Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[emps]

woa teacher still hasnt done rqs VOTE: teacher

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I see that random lynching is the common rule here. Care to give any reason why targeting me, Selynee?

VOTE: Selynee

"i see you are random voting"

"why are you voting me"

nice

[emps]

also hi sushi and menalque!

[emps]

smh copy and paste is easy

i think

[emps]

i havent tried it on mobile before tbh

[emps]

Discussing jumping questions for the board. All slots kindly answer.

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or tow
5. Time zone/utc/typical posting hours

not that hard

also rqs bad i kinda used it in my scum game to find blue roles lol (i overanalyzed the shit out of them and missed the simplest fucking jk crumb)

[emps]

speaking of overanalyzng stuff here we go

[emps]

Good morning everyone, how's the day?

newbscum greeting, doesnt apply much anymore tho

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Why do you think I'm targeting you? What do you think of Menalque vote?

this is.., weird tbh. i think most peoples reaction would be "lol its random dude"

[emps]

Why do you think I'm targeting you? What do you think of Menalque vote?

With no investigations available so far, and not knowing any player from previous games, i'd say both votes are for the sake of information fishing. It's ok, but i'd rather hear some reasoning first. I am personally voting you for picking me, i could have voted Menalque for randomly voting a different player, but you have chosen me.

why are you against getting information from you? if ur town, its good because we find out//think you are town. if ur scum, its bad cuz we find out/think ur scum. why exactly are you against them getting information from you?

sry this is probs worded terribly but i think u know what i mean

[emps]

hAhA *funny joke here that could be taken somewhat seriously* iM jUsT kIdDiNg

[emps]

No, my vote is bc skitt is conf!scum actually

That's a whole different matter then.

VOTE: unvote

VOTE: skitter30

lol i think they believed this

[emps]

i mean teacher is kinda always serious i guess

doesnt let us have some high quality rvs fun

i mean the one time i did i was lynched d2 but shhh there were 2 scum on my wagon so eh

[emps]

you see the whole rqs bad gthing at the bottom was supposed to stop you guys from answering...

[emps]

fine fine i can do ythe rqs

[emps]

Discussing jumping questions for the board. All slots kindly answer.

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or tow
5. Time zone/utc/typical posting hours

not that hard

also rqs bad i kinda used it in my scum game to find blue roles lol (i overanalyzed the shit out of them and missed the simplest fucking jk crumb)

oh i kept the all slots kindly answer at the top. that explains a lot

1. 4 completed games, only won 1 tho...
2. i spam a lot, get utred/townblocked d1 then get bullied d2
3. i spam a lot, get utred/townblocked d1 then get bullied d2 (main diff is actually tone i think)
4. idk im bad only time i did something productive was a mechsolve turning the game from d3 win to d6 win and all that. i actually have like trash reads
5. utc-7, i can manage mornings and evenings.

[emps]

Discussing jumping questions for the board. All slots kindly answer.

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or tow
5. Time zone/utc/typical posting hours

not that hard

also rqs bad i kinda used it in my scum game to find blue roles lol (i overanalyzed the shit out of them and missed the simplest fucking jk crumb)

oh i kept the all slots kindly answer at the top. that explains a lot

1. 4 completed games, only won 1 tho...
2. i spam a lot, get utred/townblocked d1 then get bullied d2
3. i spam a lot, get utred/townblocked d1 then get bullied d2 (main diff is actually tone i think)
4. idk im bad only time i did something productive was a mechsolve turning the game from d3 win to d6 win and all that. i actually have like trash reads
5. utc-7, i can manage mornings and evenings.

[emps]

hi menalque double posts make me sad

[emps]

With no investigations available so far, and not knowing any player from previous games, i'd say both votes are for the sake of information fishing. It's ok, but i'd rather hear some reasoning first. I am personally voting you for picking me, i could have voted Menalque for randomly voting a different player, but you have chosen me.

You win but in this situation what sort of reasoning would you have preferred before a vote?

uh how is that a good enough arguement to say "fine you win"??? "oh i dont want people to know my alignment due to pressuring me which is like an anti-town thing so like yeah"

"hmmmm fine you win"

pedit : hey you didnt see me on the playerlist? wow rude

[emps]

eh thats different ive had shit reads outside of that

[emps]

1944 - townlocked one scum, townread the other

1942 - thought ff was legit scum while also having no fucking clue who his partner could be

[emps]

1938 is rthe one game i had decent reads in but i felt that was very lucky tbh

[emps]

plus in 1938, i thought urap/mjl was the team later on (aka like 1 1/2 days after repping in or smth)

[emps]

Discussing jumping questions for the board. All slots kindly answer.

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or tow
5. Time zone/utc/typical posting hours

not that hard

also rqs bad i kinda used it in my scum game to find blue roles lol (i overanalyzed the shit out of them and missed the simplest fucking jk crumb)

1. Played forum mafia elsewhere a long time ago, died n1 majority of the times because i talk too much
2. i talk too much
3. i talk too much
4. just posted about it a few seconds ago
5. CEST, mostly available all day

wow i feel you getting n1ed for talking too much sucks

ive never been n1ed but ive gotten close enough

menalque why couldt you have killed sushi or smth instead of me i just repped into 1938 then i die smh

[emps]

how do you forget how spammy i am

thats like my defining trait/characteristic

[emps]

you gave more information than anyone else, how exactly? by saying "i dont wanna give out info stop voting me reeeee time to blatantly omgus"

[emps]

keep it that way i want to be remembered as someone whos at least semi decent

[emps]

i dunno farkran could be lynchbaity town

some newbs just are

[emps]

uh how is that a good enough arguement to say "fine you win"??? "oh i dont want people to know my alignment due to pressuring me which is like an anti-town thing so like yeah"

"hmmmm fine you win"

pedit : hey you didnt see me on the playerlist? wow rude

Except that i gave more information than almost everyone else here lol

Sely did her job, probly did it good, still hasn't unvoted me though. I stand by teacher being the most suspicious atm.

feels sorta like buddying sely tbh

[emps]

hey menalque trust me you can make really fucking stupid descisions on who you bring to lylo as scum

i speak from experience

[emps]

well basically peeps NLed in mylo

there was person a, hard tring b and sring me. and person b, hard tring a and sring me, and person c, deciding between person b and i.

guess who i killed

person c like the fucking legend i am

then i lost

[emps]

ur "analysis" is pretty bad. yiu dont need to analyze

random

votes

[emps]

ah man i love being really careful and paranoid with joking during rvs haha

[emps]

well basically peeps NLed in mylo

there was person a, hard tring b and sring me. and person b, hard tring a and sring me, and person c, deciding between person b and i.

guess who i killed

person c like the fucking legend i am

then i lost

Who do you think I’d kill there?

person a duh it sets up a 1v1 between you and person b or get person b to paranoia vote person c

[emps]

also why should you be careful abt obvious jokes if they are, idk, obvious?

[emps]

what the fuck they are random. there is no reasoning behind them. you cant analyze shit like that. at best itll give u a correct scumread for the conpletely wrong reasons

[emps]

no, at least not till everyone has checked in.

[emps]

you saw what nate dogg did to osetr in 1938

[emps]

trust me, nobody, just about nobody, ever looks at rvs again. at least until lylo where everyone goes sweaty mode

[emps]

oh everyone has?

[emps]

wow everyone has checked in on pg 5 of a newbie is this some sort or record

we had no siteflakers!!! (Yet)

[emps]

VOTE: [farkran/v]

[emps]

wtf why am i so bad

[emps]

VOTE: farkran

L-1

[emps]

yeah posting a lot is like my thing

[emps]

eh wall posts are hard to read

personally, i do a thing called "take something that should be one post and turn it into 10 or 20"

[emps]

i dont use the multiquote button like ever

[emps]

Qlso what doess "i think do you" mean

[emps]

sushi whyyyy

[emps]

lets salvage this or at least try to

[emps]

dude selynee wtf why did you hammer he was already at l-1

[emps]

fuckkkkkkk

[emps]

"yeah i see you fake hammering and trying to get me to scumclaim if im scum so basicaly doing town shit, also i dont tr u as hard anymore"

[emps]

idk farks logic is very backwards and weird to me i dont see how they arrive to those conclusions

[emps]

Nah, not against the rules. Also, if there was a real hammer against town page 6, person would be lynched 90% of the time D2. Not such a great deal for mafia.

Why is Notspam town?

Are you saying anyone hammering town in d1 is going to be lynched d2? How optimistic of you. I like your style though, you really look like town when questioning like that. It's your actions that i am doubting.

can you read? it says on page 6.

[emps]

also fark, why do ur reads changed based off of ppls read on u?

[emps]

woah wtf that setup sounds broken just go doc circle or smth

[emps]

idk the farkran tr is weird. you should tr people for the way they get people to talk and the way they approach other slots and whether or not it comes from a town mindset

[emps]

i do have 1 scum game, check newbie 1941

[emps]

nmsa,w whats the diff between menalque and i sring fark that makes u tl me and sr menalque?

[emps]

what do you guys think of farks reads being reactive to everyone elses reads on them?

[emps]

whats up with nmsa saying skitter is always town and menalque saying that he'll end up tring skitter

are they like really obivious as scum or do they always deepwolf/powerplay or smth

[emps]

also menalque stop posting i need the most posts

[emps]

Quick, farkran adjust ur read on nmsa based off of his read on you

[emps]

menalque are you blind you did the same thing

[emps]

No, but I always end up TRing skitt so I'm just pre-emptively putting her where she's gonna end up

[emps]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[emps]

stop wallposting please ty

[emps]

also 10/10 misrep. i clearly stated I wasn't putting you to L-1 because I thought not every one had checked in. Menalque pointed out that everyone actually had and then I placed u at l-1

[emps]

what the fuck dude they clearly knew they were fake hammering...

[emps]

wait wtf how do you hide behind vla? Falsely declaring vla is disgusting and I think it's a bannable offense

[emps]

also fark, why do ur reads changed based off of ppls read on u?

what do you guys think of farks reads being reactive to everyone elses reads on them?

I'm not adjusting reads based on words only, rather on actions. I had assumed (and i'm still not entirely convinced) that she was NOT aware her hammer vote was fake, since i genuinely thought speaking after having been lynched was going against the rules. I still think it should not be allowed: if you get lynched, you either prepared your testament in advance (like we used to do in old forum mafias through the [lastwill] command) or you go out silent. For this reason, i changed my mind on Selynee being townish.

Besides, you and Selynee are the only ones i changed my mind about. You said you weren't going to L-1 me and then two posts later you did, lol. More explanations on this on the my answers below.

Nah, not against the rules. Also, if there was a real hammer against town page 6, person would be lynched 90% of the time D2. Not such a great deal for mafia.

Why is Notspam town?

@ Farkran: Can you answer the question at the end of it? That part confused me too (you putting NMSA at 70% town).

I understand you think of me as a newbie, and legitimately so since this is my first game in this forum, and my first mafia game altogether after more than 7 years. I'm not hiding behind the newbie shield though, i am getting tells from people's posts and actions. Most pro-town people at the moment are notmyspam, Menalque, possibly sushi. I also really didn't like epic posts, i'd like to hear more from him - skitter is hiding behind VLA so anything i say about her would be irrelevant at this point.

Nah, not against the rules. Also, if there was a real hammer against town page 6, person would be lynched 90% of the time D2. Not such a great deal for mafia.

Why is Notspam town?

Are you saying anyone hammering town in d1 is going to be lynched d2? How optimistic of you. I like your style though, you really look like town when questioning like that. It's your actions that i am doubting.

@ Farkran: Forgive me if I'm being dense, but are you being sarcastic here?

Yes, i'm being overly sarcastic. Because, at one point during this day, someone WILL hammer a player and chances are it will be on a town vanilla due to sheer odds statistics. How in the world does that mean that whoever hammered him will be lynched in d2? I didn't like that reasoning at all. Someone has to be lynched, that i can agree with, but the way you do it gives tells.

Hammer testing tends town or partner. Why does it make you scumread them?

And emps, I always reread rvs. Some of the more useful associations are there, before scum get the feel of the room and can play into/against it as needed.

That didn't look hammer testing to me. Claiming (or speaking at all) after being lynched is against the rules if i am not mistaken. That looked more like genuine rushy bandwagon.

How do you define hammertesting?

It can’t be a bandwagon because they were already there. So answer the question: why does a second, and purportedly hammer (but not) - vote strike you as scummy?

Also, why is bandwaggoning scummy?

Try to see it from my point of view. If she wasn't aware of fakehammering, it would be a huge bandwagon move. I insist on saying she wasn't aware of it because it didn't made sense to me, since speaking after having lynched is against the rules - that's what i thought. There's even a line about "bah-posting". Could we actually get this mod-clarified? Can you speak after having been hammered or not?

Also, bandwagoning on the early train is one of the scummiest tells to me. That moved Selynee down my list of suspected scum.

The first paragraph is is what I was reacting tp

[emps]

Hey emps do you wanna put farkran at L-1?

no, at least not till everyone has checked in.

Everyone has checked in tho

oh everyone has?

VOTE: farkran

L-1

[emps]

that's the actual thing and I don't see how you misrep that so badly

[emps]

that's the actual thing and I don't see how you misrep that so badly

Sorry? Skitter is still VLA, you know - she posted about being VLA, but didn't add anything to the discussion. Would you call that a "check in"?

Did you quote the wrong thing?

[emps]

How do you define bandwagoning? I ask because I disagree - it wouldn’t have been wagonninf if they thought they were elsewhere, it would be hammering. So what do you mean by calling it bandwagonnjng?

Could you actually answer this btw?

In my experience, bandwagoning is the act of voting on someone who already has a reasonable share of votes for the purpose of ending the day quickly with a complete mislynch, or aiming at the least information-giving lynch of a town player (not my case, since i've been talking and addressed to so much). In a 2 mafia VS 7 town setup with a hammer on the 5th, the third vote on someone is already a borderline bandwagon move, the fourth and the hammer are much more scummy though. Melanque was the third vote on me, after which emps immediately jumped on the train despite claiming not to, and Selynee attempted her move which did not make sense in my eyes due to a misunderstanding of the game rules.

With that said, i moved emps and Selynee down in my list of suspects.

Did Selynee know about the fakehammer? Perhaps. Sushi didn't notice it at first. I almost didn't notice it, but i wouldn't have said anything anyways.

The reason i'm suspecting you, teacher, is your behavior behind the words said. You were quick to defend skitter for no reason at all. What does defending the VLA accomplish? Again, is there a rule that forbids being scum while on VLA? I am questioning you, exactly the same way you're questioning me. No offense taken, no offense given.

Again, i didn't even doubt skitter's VLA claim, i just said i couldn't have a reading on her because she isn't here to speak. That was the whole meaning behind the word "hiding". I didn't even vote against her, or ask for her to be modkilled or anything.

Actually, the third is the most sus vote, followed by 4th.

[emps]

stop wallposting please ty

[emps]

that's the actual thing and I don't see how you misrep that so badly

Sorry? Skitter is still VLA, you know - she posted about being VLA, but didn't add anything to the discussion. Would you call that a "check in"?

Did you quote the wrong thing?

[emps]

also, what teacher did to "defend" skitter is completely fair and i wouldve done it if i saw the "hiding behind vla" thing (i didnt until recently cuz i was on mobile earlier)

being vla isnt scummy, and i think teachers reaction is actually townie.

[emps]

i never stated i townread teacher. i townlean him. im saying, you're calling something that i think is townie scummy. what, in ur opinion, is wrong with selynee?if its the "they didnt seem to know their fakehammer was fake" arguement, let me tell you this, that is complete bullshit.

[emps]

also, what teacher did to "defend" skitter is completely fair and i wouldve done it if i saw the "hiding behind vla" thing (i didnt until recently cuz i was on mobile earlier)

being vla isnt scummy, and

i think teachers reaction is actually townie.

(emphasis mine)

Really? I don't think his reaction was scummy, but I don't think it was townie either. This whole argument about Skitter being on V/LA and everyone's possible reads of her

despite her only having made one post

just feels like NAI semantic squabbling to me.

i feel like teachers emotion behind the posts is genuine and idk if hes good at faking that as scum so i might do a quick read of his scum meta

[emps]

Why do you think I'm targeting you? What do you think of Menalque vote?

With no investigations available so far, and not knowing any player from previous games, i'd say both votes are for the sake of information fishing. It's ok, but i'd rather hear some reasoning first. I am personally voting you for picking me, i could have voted Menalque for randomly voting a different player, but you have chosen me.

I see that random lynching is the common rule here. Care to give any reason why targeting me, Selynee?

VOTE: Selynee

hi hello welcome to the probably 20 ish posts case of fark

enter :

backwards logic

"hey so i see everyone seems to be random voting.

why are you random

voting me?"

"i see you are trying to get imformation about my alignment, which is town motivated. now let me OMGUS you real quick."

[emps]

Anything goes, as long as it makes sense and we can get something out of it. Menalque said skitt is confirmed scum. I'd like to verify.

what is this

why

what role gets a n0 guilty

[emps]

Menalque looking more and more like a troll.

I'd still like to hear from the silent people though, i guess i'll wait until they get back or something else pops up.

this feels like stalling, theres no reason you cant play the game without all 9 people present. you should be focused on generating interactions and trying to poke information out of people as town.

[emps]

Now i look like a good girl from an anime i like. Also hello to all the newly arrived.

My readings so far:

Selynee - town 70% very proactive
Menalque - town 50% mafia 50% trollish
teacher - mafia 60% too serious to be town PR
notmyspam - town 70% plays like expert town
sushi - town 50% mafia 50% trollish
emps - town 65% aggressive play

Other two have yet to speak, 80% at least one mafia hiding in there

UNVOTE:

VOTE: teacher

why is being serious scummy? what changed between theese posts that turned Selynee & I into SRs? why on earth is nmsa 70% town rn? what part of his play felt "expert" to you?

[emps]

Discussing jumping questions for the board. All slots kindly answer.

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or tow
5. Time zone/utc/typical posting hours

not that hard

also rqs bad i kinda used it in my scum game to find blue roles lol (i overanalyzed the shit out of them and missed the simplest fucking jk crumb)

1. Played forum mafia elsewhere a long time ago, died n1 majority of the times because i talk too much
2. i talk too much
3. i talk too much
4. just posted about it a few seconds ago
5. CEST, mostly available all day

you cant find town or scum based off of activity or how proactive they are. there are things we call "lurky/lynchbaity town" and "deepwolves/powerscummers"

[emps]

uh how is that a good enough arguement to say "fine you win"??? "oh i dont want people to know my alignment due to pressuring me which is like an anti-town thing so like yeah"

"hmmmm fine you win"

pedit : hey you didnt see me on the playerlist? wow rude

Except that i gave more information than almost everyone else here lol

Sely did her job, probly did it good, still hasn't unvoted me though. I stand by teacher being the most suspicious atm.

how did u give more information? plus at this point it was mostly people scumreading you or something similar, and that isnt good information esp if ur town

[emps]

you gave more information than anyone else, how exactly? by saying "i dont wanna give out info stop voting me reeeee time to blatantly omgus"

Lot of ppl just greeting others or talking about past games, so far my only useless post was first one, everything else was analysis. I like to get things started.

ur "analysis" is pretty bad. yiu dont need to analyze

random

votes

Actually you do. And i accomplished my mission by getting everyone to talk profusely and provide analyzeable arguments. Ofc my analysis would be poor day 1, it will become more valuable later.

sorry to break it to you, but uh... you dont analyze rvs well, during rvs.

pedit : wow nice job misrepping me there

[emps]

Sushi didnt notice it, nor did you for a bit, however, ive never seen an accidental fakehammer. you dont just forget who ur voting like that. its purposeful almost all of the time.

[emps]

i stated his reaction was townie, not that i townread him overall. most people dont have all their posts be townie or scummy, most have both types.

[emps]

Menalque looking more and more like a troll.

I'd still like to hear from the silent people though, i guess i'll wait until they get back or something else pops up.

this feels like stalling, theres no reason you cant play the game without all 9 people present.

you should be focused on generating interactions and trying to poke information out of people as town.

You might have noticed that it's exactly what i have been doing, and that should also answer all your other recently asked questions.

Who's genuinely scumreading me though?

yeah and plenty of it is blatantly misrepping me and taking things out of context. that isnt helpful. ur supposed to apply pressure or reaction test, or simply discuss ur scumreads.

[emps]

paranoid of deepwolfing.

yeah u powerscummer in newb queue smh

[emps]

ignore the fact i tried powerscumming before

[emps]

also why should you be careful abt obvious jokes if they are, idk, obvious?

It's not the joke that matters, it's people's reactions about it and what they spark later

what? normally people go along with the joke and all that. why do you think its a really big issue that menalque was joking in rvs? plenty of others were, and this feels like an excuse to SR mena

[emps]

eh im ok at mech stuff

[emps]

I guess our game experiences have been very different.

Who's genuinely scumreading me though?

This was a serious question though.

dont you mean who was? i was referring to people scumreading you as in in the past.

[emps]

Choo choo

VOTE: farkran

VOTE: farkran

L-1

me idk who else. in the past it was sushi (i think), mena and i.

[emps]

ah shit i was multiquoting for it then i got distracted midway through by the new posts

[emps]

all i see is weird and backwards logic and shade throwing

[emps]

oh yeah and the blatant misreps but like whatever

[emps]

Now i look like a good girl from an anime i like. Also hello to all the newly arrived.

My readings so far:

Selynee - town 70% very proactive
Menalque - town 50% mafia 50% trollish
teacher - mafia 60% too serious to be town PR
notmyspam - town 70% plays like expert town
sushi - town 50% mafia 50% trollish
emps - town 65% aggressive play

Other two have yet to speak, 80% at least one mafia hiding in there

UNVOTE:

VOTE: teacher

why is being serious scummy? what changed between theese posts that turned Selynee & I into SRs? why on earth is nmsa 70% town rn? what part of his play felt "expert" to you?

[emps]

Menalque
Sushi Martyr
EpicCreeper9002
Farkran
Selynee
skitter30
teacher
NotMySpamAccount

im scumreading two of the above, but i dont know who yet

[emps]

VOTE: emps

I really don't like emps' reactions to Farkran's attacks. Most notably, he seems to be getting desperate in his recent posts (specifically 303, 304, and 305).

Also, what point are you trying to make with that "scumreading two of the above" post?

im trying to joke about menalque fence sitting on fark/i

how do i seem to be getting desperate? there are obvious flaws in his logic, and he has been blatantly misrepping me.

[emps]

ok catching up now!

dont make it a wallpost

please oh god dont do this to me

[emps]

Re: emps. There’s just been something about the way he’s been tunnelled on fark that pings me a bit, like the whole thing feels a bit exaggerated to me? And I don’t remember him getting this locked in on someone in the town game we had, and I myself have been known to use the lock onto someone and tunnel them approach to get TR

Re: selynee. Honestly can’t remember. I liked the fakehammer, so prob her earlier posts, and also her backing off of the thread as it got more active, but that’s also easily explained by RL. If you want me to go through tomorrow and try to remember why I had her in scum, poke me and I’ll try to remember by looking back at her iso

Re: L-1. Hmm, maybe not. But then there’s also been cases where I would have but didn’t have the credibility, and this game felt active enough that I figured there might be enough folks posting to get a fakehammer off

im pressuring him and trying to ask him questions and then he comes at me with some backwards logic, a blatant misrep, or ignores my question.

what do you want me to do? say "fuck it hes town for doing nothing townie whatsoever"

[emps]

i dunno i could buy creeper/fark as the gamesolve but that feels wayy too easy

[emps]

My biggest townread is probably Farkran, for getting people to talk. The fact that they pointed out they did this kind of negates it though. I also lean town on emps for asking those questions to analyze.

ok
a) why is 'getting people to talk' townie?
b) is farkran the only person you think has been doing this?
c) why does pointing out that they did this negate the townread?

a) Discussion is what really brings out all of the posts people analyze. It's progressing the game in its purest form
b) Honestly I think the sheer amount of posts is getting to me and I haven't really looked into things. That's probably my fault
c) Mainly if there's a case of "oh I'm scum but I'm doing a townie thing look at me I'm town" (is there a name for this?)

The vote on emps was for reaction testing. He still leans town for me.
UNVOTE: emps

I do have a lot of experience with (chat) mafia but that doesn't mean I'm good at it haha. In other words, don't ask me what I'm doing because I don't know either

I'll see you all tomorrow. (Real life tomorrow, not game tomorrow)

Now "tomorrow" doesn't look like a word. Dang it.

c is called LAMIST or Look At Me Im So Town

but town can do it as well

ive been getting LAMISTy vibes from fark as well tbh

[emps]

ok catching up now!

dont make it a wallpost

please oh god dont do this to me

they made it more than just a wallpost oh god no multiple wallposts

[emps]

Now i look like a good girl from an anime i like. Also hello to all the newly arrived.

My readings so far:

Selynee - town 70% very proactive
Menalque - town 50% mafia 50% trollish
teacher - mafia 60% too serious to be town PR
notmyspam - town 70% plays like expert town
sushi - town 50% mafia 50% trollish
emps - town 65% aggressive play

Other two have yet to speak, 80% at least one mafia hiding in there

UNVOTE:

VOTE: teacher

why is being serious scummy? what changed between theese posts that turned Selynee & I into SRs? why on earth is nmsa 70% town rn? what part of his play felt "expert" to you?

[emps]

not in a way that I understood, so talk me through it

Accusing you is just as useful as you accusing me. Just look at all the ruckus. All this stuff will be useful later, even if i die today.

ah yes look at all this ruckus ah yes sweet sweet confusion that im causing

dw itll be super helpful for town when we go into d2 saying "wait wtf farkran was town!?!?!?!?"

where is the town motivation here

[emps]

Updated readings:

Notspam: town 70%
Menalque: town 60%
Sushi: 50/50
Emps: 50/50
Selynee mafia 60%
teacher mafia 60%

Other two people still MIA, still convinced there's 1 mafia there

what on earth made selynee read as scum and why do you already have such strong scumreads and then call out one of skitter/creeper as scum

[emps]

also, a lot of farks readlists feel reaally forced

[emps]

Nah, not against the rules. Also, if there was a

real hammer against town page 6

, person would be lynched 90% of the time D2. Not such a great deal for mafia.

Why is Notspam town?

Are you saying

anyone hammering town in d1 is going to be lynched d2?

How optimistic of you. I like your style though, you really look like town when questioning like that. It's your actions that i am doubting.

wow man i love misreps its like my fav thing to do as well wanna be friends

[emps]

I had assumed (and i'm still not entirely convinced) that she was NOT aware her hammer vote was fake

why

just why

newbs here arent "hey first game ever onsite"

they have clearly played a game before and (somewhat) know what they are doing
fakehammers arent exactly accidental

[emps]

fark is at L-2 i think but we should wait for a vc before placing another vote

[emps]

In post 182, Sushi Martyr wrote:
Selynee wrote:
Nah, not against the rules. Also, if there was a real hammer against town page 6, person would be lynched 90% of the time D2. Not such a great deal for mafia.

Why is Notspam town?


@ Farkran: Can you answer the question at the end of it? That part confused me too (you putting NMSA at 70% town).


I understand you think of me as a newbie, and legitimately so since this is my first game in this forum, and my first mafia game altogether after more than 7 years. I'm not hiding behind the newbie shield though, i am getting tells from people's posts and actions. Most pro-town people at the moment are notmyspam, Menalque, possibly sushi. I also really didn't like epic posts, i'd like to hear more from him - skitter is hiding behind VLA so anything i say about her would be irrelevant at this point.

completely dodged the question gj

[emps]

I never defend anyone but myself unless i have specific and reliable information for doing so.

if you dont defend ur trs when they're being sred for stupid reasons...

what are you doing? if someone you tr is being wagoned, dont just sit there and let it happen. there is no town motivation in this.

[emps]

i thought mena was voting nmsa then unvoted?

[emps]

I will try to make myself clear to everyone now. I am accusing teacher to be scum because the majority of his posts are about playing gentle towards others while offering meta explanations that are useful outside of the game, but their in-game value is very much questionable. Perhaps that's just the way he likes to roll but it's exactly how i would play if i were in his position and got a scum role.

I might be wrong? Of course. Do i have any other good lead to this day? Just Selynee and emps. The latter also just said he has town readings on teacher, so he's currently my second best candidate for today's lynch.

"teacher the powerscummer is scum kthxbye"
"that guy who fakehammered me and is like only ever scum if i am is scum"
"that guy trying to pressure me and actively question my reads is also scum btw"

nice

[emps]

About Selynee's fakehammer, though: as i said, sushi didn't notice it, i almost didn't notice it. Was it so obvious to you? It wasn't to other people. Why would you call it bullshit?

do you think the person behind the fakehammer had no clue who they were already voting? thats why i called it bullshit. they definetly knew what they were doing and ur arguement for sely being scum is reaaaaally reachy and bad

[emps]

god you stole my "thats l-1 folks" thing

[emps]

or did i steal that from you

[emps]

wOaH wTf TeAcHeR wHy DiD yOu HaMmEr He WaS aT l-1

[emps]

Also pagetop

nice

[emps]

Who's scumreading me right now?

this is similar to what i did in my first scum game, where what really gave me away was trying to find a consensus and try to find out reads so i knew who to nk and all that stuff

[emps]

I understand that me being a newbie here could trigger the experts here into thinking i was genuinely believing some of the early rvs claims. I might have played poorly since i overlooked that possibility. However, try to stick to the facts and read my posts from both a town and a scum point of view, i believe you will learn more than you expect to.

idk what you're trying to say here

did you really think menalque had a n0 guilty on me?

No i did not. It's not possible.

then why did you pretend that you did

ur tone didnt read like u were going along w the joke

[emps]

how am i being very reachy?

[emps]

fark thats not whats reachy means... reachy means taking a NAI or even town posts and calling them scum. or just reaching for impossible scumteams.

[emps]

oh no giving intent to hammer generates discussion. i think at least

[emps]

ill read the skitter walls...

sometime soon

[emps]

idk maybe claim?

[emps]

also, im not in blindrage. ive been actively pressuring you and asking you questions, and you have been ignoring, taking them out of context, flat out misrepping them, or completely missing the point. that doesnt make me think ur town at all, and it only furthers my scumread on you.

[emps]

Updated readings:

Notspam: town 70%
Menalque: town 60%
Sushi: 50/50
Emps: 50/50
Selynee mafia 60%
teacher mafia 60%

Other two people still MIA, still convinced there's 1 mafia there

what on earth made selynee read as scum and why do you already have such strong scumreads and then call out one of skitter/creeper as scum

In post 182, Sushi Martyr wrote:
Selynee wrote:
Nah, not against the rules. Also, if there was a real hammer against town page 6, person would be lynched 90% of the time D2. Not such a great deal for mafia.

Why is Notspam town?


@ Farkran: Can you answer the question at the end of it? That part confused me too (you putting NMSA at 70% town).


I understand you think of me as a newbie, and legitimately so since this is my first game in this forum, and my first mafia game altogether after more than 7 years. I'm not hiding behind the newbie shield though, i am getting tells from people's posts and actions. Most pro-town people at the moment are notmyspam, Menalque, possibly sushi. I also really didn't like epic posts, i'd like to hear more from him - skitter is hiding behind VLA so anything i say about her would be irrelevant at this point.

completely dodged the question gj

Now i look like a good girl from an anime i like. Also hello to all the newly arrived.

My readings so far:

Selynee - town 70% very proactive
Menalque - town 50% mafia 50% trollish
teacher - mafia 60% too serious to be town PR
notmyspam - town 70% plays like expert town
sushi - town 50% mafia 50% trollish
emps - town 65% aggressive play

Other two have yet to speak, 80% at least one mafia hiding in there

UNVOTE:

VOTE: teacher

why is being serious scummy? what changed between theese posts that turned Selynee & I into SRs? why on earth is nmsa 70% town rn? what part of his play felt "expert" to you?

i stated his reaction was townie, not that i townread him overall. most people dont have all their posts be townie or scummy, most have both types.

[emps]

also dissapearing for a while isnt necessarily scummy. plenty of people have irl to deal with.

[emps]

i dont get how sushi is scum for defending you based on tone but creeper is likely town because he is defending based on more concrete evidence? creeper is TRing/TLing me based off of tone, and cant describe it as much more than "uhhh gutread"

[emps]

"dissapearing completely"

they havent even been off for a day

trust me like no other newb games are this fast paced (except the trainwreck that was newbie 1942)

[emps]

fucking claim already good god fark

[emps]

you are at l-1 and have intent, you should claim and stop shade throwing.

[emps]

i mean he isnt necessarily buddying me. we usually mind-meld a lot

[emps]

3. skitter (disappeared completely, turns my townread on her down a fair bit)

Wait, let me see if the person I am talking about said anything about this.

Spoiler: They did!

5. est; mostly after work (i have a 9-5 office job), sometimes at work if it's slow and i'm bored, i'm v/la fridays and saturday

4. teacher (also disappeared completely)

Wait, let me see if the person I am talking about said anything about this.

Spoiler: They did!

5. Late night/early morning nyc time or mobile fun in free periods.

Its honestly like you dont even fucking read the game but just decided to randomly through shade.

aw man holy fuck a misrep oh no we've never seen this before or anything like that

[emps]

@emps
I clarified myself on my Selynee claims, fakehammering is not a thing where i come from, it's considered a dirty play.

Teacher has been buddying with you since forever, how are you failing to notice that? You say you're pressuring me but what you are actually doing is ignoring everything else. Take a break, reread, and think.

Sushi is being scummy atm as hell because, contrary to what i'm getting from creeper, he's playing knowledgeably and he's strongly buddying with me - meaning he heavily disagrees with you at this point - yet he's not willing to go along with my calls and he's also ignoring everyone just like you are BUT he isn't emotional about it. Seems to me that he can be mafia, unwilling to hammer and waiting for the town to do his job. The possibilty of a teacher-sushi team is growing in my mind.

how about instead of shade throwing you answer the questions you ignored?

[emps]

idk they seem very flip floppy abt their reads but not in a logical or like even somehwat coprehendable way

[emps]

like selynee was always open to convo and they ignored it for a while and was even sring them for a while and like not much changed between the sr and now and its... weird

skitter & teacher are the most bs reasons for SRing someone

menalque/creeper are actually the ones that have been treating ur slot the scummiest imo, and i feel like the mena tr is just like trying to pocket mena/stop him from hammering, doesnt feel like a genuine read.

sushi : scumread by fark (for no reason at all, actually p townie atm)

nmsa : def doesnt have rl or smth why havent you been on reeeeeeeeee

[emps]

Updated readings:

Notspam: town 70%
Menalque: town 60%
Sushi: 50/50
Emps: 50/50
Selynee mafia 60%
teacher mafia 60%

Other two people still MIA, still convinced there's 1 mafia there

what on earth made selynee read as scum and why do you already have such strong scumreads and then call out one of skitter/creeper as scum

In post 182, Sushi Martyr wrote:
Selynee wrote:
Nah, not against the rules. Also, if there was a real hammer against town page 6, person would be lynched 90% of the time D2. Not such a great deal for mafia.

Why is Notspam town?


@ Farkran: Can you answer the question at the end of it? That part confused me too (you putting NMSA at 70% town).


I understand you think of me as a newbie, and legitimately so since this is my first game in this forum, and my first mafia game altogether after more than 7 years. I'm not hiding behind the newbie shield though, i am getting tells from people's posts and actions. Most pro-town people at the moment are notmyspam, Menalque, possibly sushi. I also really didn't like epic posts, i'd like to hear more from him - skitter is hiding behind VLA so anything i say about her would be irrelevant at this point.

completely dodged the question gj

Now i look like a good girl from an anime i like. Also hello to all the newly arrived.

My readings so far:

Selynee - town 70% very proactive
Menalque - town 50% mafia 50% trollish
teacher - mafia 60% too serious to be town PR
notmyspam - town 70% plays like expert town
sushi - town 50% mafia 50% trollish
emps - town 65% aggressive play

Other two have yet to speak, 80% at least one mafia hiding in there

UNVOTE:

VOTE: teacher

why is being serious scummy? what changed between theese posts that turned Selynee & I into SRs? why on earth is nmsa 70% town rn? what part of his play felt "expert" to you?

i stated his reaction was townie, not that i townread him overall. most people dont have all their posts be townie or scummy, most have both types.

are you blind

[emps]

claim ur fucking role

[emps]

Any tips on how to participate here? Like I feel like I missed the emps/Farkran argument mess and am just picking at bits where I can. I want to help out (or maybe I don't this argument looks scary)

read the thread and comment on like everything you feel like

dont feel scared to voice ur opinion and post whatever u want

[emps]

obligatory comment on getting pagetop because i guess that's a thing here.

ehhh not always.

[emps]

what are ur thoughts on fark not claiming despite being asked to multiple times while at L-1 with intent?

i have my own thoughts and ill out them once they claim.

[emps]

Hahaha. It’s not a thing here other than some emps history in 1941 and 1942. But well played.

wait what is this reffering to?

[emps]

hey it was pgtop 100 and pgtop200 and stuff those are like things not everyone gets ok

[emps]

plus i saw you in dead thread tryna steal my pgtop100

[emps]

just point out any slight pings /gutreads you have on any posts. you dont need a very well thought out explanation or anything just "this feels like town" or "the tone feels off" or "this has scum motivation" etc etc

[emps]

i feel like looking at motivation behind posts is good. think "if they were town why would they do this? if they were scum why would they do this? does one outweigh the other?"

[emps]

creeper: isn't treating me like scum at all

why the fuck is it wrong for someone to not be scumreading you?

[emps]

Anything else?

yes, maybe idk CLAIM YOUR ROLE

[emps]

Claiming Your Role
It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at L-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town! While it may help you avoid getting lynched, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counter claiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get lynched for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

read this post

now claim

[emps]

[quote="In post 0, Nexus"

L-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from a lynch. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at L-1 (1 vote away from a lynch) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that players lynch. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to lynch (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so.
[/quote]

like selynee was always open to convo and they ignored it for a while and was even sring them for a while and like not much changed between the sr and now and its... weird

skitter & teacher are the most bs reasons for SRing someone

menalque/creeper are actually the ones that have been treating ur slot the scummiest imo, and i feel like the mena tr is just like trying to pocket mena/stop him from hammering, doesnt feel like a genuine read.

sushi : scumread by fark (for no reason at all, actually p townie atm)

nmsa : def doesnt have rl or smth why havent you been on reeeeeeeeee

My only sr against Selynee was my misunderstanding of her fakehammer, i have nothing against her atm. This is like the 4th time i'm saying it now?

I was reading skitter as town before she disappeared, nothing else to say, i'm not even accusing her of being scum at this point.

Menalque declared his intent after hours of silence, does not make sense as scum since he would have hammered, period.

You are still failing to see teacher's buddying and unhelpful behavior to the point you didn't even noticed he colored my read of you as red whereas i clearly stated you are leaning towards purple atm

Sushi is strongly buddying with me yet he refuses to go along with me, how come you are not putting teacher on pressure like you guys are doing on me? Just because he's being polite? Way to go, please open your eyes asap

creeper: isn't treating me like scum at all, i have already given my latest read on him like a hundred times

nmsa: still waiting for him to come back and question him

Anything else?

[emps]

how did i mess everything up so badly wtf

[emps]

L-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from a lynch. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at L-1 (1 vote away from a lynch) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that players lynch. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to lynch (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so.

[emps]

Menalque declared his intent after hours of silence, does not make sense as scum since he would have hammered, period.

[emps]

hmmmmmmm

[emps]

mena isnt a true newbie, ive played with him before and im pretty sure he has enough completed games to in as an SE.

what hellhole of a site did you come from?????

[emps]

also please just for the love of god claim stop stalling

[emps]

claim ur fucking role dont pr spec other people reeeee

[emps]

claim ur fucking role

[emps]

claim ur fucking role

[emps]

honestly skitter have you seen how many tmies ive asked them to claim and then they just dont?

[emps]

imo too scummy to be scum is a bs arguement

[emps]

like, theres no jester here...

[emps]

i dont know how to feel abt skitter backing out

[emps]

How the fuck do you guys think fark town?

mena is way off his scum meta imo

[emps]

ugh im going to do some stuff now a bit tired rn tho

[emps]

Might have finally found a game I'm motivated to play. ahs anyone got experience with the new setup yet? selynee seems slightly scum, but not much. oh, and farkran is town I think. not sure tho.

huh
i'm actually feeling the exact opposite

wait what is this referring to? did you disagree with sely being scum, fark being town, or both?

[emps]

L-1?

VOTE: Farkran

Last words?

Lol, really? Ok.

I don't know if you were aware of your double vote, but hammer rushing is not just being aggressive, it's plain bandwagoning.

My town reading of you just went down to 40%

a) normally i would say that this sort of lacksadacksical response to the 'hammer' is kinda townie; i think scum are usually more survivalistic and would like freak out more here if they think they actually got hammered, but you're obviously p hyper-aware of the votes on you and knew you weren't hammered so i'm not sure this is a townie response in this context

isnt being hyper-aware of the votes on you scummy?
or is it NAI?

[emps]

=

My biggest townread is probably Farkran, for getting people to talk. The fact that they pointed out they did this kind of negates it though. I also lean town on emps for asking those questions to analyze.

ok
a) why is 'getting people to talk' townie?
b) is farkran the only person you think has been doing this?
c) why does pointing out that they did this negate the townread?

hold up if it negates the TR then why is epic still tring fark?

[emps]

In post 235, Farkran wrote:
This is the second time you've been defending skitter for... no reason at all, besides her being VLA.


yeah ngl this still weirds me out a bit

why does it weird you out? i feel like teacher was genuine atm maybe i should reread it

[emps]

heyy skitter! it's been a while. my tr was in fact lazy, but it's early d1 and assuming you're town usually works out. In this case, I think it did, you sound pretty townie.

hey

you feel a lot more ~natural~ than the last time i've played with you; i think i'm tending town on you here

reads are something like:

{emps}
{nmsa, selynee}
{teacher, sushi}
{menalque, creeper}
{farkran}

let me check the vc before i vote

could you better explain ur nmsa tr? or does it mostly come down to him feeling more natural?
what is your current stance on sushi?

[emps]

right it was the nmsa read - nmsa's reaction test thing comes from town like ... nearly always, and i don't get why nmsa having a different read than him on farkran on like p2 is a reason to find nmsa scummy

oh yeah and this

[emps]

hm i should iso creeper, mena, sushi, and maybe nmsa? id like to see more posts and stuff from sely tbh.

[emps]

town
teacher
skitt
sely
null
creeper (probs going to iso and stuff soon)
fark
scum

idk yet : sushi, nmsa, mena

[emps]

i like the recent post from teacher where he goes over fark's read progression on mena tho

[emps]

Alright here goes

For emps' questions:
1. I have played a single game of forum mafia before and it was this thing called No Setup where you can use any action. I have also played a lot of chat mafia but I feel like that's an entirely different thing
That being said, I can't really answer questions 2-4 because I have never played a regular game of forum mafia. Plus, in chat mafia I barely know what I'm doing half the time
5. Time zone is EST.

My biggest townread is probably Farkran, for getting people to talk. The fact that they pointed out they did this kind of negates it though. I also lean town on emps for asking those questions to analyze.

I'd like to ask Selynee what they were trying to do with their fake hammer.

Why is like half of page 4 just emps and Menalque talking about a past game? I know you can look at what a player has done in past games, but none of that really seems relevant.

I'm going to UNVOTE: Sushi Martyr because RVS meme time is over. Also I have something to do so it's probably going to be another few hours before I post again (more reading for me, yay)

i dunno how to feel about him ignoring my questions 2-4 when hes played some form of mafia before and he should have some sort of idea what his townplay, scumplay, and how he reads others is like.

[emps]

oh yeah also him unvoting and not placing a vote anywhere to get some sort of pressure of any kind or any slight scumreads of any sort.

honestly, if he didnt see town motivation coming from sely's fake hammer, he shouldve voted them. im not saying there is none, but he didnt seem to see/notice any.

[emps]

VOTE: emps

I really don't like emps' reactions to Farkran's attacks. Most notably, he seems to be getting desperate in his recent posts (specifically 303, 304, and 305).

Also, what point are you trying to make with that "scumreading two of the above" post?

i think his reaction test was at least somewhat genuine? but it seemed sorta rushed tbh because he only brought up recent posts and made no even semi-decent points on me, however i dont think scum does that

[emps]

b) Honestly I think the sheer amount of posts is getting to me and I haven't really looked into things. That's probably my fault

10/10 nice job dodging the question

[emps]

yeah I'm confident on creeper scum now.

i dunno i could buy creeper/fark as the gamesolve but that feels wayy too easy

Here’s my issue w the wagon right now: fark has been put on L-1 twice (five votes, as skitter replaced sushi). I know I’m town and I lean heavily that way on spammy. So unless we are saying the team is exactly creeper-fark, farks likely a Mislynch.

Skit- talk to me about Menalque because I melded w you a bit there. I disagreed w the early townread on darque and his reads (there, emps) have seemed a little swingy. The meld was strong on the 180-220 bit of reaching to scumread spam after what was to me an extremely towny reaction test - like Nigeria at the player Nd looking for a rationale.

I’m not saying that’s not the team btw. But if people are inclined there, I think the higher value play is to lynch creeper.

UNVOTE: Menalque
VOTE: creeper

it should be mentioned Fark is at L-1

What exactly made all of this happen? I know it's probably something in my previous post, but what?

at the time i felt like the reaction test was the fakest shit ever and i felt like it was an excuse to back out of the SR on me

[emps]

I don't know, it's just a gut feeling I guess.

i dunno i think this comes from town

[emps]

mps was sort of a random decision, he was one of the people who was active at the time so I'd get a quick result.

also, why not fark or teacher? they were p active at the time. i can get u not doing fark because i dont really see much of a reaction there and it could go poorly. but why not teacher? if you still leaned town on me back then, why did you decide to choose me to reaction test? i assumed it was originally a reaction test for fark or everyone in general, and i didnt know it was mostly towards me

[emps]

As for Farkran not claiming, I don't really read that either way. I don't really see it as a valid play from either town or scum. I think he has a reason for it, but I have no idea what that could be.

if u dont see town motivation coming from it, maybe push them to
a) claim
or
b) lynch the scum

[emps]

. I'm still a bit reluctant on Farkran hammer, but if a lot of others agree, I won't stop you.

hold up

[emps]

ehhh i should listen to my own advice i really dont see much, if any, town motivation coming from a lot of his posts.

[emps]

ill look for some scum motivation maybe tmrw morning or smth

[emps]

plus fark is still a stronger sr for me

[emps]

Newbie logic even as scum in my eyes though, you may want to reconsider for your next game after you see the outcome of this one.

teacher is an SE with like 20ish completed games how is he a newbie

[emps]

Fark doesn't die today. He's almost certainly newbtown.

not mind meld

[emps]

Menalque's latest post is typical "i'm scum and i don't know what to say" behavior to me.

does creeper not read like the same exact thing to you?

[emps]

full info from his lynch

the best info lynch is creeper tbh

if ur going to lynch for info, it def shouldnt be mena

[emps]

you entered the tunnel too

"anyone with a scumread on me is tunneling!11!!!111!!"

pal you need a better defense then that

[emps]

Also, they never actually explained the strange scumread on NMSA at that point

wait, who is "they" referring to?

[emps]

. I didn't have a scumread on Menalque so far and i am still reluctant to read him as scum

"not so sure hes scum whatever fuck it *votes mena* L-1"