Mini Normal 2115: Fin

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Town

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No! I can’t trust you Wimpy!

No high fives until I rest assured that you are a brother and not a traitor.

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The town circle is opened to sistas and brothers alike, however, you have to prove yourselves first. The trial commences. It’s not much left...

Recruitment starts right now. You will be selected to be a member of the town circle throughout the game.

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What has Macabre posted in here that he couldn’t post as scum as well?

Your read is awfully rushed. What’s the basis for your read?

VOTE: Aaron Frost

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I was scum in a game where you were town. The one where Flavour Leaf and Vedith were my team mates. Mini something something

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We've also played the Death Note game I think

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the bird isn't obvious town.

also this

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Does that phrase have a secondary meaning I’m not aware of?

You’re not going to replace out just because people suspect you are you?

What was the point of this post by the way? It made me sick to my stomach actually. It feels really weird and it's like against the grain with the thread state. What were you hoping to achieve with this? I get you know he replaced out of games, but what was this achieving? I felt it really unnecessary.

It's totally off-topic and I interpreted it as a personal attack rather than an attempt at figuring out anything.

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Upon a re-read, it doesn't look like I painted it to be, maybe I exaggerated it, but devoid of context it looked like a personal attack. My bad.

The question still doesn't help you figure him out though.

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I'm a sad person trying not to be quite so sad

mood

VOTE: profii

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The question still doesn't help you figure him out though.

It tells me if he’s the type of player to respond poorly to pressure or not which is important to know if he is. His response tells me he’s not that type of player.

VOTE: Alchemist

night

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I didn’t want that quoted.

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Does that phrase have a secondary meaning I’m not aware of?

You’re not going to replace out just because people suspect you are you?

What was the point of this post by the way? It made me sick to my stomach actually. It feels really weird and it's like against the grain with the thread state. What were you hoping to achieve with this? I get you know he replaced out of games, but what was this achieving? I felt it really unnecessary.

It's totally off-topic and I interpreted it as a personal attack rather than an attempt at figuring out anything.

What was the point of bringing attention to it? I don't like how overexaggerated this post is. It was just a simple question.

Looks like I found my first serious scum read this game.

VOTE: insomnia

So what are you scum reading me for again?

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For Ame, I had an initial scum read on profii, nothing too strong, just a gut feeling upon seeing his first vote. I never decided to chase that read but now that Chara voted I thought they had the same idea of scum reading Profii so I decided to vote as well.

The switch on Alchemist I’ll have to explain later this evening because it requires a lot more explaining. It’s not related to the Wimpy - him talk, it’s based on his evaluation on wimpy.

Right now I’m trying to understand Aaron’s vote. It also seems forced, like his Macabre read. I do tend to scum read my voters because I think I’m fairly townie. But I don’t really understand what his progression on me was.

I was also really confrontational as a town and I’d often get backlash from people and Alchemist pushing that without any reason for sorting him felt odd to me. I explained I looked at that post devoid of any context, which is why it felt malicious. I guess I was trying to clear the situation, it was more because I was sympathizing with Wimpy. Idk.

Again, if you read only my post reacting to that, without any context, you’d probably also feel like he just picked on him for his pay style, which, again, I sympathize with.

It just feels out of place, I don’t see the town motivation behind seeing whether someone reacts poorly to pressure. You just see that when it occurs.

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Alchemist, what does the fact that he responds easily to pressure help you with?

Like, if you push him and he starts panicking what do you do?

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The question still doesn't help you figure him out though.

It tells me if he’s the type of player to respond poorly to pressure or not which is important to know if he is. His response tells me he’s not that type of player.

Oh no I am

I'm not sure how he got that conclusion

That's what I was gonna say in my case later tonight. First off, his focus is on trivial stuff, and second, how does he even get that conclusion out of what Wimpy said. It was just about him replacing out if a situation got heated, how did he conclude he doesn't react to pressure. It was about Wimpy starting shit, not the other way around.

That's why I wanna know how Alch connected the dots there.

Town points for you noticing it too tho.

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It's either a really huge misunderstanding, or Alchemist TMI'd Wimpy town and when I pushed him he wanted to appear as if he was doing stuff and actually figuring things out.

The TMI'd him part comes from Alchemist not reading his posts, which I get from him reaching the wrong conclusion. Not once was there a note about Wimpy responding easily to pressure.

And even if there is, the fact that Alchemist focused on that out of all things is still a bad look.

I'm waiting though. Maybe there was some sort of miscommunication going on, or I just don't get how Alch things, regardless, I lean towards Alch being scum for now, mainly because of his focusing and logical leaps.

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Tbh I have a 0/1 read accuracy on Alch, I misread him in another game as well, so I probably shouldn't be the one jumping the gun here. I'll most likely need a sanity check.

I think his playing style is scummy for me regardless. I might have a confirmation bias.

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general willingness to talk to everyone I don’t think that’s the case and put him as slight Town for it.

Can you elaborate on this by the way?

You're reading him town for him interacting with people and saying he doesn't react poorly to pressure and explaining why he subbed out of games??

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Yeah, that makes more sense now that you explained it.

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VOTE: macbre

I won’t remove my vote until he drops this schtick

I have bad news for you

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it doesn't stop. it keeps going on.

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Colonel - Alchemist
Chimera - who the fuck
Scarf Boy - wimpy
sleepy boy - insomnia

thank me later

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For my mental health.

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My perspective on insomnia's 57 is that mafia often dance around their reads because they know they are pushing town and so are sensitive to the fact that their reasoning is flawed in some way.

Ok, don't misrep me here. That read was not because I was dancing around my scum read, I am actually more a type of in your face kind of guy, I don't back down on my scum reads as either alignment. But whatever. Actually, I'm more likely to challenge someone that calls out my read.

The progression was exactly this :

>read that post devoid of context. so, i just saw the second question instead of the first and gave my reaction on that
> looked back to re-check what the whole context was about
> realized that in context it was actually reasonable, but I was still scum reading him for the question that, at it's core, doesn't help him sort wimpy;s alignment. That's the analysis I am making, if I don't see questions that have an intent at sorting, I react at them almost immediately, especially if it's something like that.

If I believed it was a bad push, I would've rechecked and not even posted that, or, if I posted it, I'd keep pushing the idea, not knowing I fucked up. It really is like that with me.

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To clarify the last arrow, I didn't retract anything, I was just apologizing for making him look like a malicious person, not because of my scum read on him. That's maybe where you and the others found it scummy and where I didn't really explain a lot on, mainly because I thought it would be obvious.

Which also explains why my vote is still standing on Alch. I never retracted my read, I just apologized for blowing that out of proportion.

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I still don’t think alchemist is town. Something about his read on me doesn’t think that it awards a town read. A one game experience is not enough to predict how a person would react, let alone understand that person’s thought process.

His read on me can be summarized as “He could’ve also done that, but he didn’t. He could’ve kept pushing, etc”

There’s a lot of variables in there that he has no knowledge on, so I don’t know why his read is that strong. I think my play here is a lot different as well.

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By the way, I think because of my aggressive and tunnely play style, people would much rather lock me town than having to deal with me, so there’s also definitely a motivation for scum!Alch to town read me here.

But I don’t want this to turn into a tunnel again, I’mma let him do his work, I’ll do mine and at EoD if I have nothing better, I’ll most likely advocate for his lynch.

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what do you think of my townread on you?

pedit: to insomnia.

I can follow your thought process on it. It’s much more focused on what’s actually here instead of alch’s additional meta read, which feels contrived.

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I can also tell you don’t have any agenda in town reading me or anything, it kind of flowed naturally, in the sense that you noticed that retraction, gave it a town read, focused elsewhere and when the time came to express some reads you remembered that retraction which you initially town read. Feels natural.

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Why are literally all of Egix’s posts about profi

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If people don’t want to follow me on Alch then I’m willing to compromise on Egix

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Chara, walk me through your scum read on JB? Actually kinda following his thought process on Egix and profii. Although "premature", there's definitely a reasonable thing to assume. It's almost like you disregard the reads in an of themselves because he just made a pre-flip association instead of looking individually into each of them. You mentioned profii was a little scummy already, you think Egix is not either?

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I think Ame is town fwiw.

Someone's gonna have to sort Aaron for me.

JB is a town lean for me. So is Luca, although it's weak.

I am careful with clearing Chara here, I'm waiting for them to answer my question, but I feel like they should've been a lot more obvious as a town here, just based on my memory from other games.

Egix is scum for me. So is Alch.

Looker...is probably sitting at a null.

Wimpy's prob town, but it could be biased.

Eevolution (sorry if I butchered it) has to post more, I don't think anything is AI so far that it deserves a read right now.

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Like maybe you could've been trying to instigate something there but it honestly seemed like you were trying to figure out whether his reaction to pressure would be personality indicative or alignment indicative which is +town points for you

Why though? I think this is a... what do you call it? Flimsy trust tell?

Again, just because he asked if Wimpy's easily falling to pressure doesn't mean that :

a) He's not gonna push him
b) He's actually gonna consider this at some point

Asking him if he falls easily for pressure is literally pointless here. I don't see why it's worthy of town points. It's not sorting Wimpy's role and he didn't even come to the right conclusion with regards to pressure.

I guess the best way to put it is that Alch is really methodical in his approach to what he chooses to focus on out of his own volition. The town read on me, the pressure thing with Wimpy.

Again, asking someone whether they are easily pressured is not an indicator for figuring them, since it's asked in a way that's NAI.

Realistically speaking, when are you ever going to stop pushing someone that you think is scum just because they flail as either alignment? lol

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I don't think they're scum together if that's what you are referring to.

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So your read on profii is town because our reasoning for accusing him is lackluster? That makes him an auto town?

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VOTE: egix

@ me if anyone wants to wagon alch

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meh nvm

VOTE: Alch

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Lol totally missed that Egix vote.

Egix, please explain, I'm lost.

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> i initially scum read him
> i placed a vote
> read his post and thought "there's no way a wolf would be this blunt about a fucked up read like that one"
> moved back to my most confident scum read because I wasn't expecting that reaction out of egix

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is this why Alch is scum, or an explanation for why Frost's idea doesn't make him towny?

Both.

I’m not sure how that helps you with anything though?

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I think Aaron’s scum as well, he literally has no reason to have his vote on me at this point. Not only is he not accomplishing a thing by keeping it on me, but he’s also directly going against his belief that rvs is made to generate pressure and discussion, get people’s thoughts on someone and see what happens from there.

There’s virtually no attempt from aaron to even figure me out, he placed a vote for something that would look scummy and then never came back to this read.

His questions are also not figuring anyone out.

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He’s acting more like I’m town than someone that he’s trying to push because they’re scum by the way he’s posturing

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VOTE: AaronFrost

This or alch idrc

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Yeah not moving my vote, prepare for an all out war aaron.

Actually no cuz like people will say it’s t/t if we go at each other

It’s not even like I haven’t posted, I’m top poster, you had tons of shit you could’ve commented on, especially me being your only serious scum read. You’re really clinging on to that.

Push on things that are gonna make someone more probable of flipping scum, not things that makes someone look scummy, bud

P-edit : yeah i bet you were gonna switch to profii, how convenient

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Profii, vote aaron

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I saw aaron trying to distance himself from me ever since I started refuting his case centuries ago

The enchantress sees it all.

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One thing I find interesting about this wagon is that no one has really jumped to profii's defense. Most people seem to have him as a scumread and/or are voting him right now. Is anybody townreading him right now? If so why?

I am, and it's for something similar to what you've pointed out here - I think that he's been under too much suspicion for too little reasoning (or, to put it another way, I see people voting him but I don't find the reasoning to be all that compelling). I would be very surprised if he flipped red.

Are you townreading him regardless of the fact that his push has had no resistance? Like what are your thoughts on his posting right now?

Just reading this post tells me you’re posturing for voting profii.

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Do I need to comment on every single one of your posts? Just because I haven't commented on them doesn't mean I haven't been observing them or taking them into consideration. They way you respond to the vote is what's telling and I think in general you've responded fairly well to it.

I've also responded to your cases so

I’ve responded to it pages ago, why didn’t you state the town read and moved earlier if my reaction was townie ever since you voted me?

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You kept on saying it was bad and blown out of proportion but now it is townie?

Feel my wrath.

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And now you weren’t gonna switch your vote to profii “just now”, you wanted to get egix to talk on it first, but my post prompted you to do just that.

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I think I am starting to lean town on you a bit atm but

I'll need to do an ISO dive at some point

which I don't have a lot of time for atm.

Do I need to comment on every single one of your posts? Just because I haven't commented on them doesn't mean I haven't been observing them or taking them into consideration.

They way you respond to the vote is what's telling and I think in general you've responded fairly well to it.

I've also responded to your cases so

So you haven’t really been observing them.

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VOTE: Exix96
I am not a fan of day 1.
I will be keeping up with the thread but don't expect any long detailed reads lists.

And we found our first scum

VOTE: JT Bart

Nobody is a fan of day 1.

Yet we all have to do it

So I find it really frustrating in every other game I play when someone comes in and goes "Day one? Nope"

It's not fair on all the other players

Profii, would love if you could clarify whether the first post was RVS or you were actually scum reading him for saying that?

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I actually changed my mind on Egix and think he's town. It's hard for me to fathom that he'd actively defend villager profii here against my and chara's votes knowing that at some point in the game, he'd have to explain that defence, especially because it's his first form of contribution and it stands out.

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Aaron how do you typically feel about the RVS stage of the game?

Not liking this question.

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Lowkey tending to town read Eevee as well. Lurkers are usually under the mindset that they will lie somewhere in the PoE and will be a suspect regardless, so what I'm looking for here is some form of posting that speaks from the mindset of "Look, I might not be here a lot, but when I am I really do stuff", some form of self-awareness.

Eevee seems to be more like a town lurker, mainly because she (/he ?) doesn't care about what she posts when she comes in the thread. It's like, I see a post, I react to it, I pop out, shrug. There's not really an agenda of trying to look like she's doing too much work in order to get town read.

Hope that makes sense.

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I guess the same can be said about JB. It takes some massive balls as a lurker on day one to post like that and maintain consistency. The fact that he's not trying to get town read by interacting in the thread and acting all friendly and stuff to other people is townie. He's just pushing whatever he finds relevant.

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I think on Day one it's important to establish a block of people you're gonna lynch and people that you're not gonna lynch.

That block of people I am more than happy to lynch looks like this :

profii/aaron/alchemist

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Also, valuable thing to point out :

> he scum read me for commenting on the whole situation and how it was blown out of proportion
> when I defended myself he said he scum read me for how I retracted my vote
> now he says I initially reacted townie to his vote

Bruh

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They way you respond to the vote is what's telling and I think in general you've responded fairly well to it.

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I don't get it. Luca's voting for aaron and I don't really see them scum together? Can you elaborate a bit?

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Actually the bird might have a point about wimpy and alch.

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I think my PoE that

probably

hits 2 scum and has a town is something like Aaron > Alch > profii

I really don't wanna lynch outside of that, unless someone presents a really compelling case on someone.

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The bird is town and you need to start actually scum hunting Wimpy or my town read on you and perhaps everyone else's will fade real quick. I already have you trending down massively.

For someone that presents himself as a person that pushes his reads with conviction and is always looking to debate, you sure as hell are not doing a thing in this game. You're just sitting on a lynch because "he speaks weird".

There's 16 pages of content, I'll eventually read you as scum that struggles with manufacturing fake scum reads.

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Why do you think Alch and profii can’t be scum together? I haven’t seen anything that proves that theory or at least makes it somewhat viable. @Ame

I think this Luca thing is blown out of proportion, Aaron was much worse with his progression on me.

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Cleanse that JT town read. I actually lied because of conf bias, I don’t have anything strong to base my read on him. He was more of a PoE town read than anything because I thought I’d always hit scum in alch - profii and aaron.

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Profii sobbing about how he was a point of contention and busy posting right now is giving me the chillies now that everyone focuses on Luca. He could always post about actual reads than keep on apologizing and saying he’s going somewhere.

It’s weird because he didn’t even have any votes when he said that. I think he thought he was getting a much larger amount of heat than players were actually giving him, and him freaking out when his usual play style is to ignore whatever’s going on with his slot is definitely eyebrow raising.

Neutral mentality? Being extra self-aware and self-centered reads to me as he’s trying to actively fight against a lynch that isn’t even happening, which reeks of like neutral mentality.

Claiming he’s playing devil’s advocate is basically admitting to not taking a stance on anything and just posting for the sake of posting.

Lynch Aaron, get Profii next.

I’ll re-assess Luca but I don’t think we’re hitting scum there tbh

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All people on Luca wagon should be evaluated tomorrow.

If this is a jester then omegalul

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Fuck man why am I so bad at playing scum

I probably get lynched today 9/10 times so I'm gonna try my best not to draw associations

This post heavily implies he wasn’t in an anti-spew mentality before this.

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Someone should check JB because he’s left out of the PoE as well.

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Macabre is town. This is a 100% serious read.

V/LA today. Be back tomorrow.

Macabre spewed

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So you scumread Alch because he came to the conclusion that you don't respond poorly to pressure which you later responded saying that you don't respond well to it.

Was it the question in 49 that pinged you? Because I could definitely see that coming from scum if he wanted to try and instigate something.

The way the second question is formed makes me believe he’s scum with Alch. He’s basically giving Wimpy a reason to vote him and Alch never picked up on it.

I also find it hard that he’d actually ever say this if Alch was flipping town, here. Sadly.

This is way too reckless posting for a self-aware scum unless he knew he wouldn’t have to face any heat because the person he’s leaning scum to is his scum buddy.

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What's spew?

Aaron spewed (cleared) Macabre town for that stupid town read. He treated his slot just like he treated mine. Exactly the same. Ignored the slot because he posts in a gimmicky way and figured nobody would listen to him. Plus, that’s not how you town read a scum partner

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Vigi shoot alch please, truuuuuust

Cop check JB / profii.

That’s it, speed lynch Aaron and set his soul free.

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So you scumread Alch because he came to the conclusion that you don't respond poorly to pressure which you later responded saying that you don't respond well to it.

Was it the question in 49 that pinged you? Because I could definitely see that coming from scum if he wanted to try and instigate something.

The way the second question is formed makes me believe he’s scum with Alch. He’s basically giving Wimpy a reason to vote him and Alch never picked up on it.

I also find it hard that he’d actually ever say this if Alch was flipping town, here. Sadly.

This is way too reckless posting for a self-aware scum unless he knew he wouldn’t have to face any heat because the person he’s leaning scum to is his scum buddy.

i read this the opposite way, in that it's too reckless to post if Alch is his partner. it's hard to imagine a scum Frost who posts that in the scum PT digging through and giving reasons for his partner to be scum, unless he really thinks it's a bad enough reason to not get traction.

you do have a point i agree with more about Alch not reacting to this.

We’ll have to agree to disagree here. In the same way, Wimpy is cleared because Aaron wouldn’t be handing his scum buds reasons to hop on town like that. If alch was town.

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What's spew?

Aaron spewed (cleared) Macabre town for that stupid town read. He treated his slot just like he treated mine. Exactly the same. Ignored the slot because he posts in a gimmicky way and figured nobody would listen to him. Plus, that’s not how you town read a scum partner

Not true at all.

Yes it is.

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9/11 happened so now all airplanes crash into buildings is what you’re saying

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Chara I don’t believe you actually think you’d be losing the game. Thought you were our saviour.

I’ll go at you tomorrow as well if I have the privilege of staying alive.

You sound way more pissed than Wimpy here because I’m clearing a lot of people that you are looking at as mislynchable or what’s the issue?

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What reaction do you expect, I’m doing fucking post-flip analysis because there’s a high chance that i’ll die

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WE’RE LITERALLY LYNCHING SCUM WHAT THE FUCK WIMPY

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Saying we shouldn’t consider Frost’s spew because it’s only day one is nonsensical.

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I don’t get what you’re mad about, the fact that I’m doing what we should do at this time and not a day later or what

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I admit it can come off as biasy, but I still think my analysis is good and you agreed with half of it.

Alch is scummy independently of Frost anyway so.

Try seeing if your mental map of how a wolf would approach that situation if you had the information he hates playing scum and is self-aware. It’s much more likely you’ll say stuff like that it your partner is scum and use it later as an anti-spew. If he decides to push on it, fine, it clears someone in the end. If he doesn’t, you have post-flip analysis and you come out with that post and say “See, I also suspected Alch”

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I don’t see him saying that as a self-aware knowing that Alch is gonna flip town at some point, the same analysis I made on Egix.

He also said that, saw Alch didn’t want to push him (presumably) and then he said he town reads Alch to distance from that accusation.

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looker - alch - profii - chara - JB

in this exact order. Final PoE for me :shrug:

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Macabre is the closest thing that I can apply to the definition of thread spewed, as well as spewed from his interactions with Aaron.

The fact that Chara is denying this is making me puzzled, with their level of experience I would expect them to come to the same conclusion.

Nobody drops a town read on their scum bud like that and when he starts posting they say "Lmao idk what macabre is posting but I'm laughing my ass off"

that's not a s/s interaction, like, ever.

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it's so strange how Frost being confirmed scum and insomnia's reaction to it has completely eroded the strong TR i had there.

*scum slips*

> oh wow we got em

*starts post-flip analysis as soon as possible*

> hol' on that's scummy fam

like what?

My reaction was analysing post-flip and working and you actually have this thought?

this reads fake as fuck chara.

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There's no way you have this thought, especially after I town slipped for considering the possibility of a jester in a normal. That should've made you 100% confident on me being town, that reaction is townie. Because scum are more likely to just bandwagon them after they slipped without considering him lying about it. Because they know he's scum so they just want the cred.

The fact that I considered the possibility of a jester after he slipped in a normal game, from your pov, should've cleared me.

See ya tomorrow Chara.

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i do still wonder why there's a need to rush.

of course we should consider it. it's just not a good idea to take one single post and declare someone conftown from it. basically ever, really.

Seems to me like you're more pissed at the fact I'm clearing obvtown that looks mislynchable as fuck from your perspective, that's what these post reflect.

You're more mad at the fact I'm clearing people than me making my analysis.

There's no way you're getting your jimmies rustled by me *rushing* things. What's the difference between me doing this right now and me doing it the next day phase??? I'd come to the same conclusion. Just because there's a different day, the information doesn't change, and my analysis of it doesn't either.

But what changes is that I can't clear your allocated mislynch pool when I'm dead and can't argue with you on it.

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i'm saying to be critical about it.

what gives you the impression I'm not being critical about it?

you're not even figuring me out, just like aaron. That last page was all about denying my reads and lowering my credit.

You straw manned everything, the scum read on Alch wasn't solely based on his interaction with Aaron. You just assumed it was. Do you even read my posts? I guess not. Guess who else didn't

you just put the biggest target on your back after this EoD thing that isn't even EoD. A town's read doesn't just shake after their strongest town read starts literally doing what ought to be done after a confirmed scum scum claimed.

Moreover, I don't think you'd clear Luca over me here, given I was the one who kept pushing Aaron for the entirety of toDay.

It's so hard to envision the fact someone gets pissed at an essentially locked town read of theirs after they start analysing a confirmed scum. They'd actually debate and shit. You just flat out denied them and scum read me for clearing people.

This is the nr 1 thing to do, this is the only instance when a confirmed town can also analyse the confirmed scum's posts (that they have also pushed) IN THE SAME DAY.

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This, for me, is like literal night posting lmfao

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#485 > #487

in 487 is the true reason why chara made that 180

you know who to lynch next peeps

[insomnia]

I do have almost 9 months of experience and I correctly identified a scum.

Not sure why I wouldn’t consider being offed here?

Stop straw manning, the whole point was not that I am sad nobody’s following me. The point was, the progression that chara’s going through is non-sensical and I proved why.

I think it’s a fair assumption to make, I’m not as cocky. Most of you don’t even know, but I always switch off my scum reads. I might act one way in the thread but in my head I keep second guessing.

Please actually read and attempt to understand what I’m saying rather than wasting time on discrediting a locked town. You got other things to do.

[insomnia]

Stop straw manning

stop with the buzz words. I am not strawmanning, i am speaking the truth. if you don't like it fine, but that is what I think.

“I am speaking the truth” followed by “I think” is not speaking objective truth.

[insomnia]

Pretty sure egix hammered it.

[insomnia]

It's so hard to envision the fact someone gets pissed at an essentially locked town read of theirs after they start analysing a confirmed scum. They'd actually debate and shit. You just flat out denied them and scum read me for clearing people.

when did i get pissed at you? i was debating. i gave my opinion on your conclusion about Alch, and about Macabre when i said i've seen scum make those sorts of posts about their partners so i didn't consider it clearing.

i did get a kneejerk scumread from disagreeing with you, but it didn't last when i remembered the fact you were the reason Frost was being wagoned in the first place, and why i had TRed you in the first place. you can disbelieve that it wasn't on my mind at the time i posted the scumread (i understand it seems like a stretch), but if i do get lynched (over confirmed scum would be pretty wild even for me, but if Ame's pushing it it feels possible enough), you'll have learned a fun fact about my fickle memory.

you keep saying i've gotten angry when i haven't gotten angry at all. i was having fun and got excited. you, on the other hand, have been very angry, in a way that i know is justified even if i didn't agree with you.

You cherry picked this out of all my posts? ok.

[insomnia]

I didn't mean gets pissed. but it's okay. you'll fight harder.

i hope wimpy's right and i suck at the game

so i can tunnel you tomorrow

p-edit : i was talking about aaron, not you.

[insomnia]

The case holistically, not cherry picking stuff that's poorly explained. I am not pre-filtering my thoughts so that my cases are literally not able to be fought against. I guess this opens some leeway for obvious cherry picking, which is fine. It makes people look worse.

My whole point was that your 180 on me had no sense and I exposed your real agenda for scum reading me there.

[insomnia]

Ame you and me should hydra to be honest

[insomnia]

i do still wonder why there's a need to rush.

of course we should consider it. it's just not a good idea to take one single post and declare someone conftown from it. basically ever, really.

Seems to me like you're more pissed at the fact I'm clearing obvtown that looks mislynchable as fuck from your perspective, that's what these post reflect.

You're more mad at the fact I'm clearing people than me making my analysis.

There's no way you're getting your jimmies rustled by me *rushing* things. What's the difference between me doing this right now and me doing it the next day phase??? I'd come to the same conclusion. Just because there's a different day, the information doesn't change, and my analysis of it doesn't either.

But what changes is that I can't clear your allocated mislynch pool when I'm dead and can't argue with you on it.

how about addressing this, chara? instead of cherry picking stuff.

[insomnia]

i don't pre-filter my thoughts either. that's why i posted my scumread on you. after thinking about it i realized it didn't make sense.

i might need to reread for what my agenda was in scumreading you. a discredit, i think? i understand there are plenty of scum who would want to do that and why, and so unfortunately all i can say is i'm too overcautious as scum to think any part of last night would be a good idea.

does the 180 make sense if you consider it from a point of view that wasn't thinking about how you were the main force driving Frost?

no. it doesn't make sense either way.

the fact you had a strong tr on me and then forgot i was the driving force behind aaron's lynch is telling me you also tmi'd me.

it doesn't make sense because of my #503 that I'd like you to address. you have two contradictory reasons for scum reading me there, please explain. One's for "rushing things" the other is "clears people based on one post"

the latter one being solid scum mentality, textbook 101 mafia scum.

[insomnia]

i thought it was strange that you wanted to do postflip analysis

?????

[insomnia]

yeah, because it's a reason for scum reading me. What's the issue?

is it town reasoning or

[insomnia]

You're saying it like those two things combined would make a townie reasoning. it doesn't.

your push contradicts it, because you stated you felt like I rushed stuff for no reason and then, from your 487, the real reason for scum reading me is because i was clearing people...based on post-flip analysis.

when's that ever a town thought? you either agree / disagree with it.

[insomnia]

so, what does it tell you if I rush it? why's it scum indicative, especially if I know I'm not dying as scum and have time to post? Especially when I'm literally confirmed, or at least like 90% cleared and am not getting any heat for the next few dayphases?

your common sense flopped there if you're town and it's not really my fault, you snapped at me without any reason. I don't know why you made such a big deal out of it

[insomnia]

I think you really made a huge scum slip. It could be something like projecting, because you know you can't die at night so when you saw what I was doing you saw it scummy and worthy of pushing. Even though it makes no sense.

You forgetting your strongest town read makes no sense.

I'm blaming your common sense if you're town. You still didn't explain 503.

p-edit : My point is not that you DISAGREE with me. My point is that you were scum reading me for "rushing things and doing post-flip analysis quickly" and then you seemed to be MORE MAD at the fact that I WAS CLEARING PEOPLE based on my analysis. Again, not rushing things and doing post-flip analysis, but because I was clearing people.

What I'm saying is, the rushing things shit is a pretext to hide from your real agenda, which was shutting my analysis down (that's the intention i spot behind your 487)

what's so hard to understand???

in 485 you treat me like a scum and in 487 you're telling me not to clear people based on shallow reasoning, meaning you think I'm town.

You are switching stances on me that are contradictory. In one post you read me scum, and in the next you basically say I'm town and are shutting me down. (Not with those words, that's what your 487 is saying. Not the words, the intention behind the post)

That's the whole point.

[insomnia]

Your switch on stances is unnatural, as in...You aren't emotionally consistent.

If you were truly triggered and saw a scum motive in my quick analysis or whatever your reason was (doesn't really matter for this demonstration)

you don't just switch your read on me in the next few posts.

[insomnia]

That push was one of the dumbest things ever

i'm actually pissed if you're town here

no joke.

no way you forget a fucking town read.

[insomnia]

I'm literally not switching from you if I'm alive.

[insomnia]

It's not just that, but the fact you're not town reading Macabre...

And I've already explained it. The jester thing was obvious town slip. It's not even a problem with a memory, as that was a more recent thing. It was before you posted the 487 or what post it was where it said my town read was fading.

[insomnia]

Fuck I wanna town read you but I'm still pretty pissed.

[insomnia]

You're more likely town than not but fuck me man. That was really confusing.

I'm out of energy.

[insomnia]

Back to lynching Alch I guess

[insomnia]

@Ame give me a sanity check on Chara when you come back here, please.

I think it all makes sense if she forgot the read and all, especially knowing her early progression on me where she forgot what she town read me for and then stumbled upon a new post and remembered.

I don't see a scum agenda behind it, I don't think a wolf would push like that. It's too risky.

I still feel safe with alch, he's not towning it up.

What are your scum reads, ask me to sort someone for you if you have blanks on people

[insomnia]

I still feel safe with alch, he's not towning it up.

i have some experience with Alch, but not enough to know what to expect from him.

what do you think of the timing of his vote on Frost?

I don't care about timing as much as I do about the reasoning of the vote.

Right now I'm trying to evaluate the legitimacy of the slip. I think they'd use that if the team was exactly Aaron - profii - alchemist because they got all the heat on day one, and it would only be normal to make some play like that in order to clear people.

I think Alch saying that profii is cleared if aaron is scum is still pretty vague and weird, I barely remember them having any interactions at all. Maybe he can expound on that and give some reasons for that conclusion.

[insomnia]

It's mind boggling how someone can slip. It would presume that their scum mate was posting in the thread and he saw their picture and thought it was the scum PT.

Like, I imagine you see some posts first when you press on the thread, you don't just post without checking where you're posting as scum. Especially with Aaron being self-conscious about it all, it seems weird he wouldn't double check.

And also, look at the message he sends..."I think I'm getting lynched here, I'm gonna try not to spew anyone"

I mean, I guess for a self-conscious person is acceptable, but like...Did he

really

think he was getting lynched there?

I find it weird he had that thought the second time and not the first time where people straight up bandwagonned him after my read on him. The spew process already began really early. That scum slip implies he felt safe before, so why feel scared now, especially after not receiving any additional votes?

Curios.

[insomnia]

Otoh, I don't think my mental map of how a wolf would react after the premeditated slip is the same as how Aaron approached it.

It feels as if he actually is taking his time with openly lol-catting, probably because he never experienced it and is genuinely wanting to die at this point.

So, I don't think it was a planned slip like Ame thinks it was.

If it was meant to clear someone, I don't think Aaron would've lolcatted consistently. I think he would've done so for the time he was sitting at his PC and then never come back, because he achieved what he wanted. There's no need to continue with the shtick.

If that aspect was planned as well, then their scum partners are good. Like, real good.

[insomnia]

Doc should be on Ame by the way.

[insomnia]

Yeah, that's the conclusion I came to.

[insomnia]

alch, who's your top scum read and why?

[insomnia]

I like the webbing argument.

I’m down to lynch JTB as I thought he was scummy upon a re-read.

[insomnia]

Uhhh Chara nk’d?

[insomnia]

At least I learned that I have a certificate in “Shit Alch Reads”

So I’ll never attempt to read him again. I still think he had weird leaps, especially his meta point about me. I actually think he lied about it just for the sake of the read or just went with a shot in the dark, a complete assumption.

[insomnia]

Ame, what’s your main?

[insomnia]

I actually think Profii is scum here so i don’t wanna rush stuff.

[insomnia]

I don’t get what you’re trying to say at all, I didn’t even say what I scum read you for.

If you’re referring to that day one post than yeah, I did say it. It can’t be helped, it’s inherently scummy for me, even if it’s messed up, and I can’t change that.

Rest assured, my read on you has little to do with that though.

I remembered the point that Alch made about you not taking hard stances. And your interactions with Aaron don’t help either.

I’m not rushing it though. I think that you believe I am scum reading you a lot more than I actually am. I just need to like re-check some stuff, but the main thing was seeing the Alch town flip and going “Now i remember that profii stance”

[insomnia]

I don’t get what you want me to address either.

[insomnia]

I am the most town

I don’t think you believe that

I am scum here

[insomnia]

Scum also want to town read me, they can’t help it

Stop lying to yourself

[insomnia]

Profii achieved nothing with our interaction that makes him solve me tbh

[insomnia]

I’m not seeing Egix scum, Ame.

Thinking your read on Egix is very dependent on JT’s flip.

[insomnia]

Why are Looker and ELA cleared?

Looker actually is a viable option. I'll change my back up to her. She can only be scum with you or Egix though, so the best play is all to lynch you vig Egix.

Insomnia led the lynch on Aaron. EV threw shade at a concensus town read for voting Aaron and so is pseudo confirmed to me.

OK, well town has a mislynch. So now it's day 3 and me and Egix are both flipped town. How do you re-evaluate the game now?

I don’t like this post

[insomnia]

I don’t like it because you’re using Egix here to add to your “impactful statement”

Even though you have no consideration of the slot. You don’t actually town read him.

[insomnia]

I actually think Profii is scum here so i don’t wanna rush stuff.

Well that seems like a fairly definitive scum read and given I've done the grand total of not a lot it doesn't really make a lot of sense

I dont really like any votes or reads without reasons so I just take exception to you

*shrug*

If you've done nothing town indicative, when you even admitted to not doing (refer back to the post where you said you aren't pushing shit here because you can't claim PR when rushed because you aren't one), then why doesn't it make sense for me to scum read you?

Regardless, I feel like you're telling the truth here and don't have anything really scummy about you. Except for the fact that you could get PoE'd.

I actually read back to that Aaron interaction and I think you come out more town than scum.

[insomnia]

bottom line is poe not scumreads though

That's probably an all town PoE.

[insomnia]

Fair, mostly I'm trying to see if Ame can imagine scenarios outside his current groove so I was being provocative. I do think Egix is town tho

why?

[insomnia]

I’d honestly lynch there, no hesitation if Obvious flips town.

I do think I have scum in my town reads I just can’t find him

[insomnia]

Even though he’s probably town because nobody as scum would ever do that

I’ll still lynch him

[insomnia]

See, I don’t like this. That’s why I’d lynch him.

[insomnia]

Wimpy, sort literally anyone else this day phase or I'm vigging you.

[insomnia]

Macabre, can you go into some solo analysis, as in, analysis that's not based on interactions between people?

[insomnia]

Wimpy's very efficient.

[insomnia]

that is some very nice beetlejuicing by birdman btw. means he is paying attention and probably posting in his scum forum.

[insomnia]

Also @Mac why did you need insomnia's view of wimpy and Alch's relation to determine your read on the situation?

The sleepy boy seemed to come to the wrong conclusion upon the Colonel Burger relationship early in the previous day! What did it truly accomplish? Think beyond the immediate and pull back the layers! Not as innocent as this sleepy boy seemed to think. Restful!

I said they're not scum partners and I was right.

[insomnia]

I am not going to face defeat in the face of despair. I am the powerwolfer, I bussed the ghost and claimed my town card. It's all going according to my plan. You worry!

[insomnia]

VOTE: Obvious Scum

[insomnia]

Why did she bus and not me?

[insomnia]

Ame, the hood claim is probably an indicator as to Egix and Obv not being together. Who's third?

[insomnia]

[unv][/unv]

chill

[insomnia]

UNVOTE:

[insomnia]

Idgaf there's a third scum out there that is potentially escaping a day phase of inquiry.

p-edit I'm honestly just gonna shoot you.

[insomnia]

Hold the fuck on

[insomnia]

based on #827 Ame thinks Looker and I are town now.

So you are voting him because Ame thinks you guys are town? What do YOU think about looker?

[insomnia]

Thanks for playing with me here Wimpy, I just realised how people felt about me when I was playing here. Game changing experience.

[insomnia]

I'm not really paying much attention, I'm burnt out. I gotta sleep.

[insomnia]

I disagree with every single one of Wimpy’s posts but he might be right on Obs, virtue of sheeping Ame.

[insomnia]

I don’t think Obs lied about the actual claim, the only thing would be whether or not he lied about his alignment.

[insomnia]

Macabre was also hiding his statue and intentionally lurking. Right after I call him out for it he posts within 20 minutes and his log in status still said Saturday. Imo town doesn’t do that.

[insomnia]

Man when bird man flips scum I’m gonna copy pasta all over your ass

[insomnia]

If the bird man flips scum, it will ultimately be an arbitrary call than actual scum hunting but I'll give you the satisfaction.

[insomnia]

I think Looker's scummier than OS.

I mean, it's hard for me to envision a third with OS. Looker has a general theme of not trying to sort anyone.

[insomnia]

I'm sorting Looker with the assumption that there aren't two scum in the hood either.

[insomnia]

I think there's scum in the universal town reads.

[insomnia]

I don’t think he’s that good of a scum hunter that he actually caught scum.

nobody asked.

[insomnia]

VOTE: Looker

[insomnia]

They aren't. I just think Looker is scummier than Obvs and still think there's scum between the high town reads. Game doesn't feel solved.

[insomnia]

I think you're like...Scrutinising it to a higher degree than you should. He stated that there weren't any pocket attempts and said that Looker feels like town independently from the thread, not because there was no pocket in their masonry or whatever.

[insomnia]

Eevee, can you give some thoughts on Looker / OS? Preferably both, if you could. I'd like to have some of your solving for posterity, because there will be a time where I will *probably* be dead here and won't be able to defend you. I know you're town, but later in the game, any push can happen.

[insomnia]

{Egix, profii, Luca}
{EVL, macabre}

{Wimpy}

{Ame}
{Looker, Obvious Scum}

[insomnia]

Actually, I'd like to replace EVL with profii there.

[insomnia]

Yo, OS, can you explain to me how you immediately made the leap that the hood had to be all town?

[insomnia]

Okay, I think I'm here now. First, the simple approach.

@Ame / JTheophrastus Bartholomew / Luca Blight / Egix96 / profii:

Who among you is town? I don't really expect any of you to know, but it's good for managing consistency in the future. I personally have no idea.

VOTE: Luca Blight Votes keep the game moving

I think that... this vote virtually accomplishes nothing. I've notice a recurrent thing where Looker keeps on moving his vote around, all the while not having any value, really. This vote is like a semi-serious vote? I did like the last sentence though, it seemed townie.

I picked the names based off the avatars I could remember. I'm typically capable of keeping all of this stuff in my head.

VOTE: Ame Did you not like my question?

Spoiler:

personal tally, in too many games

Ame (1)

- Looker

Alchemist21 (2)

- insomnia, Macabre

Macabre (2)

- Alchemist21, Wimpy

insomnia (1)

- AaronFrost

JTheophrastus Bartholomew (3)

- profii, Egix96, Chara

profii (2)

- Ame, Luca Blight

Egix96 (1)

- JTheophrastus Bartholomew

Not Voting (1)

— EeveeLution Army

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Again, the vote. I guess what bothers me about it is that, he seems to want to put pressure on people (that is, by voting them) and it comes up as really demanding for an answer, but then, Looker just doesn't really care about the answer / doesn't really evaluate anything based on it. As we can see in the next post :

In 169 you stated that you were caught up but skimmed and would begin isoing. Later in 175 you confirmed a town read on Aaron. (1) Presumably, you went through his iso at this point, yes?

Over two new pages were produced by the time of your next post, 234. Again, 175 indicates that you were caught up with the thread up to 175, or at least with Aaron up to that point. (2) What prodded you in 234/235 to go back and review pre-175? I presume you had not yet caught up with the 2 new pages because in 237 you stated that you were unaware of Alchemist's post on the previous page. (3) Is this presumption correct?

It's just curious to me that you read back through something you had already read back through and formed a solid opinion on, while there was new content available that you had not yet caught up on.

I skim through the thread and then read back in more detail later - that is my usual habit.

For example, the recent stuff about Frost above I haven’t yet given my attention to - I’ll read back though it when I have the time and energy to do so.

I’m having a change of heart on Frost, based on his reaction to Insomnia’s pressure which comes across as appeasement. I also agree that his Insomnia SR seemed a bit faked in that he doesn’t really do anything with it and just coasts on it for a while until he is pressured into jumping off. And thirdly I agree that it looks as though he had been positioning himself to vote Profii for some time before he did so.

VOTE: Frost

@Macabre / AaronFrost / profii / Alchemist21

:

• Do you find this interaction suspicious?
  
• Do you feel that either of these players is town?

UNVOTE:

He unvoted right after Ame has posted something, which the post didn't even really have anything to do with Looker's question? And, again, he falls back to an objective stance, let's the slots he votes for do their thing, and then someone else should have some form of analysis based on something that the slots say. I guess it doesn't really add up, in terms of displaying the same mentality, it's not really consistent. His follow-through to the voting for pressure aren't really telling Looker anything about their alignment.

[insomnia]

...which would explain why Insomnia was kept alive - Ame had invested in him.

I don't really care at this point, I have a reputation that I suck at scum hunting anyway. With my erratic play style and me changing reads constantly, people feel as though I can be easily persuaded or I am not an actual threat. I don't think it reads anything into that, I don't see myself as the Night 1 kill, and it does make sense. The Night 1 kill is, usually, someone that's not really committed to the thread, but that has a reputation that is preceding them as solid scum hunters. Because the protect would never be on them, it would be on me, because I lynched scum.

Unless I change my play style and play from the shadows, I will never be the Night 1 kill. But, there needs to be someone that is constantly solving and asking questions for other people to analyse, so I do have my role as well. Without players like me, good scum hunters that are lurking wouldn't exist. Because they'd have to spend their time asking questions and wouldn't have the information handed to them on a silver platter, so they'd be wasting more time gathering the information instead of inferring from it.

[insomnia]

Making the case isn't scummy, having the confidence you have on it I think was what he was trying to point out was scummy. If you believe you're rarely right on something, why would you display such confidence?

[insomnia]

I'd rather lynch Looker than OS to be honest. I am not much of a good spec analyser, but it does seem like the hood was probably designed to make OS suspicious on one of the guys in the hood and force some fighting in there while scum are provided with some cover.

[insomnia]

Why are Looker and ELA cleared?

Luca / egix / looker towncore
Wimpy -- 701 more likely to come from town imo
Birb-- terrible iso but aaron's early townread looks like a transparent pocket attempt at a glance. Not fully exculpatory tho
ame -- still thinking about this


Profii / insomnia / ela

I am absent reasons to townread these three atm so if anyone wants to enlighten me I'm all ears

can you explain the shift in reads wrt looker here?

[insomnia]

Yeah I fucking missed the mirror thing motion detector claim

and I would've gotten away with it

god damn it

[insomnia]

Yeah I fucking missed the mirror thing motion detector claim

and I would've gotten away with it

god damn it

Just needed to double down and bus pers too

Still it was fine I deserved that bus I was playing terrible

oh wait what, which head were you of that hydra?

[insomnia]

Now I get your reasoning for scum reading me and it make me lean you even more town

but out of that i can infer even you wouldn't expect me to actually find scum on day one you thought i bussed

[insomnia]

NSG was in that game? lol let me re-read, did we off her n1?

[insomnia]

Lmfao

tbh not having day chat was really bad there, i actually wanted to come out as the best lynch but while still spewing you hard but like i might've overdone it

[insomnia]

Now I'm like even more confident in OS as town and therefore would love lynching Looker over him.

[insomnia]

OS I do think you have a bad PoE but we can consolidate on it

[insomnia]

I think he was town but then I re-read him again and I still have nothing *too strong* on him to feel that confident - admittedly I do tend to proxy scum lean him anyway, just like alch, idk, they're both tonally scummy to me regardless of their alignments. I do think he has some good interactions going for him.

I guess it's more of a pride thing, as in, if I die, I want my list to be somewhat accurate and I don't want a potential scum in top towns. Like I don't want my legacy to be "never re-evaluate profii, he's locked"

[insomnia]

I am not that confident on profii, but I am more confident in Looker being scum here.

[insomnia]

@Chara
In post 206, Chara wrote:
Looker wearing his heart on his sleeve (along with his process) is interesting. i kind of like it.
(1) What in Looker's post above are you referencing as wearing their heart on their sleeve? (2) Have you played with Looker before?

This was...hmmmmmmmmmmm. This is the only time Ame /acknowledged/ the Looker slot, but I don't think the intent of this question is to help Ame sort Chara here, I feel like it serves more of a purpose of making Chara here expound on their Looker soft town read, and therefore, making them feel better about the slot. But these questions themselves don't really help Ame sort anything here. I feel like she could've seen what Chara meant by reading back and then agreeing / disagreeing, whereas, this is just asking Chara to point out the obvious. If it wasn't obvious, I feel as though it would've prompted Ame to disagree with Chara here and use it as an opportunity to sort them.

So, keep this in mind, and see how the read is progressing, and the next time Ame ever mentions Looker in their iso :

Why are Looker and ELA cleared?

Looker actually is a viable option. I'll change my back up to her. She can only be scum with you or Egix though, so the best play is all to lynch you vig Egix.

Insomnia led the lynch on Aaron. EV threw shade at a concensus town read for voting Aaron and so is pseudo confirmed to me.

Really, if you ctrl + f "Looker" in Ame's ISO, this is the only post where she gives an actual stance on him. And it's already pre-planning a bus, even though there was no previous consideration. Seems weird. Keep in mind, this is also before OS outed the mechanical aspect of the read. So this read really came out of thin air.

[insomnia]

I'd just lynch Looker here based on him being scum independently, but if he actually were to flip scum, then that would look really bad for Ame, and I'm confident in calling a vig shot on Ame if Looker will get lynched and flip red. (Which I, by the way, advocate for )

[insomnia]

Making the case isn't scummy, having the confidence you have on it I think was what he was trying to point out was scummy. If you believe you're rarely right on something, why would you display such confidence?

When I'm investigating someone or making a case, I pursue it in full even if I don't feel confident behind the scenes. This helps me to get better reads on the player and those around them. Often times I'll start town reading someone almost immediately into my questioning, but maintain the poker face so I can continue to get authentic reads off them (such was the case with my Luca questioning who came off as town to me pretty much right away, and my Chara push who I was leaning town on pretty much after your back and forth. In cases like these I'm looking to confirm my stance and clear up any discrepancies). There are also times when I speak matter of factly as a rhetorical technique to help get my point across (such was the case when I gave you my perspective on Egixs profii read). Generally though I'm never fully confident in my reads and always reevaluate behind the scene.

Regarding the JTB-Egix case, however, I genuinely was just confident haha. But it wasn't my intention to make people think I was right? I wanted to know what people thought.

When I'm SURE sure on something I'll make it explicit with key words such as "confident," "confirmed," and "locked."

You said "Good game!"

[insomnia]

I honestly will be sitting on an Ame - Looker solve until someone comes with something more relevant, and will probably focus my attention on solidifying my town reads so that I make sure this is the actual solve.

[insomnia]

I thought the game was in the bag!

[insomnia]

3) throws random shade at EV, when Looker has been as much a bystander this game.

Also this, I forgot to mention it. Nice call out.

[insomnia]

Wimpy you're being massively anti-town. Please comment on the subject of Looker / Ame and stop unhealthy tunnels, the crow is spewed and the epitome of towniness.

[insomnia]

I am not that confident on profii, but I am more confident in Looker being scum here.

Help me with looker - I have just been in a couple of games with him rolling scum so far I'm a bit biased by his activity levels but I'm trying to ignore that and say that's just what you get from him

I posted a big case that goes into some of the posts, also, Luca made a good point about the comment on EVL.

I just thought his whole wall when he voted Aaron was really bad, can't quite put my finger on it though. But if you want some concrete stuff, I went over it in my wall.

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Wimpy you're being massively anti-town. Please comment on the subject of Looker / Ame and stop unhealthy tunnels, the crow is spewed and the epitome of towniness.

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That's fine, but try and focus on what other people think as well. Your tunnel here is being ignored because nobody is considering Macabre right now. He could be scum, you could be right, but right now, you don't have any case on him and have sat on him since day one.

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I only asked for your attention to be spread, rather than narrowed for the rest of the game on a potential town. I have asked one question, didn't ask you to change your read, simply asked to state your opinion.

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That’s still good, I appreciate your analysis.

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I actually think profii is town but I’m not really gonna fight against his lynch tbh

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I am death immune, come at me