said that this was relatively standard play for kdowns and I'm somewhat willing to eat that for now.

[Cheetory6]

What interactions between the two of them make you think scumbuddies? :/

[Cheetory6]

How often do you see scum do something like that to a scummate?

[Cheetory6]

Heh?

[Cheetory6]

I mean.
If I have a friend in a game that I think is playing on the level based on how I expect them to play and I feel people are wagoning them for unfair reasons, I would defend them?
I've done that a lot with Aristophanes.

[Cheetory6]

i) Work is a lot harder to balance with mafia than school in my experience.
ii) If kdowns was still lurking by like.. end of day, then I would understand the sentiment you have towards him, but this early in the phase when he's made it pretty clear he's busy just makes this seem a little unreasonable and goes back to what Anti's trying to get at.
iii) I'm pretty sure there's been times where I haven't elaborated on things in the same situation but now we're getting into a weird conversation that's not really about the game anymore >.>. Basically I don't really think that it's scummy that Ceph doesn't give reasoning/overexplain himself there? I can maybe look to see if Ceph's activity this game has been opportunistic when I'm back from lunch, but as far as I can recall his engagement has seemed pretty reasonable/organic?

Cheet, Scum slip? maybe?

I don't really understand how it would be a slip in that context.. a slip implies that it's like an accidental reveal of something where this would have to be a very intentional move by Ceph?

P-Edit: I mean, that's defending him to some extent at least though >.>

[Cheetory6]

Hey guys, I'm reading this and I'll answer the questions for me tomorrow. I just got home from work and my internet router died. And I can't really stand phone posting. Just giving a mini update.

V/la until the 18th

Will be bringing my laptop to work and hopefully be able to make a big post.

Him not doing much given these circumstances is pretty understandable. Lol.

[Cheetory6]

I'd personally say it's worse to ignore someone saying that you're scum and that they have a 100% rate of reading you correctly.
But I mean.

[Cheetory6]

I'm clearly like 10 pages behind atm or so, so

How bout you catch up instead of dropping one-liners bb.

[Cheetory6]

MOI said that about Snarky.
Which isn't really all that special.
What is special is that Snarky then proceeded to coast on a few silly one-liners and one-off questions while claiming to be only ten pages behind.
Meaning he had to have read either MOI's multiple posts indicating his read/record on reading him, my responses to him bringing it up or he's lying about actually reading up that far.
I don't particularly think any of those three options feel particularly town.

[Cheetory6]

If you're town, you're doing yourself and the rest of us a disservice by pretending to have be only slightly behind in your catch-up when you're clearly skipping things.
If you're scum keep on keeping on.

[Cheetory6]

Why am I scum other than for doing the same low hanging fruit thing I do every game?

Is it because I'm starting to comment on things?

Yeah that's what I said.

[Cheetory6]

Choo choooooooo.
Pile on board.
Lets get a claimmmmm.

[Cheetory6]

Hi hiplop.
How did snarky play in firebringer's game?
Thought farside was also in that game and was going to ask her but apparently was wrong about that.
Wanted to look at it tonight but I'm officially engrossed in Civ now.

[Cheetory6]

Am I not allowed to lynch him because he's being terrible if he is town?

[Cheetory6]

Well.
He's pretending that he's catching up.
That's a thing.
And he called me scum when I pointed this out instead of being like "lol yeah sorry I skipped things".

[Cheetory6]

.. so are you townreading him then?
:/

[Cheetory6]

Consider this.
Would it not feel good to drive an action packed D1 wagon of glory together we me in which we can both yell "Hippy ki-yay mother fucker"?

[Cheetory6]

Reading machina and seeing him promising a wall and then giving nothing substantial.
Eh.

Also remembering him completely fucking up his claim in Star Wars.
Zzzzz.

P-Edit: Ahh the three games thing?
Context was kind of removed so it looked stand-alone.

[Cheetory6]

claimclaimclaimclaim

[Cheetory6]

Probably not.
I still want a claim.
And I also have no idea what a DGB is and if you're implying it's a quickhammer then you haven't seen shit in terms of quickhammerers.

[Cheetory6]

Cheetory, not sure in what universe it wasn't implied heavily I skipped a lot of stuff.

Why the fuck even bother saying you're only ten pages behind if you've missed huge parts of things in the stuff before the last ten pages? That's not being ten pages behind. That's "I've skimmed like.. maybe the last page or two the three times I've been here lol sorry guys I'm not actually playing the game".
Do you know how absolutely terrible it looks to me that you're waddling back in here pretending to be semi-caught up [looking like you're entirely full of shit on that] and then calling me scum instead of engaging me on it?

[Cheetory6]

Yeah if you say that one more time I'm going to deathtunnel you. I said you were giving the false impression that you were catching up/almost caught up when you weren't which is clearly a complete load of shit. You're low content. Being dishonest and slimy. And engaging me on a shitty simplified surface level and it's pissing me off.

[Cheetory6]

Hi mala.
You've got MOI summing up why he thinks Snarky is scum on this page and I've summarized why I think Snarky is scummy best here:

MOI said that about Snarky.
Which isn't really all that special.
What is special is that Snarky then proceeded to coast on a few silly one-liners and one-off questions while claiming to be only ten pages behind.
Meaning he had to have read either MOI's multiple posts indicating his read/record on reading him, my responses to him bringing it up or he's lying about actually reading up that far.
I don't particularly think any of those three options feel particularly town.

Could someone explain the Snarky wagon?

Is that sufficient?

[Cheetory6]

Also cited like 3 games where I did that as town

There's a difference between promising a catch-up and then not delivering and saying you're caught up -x number of pages when you're not.
There's also a difference between that and feigning outrage when you get called out on it.
If you'd come back to the game and been like "eh sorry yeah I did miss things during my catch-up" then I would maybe be re-evaluating, but you're literally digging your heels in and selectively throwing shade and it just feels dishonest.

[Cheetory6]

Not a negative utility role, just a character that is considered negative.

Hey look this conversation can't happen anymore because the quote is right here, okay DS?

[Cheetory6]

Anti. I just used my ohmmeter on the snarky wagon and I got a value of 0.
;S
My joke is funnier than DS's.

[Cheetory6]

That's really weird.
I didn't think that was a possible value.

[Cheetory6]

Of myself, Ceph and hiplop, I am objectively the most susceptible to being swirlied.

[Cheetory6]

last time i played with snarky he said he read the whole game in about 17 minutes and then showed a complete lack of awareness on the rest of the game except for ~5 posts before his readslist
he was town town town

The world is full of sadness.

[Cheetory6]

I really hope you're town this game Imp.

Vote: MedJunk

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[Cheetory6]

Wow.

[Cheetory6]

Okay, well, if you wanted to be lynched, that's cool.

[Cheetory6]

I kind of want to print out that post.
And mount it on my wall.
With the caption "fakest attempt at making me look like scum".
Lol.
Thanks for the laugh Kuroi.

[Cheetory6]

Is there a reason we're not lynching Medical Junkies like.. right now?
:/

[Cheetory6]

Hi farside.
Read 951 and tell me with a straight face that you still think the MJwagon is bad please.

[Cheetory6]

It's almost like Kuroi is just scum.

[Cheetory6]

It's almost like the joke will be on you when we are confirmed town come the following day!

~M

Yeah don't say this lightly.
You're saying D2, you will be 100% confirmed town?

[Cheetory6]

Fucking reeling at the idea that townKuroi genuinely believes the shit he just spouted.

[Cheetory6]

Fucking reeling at the idea that townKuroi genuinely believes the shit he just spouted.

^ This guy over here.

-K

I've erased thirty posts responding to this.
Just know.
That I have fucking words for you postgame if you're actually town.

[Cheetory6]

im pretty obviously town

You're a nerd.

[Cheetory6]

Please replace me

[Cheetory6]

please dont let kuroi make you replace out cheet.

It's not Kuroi.
I'm not well enough to play right now.

[Cheetory6]

I'm pretty sure I'm the real MvP for replacing out.
Thanks for carrying my slot T.