Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Scioness Sajj]

hello!

VOTE: the worst

[Scioness Sajj]

hello!

VOTE: the worst

scum enters the wagon!

Am I missing something because I only see one duck

VOTE: Oxy

UglyDuck is also a duck

you'v got me, hoped you could do more with it though.

I don't want SS to be scum though

heard that one before

This is not the same Ruru that was repeating "I am town." in scum pt =)

yeah

I would feel bad about pushing scioness with maximum Mathdino weight on d1 off of 1 post
I would otherwise sheep you, as I agree the post is more scum indicative than null
Waiting til everyone checks in

meh
still don't know why you didn't vote me

hello!

VOTE: the worst

Meh.

Piling onto the hip RVS wagon without talking about it all feels kinda 'trying-to-blend-in'-y.

so if i added a joke it wouldn't be blendy?

is blendy actually a word?

I'm not seeing how the post is more scum indicative than not. In fact, I would be inclined to suggest it's more town indicative than anything else.

It draws attention and provokes reactions. Not something scum want at this point.

Disagree. It felt blending-in-y to me. Like 4 other people just voted TW, so she might as well hop on cuz everyone else is doing it. Also it felt kinda weird coming from Scioness in particular - like it was an empty vote and I'm low-key surprised she didn't have more to say about the fact that a wagon had formed so quickly before joining it.

what did you expect from me after seeing 4 people wagon on first page?

It was the first RVS wagon and it was Sajj's first post. What could she have done to be less vague?

No alt, and I upon cursory examination, I have played 26 games of mafia. Holy shit. First game on this site since the place I normally play is pretty much dead used to smaller games (around 9-13 players) so I might try my hand at a bigger once once I get used to how things operate in a different place.

I think 13p is the perfect size game (give or take)
welcome. hope you enjoy it here.

sheeping the first rvs wagon to L-2 with nothing but a "hi" post pings me as more likely scummy than null/towny. L-2 also lacks the accountability of L-1 or even like a 2nd vote, it's a decent position for scum to be in.

idk if it were me I'd say something like "good wagon, evilduck must die (vote)" but that's not really the point.

I'm not lockscumming her ass and suggesting we lynch with fire but it's a great place to start

so if I have added a comment to my vote you woulnd't scumread it becuase I would fit pattern of votes better?
what's the differnece between rvs wagon and a wagon?

[Scioness Sajj]

Oxy why haven't you caught a scum yet?

i love you

[Scioness Sajj]

it is me

[Scioness Sajj]

from the future but still

[Scioness Sajj]

some thoughts:

sunshine is okay, so is ruru.
dino and pintu are fine to but cannot be trusted.
not buying mohab's excuse for wanting to get lynched.
oxy seems a lot less opinionated and that's worrying.
the rest is whatever.

[Scioness Sajj]

that meme took away all the meaning from this photo smh

ofrhz seems okay, too. in the same way ruru does

[Scioness Sajj]

@the worst

I doubt that

[Scioness Sajj]

Oxy seems more diplomatic in this game

oxy seems a lot less opinionated and that's worrying.

Is this AI though?

it might be. he has been agreeing with people and cracked a bad joke. don't remember him posting anything interesting just yet.

[Scioness Sajj]

280 is good but it mentions that one game so i hate it

okay yeah, I'm will be back tomorrow

@the worst would like you to answer my questions.

[Scioness Sajj]

Pretty decent shot scum!dino pushes that wagon on both town!Sajj and scum!Sajj

I can't imagine what SS looks like when she's about to get bussed but I actually feel like I would want to avoid that risk as scum due to her tendency to produce a lot of text

ugh

[Scioness Sajj]

hwhat do you exactly mean ruru

[Scioness Sajj]

we talk to each other and don't ignore people with our 10 day phases sunnnnnnshine (:

[Scioness Sajj]

let it be known that you asked for it
i am not actually tunneling you as hard as the following is going to make it seem

I think 13p is the perfect size game (give or take)
welcome. hope you enjoy it here.

sheeping the first rvs wagon to L-2 with nothing but a "hi" post pings me as more likely scummy than null/towny. L-2 also lacks the accountability of L-1 or even like a 2nd vote, it's a decent position for scum to be in.

idk if it were me I'd say something like "good wagon, evilduck must die (vote)" but that's not really the point.

I'm not lockscumming her ass and suggesting we lynch with fire but it's a great place to start

btw Math is super super heavily invested in the whole Mafia Discussion world and is incredibly sharp re. open setups. everything he says will be objectively correct or a highly educated opinion. but it's not alignment indicative.

1. game irrelevant comment

2. buddying newbies

3. overexplained version of "L-2 is often the scumspot on the wagon"

4. irrelevant sidenote

5. backs down from the scumread but justifies his vote as pro-town (i hate to say LAMIST but)

6. buddies me with correct knowledge of my gameplay

none of these things are scummy in themselves but the combination of all 6 and this many words without things that i think actually advance the gamestate makes me read it as
posturing?
LAMISTy?
busywork?
whatever term you use for "scum trying to act like town", that.

I agree with 2 and 5 but rest is a strech tbh

[Scioness Sajj]

ofrhz - thoughts on oxy?

[Scioness Sajj]

@Mathdino
Your "irrelevant sidenote" is actually a response to a question Sunshine had asked him directly.

I read this whole post is personality indicative of the worst - He's going to be welcoming, friendly, and overly helpful to new members of this site regardless of alignment.

Certainly, you have more experience with The Worst's game than I do, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

gross but also pretty towny

[Scioness Sajj]

It felt weird from her cuz I would have expected her to comment on wagon-speed or how it was the L-2 vote or something game-relevant. It was just a greeting and an empty vote and she's more .... game-aware I guess in my experience. It felt kinda like 'hi I'm here and I'm participating, don't pay too much attention to me!' from her since she was just voting where everyone else did without like any game-relevant commentary.

There's no one in this playerlist that I've played with before that I wouldn't have found that post to be weird from. I wouldn't find it to be weird from someone who I know to be wagon-happy/easy-with-their-vote/lolvoters. (I'm not describing the playstyle well. Specific examples of people I've played with who I think would enter the game like that include dunkerdoodles and ausuka, and sometimes not-mafia.)

idk who are you talking about but that's not me, lol. do you remember my rvs from last game?

[Scioness Sajj]

Answered inline

ruru is voting me because they townread you and I’m voting you. Thoughts regarding that very specific situation please.

I don't really want to speculate as to why she voted for you, as she was awfully sparse with her explanation in voting for you. Since you asked, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for her to think you're scumreading me (also see tw's question directed at you). ruru could be confused why you are scumreading someone she townreads. Additionally, neither ruru nor I were townreading you, yet you chose to single me out for doing so. I think this was genuine mistake on your part though, but she might have seen it differently.

I guess you can consider the following non-exhaustive list of points you can cover:

Is it a good vote?

I think she thinks it's a productive use of her vote. For relatively inexperienced players, I believe trying to find the motivation behind what they do is more important than what I think they should be doing with her vote. I elaborated on possible motivations above ^.

But to answer your question at face value, I think she should be voting for Mohab or AP or someone who hasn't bothered to talk in game

Will it progress reads on me and/or ruru?

See answer above. This also depends on her successive questioning and her ability to suss people out by engaging with them. I think that is a high ask for someone who is most likely playing her first game as town.

In summary, this, in addition to what I wrote earlier about her being more proactive this game, is why I am townreading her still. Have I answered your questions?

@other duckie, let him question me first.

This is super overexplained for no reason. I don't like that he suggests ruru should be going after lurkers.

[Scioness Sajj]

@Mathdino
Your "irrelevant sidenote" is actually a response to a question Sunshine had asked him directly.

I read this whole post is personality indicative of the worst - He's going to be welcoming, friendly, and overly helpful to new members of this site regardless of alignment.

Certainly, you have more experience with The Worst's game than I do, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

gross but also pretty towny

why's it gross?
why's it towny?

gross bcause I find this way of writing from him to be faked and forced. calculated and unnatural, it was bothering me last game.
towny becuase that's how i expect town oxy to be writing it's his first post in this game that actully pinged me.

[Scioness Sajj]

I would expect him to be showing this tone more.
Yeah, he is really passive.

[Scioness Sajj]

i'm not sure if what i just wrote makes any sense

or maybe it does?

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: oxy

content or tunnel

[Scioness Sajj]

you don't want to meta me lol

[Scioness Sajj]

page 18 and got tired

bad news is i don't think i know how to play the game if nobody is aggressively engaging me from the start

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: Scioness

find scum or die

I really appreciate this ♥

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: oxy

content or tunnel

By end of night - I'm concentrating elsewhere atm

alright, I need more in depth about obv!town math.
and anything on ofrhz and mohab

[Scioness Sajj]

This is super overexplained for no reason.

I don't like that he suggests ruru should be going after lurkers.

This is super overexplained, but for a good reason. Before I wrote this overexplained post in purple, I gave a shorter answer, which wasn't what Sunshine wanted, so I talked off the wall to give him what he wanted. In response, Sunshine said that I answered his question because of this purple post.

...Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

eh, I mean

he gave you additional questions so you could answers more specificly but you still overexplained and I see a lot of words but one sentance content.

[Scioness Sajj]

also what do i do with ap? i don't even know what he is roleplaying.

this is serious question.

[Scioness Sajj]

also what do i do with ap? i don't even know what he is roleplaying.

this is serious question.

watch Austin Powers

are you telling me if I don't watch Austin Powers I won't be able to sort him?

[Scioness Sajj]

[Scioness Sajj]

@Scioness-
- Not sure why you're pointing out the 'grossness' in Oxy's post. Like if Oxy did the same 'gross' thing in Newbie 1859, wouldn't it make it town-indicative or NAI because Oxy was town in 1859????

okay so. i said it was gross becuase the tone bothers me and bothered me a lot in 1859. it was just an idication of me not liking the tone by itself. and yes, the tone itself is something i would townread him for.

but there is very little of it. I did expect him to tone it down after 1859 but it's been tonned down too much.

[Scioness Sajj]

@Scioness
got reads? besides Oxy

I have just isoed AP and I sorta want to give him a really slight townlean by comparision to Mohab. I wouldn't call him a troll actually. I'm probably missing some meaning from his posts but he doesn't seem purposefully confusing. This read is bad but he doesn't feel bad, I guess.

you - meh, you have dodged my questions ealier but 480 is so lazy that it makes me think you are more likely town for it than scum.

I'm a little worried about skitter because we aren't on the same page but I think this issue will solve itself later.

ruru is okay, math is sort of okay. I will poke people more tomorrow when I actually catch up.

[Scioness Sajj]

welp

I don't see a difference between those avatars. was gonna offer ofrhz my own but forgot lol

[Scioness Sajj]

pintu is either town or scum with ofrhz based on that meta argument.

[Scioness Sajj]

i also hate how y'all are forcing people to read 1859

guess it can't be helped

i'll catch up later

[Scioness Sajj]

pintu is either town or scum with ofrhz based on that meta argument.

Well you will have to investigate one of us this time, you filthy cop

i'm still sad cops can't shoot

[Scioness Sajj]

hmmmmmmm

how do i make a readable catch up of 20 pages? post per page? spoilers? grouping by content?

[Scioness Sajj]

haha
nice to read my posts?

good one

[Scioness Sajj]

that ruru v ap really bothers me.

[Scioness Sajj]

oxy i think i will fight you

but im only on page 27

[Scioness Sajj]

o rite

UNVOTE: oxy

[Scioness Sajj]

What the actual fuck ruru

AP's reads are terrible and slightly funny, pretend it's not there

Well, he put a very lynchable player in the vig shots and the less lynchable players in the "sure" category

I want to know if he's really sure

What the actual fuck ruru

AP's reads are terrible and slightly funny, pretend it's not there

Well, he put a very lynchable player in the vig shots and the less lynchable players in the "sure" category

I want to know if he's really sure

In a lot of detail, explain to me why you came to the conclusion that self voting was smart

Apologies if I'm actually gamethrowing? But

1. Something about AP's categories pings me, and his explanation involves me surely being scum
2. I suspect he does not actually want to lynch me or TW
3. I look to test my hypothesis

i know you know it already but self-voting is never pro-town.
also what's your test's result?

OK.. I'll leave now and come back tomorrow. If nobody wants to listen then I'll yield and go back to role-playing and sheeping Mathdino.

If you're sheeping Dino, why are you voting for one of his locktowns? Or why are you even scumreading one of his locktowns?

I'm going to sheep Dino for ease of mind, not because I think his reads are any better than mine.

There can only be one town leader, and I only offer my hand once. (How do you go from Austin Powers to Gladiator??)

And ftr, I don't think ruru voting herself makes her likely to be town. In fact, she's just admitted she was playing chicken with me to see if I will go all the way with my push. Think about it: Scum wanting to appear daring and not afraid of getting lynched.. or Ton who decided it was a good idea to get mislynched on D1 and possibly get another Townie miclynched on D2? Because, having never played with me before she can never be sure of my alignment from the playstyle or reads I have provided. Think, and let me know what you decide.

this is good read, most likely wrong, but is still a good read ap's pov considering. town leaning more for independency.

Well, sometimes I like to push peope’s buttons, see how they react.

Total scumslip, btw.

explain the scumslip?
this post pings me and I forgot why I was townleaning you ealier

...just shoot mohab it's not that hard

although shooting ofrhz might make more sense

god why did so many people ask to be lynched lol
HURT: ofrhz
this is more likely to hit scum and more likely to reduce paranoia/gamesolve even if town

Or put Ugly on L-1, wait for the claim and if he claims VT he gets shot? I know a game where this was optimal

nice pr outing strategy

[Scioness Sajj]

never gonna read all that, fuck that

and tomorrow I can't use a computer/laptop so it's impossible

yeah fuck that just lynch me

Could you help us sort you instead of repeating that you won't read and that you don't have time? Like, anything

I am town I guess. If you vote me up to l-1, I'll selfhammer and prove it if you want.

nothing against you and alignments aside but

if you don't feel like playing the game it would probably benefit everybody the most if you replaced out. i'm not saying that i want you to replace out that's just something to consider when you are back from your v/la I guess.

OK after completely catching up, here is my generalized reads list so that I do not take up 2 pages of space. If you have a question, or want more input on a specific read, just ask. If I posted all my notes it would of taken up until like page 25

Towny Side of Stuff

Oxy

- TownXTown to the tenth power. No avenues being produced through any of their reads to be looked at as possible set ups. Only player so far to me where like actually all of their content seems genuine.

Math

- driving the game. engaging with all players, yadda yadda. I will do a seperate post about both TW and Math, but strong TRs on both for now.

theworst

- driving the game. engaging with all players, yadda yadda. I will do a seperate post about both TW and Math, but strong TRs on both for now.

sunshine

- posting content, asking questions, obviously reading far into the game. Town traits, I don't see a reason to look here today.

Draynth

- Not a lot to go off of, but reads seem OK. I mean I disagree with his top two pushes, but I think for anyone to be pushing Math/TW right now I would of been granting some TP to because there has to be like a 0% chance they get lynched today.

Middle People

Skitter

- Lots of content once they started and they obviously are reading along intently and putting effort into pulling quotes and and explanations and etc. Some of the quotes though, have explanations that seems a little too specific to be something to actually care about on D1. Most recent example being calling Math skum because of a similarity to play style in MkUltra. Whatever, if I had to choose outside of null, def would pick Town, but null it is.

Scioness

- Trying to make some cases on some people for some kind of NAI reasons (IMO). However, as I am heavily TR on the worst right now, I feel like skum would be the first to jump off the L2 TW wagon early Day 1 for the credit (assuming I am right about Town!TW). Summary: Cases being made are skummy, actions seem more on the towny side of things.

Pin

- So I am 4 games on this forum and this is the third with Pin. I have thought he was skum in every game I have played with him, and so far have yet to be correct. I am putting him under Null because I am getting skummy vibes, but obv that has not worked out for me in the past. The thing is that I am getting skummy vibes because he is playing differently than he has in the other games I have played with him. Normally way more involved, and pushing the game along. That could be because Math/TW are kind of driving the bus here, or not, so yeah.. for now Null.

Mohab500

- No fucking idea. So weird. If anything I guess Town? but it takes me as much time to read one of their posts as it does to read a page of any other content so IDK.

AP

- Same thing as Mohab, kind of, on a lesser level. They are at least contributing in the game quite a bit, it is just all the other relaxed posts throw me off.

Skummy

Ruru

- Perfect amount of content for skum combined with the the content of that content. A little bit of the Game Set Up talk, a little bit of the rando joke around side content, some vote throws, and (what stood out to me) is just like lots of random questions. Not random I suppose, but questions that have been answered based on context of game or like ambiguous questions about general game play. They said this is their second game ever, so there could be that - but just a note from my POV, bc this site has so many ALTs, I disregard every player's "amount of games played posts".

ofrhz

- So this is kind of my main spot at this point. Starting with the Vig shot concept from a while back "why wouldn't Vig shoot N1". Regardless of the correct play, I feel like looking like it from that perspective is worried skum mindset where as Town Mindset would be "Oh god what if I guessed wrong".


So yeah. I don't see myself getting a Ruru train going rn based on everyone's posted standing, so... VOTE: ofrhz

is super wobbly.
could you elaborate on the underline reads? and write those posts abot tw and md.

It felt weird from her cuz I would have expected her to comment on wagon-speed or how it was the L-2 vote or something game-relevant. It was just a greeting and an empty vote and she's more .... game-aware I guess in my experience. It felt kinda like 'hi I'm here and I'm participating, don't pay too much attention to me!' from her since she was just voting where everyone else did without like any game-relevant commentary.

There's no one in this playerlist that I've played with before that I wouldn't have found that post to be weird from. I wouldn't find it to be weird from someone who I know to be wagon-happy/easy-with-their-vote/lolvoters. (I'm not describing the playstyle well. Specific examples of people I've played with who I think would enter the game like that include dunkerdoodles and ausuka, and sometimes not-mafia.)

idk who are you talking about but that's not me, lol. do you remember my rvs from last game?

Hello!

VOTE: eth0s

Has a recent Last visited date and hasn't posted yet.

Is your vote serious?
VOTE: ruru

You had content in your entrance, which is my point. There you found someone's entrance interesting enough to vote them for it and to pressure them to talk about it.

Here you just blindly became the L-2 vote on a wagon without talking about it at all.

I feel like you have explained my point for yourself here. in 1859 ruru posted something interesting, here there was nothing really interesting so I have added onto.

also what do i do with ap? i don't even know what he is roleplaying.

this is serious question.

watch Austin Powers

are you telling me if I don't watch Austin Powers I won't be able to sort him?

I kinda townread this.

I hope this isn't only reason for your current townlean on me

(if somebody else is townleaning me mostly for this post please raise your hand)

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: oxy

content or tunnel

Any update on this?

i think oxy misunderstood me. i asked for content (and threathened to tunnel him) but got tunnel instead

more below

Thanks, Math. You guys are having this discussion too early. I'm working my way through, and you'll have more to work with by the end of the night. I won't sleep until I've caught up, responded to whatever, and added to the game.

Like he was even a PR last game and still LAMISTed like every other post

FTR, this was on purpose because past!Oxy wanted to be active and didn't want to obv!town so much that he would get nk'd. Past!Oxy was an idiot.

are you telling us you were lamist on purpose to get some scumleans out of people?

You tried pulling something like this in MKUltra when I scumread you there too.

Like you're agreeing with me and saying you get where I'm coming but at the same time downplaying what I'm saying. Also you're trying to say that town!math would do the exact same thing here.

It's weird to tell me that you agree with me but that you don't think the point I'm making is worth responding to.

This gave me flashbacks. This feels a lot like 1859. Skitter comes into a game with a suspect, and that suspicion just kind of taints that person for them for the entire game.

I disagree, it took skitter some time to get into a tunnel on you.

VOTE: oxy

content or tunnel

By end of night - I'm concentrating elsewhere atm

alright, I need more in depth about obv!town math.
and anything on ofrhz and mohab

Ofrhz is a scum read for me at the moment.
Last game he was asking everyone, including his town reads, pointed questions that implied that Ofrhz had been reading them critically.

Here I see a bunch of fluff while content goes by that I think he would have jumped on last game.

Mohab seems like the type of person who would say, "I want to be lynched. I dare you to do it." as scum.

But I could sheep math on this read if we don't get more content.

nice dodge on the md question.
also updates on mohab? would you still sheep md?

Draynth - Not a lot to go off of, but reads seem OK. I mean I disagree with his top two pushes, but I think for anyone to be pushing Math/TW right now I would of been granting some TP to because there has to be like a 0% chance they get lynched today.


Middle People

Skitter - Lots of content once they started and they obviously are reading along intently and putting effort into pulling quotes and and explanations and etc. Some of the quotes though, have explanations that seems a little too specific to be something to actually care about on D1. Most recent example being calling Math skum because of a similarity to play style in MkUltra. Whatever, if I had to choose outside of null, def would pick Town, but null it is.

Scioness - Trying to make some cases on some people for some kind of NAI reasons (IMO). However, as I am heavily TR on the worst right now, I feel like skum would be the first to jump off the L2 TW wagon early Day 1 for the credit (assuming I am right about Town!TW). Summary: Cases being made are skummy, actions seem more on the towny side of things.

I'm calling this slot town based on this quote alone. Fight me.

I want to. Explain.

OK after completely catching up, here is my generalized reads list so that I do not take up 2 pages of space. If you have a question, or want more input on a specific read, just ask. If I posted all my notes it would of taken up until like page 25

I'm calling this slot scum based on this quote alone. Fight me.

Touche, but like those three reads are quite good. They have "nuance" as the kids these days say.

For example: reading scioness scum by her cases and town by her actions is kind of a perfect read for 1859 sajj

do you think it is also perfect read for me here? why?

I was explaining to UD the bussing theory

But yeah I kinda get that tbh

lmao whoops vote me

I'll even self hammer

THIS ALSO DOES NOT COME FROM TOWN

I agree with this. I remember how ofrhz reacted to his wagon in 1859 and how it played out and this doesn't line up.

[Scioness Sajj]

Dino - I'd like to talk to you about Oxy but that's probably for tomorrow unless you have a good read of him right now because I'm sort of fancing on him.

[Scioness Sajj]

Almost all the reads seemed super generic / possibly faked

This makes sense.

This same reasoning is making me doubt my townread of Scioness. I don’t really see an issue with her rvs vote, but her reads were kinda vague even if I agreed with most of them.

could i get your thought process behind this? generic/faked =/= vague

ofrhz - thoughts on oxy?

I'm not sure at time of writing this, so lemme type out loud:
- Early game, Oxy announced a couple of townreads like he did in 1859 (btw, Oxy was really town in 1859).
- Some mild sucking up to Mathdino, even though he's not quite townreading Math just yet. But tbh lots of people are doing this (sucking up), so I haven't decided if this point means anything yet.
- 280 [Math explained why he didn't want to push a Scioness wagon yet]: Seems to be a turning point for Oxy where he started townreading Mathdino. I agree with Oxy in that 280 is pro-town.
(...except last time I checked this thread, Mathdino was literally pushing Scioness lmao)
- 339: Oxy is no longer townreading Sunshine? hmmm this kinda contradicts 84.
- 376: I'm kinda confused by why he thinks I have a different mindset this game. I have more experience going into this game (ok, 1 game vs 0 but still), and this game, no one posted anything blatantly sketchy in the first page of the game for me to tunnel on. However, I think multiple people have echoed similar sentiments about not being sure how to read me at this point though (and my recent wallposts probably didn't help with that oops), so I think he was prudent to wait for more content.
- 378: Not really related to oxy, but multiple people have now said skitter cannot fake this entrance. ...really? skitter can't post 56 as scum?
- 388 [Oxy townreading Mathdino for holding back]: I think multiple people have brought up why this logic for doesn't make sense. I'd like to see Oxy follow up with this before passing judgment.
- I see Oxy has toned down the LAMIST the game. town++ lmao

I guess I'm tentatively townreading Oxy rn

not really feeling this
your point about 280 and 388 contradict themsleves unless you were just pointing it out (but why would you do that?)

- I see Oxy has toned down the LAMIST the game. town++ lmao

Why do you find this town-indicative for him?

Trying to not do things that would get him hard-tunneled for the wrong reasons is pro town. His playstyle has definitely changed, and it

could

be scum looking to not stick out as much, but this change is for the better

this has been covered but it also reads to me: i would eventually scumread oxy for this but he is easier to play with now so I won't.

I have her [ruru] as a strong townread...

Why is this?

Spoiler:

Thoughts boiled down:
- She was a bit stiff in her last scumgame. She's done like a 180 this game on that front with regards to how she reacted in RVS and making jokes, etc. This is the major reason why I'm townreading her.
- She was really afraid to engage people as scum. In the scum pt for 1859, ruru was also stressing out over the fact that Mathdino replaced into the game, so I think skitter has a point about how scum!ruru would not vote Mathdino.
- Not really scumhunting, wanting to wagon lurkers. In her scumgame, she didn't really vote anyone who wasn't a lurker D1 until the last possible minute (in particular, she was voting lurkers over her other scumreads for most of D1). Her vote on Draynth was pretty good and not something scum ruru did in our previous game

Like this was her RVS vote last game. Scum trying to look like town trying to find scum.

VOTE: eth0s

Has a recent Last visited date and hasn't posted yet.

I was gonna find more examples of her stiffness, but I kinda got lazy.

those are not bad reasons for townreading ruru but it seems lazy.

Yeah I think you guys have a point, but Oxy toned down his LAMIST in D2 of 1859. So I don't tthink scum!Oxy is more likely than town!Oxy to tone down LAMIST. I was more thinking from the angle of him not being LAMIST-y helps people form better reads, which is pro-town given how much town was dragged down by that in 1859.

why not?
also what do you think about the lamist stuff since you know it was designed to see him as scummy?

Draynth

- Not a lot to go off of, but reads seem OK. I mean I disagree with his top two pushes, but I think for anyone to be pushing Math/TW right now I would of been granting some TP to because there has to be like a 0% chance they get lynched today.

Er... your two scumreads are in his townreads. And also while you have some overlapping reads with Draynth, your reasons for those reads are different (e.g. Draynth's read on skitter was null bc he literally just skipped skitter's posts, whereas you have a nullread on skitter for a very different reason). What there anything else about his reads that pinged you as town?

Pin

- So I am 4 games on this forum and this is the third with Pin. I have thought he was skum in every game I have played with him, and so far have yet to be correct. I am

putting him under Null because I am getting skummy vibes, but obv that has not worked out for me in the past

. The thing is that

I am getting skummy vibes because he is playing differently

than he has in the other games I have played with him. Normally way more involved, and pushing the game along. That could be because Math/TW are kind of driving the bus here, or not, so yeah.. for now Null.

Lots of hedging

Ruru

- Perfect amount of content for skum combined with the the content of that content. A little bit of the Game Set Up talk, a little bit of the rando joke around side content, some vote throws, and (what stood out to me) is just like lots of random questions. Not random I suppose, but questions that have been answered based on context of game or like ambiguous questions about general game play. They said this is their second game ever, so there could be that - but just a note from my POV, bc this site has so many ALTs, I disregard every player's "amount of games played posts".

Nah I believe she's telling the truth when she says this is her second game.

ofrhz

- So this is kind of my main spot at this point. Starting with the Vig shot concept from a while back "why wouldn't Vig shoot N1". Regardless of the correct play, I feel like looking like it from that perspective is

worried skum mindset

where as Town Mindset would be "Oh god what if I guessed wrong".


So yeah.

I don't see myself getting a Ruru train going rn based on everyone's posted standing

, so... VOTE: ofrhz

I'm not really seeing this? Someone brought up that vig is anti-town because a vig could just mis-fire on town, so I was trying to get at an optimal vig play here.

I kinda feel like you're going after me for being an easier mislynch than ruru.
VOTE: UglyDuck call it omgus, idgaf

not reading pedits lmao

no clue what to think of this, the content as nothing to do with the vote.

I think you may have the wrong duckling

Hey Scioness, you were probably confusing me with TW (he posted 480). Have I (upside duck) dodged any of your questions?

I'm going to change my avatar. Was fun being upside down while it lasted

yes I was, nah you are good. thanks for changing the icon.

Oxy, you realize your case on me is basically that I'm different from the last game? A lot of people have said the same thing about you

pedit: wat why

do you think that Oxy is right about you being different?

[Scioness Sajj]

@oxy
I know there was a post. I didn't really liked it so i asked for more. believe it or not but i read the game.

I don't care what you have decided, Explain 645 please.

[Scioness Sajj]

Hello, NSG!

See you around, Mohab!

[Scioness Sajj]

I still find his later explanations or lack thereof scummy

which posts are you referring to?

Hmm, I just skimmed Oxy in 1859 to re-evaluate the LAMIST thing

I'm not really seeing it

Some notes:
0. Wow I got used to this Oxy and that Oxy is more different than I remembered
1. eth0s called him a likely NK relatively early D1, but his posting style didn't change to try to seem more scummy
2. Md lead the game later D1 and obvtowned him, but his posting style didn't change to try to seem more scummy
3. He softed PR in such an obvious way that during the game, as scum, I had a hard time believing he wasn't bluffing specifically to draw the NK as VT. This is pretty much the opposite of trying to get more people to scumread him to avoid the NK

1&2 - changing the playstyle after being called out would more likely get him killed, though. Dino also granted Oxy a wifom protection coat, which I hated at that time but yeah it was a good play and actually made Oxy less likely to be nk'd.
3 - tbf you need to take into account when it happened. He was being wagoned and scumread at the time of the claim and I believe he was quite upset.

[Scioness Sajj]

I feel like you have explained my point for yourself here. in 1859 ruru posted something interesting, here there was nothing really interesting so I have added onto.

I mean, I thought the wagon on TW was interesting, but eh.

I hope this isn't only reason for your current townlean on me

That's just about the only thing I saw to townread you for tbh. I dislike your entrance. I liked that post. I don't think you've posted much else AI at this point.

i don't think town!skitter would grant me a townlean for being silly and only that.

[Scioness Sajj]

(I didn't want to quote the 1st quote btw)

Have you read 1859?

If you did:
I don't think there is a universe where my scummy entrance gets outweighed by me having a braindead moment. I really don't.
She still believes that my entrance was scummy, she got some arguments for that which is a fair and results in a scumlean. Then I have posted some more stuff that's nai for her and she get's a townlean on my AP reading question. I could understand a null but a townlean, when she didn't really engage me at all and I haven't been posting much on my own, is lazy.

If you did not:
In 1859 it took skitter some time to get a townread on me. There was a big 1v1 between me and Oxy early in D1, at that time skitter was asking both sides questions, she even defended me by explaining why Oxy's reasons to scumread me were weak. But she didn't really have a strong townread at that time. I have got a townread from skitter later after I have engaged Oxy again and made a case that resonated with her. We have also mindmelded somewhere around that time to the point that I really didn't have to ask her questions because she was saying and thinking the same things I did. I think she felt the same. 721 skitter is not alike 1859 skitter.

[Scioness Sajj]

above to draynth btw

[Scioness Sajj]

@mod v/la untill Monday

Noted, it will be in tonight's vote count.

[Scioness Sajj]

I will try to get sme things going today and will probably post tomorrow and Thursday.

No chance I will be there on Firday and Staruday, though. No clue about Sunday but I have a bad feeling.

[Scioness Sajj]

I don't think Oxy is scum here tbh,

Ofrhz tunnel isn't really there (although I agree with reasoning), but that TW tunnel hits all the right notes.

[Scioness Sajj]

I know I am replacing out but I thinm tw is scum or at the very least, tw vs oxy is not tvt

I am new to the forum... but like this can't be considered "acceptable" right...?

I missed that one before, I'm going to consult with Assemblerotws about if action needs to be taken, but, for future reference, the last post in the game you should make is the one asking for a replace out.

I hate this post.

[Scioness Sajj]

It's probably nothing but I dislike it more than his readlists.

[Scioness Sajj]

@scioness: I think your entry was bad. You have like one post that I like. neither of these are enough for me to sort you confidentally either way right now. I think part of the problem is that I haven't super been here, and you haven't super been here. If you're town, I think I'll be able to see that like I did last time when you start posting more content and contributing more. IE I think you'll become more readable to me if you post more content, and you haven't really done anything scummy enough for me to jump on that today before you catch up.

You're, as a whole, like somewhere between null and nullscum but I think I can get a better read with more content so I'm just kinda waiting for that to happen.

Basically what I'm saying is that I like the one post and it's town-indicative, and I also dislike your entrance and I'm waiting for more from you to firm up this read. Liking one post doesn't mean I townread you.

i'm pretty sure I have seen you have a townlean on me in one of your most current readlists. but yeah sure, it can wait.

[Scioness Sajj]

I think UgD has a lot of onions.
Maybe hasnt read a lot of wiki stuff or talked through with a lot ot MS people

onions are onions to me. explain to me please?

[Scioness Sajj]

1255 screams LAMIST at me in the very wrong way, not much about onions.

I'm nowhere near being fully caught up but i'd lynch in {sunshine, ud, ofrhz} preferring ofrhz right now.

[Scioness Sajj]

he had some good effort early but sort of disappeared. and now it's some complaining and beging upset for extensive amount of time. i believe he said it's not his first game so those things seem more like excuses to post less.

[Scioness Sajj]

I'm starting to see a pattern here...

?

[Scioness Sajj]

explain the pattern and read what i wrote thanks a lot

[Scioness Sajj]

dude i have no interactions with either of them

[Scioness Sajj]

lol

[Scioness Sajj]

the triangle of scumreads

what's your conclusion?

[Scioness Sajj]

the triangle of scumreads

what's your conclusion?

[Scioness Sajj]

[Scioness Sajj]

which posts are you referring to?

You can read his iso if you want but basically AP never actually explained why he originally thought UD could be scum according to his TW+UD+ruru theory

Because according to his explanation of the TW+ruru part I would think UD would be very likely town, which makes me think the reads were fabricated

All his explanations involving UD involved present-tense "oh I did some thinking and here is a way that UD could actually be scum" but that's not what I asked for

I have iso'ed you and AP and I don't really follow your thougths in the interactions before self-voting. I think what AP was originally saying was that he sees a scumteam in {you and TW} and he wants to vig UD becuase he was reading UD independently.
Then he dropped the scumread but later voted UD again but I didn't really saw him mentioning UD in the context of ruru+tw again?

And then you lost him and he ignored some of your questions which is

hmmmmm

. So yeah I agree and would also like some explanation on how his UD read is going now.

[Scioness Sajj]

I'm not seeing a real progression in your reads.

1. UD's 1255 wasn't really LAMIST? Out of all the things to scumread him for, this makes the least sense.
2. Sunshine has been V/LA for 2 days, and probably has been catching up.
3. I responded to one of your posts on me, and you haven't mentioned it so I'm not sure why you're scumreading me but your other two scumreads feel fake.

I don't think Oxy is scum here tbh,

Ofrhz tunnel isn't really there (although I agree with reasoning), but

that TW tunnel hits all the right notes.

...yet you're not scumreading TW here.

you do like them catchphrases don't you

1. is LAMISNT better? How does me reading him for something you don't understand indicates I have no read progression?
2. And?
3. Do you think me not answering that post means I have no real read progerssion? How so? Why do they feel fake?

quote - yes the tunnel, Oxy's way of tunneling. Do you think I should scumread TW becuase Oxy is tunneling him?

(btw it has took 11 posts to get you to a conclusion that is barely connected with your pattern. could you be more pro-town and stop waffling around?)

[Scioness Sajj]

TW is that at me?

[Scioness Sajj]

if so I have no clue what you are talking about.

[Scioness Sajj]

it's not necessarily a scumread,

just a "hmm, scioness doesn't look like her usual towny self here".

looking back i've often found that those reads tend to be scum more than my actual scumreads, but they're the ones that i ignore the most often. (mutantdevle in tit for tat comes to mind). i don't want to make that same mistake this game.

I'm super intrigued by this

[Scioness Sajj]

you have yet to explain what the connection between my, sunshine and uglyduck's scumreads mean.

more catching up tomorrow.

[Scioness Sajj]

Your scumreads give me the impression that you guys are bussing each other. And I really don't have any reason to townread you or UD tbh

I'd really like to lynch either UD or Scioness today. In that order.

> prefers UD lynch over Scioness

> Mathdino votes Scioness

tfw

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

Just wanna point out that ofrhz was voting UD before MD changed his vote.

[Scioness Sajj]

wish I had more time for this

VOTE: ofrhz

more to follow

[Scioness Sajj]

@Scioness, in response to your posts:

I was explaining to UD the bussing theory

But yeah I kinda get that tbh

lmao whoops vote me

I'll even self hammer

THIS ALSO DOES NOT COME FROM TOWN

I agree with this. I remember how ofrhz reacted to his wagon in 1859 and how it played out and this doesn't line up.

This wagon isn't at all comparable to the wagon in 1859. At this point, I think I had 3 votes on me (UD, Oxy, Md?); it takes 7 to lynch. In 1859, I was at L-1.
Aside from that difference, my reaction quoted here wasn't in response to the wagon on me. It was because I felt bad for doing something that might've been stupid and anti-town.

???
Are you telling me that you wanted to hammer yourself out of the game, as town, because you have done something anti-town? And it has nothing to do with the wagon on you and nothing to do with ruru selfvoting few pages ago I bet. You've just made a joke response (lmao whoops vote me) because you have felt guilty for being bad townie and that bad townie also decided to redeem itself by another anti-town thing to do, that was already mentioned in the thread that it is indeed anti-town thing to do.

I think it is comparable, because last time when there was a wagon on you, you had to be talked into by one of your townreads to actually try to defend yourself, at L-1. Here you are prematurely offering to self-hammer that, now after explanation, has nothing to do with... anything? You just felt it was good idea to show us how much of a good townie you are that you'd take responsibility for those bad things you have done. But you aren't even sure if you actually did something wrong.

Not to mention that the selfvote post in itself has a joking vibe to it but you are very seriously defending it.

Almost all the reads seemed super generic / possibly faked

This makes sense.

This same reasoning is making me doubt my townread of Scioness. I don’t really see an issue with her rvs vote, but her reads were kinda vague even if I agreed with most of them.

could i get your thought process behind this? generic/faked =/= vague

Your readlist was both vague and generic.
Your readlist was 272 - the biggest thing that jumped out at me was your Oxy read. If he seems different to you, does he seem different in a scummy way? It doesn't seem like you really put that much thought into this and just offered up "Oxy seems different," and said it could be AI. It's lacking in nuance imo

I feel like you like to use buzzwords but you don't really think them through.

1. Does posting some lose thoughts on page 10 is alignment indicative to you? (it was not a readlist btw, I didn't have one at that time, I still really don't lol)
2. I think you have forgotten to update your read on this or just got your timeline wrong because I have explained to you what I think about Oxy being different but you never commented on it yet you are using it as an argument for your read in 441 and my post explaining Oxy was 500-something.
3. What nuance did you expect from my answers about Oxy being different than in our previous game?

ofrhz - thoughts on oxy?

I'm not sure at time of writing this, so lemme type out loud:
<Long bulleted list> I guess I'm tentatively townreading Oxy rn

not really feeling this
your point about 280 and 388 contradict themsleves unless you were just pointing it out (but why would you do that?)

No actually I don't think 280 and 388 contradict each other. In 388, I think Oxy was saying that Math holding back is pro-town. In 280, Mathdino explained why he was holding back. Anyway, laying it out helped me realize that Oxy's thought process made sense with respect to how he came about townreading and subsequently sheeping Math.

They did, I think. In 280 you have quoted MD (in your Oxy read?) and said that Oxy's townreading MD for that post and you agree with that reason for a townread. It's a pattern for you that agree with something == townreading it or the person, so to my understanding it means that you were already at that point townreading Oxy for it but then few bullet points later you have said:

[Oxy townreading Mathdino for holding back]: I think multiple people have brought up why this logic for doesn't make sense. I'd like to see Oxy follow up with this before passing judgment.

First you agreed with Oyx's point (who knows if that was alignment indicative since you didn't mention it), but then you take step back because you see that people aren't agreeing with it.
You do sheep a lot this game, you didn't sheep at all in 1895.

those are not bad reasons for townreading ruru but it seems lazy.

You say lazy, I say efficient. There are 12 people to sort, and I'm not going to spend time on someone who I very confidently think is town.

Let's talk about surface level, shall we?
My comment on your ruru read was wrong. You have made three fairly in depth explained bullet points, you have also included a quote from last game and offered to look for more. You have had a good reason to scumread me for misrepping you here, but you decided to defend instead. You also arguemnt it with saying that you won't spent time on someone you are confident in townreading but in the orginal readlist you have offered to do so

Yeah I think you guys have a point, but Oxy toned down his LAMIST in D2 of 1859. So I don't tthink scum!Oxy is more likely than town!Oxy to tone down LAMIST. I was more thinking from the angle of

him not being LAMIST-y helps people form better reads, which is pro-town

given how much town was dragged down by that in 1859.

why not?
also what do you think about the lamist stuff since you know it was designed to see him as scummy?

If you're asking why I think Oxy toning down LAMIST is more likely to come from town than scum, it is because Oxy stopped being LAMIST in 1859

as town

.
I think not doing LAMIST is pro-town, because of the reason in bold. I also don't think Oxy has been LAMIST-y in this game.

why not? = why is town!Oxy more likely to tone down that LAMIST thing?
You have dodge my question so: also what do you think about the lamist stuff since you know it was designed to see him as scummy?

<snip>

I'm not really seeing this? Someone brought up that vig is anti-town because a vig could just mis-fire on town, so I was trying to get at an optimal vig play here.

I kinda feel like you're going after me for being an easier mislynch than ruru.
VOTE: UglyDuck call it omgus, idgaf

no clue what to think of this, the content as nothing to do with the vote.

This was my case against UglyDuck. I pointed out why several of his reads were bad in a scummy way. His readlist was scummy because 1) wow hedging and 2) UglyDuck probably thought I was an easy lynch and went to push for it based on really bad reasons.

Your 1st point was an observation and a question. Your 2nd point was 'a lot of hedging' and you've bolded where UD has explained why he has Pin in null category and explained what makes UD think pintu is scummy. In your 3rd point, you have disagreed that ruru has any previous experience. In your 4th point, you disagree with him again. None of those explain your why you think those things come from scum nor is it actually a case against UD. Your hedging argument is really meh and in the end, you have called the whole thing omgus. Calling your case against someone omgus is a convenient way to dodge responsibility for your vote and explain weak arguments.

do you think that Oxy is right about you being different?

This wasn't Oxy's point though. Oxy was saying that I am different this game

in a scummy way

. I think that's an important distinction. Anyway, no, I have not been different in a scummy way.

tl;dr Scioness is lacking a lot of nuance in her read of the game

It is not an important distinction per se, it is also nice dodge of my question and an important point to make to justify your Oxy read.
I asked if Oxy is right about being different, you do agree that you play differently but you don't agree that you are scummy.
You think that answering my question directly will make you look scummy and you also want to avoid being called out on your Oxy's read.

meh, that 'nuance' thing, it's a weak read and you wrote a lot of words to make it look serious but none of those words actually explain what 'nuance' you are expecting from me. I mean you do expect some things from me but what do you expect?, you also called me scummy for the exact things you have called me scummy in 1859.
A lot of words, a lot of shading and in the end you are hiding behind MD's vote.

You can answer the questions, but I won't be here to replay and I'm not changing my vote so you can as well assume they are rhetoric.
(thanks for making this post a pain to answer to btw)

[Scioness Sajj]

Will Scioness have time to claim if we wagon her

yes I am, not feeling so eager to wagon me anymore?
VOTE: ofrhz

[Scioness Sajj]

yes I am was to the v/la thing. I won't most likely be here.

but I also wouldn't be claiming so w/e, not my point about your post at all.

[Scioness Sajj]

1255 - This post was a "why is this person still playing a game that he has replaced out of?" He was asking the mod about a game rule, which applies to everyone, regardless of alignment. It's like when Mohab came in and kept posting after he was replaced out, some people said "wtf stop posting in this game," and those posts aren't AI either imo. They're just getting everyone on the same page with the rules. Is there something scummy about how UD asked about game rules?

Sure he was. The thing is:
1). the whole thing was already explained before UD get into the thread.
2). he is not really a shitposter/high activity person.
3). he used it to mention how new he is to the game.
And that 3rd point is what's important imo, because that's the kind of thing that was pinging me about ruru in 1859. When she used your post to remind people how new she was to the game (or was that my post?). It's a subconscious thing i.e. - people are reading me as a noob so they are more likely to forgive me my 'mistakes' so I will use this as an opportunity to remind me why they should believe I'm just a clueless noob.

Uh, you said Sunshine was "had some good effort early but sort of disappeared," so I feel like him going V/LA and needing to catch up would have something to do with his presence (or relative lack of) in the game. I don't know why you brought up Sunshine being upset; Sunshine hasn't used his anger at UD as an excuse to not play the game. He has said multiple times that he is rereading the game. I don't think town!Scioness would say that being inactive and needing to catch up is scum indicative.

There should be 'it' before 'sort of' and that would also make more sense probably but I have never said I scumread Sunsine for activity, I was talking about how the quality of his content dropped.

Don't you even start with the town!scioness thing when you are trying to push me for the same thing you were scumreading me in 1859.

How was Oxy's TW tunnel different from his tunnel on me? What aspects of his tw tunnel make you think he was town?

Don't have time to write in depth explanation here so I will just bold things to make me believe that it is standard death tunnel by oxy.

Whether or not it was AI for you to consciously/sub-consciously avoid talking to your scum partner directly will come out in post game.

I don't think you can help talking to people as town, so yeah, I think it was AI.

I also think you're playing scummy af.

You've been trying to derail a perfectly pro-town plan for the vig shot

You've been throwing shade at people like dino without reasoning

You reacted to my case on you by saying "I'm going to have to process this"

but

I think town you gets a little bit angrier when someone makes a case against you that you consider bad.

Don't you think, Dino? Don't answer that.

but your case on me?

Your case on me is that the massive amount of effort I put into this game resulted in a "useless" statistic

And that I'm pocketing mathdino

And that I'm a scumbutt.

So which case is really more nonsensical?

Town win by finding scum not by asking the 4th player on their wagon to re case them

Are you number 4? What a comfy position for scum to be in, amirite?

This post definitely doesn't sound like you're anxious to take ownership of my lynch.

town lean is a town read you fool

And I just said the worst is probably the only scum voting me

but skitter tunnel feels precisely like last game, and I think she's town. And I'm pretty sure math is town

so in a world of 2 on my wagon, you were the only one left??

Also, WTF. I'm being voted on by 2 people for being too different from last game, and one person for being too similar? am I a fucking rorshach test?

@the worst -

I think the timing was bad mannered, but mohab just got bullied out of this game because people like NSG more, so I wouldn't have blamed them if they posted their role pm as a big fuck you. basically, it's NAI.

More after this conference call

I think the 'town lean is a town read you fool' at pintu is the most indicative of town!oxy here. He called pintu a fool for saying that oxy gave him a townlean instead of townread. Don't think Oxy is faking a frustration here.
The other bolded are trademarks of town!oxy tunneling.

[Scioness Sajj]

are we already getting to that part of the game that i don't really want to read

consolidate wagons, people

your options are draynth and scioness, and if you want to have shit reads, oxy

we're not lynching ofrhz because we're vigging him

I could consider lynching UD, I'd probably shoot pintu, if not UD, for his oxy read tbh but those are things that I can't talk about so let's just say my reason is vibes.
but ofrhz is pretty much conf!scum for that self-hammer explanation alone so

Scion seems like she's not engaged that much with the game, so scumlean.

This is true, but also not AI for me and five people here should know that.

-----
Has only skimmed past few pages but:
sunshine - I have seen him being sure to have visible progression on my slot, i think he wants to distance himself from me because of that fos-ing triangle - i think that experienced scum player would actually put more effort into a scumread on me if they knew I was town.
skitter - meh I think MD has already engaged her about it. she would lynch me because I have not good enough content but I don't really have that much content to begin with? it feels like she wants to have that scumread on me since I have engaged her on giving me a townlean that I didn't deserve.


I think that's all I have to say.

[Scioness Sajj]

fun

[Scioness Sajj]

Scioness is a terrible, awful, horrible, no-good lynch today.

Please do not let my counter wagon be sajj.

I'm terrible lynch today but what about tomorrow? Do you think you will have a confident enough read on me, without a clear, to take me into lylo?

My TR on oxy is wearing out. Both him and Sajj refuse to vote each other. Sajj even avoided the Draynth wagon and went for a new wagon on ofrhz (did I spell that right?)

glad to know you are reading vcs, sad you are not reading the game though

1533 was mostly a case based on misrepping me. She even misrepresented what I did in Newbie 1859.

I will go at it point by point but I would need to sit down and take time to do that. Not to mention it’s very tiring and unfun to engage someone who accuses me of dodging her questions when I didn’t and even blames me for making her post in a way that’s difficult to follow. Like wtf

In 1534, math explicitly said he wants to wagon draynth or Scioness. How was my question not a reasonable follow up to that?

cry me a river
waiting for the delivery or not, hopefully you will get vigged
never blamed you for makng my post difficult to follow, but you need this ate attempt to look believable so yeah, you do you

Well, I saw the wagons' composition and I still like Oxy's above the others. I would vote ofrhz but I don't like Scioness suggesting to vig me because of my read on Oxy, no sense at all
VOTE: Oxy

iirc, p sure i do, the starting point for pintu's sr on oxy was oxy's sr on ofrhz.

[Scioness Sajj]

ofrhz still scum

but I also want a hammer

[Scioness Sajj]

eh, not the worst idea to lynch me considering everything I guess.

[Scioness Sajj]

@mod replace me out, please.

[Scioness Sajj]

gg, everybody! thanks for hosting brass!

sorry I have replaced without the word but brass didn't want me to post after I requested replacement and sorry scum team shouldn't have probably give Mohab the idea of replacing out, it was not an optimal scum strategy you can blame the loss on me :')

[Scioness Sajj]

I'm a stickler for the rules, sorry. The way I see it is if you replace out, you are out of the game unless you want to return.

If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will tell me I'm an idiot.

You didn't do anything wrong, that's not what I meant.

[Scioness Sajj]

hope to see you again, scioness (and we're the same alignment)! we didn't really get to interact much this game.

I don't really have much time right now but I have a pre-in into one of upcoming games so maybe we will meet there if not well I will probably keep on playing until I roll vt

Okay, if I ever do anything that people don't like as a player or a mod, I will always take that into account for the future, it's part of my trying to constantly grow and learn.

Oh no, I mentioned it because it was sort of rude of me to replace out without a word when I know the majority of the playerlist I think. Idk I have expected that I could write one more bah post or so, your request has caught me off guard for some reason. Sorry it wasn't clear!