Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

[skitter30]

Hey, i will be around tom after work, sorry for my absence

[skitter30]

I have no idea how to play this role so I'll say this: part of my role is that I am a miller.

In about an hour or so

[skitter30]

ok catching up now

[skitter30]

Off the top of my head, my experience is with them is at like...
3 miller fake claims vs 2 miller real claims
And the fake claims were quite traumatizing and painful

I also don't like the "newbie appeal" that cinnamon put into his fakeclaim as a finishing touch and cherry on top.

this is bad

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It's not so much that I don't understand how to play a miller it's that I don't understand why I'm a miller and something else.

townie

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I am Town Detective Pikachu and I have a night 0 guilty on skitter30.

VOTE: skitter30

i know you're an alt but can you give me a ballpark of how many games we've played together: one, some, a lot, etc?

or not even that but how well you know my game?

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This isn't rvs! This is a night 0 guilty. Skitter killed someone in pregame

For shame, sir, to imply that my vote is just random

ok

should we let the pair of you self resolve and wagon someone else for the time being?

? what do you mean by self-resolve?

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*sighs*
@Skitter, can you kindly confirm that

Night 0 actions are not normal and can't be possible in this game

you didn't kill pika's partner last night?

I liked it better when we weren't in RVS

also bad

w/e. scum fake claiming

so's this ...
i don't really think you actually think that's scum fake-claiming miller

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nero is kinda townie i think
urap i'm kinda gut-scumreading

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Who do you think is scum, cinnabunny?

I don't have any scum reads at the moment but I think what Vorkuta is doing here is likely to come from a town agenda. I also like urap2 but I feel that way whenever I read a game with him in it.

why is vork's push on you likely to come from a town agenda?

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new page

[skitter30]

Oh rip I missed the pagetop

whoops, sorry

[skitter30]

Boom.
In no universe does town ever agree with me here.
You are doing everything you can to appease the red giant and get me off your case at any cost.
Nuke Mic Drop

I think this is actually kind of townie..

it's been feeling pretty tvt to me mate

? i don't really see much townie in vork's push there .... ?

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i think this might be town flubber?

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This miller push is gross, Vorkuta is making up reasons to continue pushing this and also grandstanding about how confident he should be in this. Nero Cain's play is gross, would vote there too.

VOTE: Vorkuta

what don't you like about nero?

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kinda think town!buj too

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Why are there sad people when there's super convenient wifi

I have arrived

scummy entrance

feels like an experienced player's version of "hey guys!"

like, oh man I'm late to the thread again. time to present as confident

??? why is this a scummy entrance ....?
if anything i can see the post about timezones to be a scummy entrance of this kind but why is *this* post scummy?

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I can see Vork's point about the "Don't know how to play this" comment at the beginning, but the rest of the points I don't really get.

saame

and this is to dunnstral, too: What's the scum!motivation for this push? is scum!vorkuta trying to get an early D1 lynch on a miller claim he knows is real?

idk but his push doesn't feel real really
or like something he actually believes ....
like fine, suppose the claim is fake ... not sure why he's taking the angle that it's scum fake-claiming it and not town lol-fake-claiming it?

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urap still feels weird
saladman is kinda townie i think; don't think the jumping on someone he just proclaimed a townread comes from scum really
still like nero

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new post

[skitter30]

what don't you like about nero?

The way he was following along with Vorkuta and voting the miller/pr claim

he has a playstyle that i don't find naturally easy to read, i will admit, but all in all i think he's town here

[skitter30]

He's "questioning" "mediating" "big picture friendlying" and a" bunch of other words " without providing too much AI info at this stage.
Granted it's really early and maybe he needs time to rev up a bit

do lumberjacks do that with chainsaws?

, but he gut pings me as scummy for his playstyle.

i kinda hate like all of your posts actually

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nom is pretty townie too i think

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I don't need reasons to vote people, especially in D1.
Neither do most people on site (due to uncontested naked votes being status quo)

Plus this is scumhunting and mafia 101
wagons -> associations -> finds -> hops on & off -> flips -> VCAs

you're making up reasons to vote the wagon du jour tho (first cinn, now urap)

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isn't that at least a slight cause for concern?

-neither has skitter
-he's a troll/parody alt so dealing with this slot is going to be very fun. A pika lynch is a policy lynch tbh

a) i mean ... i was v/la without internet access for three days, this is absoluely the same thing, i agree
b) he's fully capable of putting out real and readable content, despite the gimmick alt, the fact that he hasn't really is kinda meh

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Page 12 ego game solve for the post-game brag:

Town: nomnom, cinnamon, skitter, dunn, nero cain, evil D, flubber, vork

Leftovers: urap, saladman, teacher, Pikachu

VOTE: Pikachu

not sure i've ever gotten a townread *before* i posted for the first time before ...
except for like vork and evil d i actually like these townreads overall i think

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Reminder that

The ratings are tongue in cheek to express my disapproval for nomx3's bad push on urap2 that I just don't buy.

Fuck it- my meta read on urap2 is based on a newbie game anyway, and seeing where this wagon leads us is interesting
VOTE: urap2

lol these are townie

so the fact that you're townreading things i find scummy is beginning to concern me

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i don't really get the push on teacher tbh

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snip

I’m offline tonight for real life but I LOVE this post.

Yes I’m being useless w my vote. It is still on my RVS for familiarity. I haven’t gotten scum tingles yet. Actually the better way to word that is that I feel scum has been active (this hasn’t all felt tvt) but they haven’t localized yet.

I’m town on cinnamon from their reaction to my push on their claim, and on urap and one other (blanking on who rn) for melding on that reaction. I wasn’t crazy about the commie sheeping, but this post totally redeemed you for that point of view.

I’m offline for my last night of real work this semester. I will be back tomorrow. But thank you for this.

actually this is a really weird post
not sure scummy-weird but like .... tonally feels really wrong weird

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The case on pikachu is stronger objectively and much more clearly specific to this game.

I don't know if there was enough in Nero's iso to even call it a case??

A "case" is just a reason or a set of reasons. I'm scumreading him b/c he's sitting on an empty slot. Its a safe place to vote and you don't risk angering an OMGUS's town. What are even your reasons for scum reading anyone?

i mean, it's not like i'd omgus him back or anything

[skitter30]

ok i'm caught up, ama

townie: nom, nero, maybe dunn, maybe buj, probably flubber, cinn, maybe salad
scummy: vork, kinda urap

everyone i forgot they exist or i don't have a read on them

VOTE: vork

[skitter30]

Anyone want to jam with me about their vorkuta read?

ok, how are you reading him?

[skitter30]

ppl complain about my "playstyle" but I don't see what's wrong with it and no one really tells me what bothers them.

nothing's wrong with it, and it doesn't bother me, it's just one that i find hard to read
reminds me of firebringers

just like very casual and like ... unstressed? is maybe a good word? relaxed? very conversant
people with these styles tend to post similarly as both alignments and i find it hard to read ai-ness out of this conversant type of style

[skitter30]

Anyone want to jam with me about their vorkuta read?

ok, how are you reading him?

Struggling. Leaning scum, but mostly by assuming theres is a scum being active and Im town on the other people I think are contributing content. I disagree with you on URAP. I think he was spot on the play with Cinnamon, and shared a valid meta-read on me that I wouldnt expect him to contribute from a scum position.

ok
a) so is this like a poe-read?
b) do you have stronger scumreads? if not, can i interest you in voting vork?
c) urap townreading vork is kinda ???? weird because i don't really see what's townie there and it's concerning me that his read there differs so wildly from mine
d) you/urap don't really feel tvt i think?

[skitter30]

@detective pikachu do you like town or scum more?

[skitter30]

u r a person 2 (3):

teacher, Nero Cain, Saladman27

Vorkuta (3):

skitter30, Dunnstral, nomnomnom

teacher (1):

Cinnamon

nomnomnom (1):

Vorkuta

skitter30 (1):

Detective Pikachu

Detective Pikachu (1):

NerfedBuJ

NerfedBuJ (1):

u r a person 2

Not Voting (2):

EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

oh i forgot to say

@ofrhz regular vla fridays/saturdays

(i think you know but just making it official-like)

[skitter30]

(that was very fakeable for me!)

[skitter30]

B. Not really on stronger scumreads. I was impressed by how many players you claim to have leans on, but maybe you have meta flavor. For example - BuJaber has one post. Why do you lean him town?

bujaber = nerfedbujaber, that was an altslip on his part

and i just call him buj

any other reads of mine u want to talk about?

[skitter30]

i like that while i was reading thru his posts voiced a lot of my thoughts (esp about vork!)

[skitter30]

i like that while i was reading thru his posts voiced a lot of my thoughts (esp about vork!)

Is that a reason for most of your townreads?

a couple
dunn
you at least in part
i think those were the only two that stemmed from that reasoning

[skitter30]

Cool. Salad? I didnt like the jump from a TR to wagon justified as I dont know what Im doing/Normal meta. Then again, Ive only played two normals so they might be right. I def am not beyond null there. And Im surprised by the number of slots I have seen leaning town.

never played with him, idk his meta
good tone, some of his posts just feel really townie, don't think scum decide to lolwagon someone they'd just declared a scumread; they're usually more conscientious about this sort of thing

[skitter30]

Eh, I dont buy that b/c WIFOM, but fair enough. Anything for me?

any spicy townreads you'd like to share?

[skitter30]

I'll be honest I have a hard time taking someone's townreads when they are doing it on people that have max a few posts. FMPOV that sounds absolutely insane but maybe that's just because I find it extremely tedious to sort that sort of slot, so you know.

I think I agree with the case on Vork but not much else, that's where I stand right now.

not sure what u mean/are referring to by the first paragraph, sorry

[skitter30]

Calling it-> {skitter, nom x3, 1 of teacher/Dunn}
Perfect and easy way for the entire scum team to collapse on one person, amazing VCA/wagonomics potential, 10/10 move.
I've seen it, and I've done it before

Bunny can resolve later -> I've hit gold with the skitter chainsaw

vote me then

[skitter30]

Nom x3 first as she basically outright scum claimed
Then you after nom flips red

like nothing you've posted feels like something you actually believe

[skitter30]

buj is ... feels kinda similar to his towngame; this is the one of the three i'm least confident on
salad feels kinda new; his posts feel really idk the right word, guileless/pure/agenda-less; don't feel like they come from newbscum; the flip from townreading urap to voting him is really weird to come from scum
flubber's drunk thing i don't think was faked; some of his posts just had ... really weird thought-processes to be making up while drunk and scum, can kinda see them coming from drunk!town tho

[skitter30]

feels like something you actually believe

You've become an expert in tone reading me when exactly?

never claimed to be, but i have a hard time believing that you actually believe a lot of what you're posting

[skitter30]

oh *do tell* how it's disgusting

[skitter30]

... do you not know that n0's aren't a thing in normals or ...?

[skitter30]

vork i'm kinda confused how you're reading me

[skitter30]

? i don't really see much townie in vork's push there .... ?

Vorkuta's push was bad, but I don't see scum motivation there?

i mean idk if i inherently see scum motivation (ie why go out to kill the miller claim? idk) but like ... he was pushing the miler claim from the angle that it's scum fake-claiming and it just seems so improbable here that i'm having trouble seeing why he'd even think that

[skitter30]

and it just seems so improbable here that i'm having trouble seeing why he'd even think that

great now you as well... again

Off the top of my head, my experience is with them is at like...
3 miller fake claims vs 2 miller real claims
And the fake claims were quite traumatizing and painful

ok
and did the 3 fake ones come from town or scum?

[skitter30]

never played with him, idk his meta
good tone, some of his posts just feel really townie, don't think scum decide to lolwagon someone they'd just declared a scumread; they're usually more conscientious about this sort of thing

that's part of my town read on vorkuta, ya =P

yeah but vork is missing the good tone
and he's pushed two different wagons for icky reasons now

also @vork i was townreading u in c9++, but also wasn't thinking about u too much
don't think i actually scumread u in jazz so much as pushed u as a semi-compromise when my other wagons stalled until ur wagon became gross and i left it

incidentally i like the wagon comp

[skitter30]

i mean idk if i inherently see scum motivation (ie why go out to kill the miller claim? idk) but like ... he was pushing the miler claim from the angle that it's scum fake-claiming and it just seems so improbable here that i'm having trouble seeing why he'd even think that

Is town fake claiming miller a thing?

like, if it's good for town to honestly claim miller, then it's also good for scum to sometimes fakeclaim miller. I pretty confident cinn is town, but if cinn isn't a miller, then they are probably scum not town. Even if you disagree with that, i don't think it's nuts for someone to approach it that way.

it's nice to have you here btw =)

i'm p sure i've seen town lolclaim miller before

maybe i don't have a good sense for how vork plays?

[skitter30]

and thanks

[skitter30]

It's the "Im MODIFIED miller" modification to the classic fake miller claim

... but why do scum do this at that stage, unprompted, largley not under pressure?

[skitter30]

i'm p sure i've seen town lolclaim miller before

Well I haven't *shrugs*
Unless you count the town!FL's "tinker tailor soldier spy, miller mason vig cop" nonsense in every game

... but why do scum do this at that stage, unprompted, largley not under pressure?

Oh boy I swear I've explained this so well that even fucking bunny himself gets it by now
-to subvert the traditional "naked miller claim" and put a new spin on it
-to provide "LAMIST" insurance in the form of "IM MODIFIED"
-to gain even more "LAMIST" points via the "hey guys, I'm totally keeping scum guessing amirite" appeal
-how the hell should I know what ridiculous/next-level plan they came up with?

so the important bit is that i find it significantly more likely for the modified thing to come from town who has some sort of compound/modifier role, than scum deciding to try out a new spin on ye old fake miller claim. also they're new to the site ... i find it really hard to believe that they knew how to subvert the 'fake-claim miller as scum' meta in just that way in one of their first games here - like it reads really authentic, and i'd be p surprised if new-to-the-site scum could fake it in a way that rang true like that

and i don't think the modified claim read as lamist at all, it read p real to me

where have you even seen scum fake-claim miller 3 different tiems? i don't think i've ever seen that?

[skitter30]

It's the "Im MODIFIED miller" modification to the classic fake miller claim

... but why do scum do this at that stage, unprompted, largley not under pressure?

i don't understand. it's like any fake claim.if you're gonna fake claim miller you better do it right away

no, the modified 'miller is only part of my role' part, not the fake-claiming miller part

[skitter30]

@vork ok but then he decided to enter the game with his partners and be like: 'hey i'm going to lolclaim miller for the lolz, help me modify the claim so it's not the standard claim, and help me make the claim nuanced enough that it doesn't read fake' ?

none of it reads planned to me, and i find that scenario p unlikely

[skitter30]

How many villains have you seen announce their arrival publicly and grandeously though? That was a totally innocent move that only comes from town.

A50- Jazz mafia
Literally waltzes in and says "hi I'm scum" in his very first post.
Eats rope.
Is actually scum

i mean that was also very different context

[skitter30]

anyway can you link me the fake miller claims?

[skitter30]

i know you're an alt but can you give me a ballpark of how many games we've played together: one, some, a lot, etc?

or not even that but how well you know my game?

I've played with you enough that sorting you day 1 is my #1 priority, let's say that

also... uh, you should know it's at least one given [reasons you should be able to figure out]

well i meant more on your main

nero is kinda townie i think
urap i'm kinda gut-scumreading

can you expand on these two a bit?

i like nero's pushes, and he seems v forthwrite and like he's saying exactly what's on his mind, no matter how unpopular it may be. ie he doesn't seem to be adjusting his posting to make himself more likeable and/or popular and/or to target an audience

that I should be aware of?

No. absolutely none whatsoever, these are all inside jokes.
Proceed to continue on with your usual playstyle, and don't be afraid of skitter.

also don't look at her banner

also she solo carries town games

ngl i find this to be weird
not really scummy-weird or game-relevant weird, i guess, just kinda weird that you keep talking about me this way

[skitter30]

I guess salad should be with ED for needing more content but I dislike Saladman less because his opening didn't give me expectations of an active player

There should be a word for "that feeling when you don't really think you should call someone null but you also have no read on them" cause that's how I feel about teacher

I feel like I should be leaning one way or the other on him but I'm really not lol

kinda think these are townie posts

[skitter30]

well the one thing i'm not sure of is whether or not i'm giving u towncred for a personality thing
like idk if you'd post this way as scum too

but in a vaccuum i think it's more likely than not to be town

[skitter30]

i think i had townvibes earlier on salad, i kinda lost them

[skitter30]

Either he is scum's pick for day 1 mislynch

Why would scum pick town!vorkuta as a day 1 mislynch? I mean objectively speaking if you were scum here, wouldn't your mind go towards the more lurk-ish people, where it's easier to make a case on? Because that's definitely easier than to go against a player like vorkuta here.

Because you get the loud/good players out of the way early, so you can mislynch the lurky players later with little resistance. You always try to mislynch/kill those with thread presence early.

hey, do u have any reads u'd like to share?

[skitter30]

I guess I'll give Vork this point, it's that people only followed Vork's case when Skitter appeared in the thread and made that case despite me presenting the exact same arguments. THAT is strange.

tbh that fact alone means that if vork is actually town, teacher is probably 100% scum here. And even then that kind of observation makes me think that it could be an equally good lynch for today.

I feel like I missed a post or something, how does that make teacher scum?

When you have two people making the same case but the one that was made later down the road with the exact same argument has a player joining it simply because it actually took off this time, that's scummy. And that's what teacher did here.

tbf the two people voting when u pushed it were {you/dunn}
the people voting when i pushed it were {me/you/dunn} until teacher voted

so i'm not sure that it really 'took off' before teacher voted there given that the wagon comp was exactly the same + me

[skitter30]

ITT everyone tries to appease skitter

*ahem*

still weird

[skitter30]

When you have two people making the same case but the one that was made later down the road with the exact same argument has a player joining it simply because it actually took off this time, that's scummy. And that's what teacher did here.

You say this, but isn't a simple explanation that he just townreads skitter more than he townreads you and so was more willing to sheep her?

Vork is right that scum can be tempted to sheep skitter, assuming she's town, but the reason they do that is because... town often sheeps skitter.

I don't think sheeping skitter is AI in general, and I don't think teacher sheeping a player he townreads is SI for him in particular.

That being said he's still unreadable so I don't mind pressure there but I wouldn't go like, full crusade mode.

i don't think sheeping me is inherently ai either
i do think taht if i'm pushing a mislynch it tends to get a lot of traction tho (and then i get spooked by lack of wagon resistance and hop off, it's a whole thing)

since this is a thing i now do sometimes try to bait bad votes tho to see what turns up
none of them were egregiously bad rn i think; teacher's was the worst but not bad enough that i'm going to inherently call him scum for it; like it is a vote that scum can make but it doesn't *exclusively* come from scum if that makes sense

honestly i'm kinda surprised that the wagon didn't go higher - a lot of people have proclaimed vork to be a scumread but have expressed reluctance in actually voting him

[skitter30]

You say this, but isn't a simple explanation that he just townreads skitter more than he townreads you and so was more willing to sheep her?

I find that argument really dumb because the argument is the same regardless of who says it. Really, Skitter and I had the same reads but somehow this wagon had Dunn and Teacher actually joined it this time. Dunn had a solid read on Vork but teacher did not. You're going to argue sheeping a player because of their perceived townieness is not at least questionable?

going to point out that dunn was on it after you pushed it; you seem to have forgotten that

[skitter30]

Skitter was town because her vork read took off...

sorry?

also y is vork now a townlean?

[skitter30]

Skitter was town because her vork read took off...

Town reading someone for successfully starting a wagon
Give me a tiny bit more or I'll flat out formally accuse you of putting this here just to try and

suck up to skitter

and again ... is this because of jazz mafia or ...?

[skitter30]

Partially but not entirely

Like you're a pretty damn "not bad" player and the general consensus opinion (of other players) is that you're a real town powerhouse.
Decent players even tend to play around you.

The way OTHER PEOPLE approach your slot can be really informative- that's all I'm saying.
Like saladman flat out admits to townbinning you for no reason whatsoever, and the teacher sheep seemingly out of the blue with little desire to engage yours truly also makes me *hmm*

I'm obviously not going to be able to sort your slot today, however I can observe at how other players are behaving around you.

the random townbin was weird, yeah
teacher sheep wasn't particularly out of the ordinary tbh

u just seem to be hyper-aware of how people are interacting with me and you didn't do it in jazz mafia so i was like ???

[skitter30]

i can see buj sincerely believing that policying the miller claim day before lylo is optimal

(i just saw him park on someone he was townreading because they claimed scum so)

[skitter30]

ok, why are they townie?

[skitter30]

i mean that's why i'm asking why you like his reads ... to me they read kinda banal and like the reasons were nonsensical/didn't actually explain the read

[skitter30]

urap do u think i should be townreading u here?

[skitter30]

i don't really have a strong read on him rn
don't really see the scumread that you're pushing really atm; none of it has been really compelling to me

i guess if i had to articulate a read i'd say ~nulltown but it's not strong

pedit yeah

[skitter30]

no idea, never played with him before

the reasons he gave kinda sounded like he made them up on the spot tho
like he didn't have conviction behind most of his reads and when pressured, his reads defaulted to 'well i guess other people were townreading them so i will too' etc

[skitter30]

ok, let me know what u think when u get a chance

[skitter30]

to both of u

[skitter30]

VOTE: evildeanius

[skitter30]

no idea, never played with him before

the reasons he gave kinda sounded like he made them up on the spot tho
like he didn't have conviction behind most of his reads and when pressured, his reads defaulted to 'well i guess other people were townreading them so i will too' etc

I agree that he did that. I'll take another look tonight or tomorrow. I just wanted to catch up here rq but today was busy and tomorrow is going to be too

I could see this coming from scum, but from a personality perspective I think the loss of conviction when pressured is probably more likely to come from town!salad. also, this is just a slot better suited to being solved d2 and onwards imo

VOTE: evildeanius

sooooooo this kind of sheeping makes me nervous

[skitter30]

teacher (4):

Cinnamon, Saladman27, nomnomnom,
Nero Cain

EvilDeanius (3):

Detective Pikachu, skitter30,
u r a person 2

Vorkuta (2):

Dunnstral, teacher

Detective Pikachu (1):

NerfedBuJ

Flubbernugget (1):

Vorkuta

Not Voting (2):

EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

going to bed soonish, will prob be around for ~15 min or so

[skitter30]

cuz i have no idea what ur thoughts are on him and u voted him right after i did

[skitter30]

Urap how are you reading me?

[skitter30]

Nero, i'm going to take a closer look at that in the morning

[skitter30]

I'm sorry, but this just feels so much like a scum strat.Why is he town again?

I'm not really townreading him
I'm not scumreafing him either; most of what u said here just isnt super compelling to me

[skitter30]

Urap how are you reading me?

I'm not even really trying yet, skitter.
I think you're easily in your town and scum ranges

Ngl this post kinda makes me want to vote u ...

Why arent u trying to read me yet?

[skitter30]

This might be the first thing you've said that's pretty townie, because it's not something I would typically expect scum to come up with for a fake case.

I didnt really see that post as being townie tbh; dont think it's a weird thing for scum to fake either really

[skitter30]

I guess I'll give Vork this point, it's that people only followed Vork's case when Skitter appeared in the thread and made that case despite me presenting the exact same arguments. THAT is strange.

tbh that fact alone means that if vork is actually town, teacher is probably 100% scum here. And even then that kind of observation makes me think that it could be an equally good lynch for today.

I feel like I missed a post or something, how does that make teacher scum?

When you have two people making the same case but the one that was made later down the road with the exact same argument has a player joining it simply because it actually took off this time, that's scummy. And that's what teacher did here.

tbf the two people voting when u pushed it were {you/dunn}
the people voting when i pushed it were {me/you/dunn} until teacher voted

so i'm not sure that it really 'took off' before teacher voted there given that the wagon comp was exactly the same + me

@nom: still dont really understand the 'teacher voted the wagon after it started taking off' narrative

[skitter30]

Lynch pool for me as of rn is Teacher/Pika. I've not really disliked anyone on teacher's wagon so I can see it being pure, whereas Pika is kinda just gut atm. There's not alot there that I particularly dislike but there was a point where people seemed to start talking about him for lack of proper content, at which point he then switched to pushing on others who also hadn't done anything/alot. The timing just seems like a deflection to me, it seems off.

i kinda think that a lot of pika's posts are like ... subtly townie
there's nothing that i can point to as being a smoking gun that just shouts: he's town!

but on balance a lot of his posts seem to be coming from a townie mindset, or approaching things from a townie frame of mind, or picking up on things that i think a townie would notice

and there's a bunch of minor posts like that

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Who is town reading Skitter? Like, yes, I know town can be wrong. It's possible that I'm wrong about Teacher but isn't there the slightest possibility that she's just scum?

say this again? i'm not following the connection ur drawing between me and teacher

[skitter30]

no longer townleaning flubber

[skitter30]

didn't u have a grasp of my scumgame in tris's game that just ended ...?
(ie reading me based on making posts that u thought were outside my scumrange)
that's why i'm confused why ur reading me differently here

[skitter30]

@urap are you voting evil because *i* am, or because other people are voting him (incidentally including me)?

[skitter30]

not pocketing so much as figuring out how to ... work around me if ur scum

and i'm not sure yet if i think you are; i'm still mulling it over

[skitter30]

i'm still mulling it over

You just gave me deja vu

Subject: micro 858: silver 3 (ended game)

The three worst slots in the game are on starwing and u2 literally just said "I'm pondering"

a) i'm not sure what you're trying to highlight
b) i'm actually not sure if i wrote that or not - i can't tell if it was me or rc, i think it was rc

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Who is town reading Skitter? Like, yes, I know town can be wrong. It's possible that I'm wrong about Teacher but isn't there the slightest possibility that she's just scum?

say this again? i'm not following the connection ur drawing between me and teacher

It's really simple. You are kinda....fence sitting on him and FMPOV it wouldn't be impossible that you're his scum buddy.

I looked and there's not alot in your iso about him.

You called his 333 weird but not scummy.

And as far as I can tell you just kinda null read him. And then when I made my case you were are like "nope, not convincing"

Can you talk about your feelings on him?

basically hard null
like there's some things that i find kinda scummy (esp. the fencesitting) but i can't tell rn if that's a playstyle thing or not

i'm aware that if he flips scum i'll prob be scumread for my interactions with him but like ... i'm not going to make up a read on him to change that

i just don't have strong feelings either way

also i look at the wagon on him and just feel :/ which doesn't super encourage me to join it

[skitter30]

teacher (4): Cinnamon, Saladman27, nomnomnom, Nero Cain

salad + i don't think i townread nom that strongly

overall the comp doesn't feel that good to me

and the timing of the unvote is a little weird, yeah

[skitter30]

686 and 694 saying there was a non vorkuta associative should give you a sense.

I’m not calling it scum because I’m not sure I’m right on Vork,

but if either flip red is really look at this.

well it's posts like these that feel kinda fence-sitt-y to me

[skitter30]

oh i don't think i realized that cinn had unvoted too

[skitter30]

i kinda scumread this and townread this at the same time ^^^

[skitter30]

Cinnamon is still p townie imo

[skitter30]

There's not alot there that I particularly dislike but there was a point where people seemed to start talking about him for lack of proper content, at which point he then switched to pushing on others who also hadn't done anything/alot. The timing just seems like a deflection to me, it seems off.

This is a good observation insofar as people pushing me for content when I don't really feel like doing things on day 1 tends to work, but I don't think it's a great reason to "gut" scumread me

Can you expand on your Vork townread (given you list him as TvT with nomnom)? That's been the basis for a good part of Dunn's iso so it would help me if you could comment on whether you see Dunn's push as townie if Vork town is one of your stronger/only reads.

Vork seems town because I feel like they would be more cautious about their pushes as scum. I don't think scum immediately attacks a miller claim in the way that they did, they just sort of let it sit for a while. They've also been very self assured of their pushes, and I think that comes with someone who cares more about lynching scum than just appearing townie.

Do u have any scumreads? Iirc you're still not voting?

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I just finished a game with her when the scums basically tip-toed around her and instantly night-killed her given the first opportunity. The scums later down that game invoked that game argument over and over again that "skitter is an extremely good player" and used that as a discrediting tactic when I tried bringing some flaws that happened in that day 1.

ya this is a thing that's been happening recently; kinda weird to be on the receiving end of it

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Wooooow
Skitter's entrance has turned this game into "let's go sheep skitter"

Wagon speed onto vorkuta at around this point didnt feel right

Too fast or stalling?

Fast

Most people voting Vorkuta were people who previously expressed interest in voting Vorkuta

This is some bad analysis, and it seems like you're just defending vorkuta

I don't think testing the waters as to whether or not the game can get a wagon on a player that's prone to omgus and 1v1s is a good look either

. Is that the only reason you find the vork wagon acceptable?

sorry, who is the bolded referring to?

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VOTE: flubber

[skitter30]

I still don't think the vork wagon happened too fast, but whatever

Also that's not really why i'm viting you, more that i dont really like most of ur posts this morning, and incidentally i wanted to know what u meabt by that post

[skitter30]

Hey, not catching up tonight, will be here tom

[skitter30]

ok catching up now

[skitter30]

still feel p good about town!pika

[skitter30]

i mean idk if i inherently see scum motivation (ie why go out to kill the miller claim? idk) but like ... he was pushing the miler claim from the angle that it's scum fake-claiming and it just seems so improbable here that i'm having trouble seeing why he'd even think that

I just grabbed the first related quote I found but this whole argument I found suspect. Skitter have disagreed plenty on reads, and I sometimes think she is a bit stubborn holding onto her reads, so I don't think this is necessarily out of her town range

but it doesn't make sense to me to argue that vorkuta should have considered that cinn could have been town fake claiming

while also saying that it's implausible that cinn would fake claim as scum

there's at least one other thing that I remember pinging me

i think i had townvibes earlier on salad, i kinda lost them

i just went in the opposite direction, so... why? =P

oh yeah the saladman read

I thought those reads were pretty townie and I'm surprised that skitter didn't

so ... you're calling me scummy for something that i'm calling *you* scummy for ... but like delayed by half a week? if this was bothering you why didn't u bring it up a while ago? like iirc there was a fairly decent gap between whent hose things happened and when you're calling me out on it, and iirc in between u basically said u didn't have a read on me

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Seriously, give me a weighted board read - who do you fully town? Who do you only lean?

Etc. that dodge of an answer simply preserves your flexibility.

? i don't think he dodged ur question at all; the bolded feels like shade to me

[skitter30]

You'd be surprised how many games can be solved through sort by activity lol

I literally just ended a game where a PoE was formed by activity and we ended up lynching a townie in the list and it all went downhill from there so you know I have very close to no faith when it comes to sorting by activity.

If anything that makes me think this is probably the worst way to go about things, especially given that I like going through interactions and that pushing a lurky-ish player on day 1 when you have pleeeeenty of things to read is really ew.

yes, but we happened to lynch the one townie in the pool of 3; the method wasn't wrong, the specific implementation of it was

i mean besides for it being an eh underwhelming lynch, do u have something against it?

[skitter30]

like do u townread him or just don't want to lynch a lurker?

[skitter30]

thought I saw a townie post but now I'm wondering if I was hallucinating cause I can't find it: Vorkuta

Is your entire read on me this game going to be based on like 1 post in particular?
So you're going to ignore my pushes, how I try to engage, what I try to do with associations and whatnot
and just focus on one post to form your entire opinion on me?

vork who is scum ???

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The dude read my post and refused to comment

on Dunn

.

FTFY
TL;DR his slot

Like yes- I am in agreement that cherrypicking which random posts/parts-of-posts to reply to and which to selectively ignore (all of them) is scummy.
HOWEVER his ISO has a high signal-noise ratio.
That's it pretty much my distinction between ED and flubber
I'm hoping he actually pops in and engages more, but I like how his content has quality in it.
Unlike flubber

how do u feel about bussing?

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I personally think that flubber's drunk posting and then "soberposting" comes from scum.

y?

i thought that was the towniest part of his iso tbh?

[skitter30]

kinda think vork/ed may be svs?

[skitter30]

You'd be surprised how many games can be solved through sort by activity lol

I literally just ended a game where a PoE was formed by activity and we ended up lynching a townie in the list and it all went downhill from there so you know I have very close to no faith when it comes to sorting by activity.

If anything that makes me think this is probably the worst way to go about things, especially given that I like going through interactions and that pushing a lurky-ish player on day 1 when you have pleeeeenty of things to read is really ew.

yes, but we happened to lynch the one townie in the pool of 3; the method wasn't wrong, the specific implementation of it was

i mean besides for it being an eh underwhelming lynch, do u have something against it?

Not really, but that point is pretty big.

like do u townread him or just don't want to lynch a lurker?

The latter. It would still feel REALLY bad for me to go for this lynch today, but eh.

sorry i didn't see this in the pedits - i feel like that sometimes too, that lynching a lurker would be an underwhelming end to the day

but he's done .... nothing basically, and worse than that, as pika pointed out, he's selectively respondign to things
i feel like that makes it worse than the average lurking
and i'm kinda feeling i might end up voting there when i finish reading

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I thought vork had voted me but went back after saying that. I do believe scum has voted me and my pick for that slot is nom, which is why I’m asking many slots about then. They are germttibg townread by slots I townread so I need to see the reasoning behind that.

this is a spicy read ... why do u think nom may be scum?

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Vorkuta (4):

skitter30, Dunnstral, nomnomnom,
teacher

u r a person 2 (1):

Nero Cain

teacher (1):

Cinnamon

nomnomnom (1):

Vorkuta

Detective Pikachu (1):

NerfedBuJ

NerfedBuJ (1):

u r a person 2

EvilDeanius (1):

Detective Pikachu

Not Voting (3):

EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget,
Saladman27

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

I also might add that it adds up to NC's earlier argument for a teacher scumread that his vote served no true purpose and was a placeholder so yeah, this is definitely the kind of thing that catches my attention. Skitter tends to be highly respected in these games and I think it could play a huge psychological factor in people's decision making here.

Hmmmm.

You seem to acknowledge to a similar degree what I was getting at, but still come to a wildly different conclusion. I'd love to talk about this but honestly I don't wven know what to ask

You know actually I think this is the post I was thinking of. I couldn't find it in vork's iso cause flubber wrote it lol. I must have been pretty out of it yesterday morning

Idk flubber isn't flaming town but these interactions with nom aren't really that bad

I'd like to see skitter's thoughts on this post but I think she's doing her v/la thing until monday at this point

well to sunday
i don't really have significant thoguhts on this post
i feel like i should but i just don't

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teacher (3): nomnomnom, Nero Cain, NerfedBuJ
EvilDeanius (3): Detective Pikachu, u r a person 2, teacher
Flubbernugget (3): Vorkuta, skitter30, Cinnamon

huh

i would bet on at least one scum in teacher/ed/flubber

with ed > flubber > teacher being the most likely i think?

[skitter30]

*grumbles disapprovingly*
VOTE: Dunn
-Beetlejuice & Activity
-Please do something other than tunnel me

no, bad vote

[skitter30]

VOTE: evildeanius

[skitter30]

it's basically the same, but i feel like the push doesn't have super much traction

i kinda dislike evildeanius too

also ngl i kinda think the fact that flubber *didn't* get quite as much traction is scum-indicative

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he could be scum or lynchbait, sure

i don't know where else i want to vote rn tho

would u be interested in flubber? i could go onto vork too i think

i'm not really feeling teachrer rn; out of all the leading wagons that's the one i'm feeling hte least

[skitter30]

ok

VOTE: vork

[skitter30]

nom, how are u reading urap?

[skitter30]

Ya

I dont think i'm interested in lynching him today but i'm not getting super great vibes from him either

[skitter30]

salad, can u update me on ur reads?

[skitter30]

ehhhhh actually i'm not really feeling this either

VOTE: flubber

also @vork i think me and buj are in wildly different timezones

[skitter30]

Idk i'm not feeling this either really ...

[skitter30]

Pile it on

This isnt a reaction that comes from scum i think?

[skitter30]

VOTE: vork

[skitter30]

y aren't u voting?

[skitter30]

I don't know where to vote rn
I'm p sure there's scum in flubber/ed/vork/teacher based on gamestate and stalling wagons

Not sure which one is best to vote

[skitter30]

Ok i'm going to try this and i'll see how i feel about it

VOTE: teacher

[skitter30]

Do tell

When's rhe last time we played together?

[skitter30]

Teacher is the one on that list I'm not down to lynch

Can u get ur vote on someone in this group then?

[skitter30]

I didnt remember that was a thing tbh ... it's been a few months and i dont play with u regularly

I'll need to do some research on that tonight to see if it's still true

UNVOTE:

For now

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Do tell

When's rhe last time we played together?

This line, though a bit ago. Followed up in 381 in the same game.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10592516

oh wow, this really does seem to be a thing; i'd forgotten, sorry
ok

couple of follow-up questions:

a) i noticed that urap was in a bunch of games with you - what's his read accuracy on you like?
b) this might be a weird question - why do u think u died so often fairly early on in newbie games?

[skitter30]

What do you think about flubber's ED read/read on the ED wagon?

honestly if he's scum ... why doesn't he just hop on?

[skitter30]

*grumbles disapprovingly*
VOTE: Dunn
-Beetlejuice & Activity
-Please do something other than tunnel me

no, bad vote

What is your dunn read based on? I don't have much meta experience here

i like his vork read
i also think his 'i don't give a fuck until we lynch this guy' ness is kinda townie

[skitter30]

Pile it on

This isnt a reaction that comes from scum i think?

Skitter, do you have much experience with flubber? I've interacted with him more outside of mafia games than in. I don't even know if we've played together before, but this fits with my personality read on him. I think he can make this post as either alignment

and he kind of has to after that post I yikes'd lol

a bit, not that much.
he's kinda lynch-bait-y sometimes imo
but like idk if he's scum i'm not sure what he's doing here really
also i don't feel like scum!him asks to be wagoned

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VOTE: EvilD

I guess I'll make the first step towards building a cohesive town then.

EvilD is the more problematic slot in the pool you guys want to go for so I guess this is our lynch today.

i think i saw that the slot is getting replaced - i'd prefer for that to happen before lynching the slot

[skitter30]

EvilDeanius (4):

Detective Pikachu, u r a person 2,
teacher, Cinnamon

teacher (2):

Nero Cain, NerfedBuJ

Vorkuta (1):

Dunnstral

Flubbernugget (1):

Vorkuta

Dunnstral (1):

Saladman27

u r a person 2 (1):

Flubbernugget

Not Voting (3):

EvilDeanius, skitter30, nomnomnom

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

i'm not sure how good i feel about urap too

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i like his vork read
i also think his 'i don't give a fuck until we lynch this guy' ness is kinda townie

putting aside the vorkuta read, the second one is not a pro-town play style, and I don't know if I can think of a player who plays like this as town, can you?

I mean, we're not talking about just tunneling here. We're talking about what-is-the-point-of-playing nihilism until vorkuta gets lynched

This is probably just scum-indicative

I mean what scum have u seen have that mindset early in the game

[skitter30]

What do you think about flubber's ED read/read on the ED wagon?

honestly if he's scum ... why doesn't he just hop on?

doesn't want to be on a bad wagon or doesn't want to bus?

He was one of the cws earlier iirc, he could have hopped on without much suspicion i think

[skitter30]

skitter I feel like you should be townreading urap here, why are you struggling to do that?

Idk it takes a while to get to a townread if he's town and it hasnt clicked yet (ex: tris's game)

[skitter30]

Shoshin replaces EvilDeanius!

heya shoshin, it's been a while

[skitter30]

The slot was obvtown. It's concerning that you don't see that.

ok, eli5 why it was obvtown?

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I never replace into a slot that's scum. See, for example, https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11021122

I thought you'd know this, U2. You were in a recent game I replaced out of as scum after posting almost nothing substantive.

i mean that link kinda borders on a trust tell, but you know

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Can you talk to me about nom town? I actually was feeling it for most the game, I'm just kinda pinged by 1199 and don't get why she wrote that post that way as town. What makes her a strong townread for you?

i'm not sure i see what's bothering u here?

[skitter30]

ya

i'm still kinda of stuck on the trust tell, it feels kinda icky

[skitter30]

I don't care too much about being perceived as "icky," just stating the facts -- my choice to replace into this slot means it's very likely town, so much so that voting me is a bad idea.

i mean, it would help if you explained *why* you thought this slot was town

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What do you think of the prime suspect slots ( Teach and Flubber )?

i actually think they're both kinda town

flubber's saying a whole lot of impolitic stuff that isn't making him popular/liked/likely to be lynched if he's scum

and yeah teacher is sortable by post-count as far as i know (barring massive changes to his scumgame since the last time he played)

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I didn't tell the mod I wouldn't replace if scum so I don't think it's a trust tell. I don't see anything wrong with exclusively replacing into slots that I strongly townread? I also don't see anything wrong with using that fact to argue that I'm very likely town.

i mean the quote that you linked basically said you'd rep-out of scumgames so

and there's been other mafia-related ickiness today and i just don't really want to deal with it really

not sure if it's really relevant to anything or if i want to continue this convo there either really

[skitter30]

i mean if u think it's townie u should be able to say why

why am i town

[skitter30]

somewhere between nullscum and scumlean

why am i town

[skitter30]

the resisting answering thing isn't actually ai i'm pretty sure

i want to make sure that she actually has an answer tho

[skitter30]

also @teacher i asked why you think u usually die in newbies because as of rn i don't think u've played in a way that would lead u to being a prime nk target this game so i was wondering what the difference might be

[skitter30]

i want you to explain why i'm town, i'm not going to drop this one

[skitter30]

You're town because I want scum to consider killing you instead of me tonight. How's that for an answer?

god-awful, no offense

[skitter30]

i'm really, *really* wary of people townreading me for no good reason

[skitter30]

yeah so u know i have a wide scumrange, why are you townreading me here .... i literally just duped you for several dayphases till i got myself nk'd for being too townie

[skitter30]

i'm really, *really* wary of people townreading me for no good reason

You're easy to gutread town as either alignment tbf

i know

but scum tend to just lol-townread me because i'm not really mislynchable so random townreads that can't be explained (and are being used to try to buddy me!) make me nervous

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Also, Skitter. I was the main person pushing the idea that you were town in that game. You were "too townie" in part because I threw out a townread on you without actually meaning it. This is one of my strategies, and I don't usually talk about it openly but since you seemed intent on knowing, I'm telling you the truth. The townread is mostly a farce to make scum think you're town.

i mean ... are you basically trying to guarantee that scum will nk me (esp. over you?)

your slot isn't getting nk'd *any* time soon (and if you read enough to see that your slot was obvtown i feel like you should know this)

[skitter30]

I'd guess at least one scum in Pika/U2.

pika's town, i'm not sure about urap

[skitter30]

I'm no longer interested in voting teacher i think

Shoshin's frustrating me a bit

[skitter30]

I'm starting to wonder if there's scum in the mire active players

I guess i'm also starting to lose my townread on nero

[skitter30]

Shoshin why do you think I’m scum?

Lack of town tells.

I thought being genuinely bad was enough of a tell.

Ehhhhhh this kinda suggests u might be being bad on purpose ro get townread

[skitter30]

Despite this pika has softened and started flipping on his townread of me based on urap's case as far as I can tell.

Yeah i thought this was a little weird, ngl
Like p sure pika is town but i'm not sure how much this read was influenced by urap

[skitter30]

Urap should i be townreading u yet?

[skitter30]

Saladman does not approve the consumption of noodles

VOTE: Screamingnoodle

Saladman, can I just say that I appreciate you for having the best 1-post iso I have ever seen?

What do u think of nom's shoshin vote?

[skitter30]

I'll be around in like an hour

[skitter30]

in my limited exp. with Shosin she's a lurksack as town so the hyperactivity means this is prob scum.

VOTE: shoshin

This isnt really true; she siteflakes sometimes but this sort of posting is well within her townrange; idk if she can fake it as scum

[skitter30]

bleh i'm like ten pages behind

[skitter30]

so i kinda skimmed but didn't read carefully

pretty sure everything nom is scumreading her for is a personality-thing, and not actually an alighnment thing

i don't think she posts like this as scum and i don't think she fake-claims cop as scum

she's almost for sure gated in some way tho

it also kinda makes sense that she was trying to hype me up to make me more likely to be nk'd if she's a cop, but tbf, i think she would do that as just vt as town too

i'm going to read through now but if anyone has something they want me to address like now requote it or whatever

[skitter30]

Urap should i be townreading u yet?

I think I'm out of my past scum range, but I've got big plans for my next scumgame, so that range is about to widen significantly at some point =P

What if, and I'm just spit-balling here. What if you just link my alignment with shoshin. Like, we lynch shoshin and if she's green, you scum read me. When she flips town, though, I get universally town read

i mean ... do u still really want to do this?
i'm more confident on town!her than town!you rn

although tbf idk if scum!you says this knowing she'll flip green

[skitter30]

scum is sho, skitter and dp?

this is a god-awful read, no offense

[skitter30]

Urap struggles to generate organic townreads connected to specific points as scum so these posts are all fairly town indicative for him

Not 100% but I'd say my read on him for this is way above random for this game at least. Probably won't work in next but *shrug*

Skitter, what's your take on U2's scum meta? Do you agree with Pika's assessment?

i'm not sure if remember that specific point from his scum-game; i know that he as scum has a tendency to need to force himself to produce content and he just kinda lacks a game-solving wim that he has as town

[skitter30]

It's also a terrible idea to read players based on the difficulty of building wagons around them. There's only so many scum in a game to protect each other, and scum tend to bus their own in situations like this anyway.

strongly disagree but whatever

[skitter30]

oh teacher and urap aren't svs together i'm p sure

i think i could go back to teacher actually

[skitter30]

i mean ... do u still really want to do this?
i'm more confident on town!her than town!you rn

although tbf idk if scum!you says this knowing she'll flip green

I mean, I'm kind of thinking ya

Can you walk me through or point me at why she is so far out of her scum range?

basically i don't think she's capable of in-real-time interaction like this when she's (singleball) scum
and i don't think she has this much wim/drive to avoid a lynch as scum either

[skitter30]

As for desperation:

Cinn & Flub, please unvote me.

Your iso contains a bunch of accusatory statements against people that push you too. As in, scum-accusation statements. All of this makes me feel you're just scum and that this is the angle you adopted this game.

this isn't desperation, it's a personality thing

[skitter30]

As for desperation:

Cinn & Flub, please unvote me.

Your iso contains a bunch of accusatory statements against people that push you too. As in, scum-accusation statements. All of this makes me feel you're just scum and that this is the angle you adopted this game.

this isn't desperation, it's a personality thing

Scumreading people that push you is a personality thing?

Lynch-worthy personality.

no, the desperation

like you're calling her out on tone, i'm saying i have a fairly decent amount of experience with town!her having .... the exact same tone as this

i've never played with scum!her but i do this song-and-dance (ie defending her for bieng pushed for basically tone) each time, and the only time i was wrong was when she was 3p (and like the tells i use can't really differentiate between 3p!shoshin and town!shoshin becuase her scumhunting can look real as 3p)

the personality thing is *really* annoying to deal with, sure, but it isn't scummy for her

[skitter30]

It was like watching a phoenix wright case unfold

?

[skitter30]

ED was obviously laying low because he was a PR.

Please unvote.

no i'm p sure they just site-flaked

[skitter30]

You were appealing to emotion, and I really don't believe the 'ED was obvtown' statement

To be clear, whatever emotions I'm expressing are genuine. This isn't scummy, it's towny if anything.

I gave you evidence that I wouldn't replace a slot that I didn't townread. This evidence was from outside this game, so you know it's reliable. Why are you ignoring that?

i mean this is still kinda gross but whatever

pedit i have no idea if the claim is true or not, but i don't think she's scum

[skitter30]

give me a few minutes to look at that, never looked at that game before

[skitter30]

i haven't gotten that far yet but it's like .... leagues different
she doesn't display anything close to the nuance of thought she's had here

[skitter30]

VOTE: teacher

[skitter30]

i haven't gotten that far yet but it's like .... leagues different
she doesn't display anything close to the nuance of thought she's had here

can you expand on this? what do you see as nuance of thought from this game so far?

uh .... like all of it?

specific posts tho: 1583; 1452; 1453

... like her whole iso?

[skitter30]

Skitter, your take on Nero?

was townie before, idk rn

[skitter30]

her scum iso is pointless questoins that don't go anywhere
she almost has more posts in the last day than in 4 dayphases as scum in a large

she does this aggressive/confident thing as town that's kinda lacking in her scumgame

there's like no nuance in her scum iso, it's mostly trite and banal one-line observations
or like aggression in pushing reads

[skitter30]

ye I don't think I want sho to go today

skitter how you feeling about nom in this push?

idk rn
i can believe that she actually beleives what she's pushing, not sure if it comes from town or scum

i'm still like on p62 tho so i might change my mind

[skitter30]

Alright. Let's phrase it this way.

If this flips cop, you can 100% lynch me tomorrow and I'll even self-vote.

I am THAT sure she is fakeclaiming and scum. Is that clear enough?

not sure this comes from scum either really

[skitter30]

in my limited exp. with Shosin she's a lurksack as town so the hyperactivity means this is prob scum.

VOTE: shoshin

still isn't true

[skitter30]

Skitter, why do you say shoshin is far outside her range, and what kind of confidence level do you have there?

p confident
won't vote here today

i think i sufficiently answered why this doesn't look like her scumgame

[skitter30]

yeah the hyperconfidence is weird but like .... if shoshin flips town then they'll be in trouble ... what do u think of the fact that urap said basically the same thing

@shoshin i don't like nero's push on u

[skitter30]

actually skitter can actually confirm that too, i made an ass of myself when her and her mason partner claimed mason, just sat there laughing lmao

she did do the random laughing thing, yeah

[skitter30]

It’s because you unvoted.

huh

[skitter30]

she's not

[skitter30]

yeah the hyperconfidence is weird but like .... if shoshin flips town then they'll be in trouble ... what do u think of the fact that urap said basically the same thing

@shoshin i don't like nero's push on u

okay not quite the same thing. I'd make em fight for my mislynch

but I said I'd concede the scum reads on me =P

UNVOTE:

We're not in a super rush here. I think I'm taking the rest of the night off of this one

@skitter what would you estimate your accuracy is on sho, and what is your current confidence level?

answered these already but:

a) never played with scum!her but i've defended town!her like ... 4 times (i think? i don't remeber the number offhand) in just this way as i'm doing rn
b) i townread 3p!shoshin but the tells i use for her can't distinguish between 3p and town since she can legitmately scumhunt as 3p and this isn't really relevant anyways since it's a mini normal
c) v confident

[skitter30]

oh i think vork is town now btw

[skitter30]

I guess this is how today is.

Either you take the win by sheeping me, or you collectively scratch your heads while scum plan their next move to make you fail.

The choice is yours.

Going to bed now.

bleh

[skitter30]

Skitter, talk to me about Teacher. Do you prefer lynching him over Nero?

i dislike how he keeps on focusing on the cop-claim (ie more on that than on your behavior); it feels like the wrong thing to be talking about; kinda hard to describe that but it feels like he's focusing on the wrong thing

i could vote urap

don't like nero rn that much either

[skitter30]

kinda felt for a lot of the game that he hasn't been as engaged and/or displayed as much wim as i associate with town!him

[skitter30]

not really feeling flubber i think

[skitter30]

teacher btw did u notice that i voted u a few pages back?

[skitter30]

Cop claim is solid info. Behavior is playstyle, and I incorrectly read shos's playstyle. Like Im working my way back to her questions, but everything she did is consistent with a cop claim, and still NAI because I could see her building to that regardless. She's not today's lynch. I focus on mechanics because thats the way my mind works.

idk u just keep justifying a lynch on not-her using the cop-claim - which is true! - but it feels overemphasized almost

idk how to describe this better rn, sorry

[skitter30]

flubber doesn't care how he's being perceived and doesn't seem to care if he posts things that will make him scumread

[skitter30]

flubber doesn't care how he's being perceived and doesn't seem to care if he posts things that will make him scumread

I agree on this, it was my first impression as well. But what do you make of his responses to 851 (the stuff I pointed out earlier) & his vote on me?

i kinda skimmed past that stuff when it was talked about earlier, can u say it again?

@teacher, ok

[skitter30]

VOTE: nom

This was an awful vote from Flubb.

Nom's 851 should've cleared up Flubb's concerns. But Flubb ignores the sensible towny explanation, looks for reasons to continue attacking Nom in 856, and then votes him. This interaction doesn't feel natural for a townie at all.

idk
i (even before u asked me about this) read that interaction several times and i don't understand it
like i read it and i feel like i can't follow the conversation, i can't process it

so idk

[skitter30]

I think lynching Shoshin today is dumb - why is it such a big deal if we wait to see what happens tomorrow?

Because we are going to mislynch if we don't lynch there, that's why.

I just am in disbelief that everyone is scared to vote a cop claim despite it being bullshit. I am even more in disbelief when I see people like teacher saying "yeah I think you're scum BUT".

You are delaying an easy game win for no other reason than being scared. I am guaranteeing you this doesn't flip cop.

Nom, i dont care whether the cop claim is true - this isnt flipping scum

[skitter30]

VOTE: nero

[skitter30]

how r u feeling about urap rn?

[skitter30]

urap i think ur scum btw

[skitter30]

urap i think ur scum btw

I'm sorry to hear that =(

maybe we should be wagoning urap instead

[skitter30]

skitter is in that weird townread area she's always in